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HellVictorinho4:
What not who?

Your question, as in, what you may want to know, might be "who", hell, but my question is what.

You don't define my question for me, and neither are you under any obligation to answer it if you don't want to or can't. Not that I asked you, mind.

He wrote a book. Anyone read it?

Now, if only this law could apply to Nigerians in Nigeria and about any country.

https://www.nairaland.com/7057980/adeyinka-grandson-jailed-4.5-years

rottennaija:
Lol... I'll have to confirm this news from other sources. But in any case, it is too late. Trust is lost on the dollar. Any country or business that is smart will have to diversity and runaway from the dollar as far as possible.

Everyone is quick to believe this without wondering how USA would pay Russia for fertilisers and how buyers would collect it or what sanctions would mean to other countries that sell what they want.

If USA can buy Russia fertiliser, Germany can buy Russia gas and I can finally buy that blue eyed blond hair Russian dude I saw advertised on Russiadudes, and then, sanction who, exactly?

AlphaTaikun:
@Budaatum,
Yorubas never at anytime in history practiced this kind of intra-ethnic caste system stigmatisation.

I never said we Yorubas "practiced this kind of intra-ethnic caste system stigmatisation". But when I, the Child of the Oba of Orun, walked by, the children of this earth are stigmatised because they all know their place is on earth.

We have a different sort of system to classify ourselves, is my point, though one can rise and fall within it. Slaves, after all could become king in Yoruba land.

Oh, and my Yoruba great great paternal grandmother was a slave from a neighbouring Yoruba town.

Here's Iliad. Set just before Odyseus.
http://classics.mit.edu/Homer/iliad.html

sonmvayina:
Ok bro...

I don't know where I would find a complete copy.

I have seen the movie sha

There's a movie? Of course there would be! Must watch it someday.

http://classics.mit.edu/Homer/odyssey.html

HellVictorinho4:
Let there be ways in which you get hugely attacked by kidnappers ,armed robbers and scammers.

I'm far too smart to place myself at your mercy, as you well know.

LordReed:
My dear buda with all my heart I hope this is the case.

Forgive me for saying this, my Lord, but hope is another one of those magical jujuical wishing and a prayer manna from heaven that we've always done and that keeps giving us the result we have that we are here describing as hell.

No nation built itself on hope, my Lord. They said, "Let there be", then they got off their asses and made it be and it was.

We too will learn how, someday. When is what bothers me, and how bad we let ourselves get before we decide to learn.

KnownUnknown:
Of course it was written by people. Who else writes books? Lol. You love to beat around the bush.

Anyway, what does it represent?

It does not represent anything to me unknown, but it is an attempt of the writers to control women.

What does it represent to you please?

KnownUnknown:
Maybe you should go read about the profane reality that the sacred nonsense is built upon then you’d stop thinking you understand things you obviously don’t.

Care to recommend any please?

KnownUnknown:
The Gods, they say, are figments of your imagination.
So the Gods can be all wise, all knowing, and all superduperrfragillisticallidocious.

Same with the Sdogs who created the multiverse.

I so miss muttley. He at least tried.

https://www.nairaland.com/2045070/thoughts-questions-religion/78#72868845

LordReed:
My dear buda we already living in hell. I've been on that Kaduna train 4 times thinking myself safe from harassment and kidnapping but look at what happened to those other fellows, is this not hell my dear buda?

No, my Lord, this is not yet hell. Every single indicator is yelling it is going to get a whole lot worse, than hell, before we realise this ain't working and decide to change our ignorant believing ways.

Every nation that was at our current developmental stage faced it's shock before it changed and so might we. Drastically, unfortunately. And painfully.

KnownUnknown:
Let’s try this.
What does Genesis 3:15 represent?

"Represent" is a weired word, known. Please let me first tell you what it is, see if we agree, before it is re-presented by either of us.

Genesis 3:15, is a section in a book written by some people that reads as follows:

And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”

basilico:
I'm done watching. These Biden guys are corrupt .
They have emasculated simpletons so much they get away with everything,
I grew up in the nineties. Media was honest. Today media are just lying scumbags.
I feel this way because I have children whom media will lie to them, I love my children, They still young but I hope they will ignore the media and think independently. One day.
What else does a man want?

People who grew up in the 60s are telling you media was not honest in the 60s, but you just go on deluding yourself, bas.

KnownUnknown:
If you’ve found the ideas the mystical is built upon, why would you waste time reading the musings of some “ancient order” of nonsense?

KnownUnknown, don't you think you should have considered your time before wasting it in this waste of your time thread?

Do you seriously think one who "found the ideas the mystical is built upon" wouldn't be much wiser than you are being and at least not guffaw at a book they never read and only saw the cover of?

A001:
He's just delusional. How does Nigeria fares where the majority of the citizens are religious compared with the countries topping the chart where there are many atheists and irreligious citizens?

The limiting effects of religion and belief in God, supernatural things, and prayers are glaring in Nigeria being a failed state.

That, is the single thing destroying Nigeria. Those who believe think they know so do not bother to ask and knock and seek with their own senses. Instead, they believe what they are told, and the bad believing shows that we haven't yet understood the "religion" not to talk of try it out.

I mean, how can anyone believe they would die if they ate the fruits of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil when Adam and Eve surely did not die when they ate, but their eye's opened, they gained wisdom, they freed themselves from slavery in Eden and became self employed and lived for 930 years and then died? Yet, some do believe such things and say "skool na scam"!

One day we'd understand even the psychology of that which we read and the psychology of we the reader, then shall our eyes open to understand that beliefs must be examined and tested so we may know.

And to be honest, it's why I rejoice. For at least 2% of the 2% are here, asking, knocking, seeking, critically analysing just about every post so we may learn and grow.

The Gods, they say, are wise and all knowing.

LordReed:
LoLz. Saving us from what? There is hunger in the land and people are killing their fellows just for a bit of bread and you say we are safe, are you dreaming or what?

CanadaOrBust is saying, without the fear of hell we Nigerians would be more hungry and kill more fellows for bread which would have been a lot more unsafe.

My Lord, are we not safer for having read books than we would have been if we hadn't?

KnownUnknown:
You know, that’s just your opinion man!

Lol, known. Your's was just your opinion too, or wasn't it? Am I wrong in doing to you as you did to me?

Any way, let's get back to what we can objectively critique, shall we?

KnownUnknown:
I can tell from our interactions and your posts. I will always find the mystical absurd and often time hilarious and it’s apparent that’s not your view. e.g. The picture at the beginning of the book in the op and the “great white brotherhood” are enough for eye rolling and laughter.

If you know the layout and nature of the desert, you can quickly discount the mirages. I have a cogent hold on the nature of the desert so the mirages can only be amusing as others gawk at them.

Europeans claiming “ancient” mystical knowledge are as trustworthy as the Babalawos that have refused to collect that young man’s N2.5 million.

The supernatural is inherently nonsense so I don’t have to read the Book of Mormon to discount everything a Mormon believes or laugh at their special underwear or their “white and delightsome” god that made melanin rich skin a “curse”. Reading about Joseph Smith and his golden plates is enough to cause a guffaw. Apply same to the Rosicrucians and whatever nonsense they claim.

In Buddhism, it is said that the person at the bottom of the mountain can not see what the person at the top sees,

I think we must be done here, for I see no point in giving countenance or time to those who think reading "the picture at the beginning of the book" is enough for them to claim they know what is obviously unknown to them.

I do not expect you to comprehend the significance of the below and have not included it for your benefit, so just do not read it if you wouldn't please. As for my current reading, here, with no mirages on the cover to mystify you.

KnownUnknown:
I can tell from our interactions and your posts.

Known, you have not shown an understanding of any of my posts, so whatever you claim to be able to tell is false. Its why I engage with you too. So that you may know for yourself that which is currently unknown to you.

basilico:
Correct The media is one giant lying machine. I am tired of media I watch documentaries instead. when I watch MSM I usually do it knowing they are lying

This never used to happen.My opionion. . Obama is the source of this media lying machine. Nobody wanted to disagree with him because that would be racist ,
I think Obama has destroyed the world. Say anything against him and twitter/FB/IG will kick your ass out of their platform.

This pretty much sums up my issue with you. Your lack of knowing, is what I call it. But then, what should one expect from the television documentary generation like yours with your aversion to books.

I mentioned Chomsky some time ago, old before you were born, ranting like a mad man that the media is all lies, but of course you never read him.

We read media disinformation in the Bible too, or what do you think the woman who produced life from between her legs would say about the misinformation that describes her as a rib?

Is the fact that Adam and Eve were misinformed they would die if they ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil not evidence enough that the fact that you "think Obama has destroyed the world" shows you don't really think at all, bas?

KnownUnknown:
We obviously don’t have the same sense of humor if you can’t find the absurdity in “ancient Rosicrucian order”.

How can you tell if you don't share with me 'the absurdity in “ancient Rosicrucian order"' you found?

KnownUnknown:
Lmao. Nice straw man here. Take two words out of the sentence just a to write some unfounded remark.


I didn’t encourage or discourage anyone. All I did was guffaw at ancient Rosicrucian order because I’ve read enough to find it funny.

**now take “read enough” out of context to make another silly remark.

Have you read any of the books in this thread, Unknown.

Can you kindly refer me to one single book out of all those you read about ancient Rosicrucian order that you found funny so I may read and guffaw at it too please?

HappyPagan:
To the average Nigerian Christian,
- the reason for Christmas
- born of a virgin to save man from sin
- just believe, that's it.. free entry to God's right hand side.
Christ is all you need in this world.

I did not ask an "average Nigerian Christian", happy, I asked you, and any one else willing to tell me their own thoughts instead of what some "average Nigerian Christian" has to say as if you've been appointed spokesperson for the "average Nigerian Christian" (says very irritated and annoyed buda at the fact that some can't speak for themselves!).

budaatum:
What is Christ?

HappyPagan:
There's nothing Christ can free you from...

What is Christ?

HappyPagan:
Now, I don't know who Christ is and I don't really care. I think an African should be sourcing his values from better men, but to each his own.
There's nothing beautiful about the story of Christ.. just an ugly story of an unforgiving father and an unfortunate son.

A list would be handy please, so 'we are', instead of the magical jujuical wishing and a prayer manna from heaven "should be".

"About the story of Christ", surely there's a lot more to it than just that! Like, "why and how not to die for a cause", no?

GANDALF1:
The Nigerian leaders always know the right thing to do in other to move the country forward, but they will never do it because they will lose the gains of the rot they are presently enjoying.

Tell me why a bank will have to submit its result to CBN for vetting and approval, before its release to the public?

Also, why must company results be submitted to SEC for publishing on its disclosures website?

If you think the banks are flouting rules in their financial reporting, why not set up hefty fines and sanctions, and punish them when they are found guilty of manipulating results?

The reason is simple!

CBN wants their cut from the largesse. SEC also wants their cut too

Now, a bank sends in results. CBN staff "vets" it and sees the result before everyone, and then if the result is fantastic what happens? The staff gets some for their self, informs friendly colleagues in other departments to do same, notifies their family members to do same, church or mosque members, et al.

And when they get their fill, they forward same result to SEC to repeat the same process, before the result is published on the disclosures website.
Effect: Huge short-term trades before and after the release of results that profits individuals who never invested in the company whereas there are people who invested their money in the companies for long term and whose value is being depreciated.

How it should be:
First, companies should have a direct access to the NGX disclosures website and should upload disclosures directly from their investor relations or corporate office. No other eye should see disclosures before the public apart from the directors of the company, who also should be monitored for insider trades from time to time.

Finally, banks should upload their disclosures and results directly to the NGX disclosures site after audit or release. CBN should investigate and vet the results after release for discrepancies. If any discrepancy is found, then the bank should be fined heavily and the directors sanctioned appropriately.

BUT... will this be implemented? Oga at the top no go gree because money go commot from him table

Bad condition!!!

They can't buy or sell without it showing, so is (or will someday be) a scalping opportunity for smart organised investor action.

KnownUnknown:
It will be like planting a seed that will turn into a tree with shade you will never sit under. That’s the aim because the present and near future are lost.

Some farmers plant maize and reap a crop in three months. Some farmers plant yam and reap in 9, while some wait for three years before harvesting their yam, though not now with thieves and all. Some farmers plant cocoa and wait 5-12 years for a crop, while some plant olives that they know will never produce fruit in their lifetime.

If we do not plant seeds now and instead keep relying on the uncritical magical JuJu thinking of "suppose", or are discouraged because of the likely unfortunacy of us never sitting in the shade of the tree we plant, it will only keep getting hotter and there will still not be a tree to provide shade for the future.

And that's why you are here, Unknown. You are sowing the seeds of a tree to provide the shade in the future.

KnownUnknown:
So, because the lingua franca is English and I communicate in English means they was no exploitation of the colonies by the British? The basic education they gave to the colonies is beyond criticism because of iPhones and cars?
I’m supposed to venerate the English/church of England like you do just because of the English language. I wonder how people got educated before your almighty English.

Venerate, you say? Well, Known, just listen to us. We speak in that language, and communicate in that language, so don't you think we kind of worship that language too? Or perhaps we got that thing from Stockholm that makes one cling to one's exploiter?

I'm not going to argue with you how people got educated before the English you and I were educated in and don't seem likely to ever want to abandon for any other language, but I feel you'd agree that a lot more information for us to learn about and from has flowed to us in that almighty language than any other language, and we'd be a bit dumber otherwise. Compare English learning Nigeria to Arabic learning Nigeria please before you argue otherwise.

KnownUnknown:
Of course it was easy for them to believe when the faith came with violence. But how would you educate yourselves when the nonsense is pervasive and venerated from the earliest age? How would their descendants abandon white juju when they have placed the “English” on a pedestal?

So, your argument is, we were forced from an early age and we can not abandon it because "they have placed the “English” on a pedestal"?

So, us nko? Can we too now not abandon whatever we need to abandon, or are we too forcing ourselves to accept it with violence?

I must declare myself fortunate here I guess. The first gods I learnt about were straight out of Homer and no one was required to believe it since critical thinking was in the baby milk like fortified vitamins. Just saying.

KnownUnknown:
Maybe in your mind it’s taught to motivate to not believing, whatever than means, but in reality it’s taught as the precursor of a another tale and the reason for certain unavoidable things.

To wit, Paul might have written, 'when I was a child, I was taught as a child to think like a child and be dumb as a child, then I grew up and started teaching myself to learn to use my own mind', but of course he never.

I am not taught, unknown. I learn. And to critically reason and think, I'd say. And the funniest thing is independent unbrainwashed use your own mind people like me is what your posts promote, as opposed to merely believing what one reads.

You believe it's taught as what you see it being taught around you, which I agree is mostly, on the day you eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall surely die. Over in UK where it came from they learn that the fruits of trees of knowledge are desirable for food, good for gaining wisdom and for opening eyes and elongating life. It's why critical thinking is on their primary school curriculum and religion itself is taught in cultural studies. They don't "suppose" there might be light. They learn to put the light on, as they have learnt from the "tale" as we too must one day learn instead of merely ignorantly believing.