₦airaland Forum

DissTroy:
He was referring to Baba60+.

And, no, all the times I have ever intimidated people on Nairaland, they've always been the first to needlessly and constantly go out of their way to antagonise me. Typically, I'd warn them twice to be civil then go all out on you if they persist.

I'd debate when I want to but if you want to personalise it, I'm good. Let's give Nairaland one more show since 2018.

I warned Baba60+ twice. In September and May. There's no going back now. I already promised him and nothing would change that. It's a countdown from here on.

He should have referred to you if he were honest because almost all your posts are threatening and and attempt to intimidate while all of those of the person you call Baba60+ are not even worth reading, and both of you are juvenile.

khia:
But Nigerians are doing it globally.

I think mobilising an army to go attack other nations is much more global than Nigeria can imagine.

DissTroy:
You should have known better than you engage your overlord when you quoted me out of the blues yesterday. Or the day before. Or the day before that.

Was Benalvino2 talking about you when he mentioned "intimidation"? Because you sure do try to intimidate quite a lot.

PrideofLincoln1:
I know his band of brothers are laughing at him for exhibiting his lunacy in public glare.

Just so you know, I'm shaking my head more at you.

Goodvibes007:
This guy has the mental capacity of a toddler Lol.

Personally, and not that my opinion matters, mind, but I think its you and Pride who are the toddlers for engaging him so much. If you were mature it would show in how you don't join pigs in mud!

BassReeves:
Why dont you get hold of Antiquities of the Jews, Volume Three, Book 18 (i.e. Sedition of the Jews against Pontius Pilate. Concerning Christ. And what befel Paulina, and the Jews at Rome) then go to Chapter 3, to read the above and judge on its merits

Do you recall our conversation about the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and how I said Eve used her senses to ask and knock and seek? It is precisely for this reason that I can appreciate atheism, because of its anti-belief stance which makes one seek. Or can you not see that atheists spend a lot of time and effort seeking God even though they don't know or won't admit that's what they do. Part of that asking and knocking and seeking requires them to seek evidence for God, and for Christ, for which Josephus is required reading.

I'm saying, after reading Josephus like 25 years ago, and investigating critique of his writings, and reading various other writings about Christ, I have found it to be inconclusive as to whether Christ is real or not, but as I've said, that is irrelevant to me, after all, its not as if I have evidence for God either, and I certainly have not seen the Holy Spirit.

Thankfully, Christ is written to have given me a neat cope out with his "inasmuch as I do for those I see before me". And if I don't do for those before me and just yell Lord Lord, I am but a "resounding gong or a clanging cymbal", and I will incur a huge dentist bill from gnashing my teeth.

BassReeves:
The only way you are able to relate with God physically, meaning with you physical five basic senses is, by proxy Jesus Christ.

My way of relating with my God is by relating with you. It is the lesson of my favourite Parable of the Orangutan that Christ said I should go and emulate, and not the Priest and the Levite who sinned precisely because of their belief in God. And thankfully, some of my fruits are recorded here so I can see when I fail and correct my ways.

I don't worship God, Bass. I worship you my fellow human beings as proxy, using what is written about God to teach me how. It's why I abhor beliefs and appreciate understanding instead. You'd find on here that believers tend to not love those who differ to them and whom they see as their enemies, and most would definitely not turn the other cheek once not to talk of have hope and love and faith in or for their fellow human beings. If they did, the lamb and the lion would coexist, and the theist would love or at least have compassion for the atheist instead of constantly attacking each other.

Christians need to realise what it means to be the salt of the earth and not lose their saltiness, is what I think.

FOLYKAZE:
Excerpt from my source http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-20.html is cited here https://www.nairaland.com/6674257/anyone-give-evidence-jesus-ever/3#104264217

Stop been dishonest Darling Buda

Your source does not say the "brother of Jesus who was called Christ, whose name was James" is the same "Jesus, the son of Damneus High Priest".

You yourself said:

FOLYKAZE:
How could Jesus Damneus of 62AD be the same person as Jesus of Nazareth of 33AD?

But I guess since you don't even read your own sources, so one shouldn't really bother asking you!

FOLYKAZE:
I haven't read the book though but I have it in my archive.

FOLYKAZE:
Your primary question here is was 'James the Just' a fictional character too?

And my response here below:

I answered James the Just isn't a fictional character, and that his alleged brother is Jesus Ben Damneus; not Jesus Christ.

The Wikipedia link is to inform you Jesus Ben Damneus was a high priest in the second temple 62AD. Who ever edited the page to mean James brother of Jesus of Nazareth should answer you.

Don't you think you should have read it before presenting it as evidence?

22jumpstreet:
This shows you are far from nature...and by extension "God"

If you say so 22. Could you tell me how far once you've measured please. It would be interesting to know.

BassReeves:
The lack of historical evidence does not mean Jesus Christ, at the time, didn’t exist. Aside from the biblical account of the existence of Jesus Christ, non-biblical accounts of Jesus' existence is provided by Josephus.

Unfortunately Josephus as evidence for Christ has been subject to additions by early Christians which makes his works not accepted as evidence for Christ, as folykaze has pointed out. But as I said, historical evidence for Christ is irrelevant to me as I do like what he is written to teach, as you've presented below. In Spirit is Christ relevant to me, and not physically.

BassReeves:
Its fascinating that three things swirling and screaming in your ' ... in all my own investigations I can't say I've found historical evidence for or against the existence of a Jesus Christ' submission above are Faith, Hope and Love. Funny thing is, inasmuch as faith, hope and love lasts forever, the greatest of them three, is Love.

I'd go further and state you can testify to my faith in my fellow human being, my hope in them, and my love too, for, inasmuch as I do for you whom I see, a God I see not and have no historical evidence for should be pleased. Not that I do it to please God, mind.

BassReeves:
It is required of all human beings to, love God, love him/herself and love another human being aka the next person (i.e. neighbour)

I wish it was required because the world would be a better place. Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on one's bent, we do have a choice in the matter as we see here.

22jumpstreet:
Only an enemy will tell you to love your enemies...

Person wey want make you quick die....
Go on, embrace your enemies.
If you be US president you for don dey lick Russia and China ass...abi?

Love your enemies means embrace or lick ass to you?

No wonder you think you'd "quick die".

22jumpstreet:
Only an enemy will tell you to love your enemies...

Person wey want make you quick die....
Go on, embrace your enemies.
If you be US president you for don dey lick Russia and China ass...abi?

Love your enemies means embrace or lick ass to you?

No wonder you think it means "quick die".

BassReeves:
He wants to have his cake and eat it. Tantrums, however fun they maybe to throw, rarely solves any part in the ongoing discussion

Tantrums just show one's position is lame, and are an attempt to intimidate. He should however know buda is not so easily intimidated.

Funny thing is, in all my own investigations I can't say I've found historical evidence for or against the existence of a Jesus Christ, but that's hardly relevant to me since his purported teachings would stand even if he were ficticious. It is after all beneficial to love one's neighbours and enemies even moreso. If we Nigerians in the South love our neighbours in the North, for instance, instead of seeing them as our enemies, we'd be up there fighting to free them from oppression instead of crying about it after its now come south.

Nigerian federation 'bears responsibility' for ineligible athletes
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/africa/58010359

FOLYKAZE:
Stop been dishonest Dear
https://www.nairaland.com/6674257/anyone-give-evidence-jesus-ever/3#104264217

Here is you re-presenting it, in case you've confused yourself.

BassReeves:
Not so fast, you brought up that link after budaatum challenged you to: Anyway, please provide a reference for "James the Just was the brother of Jesus ben Damneus". It would be interesting to see.

Why bother using and bringing up the link, if you're of the mind its discredited as forgery. Doing so, reeks of dishonesty.

You wouldn't believe I had to go check this before my response above! Glad you noticed too.

FOLYKAZE:
As you can see, I had no interest in citing the passage because it has been discredited as forgery. Jesus who was called Christ is an obvious interpolation. Same as the garbage you cited.

That "garbage" that you admit is discredited is from links you posted in support of your own claims! If you know it's discredited, why repeatedly ask me to go read it when I ask for evidence of your claim?

FOLYKAZE:
Come up with authentic and unaltered citation.

"Come up with authentic and unaltered citation" for what, exactly?

BassReeves:

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Its OK for you to reference: http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-20.html as a source, but it isnt OK for me to use http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-18.html from a same source you used, as my reference. Hmm?

What and where is the forgery? What and where is the interpolation? It would be interesting to see what you in your wisdom voice as '... interpolation and forgery as evidence' sic

I can't say he knows what he's saying by presenting as evidence a text he admits is discredited!

FOLYKAZE:
I mentioned that already. And the whole Testimonium Flavianum is wholly forgery or partially an interpolation. Na Eusebius get that wahala

FOLYKAZE:
I am disappointed in you Budda. You have a lot to read please.

Take sometimes off here
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-20.html

An excerpt from that page

Keynotes, Festus there was the procurator who interviewed Paul, second year after he was imprisoned by Felix. How could Jesus Damneus of 62AD be the same person as Jesus of Nazareth of 33AD?

You have anlot to answer sis!

FOLYKAZE:
Where you take see Nazareth?

Read again https://www.nairaland.com/6674257/anyone-give-evidence-jesus-ever/3#104264217

Abeg park well

Did you not bother to read your own source?

FOLYKAZE:
Historically, James existed and his brother who was elected as high priest is Jesus Damneus, not Jesus christ.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_son_of_Damneus

FOLYKAZE:
Stop been dishonest Dear
https://www.nairaland.com/6674257/anyone-give-evidence-jesus-ever/3#104264217

Don't dear me! I am not your dear!

You claimed James the Just, the brother of Jesus ben Damneus. Yet, the text you presented as evidence describes James the Just as the brother of Jesus of Nazareth, and you admit that Jesus of Nazareth of 34AD could not possibly be Jesus ben Damneus who made it into priesthood in 62AD.

Now, it's possible James the Just had more than one brother named Jesus, so just provide a simple reference so we know!

FOLYKAZE:
Do yourself some good and read

Lol!

FOLYKAZE:
How many times do you want me to cite the passage? I no get that time madame

You never cited the passage! What you did do was throw an entire book at me and expect me to wade through it to find evidence for your claim!

FOLYKAZE:
Question again;
Can you cite the passage where Josephus mentioned Jesus, ...

Really! So you don't want a whole book thrown at you like you have done above, lol.

Like I said, you funny.

FOLYKAZE:
His adopted name is Titus Flavius. He was romanized.

Seems you know nothing about the dude.

His name may be Romanized but he was still a Jew! Just like I my Englishsise my name and remain Nigerian!

"Titus Flavius Josephus, born Yosef ben Matityahu, was a first-century Romano-Jewish historian".

FOLYKAZE:
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-20.html

So, you want me to go through an entire book to find a reference for your claim that "James the Just was the brother of Jesus ben Damneus", and despite the fact that your source clearly distinguishes "the brother of Jesus who was called Christ, whose name was James", from "Jesus, the son of Damneus the High Priest"?

It is what is done by those who have no evidence for their claims, I've found!

benalvino3:
Also, budaatum opinions can be evidence based.

This is a case that is before the jury, and not a case before buzzfeed. And statements are not evidence!

benalvino3:
Lmao.

Okay, have you seen the evidence? Are you following the case? If you haven't why are you flat out against one of the leftwing propaganda outlet you always align with?

Have you seen the evidence? Is buzzfeed not just stating what an accused claimed in defence? Yet, here you are presenting it as if the person's contract and paycheck from the FBI was presented in court as evidence.

Sorry, but I can't be lazy like that, as you should know by now.

FOLYKAZE:
John Pointer is a christian theologian. What do you expected him to say?


Read the full passage yourself.

Might one not as well say Josephus was a Jew, and thereby discount whatever he wrote about Christ?

Anyway, please provide a reference for "James the Just was the brother of Jesus ben Damneus". It would be interesting to see.

Pelecius:
Jesus would likely be called hybrid of God and man (since he added humanity to himself) just as I gave a hybrid car analogy the other time.

One of the characteristic of a combustion engine car is that it uses fuel. This does not change even if an electric source is added to it. The engine wasn't COMPLETELY replaced by electric source.

A hybrid is a change. And you'd need to change quite a lot for the type of fuel a car uses to change, or you might be filling a Tesla with petrol.

FOLYKAZE:
Ananus killed James the Just, the brother of Jesus ben Damneus.

Oh! So James the Just was the brother of Jesus ben Damneus.

You'd need to provide a source for this please. Its interesting at best. While I wait. Here again is from your own wiki source.

The works of Josephus refer to at least twenty different people with the name Jesus, and in chapter 9 of Book 20, and scholars agree that Jesus the son of Damneus is distinct from the reference to "Jesus called Christ", who is mentioned along with the identification of James. John Painter states that phrase "who was called Christ" is used by Josephus in this passage "by way of distinguishing him from others of the same name such as the high priest Jesus son of Damneus, or Jesus son of Gamaliel" both having been mentioned by Josephus in this context.

As in, Jesus was a rather popular name and there were many Jesuses.

Thanks for pointing it out. Pity Folykaze does not see this as buttering his position somewhat.

BassReeves:
FWIW, a full list of all the Jesuses in Josephus would include the following:

War (18)
2:566 Jesus, son of Sapphias – Governor of Tiberias.
2:599 Jesus, son of Sapphias – Governor of Tiberias.

FOLYKAZE:
Keynotes, Festus there was the procurator who interviewed Paul, second year after he was imprisoned by Felix. How could Jesus Damneus of 62AD be the same person as Jesus of Nazareth of 33AD?

You have anlot to answer sis!

Oh good! So Jesus Damneus of 62AD is not the same person as Jesus of Nazareth of 33AD.

Could you kindly tell me who the brother of James the Just was?

Meanwhile, note that I did not provide Josephus as evidence for Jesus Christ.

FOLYKAZE:
I am disappointed in you Budda. You have a lot to read please.

Take sometimes off here
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-20.html

I'm glad you are disappointed, though your thoughts of me are rather inconsequential. I've refered to your own evidence provided above and asked you a simple question, but see as you "You went and copy gibberish content off the internet like you are discussing with some kids". Or do you think pointing me to stuff is any different to copying and pasting it here?

My question was one of simple understanding of a short text from what you provided, and if we can not settle simple things in one single paragraph, I do not really see the worth of me engaging in the contents of an entire book with you!

So, I ask again. From what you posted, is Jesus ben Damneus the same person as the brother of James whom Ananus he replaced was written to have executed?