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felixomor:
Forget ICD 10
That was a lie you told, black and white.

As for the bolded above,
What i mean is that
You said when multiple journals are involved, it is most likely truth.
And then I said even multiple journals can conspire to tell a lie in science.

Thats what I meant

spacetacular:
God of the gaps or whatever you call it isn't my point. I am talking medicine and not Religion. Absolutely nobody can offer a leaning conclusion to an unknown matter. This shows that for such even an observation is lacking. So no observation, no conclusion!

Can we stick to medicine sir?

spacetacular:
You say your science is based on evidence yet you disregard myself who has on the job daily experiences as evidence? You are another dishonest fellow sir.

Your idea of science isn't based on personal evidence but literature on the purported evidence given by others. The only time you gave an evidence was when you said you have also through probable CPR brought a dead person back but even those are just words with nothing to prove your claim.

Even if I chose to go with your claim can you explain the process that took place which brought about the death and revival of that person and who certified the person dead.

felixomor:
I thought u earlier said there is no dishonesty when different journals are involved?
You are removing your own footing by yourself
In other words all u have been saying could be wrong.

Thats minus the lies u told at the beginning.

spacetacular:
Your statement here is not an answer sir. I asked how you could be emphatic with an answer when you even termed your observation as unknown.

You cannot offer a leaning conclusion on an issue that is inconclusive and unknown by and to everyone. That's gross dishonesty in observation sir.

felixomor:
There are many dishonest conspiracies that have occurred in the past in science.
Sometimes, it took decades before they were exposed.

You are just too shallow to know these.
because your science is dogma driven

felixomor:
For him, any "journal" is truth.
Yet he lampoons religious people for believing books.

felixomor:
Please who accepted ?

spacetacular:
So my opinion is irrelevant right? Ok then sir I suppose this article isn't from the same reputable medical journal you posted.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2322888/

You can start reading from postgraduate medical training to understand the dishonesty in trusting journals without verification.

Like I said at the start I have on the field experience and can tell you what works and what doesn't. I am not a paper pusher.

spacetacular:
Actually sustained apnea can cause neurological death from the 1 minute mark and not 5minutes.

Explain both clinical and brain death pls. I require both

spacetacular:
Are medical journals, medical observations, medical research or same writers of those journals not featured or mentioned on YouTube? YouTube is just for information spread through video and honestly speaking videos hardly lie unlike what is written in black and white by whoever at wherever. Videos offer you a practical visual aid and evidence while literature is purely fiction until proven.

spacetacular:
So apnea at death which deprives the brain of oxygen under anoxia and no cardiovascular activity isn't death?

Your brain is actually being kept alive by your lungs sir. You breathe in oxygen and your blood gets oxygenated and this is pumped by your heart to all parts of your body including your brain. Your brain cells are alive because of oxygenated blood it is being fed with. Take away the oxygen and your brain dies.

Can you explain what death truly is to me sir?

felixomor:
Neurologic sequelae was reported in 100 percent?

Stop being dishonest with yourself
Haba.
I even have youtube links of people who came back from the dead.
Wetin

onyenze123:
Out of Body? What is moving out of human body? Soul?

I have watched a documentary about a lady hit by a racing car in German. The lead doctor that handled her case is a staunch atheist. He was really shocked after the lady narrated how the operation procedure was carried out ( as if she looked directly from the roof top). Science will try it best to explain some things but let's not rule out the spiritual perspective

felixomor:
Mscheww
You are not serious.
Why do u think the mechanism of this topic is "poorly understood"?

spacetacular:
It's anoxia sir and not hypoxia. Total lack of oxygen supply is anoxia while extremely low supply of oxygen is hypoxia

felixomor:
Exactly mr man
Thats why this issue is a mystery

felixomor:
Yes of course like in any teaching hospital



A trained registrar of course
Whats your point?


Yes i think so.

Lets assume all the questions u asked are points worthy?
Do you know the number of hours it takes for brain cells to start dying without oxygen?

spacetacular:
I have my own personal day to day on the field experiences and would trust that better than anyone's imaginative musings. I have enough medical journals I have read and what you posted falls into the category of medical imagination . You see sir the body and every little part of it has been set to function in a specific way and when something breaks the norm which isn't medically possible nor medically understandable it falls into medical mystery and ones imaginative writing or assumptions cannot be taken as an authority and neither can it be applied on the field as a medical procedure.

spacetacular:
Since it's poorly known or unknown and an indescribable cardiovascular pathology why then do you speak about it authoritatively?

Have you witnessed deaths through head trauma or People being impaled? Have you brought any back to life spontaneously?

When the body shuts down and brain activity ceases is that death stage 5 or 1

felixomor:
Of course he was taken to hospital ER, after the accident
and even transferred to the teaching hospital mortuary after being pronounced dead.

They were 15 in the vehicle
Only 4 in total survived

spacetacular:
This your spontaneous return you mentioned can you tell me the procedure it has to pass through to occur or can you repeat the same process it needs to happen and get the same result always?

I am a medical personnel attached to emergency services and got attracted to your post naturally so at what point is a person declared truly dead?

spacetacular:
Halo sir you seem to be the only one who claims to know how icd10 works can you educate an ignorant lady like me pls. If you do not then as earlier observed your claims smell of rotten fish (pun intended oo)

CatfishBilly:
It is a place holder for all the unknown/poorly known and undescribable cardiovascular pathology

felixomor:
A classmate of mine died in an accident
His anterior skull was virtually open, with a deep laceration
He was pronounced dead and taken to mortuary.
After 12 hours he woke up in mortuary
The people that were praying in front of the mortuary ran for their lives when he came out.

They had to take him back to the theatre and start closing his head.
He is alive today with a big scar on his forehead.

There was no reversal done by medics
These are the types of events that bamboozles us

KingEbukasBlog:
Again ? Great job sir !

Half baked knowledge of what an atheist is arguing for ? Yes
Lies ? Yes
Vituperation when the ignorance and lies are exposed ? Yes
Blatantly pushing through despite being exposed as ignorant and deceitful ? Yes

onyenze123:
There is.

there are documented stories of people who are in the situation you describe being able to look down and see the doctors desperately trying to resuscitate them. How can you explain that?

felixomor:
Now get the truth into your system.
You are writing about a "poorly understood" phenomenon
And you are trying to use it to debunk what people regard as a miracle.
What is your aim?
To use your profession to bamboozle them?
That is not the essence of science, my brother.
WHo know why they have not classified it yet.


You are just as good as them on this issue
Because you cant explain the mechanism of how a dead person comes back to life.

Secondly, there are people who have suffered massive trauma and even gunshots who came back to life after pronounced dead

You seem to base your arguments on what u have seen only. Things are not done that way

felixomor:
I pity u
Be appealing to authority there
I have friends with names on these journals u just mentioned.
Be appealing to your Lies there.

felixomor:
I can sit on my laptop and write a journal bro
And form a disease that i think exists
And it will be published

But if it is not yet classified, it will remain my write up
If u had mentioned Lazarus syndrome in any of your exams in medical school,
Trust me, you wont graduate.

felixomor:
This thread is based on Wrong information
As shown above.

The Op claimed that Lazarus syndrome is an "accepted diagnosis" under International Classification and it is not.

It is an attempt to push his atheist dogma, with half baked knowledge at the expense of lay people.

TAKE NOTE.

felixomor:
You Lied Bro
Its not in ICD

This one is Black and White