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felixomor:
I can see u want to continue the gymnastics
U clearly dont know why i said u r ignorant
U thought doing a red herring of "2016 icd" will save u ba?
Even your link does not have "Lazarus syndrome"
Its a double cop out.

YOU LIED

It is a place holder for all the unknown/poorly known and undescribable cardiovascular pathology, as you can see, that heading is empty. Didn't they teach you guys how to read and understand​ ICD10 in school? Didn't you take a course in epidemiology and biostatistics?
Like I said, if you don't know, ask questions.
Next person.

felixomor:
LMAO
Please show some shame.
If you want to defend a lie, try not to mix it with ignorance.
Please, i beg u

It's obvious you're grasping at straws here.
Here is the link for Icd 10 2016 edition. http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd10/browse/2016/en
Here are other articles on the phenomenon
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20228683
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2121643/
If you you don't know, ask questions.

felixomor:
Guy, stop this silly behavior
I have a the pdf of the most recent ICD here
There is nothing like "Lazarus syndrome"
Its on Google
Here is a link
http://www.who.int/classifications/icd/ICD10Volume2_en_2010.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiDyoW1rfHTAhXCbBoKHXkOCk4QFggtMAE&usg=AFQjCNFV_goNOWkNtO23OOx-XpKbtPKSbg

I warned u but u wont listen
Your Lie has finally caught up with u.

Your mates have moved on to 2016 version you're still stuck in 2010? Smh.
Hint. It's on WHO website

felixomor:
Wait o
These things u just listed
Are they ICD 10 & 9? That u claimed?

Wait, o
Please am i talking to a doctor?

Oga, evidence of the lie naa. You talk too much.

onyenze123:
CatfishBilly

we also have the spiritual perspective

Oga, I respectfully disagree. There is no spiritual angle.

felixomor:
So you told a lie that Lazarus syndrome is in ICD just to promote your agenda? Chai

And hopefulLandlord being a layman was even following u to rejoice......

Well, its a typical day at the box office
Atheists hijacking science to promote atheism.

Sad
I need to open a thread on this.

Oga, you still haven't dropped evidence of the lie.
You asked for Icd 10, I went further and dropped New England Journal of Medicine, British Medical Journal, Royal Medical Journal and PubMed. You still haven't dropped this your lying evidence.

felixomor:
Its like I am about to Call out Somebody !!!
hehehehehe, Its like somebody has told a LIE


LMAO

Of course it is
I'm sure you've never heard of the journals I listed.
Next person.

felixomor:
Bro, there is nothing that pertains to human body that is not a "medical issue"
Do u know anything that is?

Even when doctors can't find any cause of something, they always have a name for it.

Now please tell me where in ICD 10 is your "Lazarus Syndrome"?
I am still waiting

It is classified under IX, I99, in some revisions, its classified under triple x.
Now visit BMJ, PubMed, NEJM, RMJ for further reads because this your position is ill informed or just come out and say it's spiritual. Are you scared?

felixomor:
Ah Good "Poorly Understood"
Yet you are using it to try to debunk something. Typical
At least Thank God u even admitted its poorly understood
On a normal day, u will have started gymnastics

Secondly, Please where in your ICD 10 is "Lazarus Syndrome"?
I can't seem to find it

I am waiting to hear please.

I just want your opinion, does the fact that it is poorly understood make it any less of a medical issue and more of a spiritual one? Answer this and maybe I'll consider your other question.

felixomor:
Please discuss the pathophysiology.....
I dey wait.

The pathophysiology is poorly understood.
Same with a host of medical problems, including nodding disease and the likes.
And your point is?
Please don't drop a god of the gaps argument or any other iteration of it.
(Since it's poorly understood therefore it's god)

felixomor:
This man,

You continue to fall my hand.
Can u please explain the pathophysiological mechanism of your so called "Lazarus syndrome"

You are now practicing wikipedia medicine ba?
Confusing Lay folks.

Mscheww

Lazarus Syndrome is an accepted diagnosis classified in International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (ICD) edition 9 and 10.
Now that I've cleared your doubts, address the OP.

Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective.


Every "Death" that I'm going to refer to in this thread was confirmed by medical/paramedical personnel, with cardiac monitors attached.


So, last week, a colleague posted a story of a surgery where in the course of the surgery, the person being operated on started deteriorating. As cardiopulmonary arrest was staring them in the face, CardioPulmonary Resuscitation (CPR) was started. During the course of the CPR, the person's heart and breathing stopped (died) evidenced by a flat line on the Heart/EKG monitor. Patient died (clinical death) on that table for all intents and purposes.
But, CPR was continued as it wore on, it was looking more and more likely that it was going to be in futility, when one of the Anesthesiologists in the room started praying, as he was praying, CPR was still ongoing, when the heart monitor suddenly started beeping. Heart beat and spontaneous breathing came back and the surgery was completed.
This colleague declared that episode a miracle, because of the prayer, but was it really a miracle?

Unfortunately, this colleague isn't conversant with the medical entity of Return of Spontaneous Circulation (ROSC) and Lazarus Syndrome.
What it means is that it has appeared in Medical literature about 40 times where the heart of a patient stopped (died) and it auto restarted again, with the longest episode taking up to a day.
But what all these cases have in common is that CPR was performed extensively on these people when after adjudged to be futile, was stopped and patients regained spontaneous CardioPulmonary function later.
Of course the role of prayer or any religious ritual at that wasn't brought in as a factor.

Of course, resuscitation is only performed on cases where it is plausible that the heart would restart. Cases where the patient died after being decapitated, disemboweled, dismembered or suffered severe trauma (being sawn completely into 2) rarely require resuscitation because the outcome is obvious, and I'm yet to see any religious person attempt to raise this particular group from the dead because they know that it's a lost cause.

So, our religious sphere is littered with stories of people raising people from the dead, now there are 2 plausible explanations.
1) The person in question didn't really die. The relatives just raised a false alarm. Because, there was no medical personnel around to actually confirm and certify the person dead.
I've witnessed cases where patient relatives raise alarm that a person is dead, but after examination, it is determined that the patient is unconscious albeit with poor vital signs.

2) The patient actually died, but after resuscitation attempts the person had ROSC/Lazarus Syndrome i.e. came back to life.

I'm yet to see any medical personnel resuscitate a patient who died from being decapitated, disemboweled, dismembered or suffered severe trauma (being sawn completely into 2).
If you have seen your Pastors/Imam/Prophet/Priest/Babalawo bring such people back to life, please let us know in the comments.

Intelligent debate and contributions also welcomed.
Source for further reading. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20228683
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2121643/
http://emj.bmj.com/content/18/1/74.full
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S037907380200107X
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0300957298001191
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_syndrome

enshy:
You need financial breakthrough?
Dont pray yet....Answer these questions:
Have you got a job?
Do you have a business? What do you do at moment?
Are you single or married?
How old are you?
You dont need prayers yet...Meditate! Meditate!! Meditate!!!
Dont ridicule God! He cant be mocked!!

Cop out.
Just come out and say it plainly that prayers don't work instead of these your rigmaroles.

donfeluche:
Well some person's problem are psychological, so I decided to give you a full dosage of Psychological Capsule, so that your remote views can get cleared, because, giving you an immediate drugs will increase your level of Ignoramus, tell me what concerns christianity with adultery, do you even reason at all

If you read what you just wrote and it made sense to you, then I totally understand why you resorted to ad hominems.

felixomor:
You, CatfishBilly, debunk?
Nah, crack another joke

Fear fear

felixomor:
LMAO
When u wake up, u may want to read this:

http://www.science20.com/writer_on_the_edge/blog/scientists_discover_that_atheists_might_not_exist_and_thats_not_a_joke-139982

Good nite

Should I debunk it?
You know as e dey be naa

donfeluche:
You need a little Fatherly care, is like you were raised by a Prostitute. I therefore, command BUHARI to cuddle you like a father so that your senses will come back

Ad hominems, what people of lower intelligence resort to when they can't counter a superior argument.

Christianity, a religion that came to be after a woman's attempt to cover up her infidelity went way the fuckkk out of hand

QuietHammer:
Proven by kingebukasblo.g? Lol. Please, let me sleep in peace this night. I may have time for this bullshii tomorrow

#Dead

bennyann:
Cat.fishBilly, please I hope we are good? Don't let ha.hn put asunder in our small friendship

Nope, I wasn't offended one bit.
We're good, fear not

Wow.
I wish could put down my thoughts like you.
Oya, Godly men of Nairaland and beyond. Y'all heard her.
Y'all should comman take over. Atheists can't handle this.

bennyann:
Look at you who couldn't say yours and you want me to spit out mine.

Hmmmm. Sincerely, I don't think I have the answers anymore because at a point, I think I felt confused.

I wanted a God fearing man, someone who loves God and i can see the passion burning in him. I think that was all I cared about.

I've learnt there should be something more. But I thought a God fearing man should know how to express love easily to anyone he's chosen. But I realized it isn't always so. The issue of ego comes into play like you have to be careful not to err a little because you're with God's anointed. When it happens then it means you're disrespectful not minding the source of the error. There's also the issue of who to approach first. They can spend time with you which can possibly chase away suitors and say nothing. If you're weak enough as a lady to take the first step, then it will be made to look as if you've destroyed your pride or thrown away your integrity.

But from most I've seen and heard around me, the issues are centered mostly on ego.

Those are some of the things I've noticed and I think it's an indicator whether one is the right partner for the other or not.
Then it dawned on me that if you're genuinely loved by someone, that alone can solve so many issues naturally without using much effort. So I can't say I don't want a Godly person because of those little issues that can cause a mighty storm. I realized I have to be loved first and then it should be mutual. You know, it shouldn't just be about giving love. You have to receive love also.

So the man must love me like no other, and I'll get to know that when little issues don't break us apart.

He must be a lover of God just like David and Joseph.

He must be presentable and also teach me to be presentable I mean to his taste

He must be a good listener since I spend time alone mostly, when I get very close to someone I tend to talk a lot and voice out my visions and aspirations. If I'm snubbed, I'll feel like

He must be in charge, responsible and also exercise his authority in a loving way though. I like to see a boss in him, a teacher, a leader, a mentor, a refuge and a comforter. I always want to look up to him for almost anything even if I will be the greatest supporter he's ever seen.

Whether he's a pastor or not, he must and it's a must he knows how to play football both on the field and with the computer I don't know much about football but I will like to stay around with him watching football or playing the game. I like sports, I just haven't put much attention for a while now. I will like someone who will take me back to that era.

I like my position as the weaker vessel and I just want it to be like that in a very virtuous way.

It seems I'm dreaming Who's going to be that macho man please wake me up

mayorall:
All goods shipped on Tuesday. 3 days ago Tuesday. Now ready for pick up. Thanks all for your business. God bless you for your continous patronage.

Address?

analice107:
Hmmm, It's been 7pages, and it's been about how sisters shd keep themselves to attrack a male, what about brothers?

Brothers just believe, since they are men, sisters are just roll over and say yes when the approach with their mouth odours, smelling armpits, and archaic, rumpled and oversized suits.

Shouldn't brothers try cleaning up, speak better English and have a hair every now and then?

Me, he has to intelligent o, clean with good carriage finesse.

He must not be a millionaire, but a provider at least.

Oya, bennyann, what are your own qualities that you look for in a godly man. Come talk your own.

Daviddson:
It's just like asking, "if someone slaps me, have I sinned?" The answer is no to a great extent... Wet dreams or/and nocturnal emissions are mostly caused by demonic influences. I mean Witches, wizards, demons, etc. You can only count it as being sin if you know your day time activities (watching x-rated movies, viewing near-porn pics, etc) caused it.

Wet dreams are normal biological and physiologic happenings. It has nothing to do with the supernatural or demons or whatever.
If you don't know, ask questions instead of just assuming.
This issue has been treated a zillion times here.

bennyann:
Hmmmm. Seems it's a general complaint - approachability

I don't like the comparing part either so I understand that part when it comes to men.

But what qualities do you expect from a woman of your choice?

You know some ladies are very approachable when it comes to friendship, they only become choosy when it's time to decide their future partners. And that's because they've already decided the kind of man they want.

I've learnt a lot from this thread. I wasn't expecting it at all and I'm sure I'm leaving here with what will save me from future troubles.

And thanks for being a part of it.

Approachable​ appearance should be the key.
Trust the interested male to do all the hard work as far as the lady is receptive.
As per the bolded. I can't answer. I don't know. That's a really tough question.

bennyann:
Hello Cat?

So what's your view about the future of Godly girls? What's the trend you've noticed about them?

This one that the Godly guys are not talking, I hope they're not guilty..

Hello Ann.
I think Godly girls put a lot of pressure on themselves by creating this perfect image/mirage and expect potential suitors to live up to that image. No man wants to enter a fight he knows he will lose when the girl starts comparing him to her "ridiculous" image of what a perfect spouse should be.
I think Godly girls should project this image that they are approachable and easygoing cos truth be told, the vibe that godly girls give off is "Don't approach me, you ain't holy enough".

enshy:
There is no challenge but ridicule!
You didnt even state your problems...Not all problems need prayers..
A simple advice, admonision, exhortation can change your long standing problems.
Please observe decorum while you seek help.
Our God cannot be challenged nor proven....He is Supreme!
So you need help? Tell us, we will help by Gods Grace!!

The bolded is the crux of our debates. If he is omnipotent, a little proof won't be out of the question.
He did it with Elijah against Baal, remember?
I put it to you that you'll get the same number of answered prayers in a controlled study where one group is praying to God and another group is praying to a door.

KingEbukasBlog:
.

Why are you editing your write up?
Seen how ridiculous it was?
Happy birthday, btw

KingEbukasBlog:
You must be very ignorant to make this idiotic comment :

Most theists asks atheists questions like "so you believe that the universe came from nothing?", well, the irony there is that 100% of the theists do not understand what Physicists mean by the word "nothing"

How many atheists have achieved anything in the field of science , how many of them have won Nobel Prizes in the field of science ? Its less than 10 percent the last time I checked and that's when they were combined with agnostics , deists and freethinkers . What gave you the audacity to disparage theists and make idiotic generalizations ? What nonsense !

You've now clearly turned it into a theist vs atheist that it is not.
Your bias didn't let you see this part of his quote where it is clearly stated.

While this post may appear to be directed towards theists(at least for now) most atheists are guilty of this and I shall explain and further prove my point.

Why the anger? Did an atheist bully you in school? Steal your lunch money? Steal your girlfriend?

Quack doctor !

Sure, you can repeat that as often as you like, it might make you sleep well at night, but it won't make you feel good about yourself and won't fill that hollow inside your skull that makes you call everyone better than you a Quack.

KingEbukasBlog:
You are nauseatingly ignorant . Atheists especially the Raelns also reject evolution and the Big Bang theory . The Big Bang Theory was first proposed by a theist , a Belgian priest in fact - Georges Lemaitre - and has been embraced by both theists and atheists . Anyone theists and atheists alike can reject both theories for whatever reason .

Shey you see, your bias won't let you calm down and read.
The op was calling out people who are deriding science without having the necessary qualifications or without writing a counter article and publishing it in a scientific journal.
This includes theists and atheists, he clearly called both groups out.
But your bias won't let you see it. It's right there in the OP

I'll advice you to fast. It doesn't take anything away from your lack of belief. You're still dependent on your parents and I'm not sure you want to bear the consequences of them finding out. Just play along, it won't kill you.
A sizable number of people you see in mosques and churches are atheists, they are just keeping up appearance.
I'm a man of my own, but I still attend church, just to keep my folks happy.
Just do the fast. You'll be glad you did.

I can mention names for you.
Felixomor deriding evolution with that funny PhD holder of his Jonathan Wells who denies evolution without a single research article published in a reputable journal to back up his claim.


DoctorAlien that discards radiometric dating despite the fact that it won a Nobel prize and is the most common dating method in all of science, he is yet to write his own research article and publish it in a journal to explain why radiometric dating should be disregarded.

Their stock in trade is denying science. But what they don't realize is that no matter how much they deny science and refuse to accept it, it won't make it not true. They whole world will move on without them while they are still stuck in the past denying what everyone else has accepted.