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Revived.

KingEbukasBlog latest lie.

Sickle cell disease was developed to fight against malaria .

Can you imagine.

Ubameyang:
Human vulnerrability or susceptibity to viral attack is due to our corrupted nature(by ourselves) we have fallen from a great height dat is y d bible i rom.8:19 talks abt d creature earnestly waitin 4 d manifestation of d sons of God(humans) our spirits lies lethargic in its robe(physical body) without d supply of spiritual radiation to d body man becomes a weakling.

So animals and plants and bacteria that are susceptible to microorganisms also sinned against your God too abi?

KingEbukasBlog:
Is this even an argument ? You have a way more complex brain that has helped you develop the resistance against or cure for these disease. Even the study of pathogens has given us a much better understanding of microorganisms

Animals also have brains to understand diseases and how to fight them.
Elephants have been shown to eat leaves containing oxytocics to aid in labour process.
Apes have been shown to eat leaves containing some natural ingredients to help one ailment or the other, it is not peculiar to humans.
They have the in-built immunity/mechanisms to fight against diseases while we have to develop new medications every few years to fight against the Infections cos he surprisingly gave them immunity against our works

Sickle cell disease was developed to fight against malaria .

Sickle cell disease was developed by who? (This is so gonna be interesting)

Most of these diseases are just spin offs of the evolutionary processes . Who knows ? As humans evolve we can be naturally resistant too against these diseases . There is a perspective of creationism called special creationism whereby God created primordial ancestors and orchestrated diversity through evolution . And these design flaws can be corrected through natural selection . Again , some of the flaws which were once seen as flaws have turned out not to be flaws . We have now discovered their uses . As knowledge grows , the perception changes . Because we don't know yet why something seems off at the moment does not mean God did not do it - that's the Not-God argument [https://www.nairaland.com/3767066/criticism-atheist-arguments-introducing-not]

Humans are evolving to be immune to these diseases at the detriment of their health. i.e sickle cell disease. But humans are not evolving to be immune to most bacterial/viral infection. Things as common as common cold and influenza still kill a lot of people yearly.
Please, which former design flaws has been demonstrated to be beneficial now?

malvisguy212:
are you an atheist ? I don't really understand you.

What has that got to do with anything?
Address the post, not the messenger.

SmartMugu:
I still don't think the creator needs to be blamed for the points you mentioned. I still agree with folks that believe life is about survival of the fittest. That's why you and me can slaughter a chicken for lunch and a lion can devour both us for dinner. Same applies to micro-organisms like the bacteria you mentioned. They obviously derived something from making people sick, but our creator has nothing to do with what they're doing to other animals like us, like he has nothing to do with a chicken devouring a young and innocent earthworm,and same chicken ends up being cooked or fried by me and you.

In my opinion, It will be unfair to assume our creator made certain living things more perfect than us humans, and some of them can hurt us more than we can hurt them. We need to think about how many other species we hurt on a daily basis too. Since we are discussing bacteria, how many plants, mushrooms, animals do we humans kill everyday? Last I checked, humans consume more than other animals. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

You are still not getting it. The creator put in place so much mechanisms for these organisms to thrive but refused to give same to us. His "chosen" ones
I'll go out on a limb and say that 95% of our antibiotics is gotten from bacteria. That is how defenseless we are.

KingEbukasBlog:
Design flaws ? Oya go and create your own universe from absolute nothingness let's compare it to God's

According to Christian theism , God did not create an impeccable universe . The so-called design flaws are even beneficial . Like I told you the other day : when you lose , others gain - that's the cycle of life .

SmartMugu:
Oh wow.
Don't you think the problems were created by humans themselves and not the creator?

Okay, I'll talk about humans.
Sure, beneficial design flaws, bla bla bla.
Let's look at Plasmodium, the causative agent of malaria.
It doesn't have any proven benefit except making humans sick and killing​ us.
Plasmodium Falciparum, the deadliest specie for humans, our close evolutionary cousins are surprisingly immune to it. He gave the immunity to apes and forgot to give it to us?
That's okay though, he "gave" us evolution. Now, humans evolved the S in the hemoglobin gene. But guess what? The S is a death sentence. To inherit 2 of them causes sickle cell disease (SS), we all know how that one turns out, to inherit one (AS) has been linked to chronic kidney diseases and splenic infarctions. But that's okay though, he is a great designer.
He created bacteria and gave them the ability to withstand anything thrown at it, but what did he give us? Nothing.
Okay, we developed antibiotics to fight the bacteria, what did he do? He have them genes to be able to become resistant to our antibiotics. You don't want to know how many people have died due to antibiotics resistance.
And we are supposed to be the apple of his eyes and whatnot.
What a great designer he is.

KingEbukasBlog:
Oh no problem . Thank Christ .

Well if you have any other questions just ask

Don't forget , not everyone subscribes to the idea of creation stories in religious books but they still acknowledge the existence of the creator .

Creator? With all the plenty design flaws?
The creator surely doesn't want us to live on earth if there is one.

davtosh:
It baffles me when ppl base aguements on the discorveries by Scientists. As if Scientists are faultless. There are many theories that were later found out to be faulty by Scientists themselves and many more will still be discovered to be faulty in later years.
So all these beliefs that earth came into existence 4.5billion years ago are total nonsense. where were the ppl making those pronouncements then. Where were their great grand parents. Was there any writen information by an eye witness?

Down below are very few of Scientic findings and beliefs that were later found to be untrue. So I stick to the Bible account.





1- Fleischmann–Pons’s Nuclear Fusion
Cold fusion is a supposed kind of nuclear reaction that would occur at relatively low temperatures compared with hot fusion. As a new type of nuclear reaction, it gained much popularity after reports in 1989 by famous electrochemists Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann. The craze about cold fusion became weaker as other scientists, after trying to repeat the experiment, failed to get similar results.

2- Phrenology
Now widely considered as a pseudoscience, phrenology was the study of the shape of skull as indicative of the strengths of different faculties. Modern scientific research wiped it out by proving that personality traits could not be traced to specific portions of the brain.

3- The Blank Slate
The Blank Slate theory (or Tabula rasa), widely popularized by John Locke in 1689, proposed that individuals are born without built-in mental content and that their knowledge comes from experience and perception. Modern research suggests that genes and other family traits inherited from birth, along with innate instincts of course, also play a very important role.
4- Luminiferous Aether

The aether (or ether) was a mysterious substance that was thought to transmit light through the universe. The idea of a luminiferous aether was debunked as experiments in the diffraction and refraction of light, and later Einstein’s special theory of relativity, came along and entirely revolutionized physics.

5- Einstein’s Static (or Stationary) Universe
A static universe, also called a “stationary” or “Einstein” universe, was a model proposed by
Albert Einstein in 1917. It was problematic from the beginning. Edwin Hubble’s discovery of the relationship between red shift obliterated it by completely demonstrating that the universe is constantly expanding.

6- Martian Canals
The Martian canals were a network of gullies and ravines that some 19th century scientists erroneously thought to exist on Mars. First detected in 1877 by Italian astronomer Giovanni Schiaparelli, modern telescopes and imaging technology completely debunked the myth. The “canals” were actually found to be a mere optical illusion.

7- Phlogiston Theory
First postulated in 1667 by German physician Johann Joachim Becher, Phlogiston Theory is an obsolete scientific theory regarding the existence of “phlogiston”, a fire-like element, which was contained within combustible bodies and released during combustion. The theory tried to explain burning processes such as combustion and the rusting of metals, which are now jointly termed as “oxidation”.

8- The Expanding or Growing Earth
The Expanding Earth or Growing Earth is a hypothesis suggesting that the position and relative movement of continents is dependent on the volume of the Earth increasing. Modern science has turned down any expansion or contraction of the Earth.

9- Discovery of the Planet Vulcan
A small planet that was supposed to exist in an orbit between Mercury and the Sun, French mathematician Urbain Jean Joseph Le Verrier coined the name “Vulcan” while trying to explain the nature of Mercury’s orbit. No such planet was ever discovered, while the orbit of Mercury was explained in detail by Albert Einstein’s theory of general relativity.

10- Spontaneous (or Equivocal) Generation
Spontaneous generation or equivocal generation is an obsolete principle concerning the origin of life from inanimate matter. The hypothesis was brought out by Aristotle who advocated the work of earlier natural philosophers. It was proven wrong in the 19th century by the experiments of Louis Pasteur , drawing influence from Francesco Redi who was an early proponent of germ theory and cell theory.

The good thing about science is that it has to be reproducible by your rivals/peers (the famous phrase "peer review" ) before it is generally accepted. If it is not reproducible, it is discarded faster than you can say Jack Robinson and every example you listed up there wasn't reproducible.
In science no one is against proposing hypothesis, the issue now is, can it stand the scrutiny of your rivals?

felixomor:
LMAO
You are not ok
Who told you archeology has not discovered Jesus Christ engraved coins before.?

You are dull sha.
Chaii....

Even at that, so only coins is the reason for your argument......
KingEbukasblog, come and see .......

LOL

Felix, Jesus engraved coins? Was he General? A Nobleman? A member of the royal family?
I know lying for Jesus is a thing, but you're taking it way too far.
All well meaning Christians should rein this guy in, I beg you guys.

Richirich713:
There's no reason why church fathers should have mention the passage, especially if we consider the pared-down version of the Testimonium scholars generally consider to be the original(or very close to the original). I also don't consider it to be a problem if Eusebius did edit the passage, since I subscribe to view that the passage was altered by a Christian (probably scribe), but the core message still comes from Josephus.

Lying for Jesus you mean?

Felixomor, I'm still waiting for the contemporary historians that wrote about Jesus.
Maybe ask KingEbukasBlog for help.

Nigerian doctors instead of referring patients to a bigger hospital when therapy fails, they start praying with/for the patient as if their desk is the be all end all of the health of the patient.

felixomor:
LMAO
You people are so funny
Keep pretending like u didnt get the question
I will also play along



Keep playing
We will be here...




Have u finished playing?

Like dalaman said, I would wait forever, it wasn't wide off the mark, it was spot on.
After admitting my ignorance, still nothing to show.
Smh, felixomor.

felixomor:
1. Firstly, u have refused to answer a simple question, does your definition of "contemporary" have multiple meanings?

2. Secondly, Please state it categorically,
If I bring it out, will you admit your Ignorance?

yes or No

Oga, I have given you the Oxford dictionary definition of contemporary, I even added a screenshot.
If that one is not good enough for you, then I can't help more than that.

Yes Felix, I will admit my Ignorance. E don tey we you want hear am.

felixomor:
Wow for real?
Sorry ignorant one, u didnt list all.
Just use your google and get contemporary historians who lived in Jesus era.

Besides, i thought your dictionary definition of "contemporary" had multiple meanings??
Anyway, its you so I am not surprised.

Get educated.

Sure, there were historians that were alive during the supposed life of Jesus, those were his contemporaries, but guess what?
None wrote about him, zero, zilch, nada. Not even one.
The ones who wrote about him were not his contemporaries.
If you have a name drop it. It's not a matter of noise or argument.
Put me to shame.

felixomor:
So after the definition what changed?
There are contemporary historians who wrote about Jesus..
Educate yourself with google.
I doubt if u ever knew such. Before coming tp Nairaland to take up the job of anti - religious rants.


If you like lie down on gutters.
Your definition doesn't change the claim.
Besides u seem to have forgotten your claim of "MUSLIM ATHEISTS" so soon.

I have listed all the reputable historians that wrote about Jesus, none were his contemporaries.
If you have any name, provide it.
Some Bible historians even go as far as discarding Josephus' account.
Of course I know you won't drop any names, you don't have any.

felixomor:
The guy doesnt even know that there are other contemporary historians who wtote about Christ.

Contemporary?
Every Historian that wrote about Jesus from Josephus to Tacitus to Pliny the young to the Talmunds all wrote about him at least 50 years after he was supposed to have died.
If you don't know the meaning of contemporary, here it is.

mayorall:
What are you buying there sir?.

Clothes, shoes.

Do you guys ship from www.asos.com ?
It's based in the UK

hahn:
I remember during the ebola attack how Nigerian were bathing with salt water. Msc, Phs etc holders. Mothers and father. Role models. Adults

It was a revelation of how we think as a people

Sad indeed

Now, let me tell you the fuckkked up thing.
Healthcare​ personnels were amongst those forwarding the message.

felixomor:
This one is for you.
You don't know the person you are referencing.
If u knew, u will do your own talk

Okay, I've heard
Oya address his post, I agree with it 100%. I'm not adding or removing.
Oya address the issues raised.
That's all.

felixomor:
You have not said anything.
Stop daring without facts.

Lol, He can't even counter dalaman's post. If your God is the creator of life, then he performs the greatest number of abortions as opined by dalaman.
Deal with it.

felixomor:
Mr Games, you have come again?
If I expound this your article now, u will come and tell me u were joking ba?

Abeg shift, let me deal with better mentions.

Address the post.
I dare you.

And the pastors that they are referring patients to didn't​ say shitttt during the Ebola outbreak

urheme:
don't blame it on religion....our system has not created opportunities to fully develop this area......Nigeria is still hoping to advance while India is advancing..........we have home groom doctors trained and working abroad that are breaking ground, this is because they have the enabling environment to express them self.

The healthcare services that Nigerians seek abroad can be imported here so that the young doctor can be groomed, and considering the amount of money spent on treatment abroad, it is alarming........they still die anyway

If they give you the budget and expenditures of the last treatment of President Buhari......you will curse this system.

You still dont get it.
These doctors instead of admitting the shortcomings if our system or referring them to better hospitals start peddling miraculous cures. That is wrong.

urheme:
Said who.....who says a Doctor cannot preach Christ .

My dear there is freedom of thought and religion in united nation declaration of Human Right.......a Doctor can practice any religion of his or her choice.

When it involves your patient, you're losing your job. 2 naija nurses in the UK are casualties this year alone.

urheme:
yes because...there is something beyond medicine.......you have not seen anything yet, catfish

Why can't they make their noise in advanced countries.
The day that they'll try that, that's the day they would lose their Medical license for life.

urheme:
you feel ashamed ...ok.....go and listen to Pastor Dr. Paul & Becky Enenche....your seniors in the field

Those ones are so far gone that they have nothing to contribute to the Healthcare industry.
When I hear things Indians are doing, it's painful for me because, I schooled with them, they aren't all that bright, but still, they do things that we in Nigeria here can only wish for in the next 30 years.
Open heart surgery that we're making noise about, they've moved past that.

obinna58:

imagine nigerian doctors hoping for miracles, I don't blame all those rich dudes flying out for treatment, even the president
we all knew nigerian doctors are not included cos they can never challenge god

There are good ones. But the ones that can't separate religion from science are the ones making the loudest noise.

Naija Doctors and their motto: WE TREAT, GOD HEALS.
Why won't patients cut out the middle man doctor since all he is going to do is treat and go straight to God, since he is the one that heals?