Xvalier:

worry?? I have never had the opportunity to hear someone interpret tongues before,or have you, kindly let the the poster who was a witness reply. Thanks

Not a problem. The one i know of was someone from the congregation claiming that was the person who spoke in tongues was reciting was Psm. 23 in his own mother-tongue but the tongue-speaker never knew what he was saying until someone from the congregation validated it.

~Lady~:

If Yar'Adua come US, and Bush no receive am, una go vex sey respect no dey for Nigerians. Man of God come US. una vex sey respect dey, na wa o.
When will the hypocrisy stop?

If you view him as God on earth that is entirely on you, but don't speak for billions of people. Thank you.

Iya Catholic . Na you go be the next virgin mary my ~lady~

The papacy's mission is more political than religious. Are you surprised about the heavy security? Is it easy to hold the place of gawd on earth according to Vicarius Filie Dei ? Gawd must be protected right? It wont be funny is someone guns down the man holding gawd's place on earth right? Now you understand better. Lets proect the man representing gawd on earth! Gawd of course cant protect the man holding his place right?

~Lady~:

No I have not. I don't loose sleep, especially over someone hateful. I let God deal with it. Besides I don't know you or 4Him. I just marvel at such ignorance.

Again, i'm not hateful. Its just that i am not being economical with my position and that now sounds hateful right? Pardon me.

~Lady~:

TRUTH according to whom, me or you? You forget that the Muuuuslims believe they hold the truth. Should their truth then be considered truth? Seriously man, get off your high horse.

Well, the last time i checked, the truth was not in the Vatican. It has never been there even let alone saying it has left.

~Lady~:

I want you to actually hold a discussion without your personal motives. I also want you to open your eyes and stop being hypocritical. I also want you to do your research before you speak. I also want you to stop judging. I also want you to stop thinking of yourself as holder of the truth, because you don't hold it.

Ok. No personnal motives. No reason to have such at all. I have no one in Catholic church or something. They have done me no wrong personally, so no hidden motives other than for me to state my position and analyze objectively.

~Lady~:

Other than you engaging in a discussion like a sane person, I want nothing from you.

ntakiri ntakiri (small small) biko. Dont get abusive. I see no reason why you should start abusing personalities on the forum. Be gentle like a gentle[b]~lady~[/b]

~Lady~:

I have looked up the book and I will finish reading it, so far, nothing you mentioned is true.

For your courage to get the book, i must commend you. I do hope you have the full copy and not edited for the laity only? . If you do find those words therein, what would you do? Just wondering?

~Lady~:

No one dubbed you holder of the truth. You are human and are highly flawed. Why should I believe you?
You have proven yourself a hypocrite, why should I believe you?

Me? When? How? Moreover, please dont believe me. Check the facts out yourself. Why should you believe me. Thank god you have the book like you claimed. Its good when people search things for themselves. Some however, even after discovering those hitherto hiddne facts, still prefer to remian in their vomits. You understand what I mean?

~Lady~:

You have labeled yourself as judge and are therefore playing God, why should I even engage in a discussion with you who challenge God's position?

Dont read into my mouth what i have not said. if you want to go biblical, its God that said the righteous judges all things. Not to digress, i am not judging. Its like saying that participants in a debate arer judging themselves. I see this whole thing as a debate where we seek to establish the correct position right? Are ewe in the same game then? You might have better proofs than i do and make me surrender. I am open. It could go either way. Can you see that i am sane at least?

~Lady~:

You have been countered MANY times, but still hold yourself as God and holder of the truth. Now who is blind?
No you're not fighting me but you are fighting with God's anointed.

I am sure as we progress in the discussion, certain opinions you have held till this time will start changing.

~Lady~:

Ofcourse your conspiracy theories. Why should I engage in a discussion with you again? When you cannot provide simple proof of Catholics Worshipping Mary? Or Praying in Mary's name? Or worshipping a saint?

Well, i cant remember engaging you in any discussion on the above so far. I just met you recently dear catholic rose. I can hoever establish the fact that your popes believe and have professed it openly that mary is your saviour. Is she not the glory of the people of Israel as you have in the , what is that thing called sef?

~Lady~:

When have you done so, and when did we run? Don't lie dear, it's a sin. You wouldn't want to be called a sinner since you're palying God now would you?
Don't forget that the same ten commandments in your Bible are in ours. If you don't agree with ours, then chuck yours.

Moving closer to the furnace.

~Lady~:

No one has a hard time. I have debunked the claims by many Protestants. I have been unbiased and laid EVERYTHING out. I stuck to my promise, you have not.
I have answered every question, but protestants have either dodged me or twisted my words. I have noticed something, and yes it seems to be a trend. When I debunk something from a protestant, he moves on to the next Catholic and ignores my posts and flat out refuses to answer my questions. I have kept my promise and I tirelessly defend my faith. It has been proven to you.

Dont worry. I wont ignore your posts neither can i twist your words.

~Lady~:

But o how I wish this forum was not monitored and posts were not deleted at will (and yes I said at will).

I wish so too.

~Lady~:

Cgift, if I start with you, you WILL run, that is a promise.

Lets dance.

Xvalier:

Just curious Stillwater, after translating, what did the woman(your mum's friend) say , please in English

why worry? it could have been anything. ranging from the Lord's prayer to a particular message for a specific person in the congregation, to a word for the country or anything that would edify someone or the church.

imhotep,

you made my day with very deep laughter in the office. O nearly cracked my ribs. That your list no reach 33,000 now. e remain 10,000 na only 20,000 you put

Imhotep, that number is stuck in my head 33,000

wey the guy? he don faint? water dey flenty

chrisoml:

@PAPABOMBOY

for this am offering u a job in one of the dailies for your comic humors.
Nice one indeed

the guy na real clown. Papabomboy, na like so you dey do in front of your pikin?

zigam:

No, no Cgift, how could you say they have legitimized sin when their leader Pope felt ashamed?
Their Pope did not clap or encourage those Priests.
You see, you too must be careful because I have not seen any Catholic faithfuls or Priests that says sin is proper.

I sympathize with you. Do you know what it is to call someone a wolf in sheep's clothing? They say one thing and do another. You wont expect him to declare that in public would you.? Just take a deep and independent search to a priest or a RCC reverend father. Request for the sources i have mentioned above. Ask him for the book and that you would like to read it that you want to understand more about the office of the Priest. Watchout for his reaction.

Why is it that Catholcis on this forum have had a hard time debunkering my claims. If someone convincingly debunks my claim (as one ~lady~ has promised. I promise i will stop posting anything against catholics on this forum and i mean it.

zigam:

and sometimes I worship with them because my wife to be is a Catholic.

i think you may be safe because she is not likely to know the power play and core missions of the Vatican authorities. But ensure you deliver her from the marian apparitions and messages. They are of the devil not God.

zigam:

I also have a lot of protestant friends who are good Christians.
In fact there was a crusade organised by Catholics and their Priests were outstanding that very day.
Their preachings were based in bible and they weren't interested in stage miracles or material things.
That's why I love them most. though they still have their own faults.
Besides, I still love some Protestant Pastors and the way they preach yet they still have their own faults.

Correct. Every man is got faults. But some faults are self-made like these catholic doctrines. They are not just faults. They are herecies. Herecies are not faults. They are demonic and satanic. How can someone say that Mary is the Saviour of his people and the subjects/followers too are comfortable with that? Lord have mercy!

olabowale:


And be assured that there will be handsome musli/m man for you, if you are pretty like the Miss World kind of woman! In the long run, you will have to be purged off the 3 in 1 belief. There is nothing 3 that is 1, or there is no 1 that can be 3. .

Why then do we have it stated that the Great Prophet had the strength of is it 10 men on bed ? . You see, 10 in 1 and 1 for 10 i.e. the greatness by the great prophet!

Pastor AIO:

I think the crucial thing here is whether or not one takes the bible literally and upholds it as the utmost authority on Truth and God's Will. If this is the case then it becomes impossible to reconcile this with the errors and contradictions found in the bible.

Errors come through several ways. While copying form the originally manuscripts to anoter platform, during translations, human, machine errors, and etc. So what matters most here is the context say if it reports 22 in one place and then 42 in another, the nost important conclusion to draw is that

1) The incident/event being narrated by one writer is corroborated by another
2) That there is a certain minimum number of people that witnessed the event at that point in time.
3) Therefore, that the significance of the event should be seen rather than dwell on trivialities.

shikena!

bawomolo:

i doubt bible literalists take them as typos. how authentic is the bible as the word of "God" if it has all this errors laying around. there's also issues about the archaeological or historical relevance of the bible.

what archaeological or historical issues have you got this time boy?

zigam,

too many things are fundamentally wrong with the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) not just pedophile priests. Countless things. Where do we want to begin. I have always charged them, list the ten commandments of the bible as we have it in the RCC. Na lie! Dem go run. They wont tell you the truth. But let me limit it to the topic at hand. Their priests dont feel any form of corruption or sin when they infact commit these sexual sins. They are excused according to the great theologian and author, whom they have canonized and his books used in teaching the priests. They have legitimized sin only for the Priests whom at the same time they call creators of Jesus especially during the Eucharists. Priests? When you see one run! They are wolves in sheep's clothings!

This is not hatred. I have got nothing to gain by hating. I am just saying what is. People should not believe me. They should check it out for themselves. I beg catholics, (sincere ones at that) to understudy priests. Go to their library and see if you can see a book called the Dignitiy & Durties of the Priests. There you will see heresy! Corruption! what else?

Make i take cover i beg!

Mosetra:

i am ashamed that a a great one started this thread and gave way for christians to embarass and antagonise one another. what a shame!!!! remember if you sell your kinsman for one kobo, you can't redeem him with a million naira. that's a proverb

Irrespective of whoever starts the thread, facts must be presented as they really are and not someone declaring war on the other. Don't forget that the so-calld grait-ones have been taken to the cleaners in prior threads. So, nobody is being treated with kids gloves.

stillwater:

I had the opportunity to witness a woman (my mother's friend) speak in Calabar language in church during a service. This woman is Igbo, doesn't speak and understand calabar. It was after people told her what she had done, she wasn't even aware of what she did!!!!!! It is real

Still,

God bless you. That is one of the very essence of speaking in tongues but so called Christians and spirit-filled people doe not know it. That brings to the fore the actual essence of that gift. It edifies the hearers. It could have been for one person in the entire congregation and that person must hear wht is being said or another person gifted in interpretation will then interpret in the language common to everybody especially if the message being passed across is for everyone.

It is real but the real ones are a bit difficult to see these days! Another kind will actually tell of languages you cannot hear but only known to that. Now that is quite difficult to verify. Let us stop at the first level however.

Cheers.

This chicago bull fella, i understand your plight. But these things are very stale in that they have been established as typo errors. So why knock ur engine on a meaningless and futile exercise. However some of your so-called contradictions stem from your inability to understand the spiritual apart from the ones that are typos.

samba123:

Just stick to the Topic lol

What topic when Seun's employee is yanking off people's posts. murkiness be careful o. Like i said ealier, yanking off people's posts wont add to your pay o. Now restore my post on Prophet MO's plagiarist's expertise

~Lady~:

Thanks, how are you?

Honestly last night, I was just thinking and my mind was drawn to this board. I thought of cgift and 4Him and I shook my head. Must hatred be given space to roam?

Hope you have not lost sleep. Please take things lightly. It does not call for all these you are putting yourself thru.

~Lady~:

I honestly thought that maybe these guys couldn't comprehend what I post, but I noticed something when I logged on and saw 4Him's excuse for the Pastors who commit adultery, and I said, this guy knows what he's doing. He's not out to spread the gospel, but out to destroy the beautiful Unity in the body of Christ. He speaks with hatred, arrogance, pride, and ignorance. I can only pray for him.

You are taking things too far. You remind me of this statement: Have i become they enemy because i speak the truth?

~Lady~:

As for cgift, well I won't even bother responding to his posts, because he will be forced to respond to mine and then he will truly be ridiculed.
If you are a true scholar, you will come with hard facts, you will go into details and give thorough explanations for your points. You won't point blame and make a half point.

Birds of a feather! Maybe you are doing selective reading. What other fact do you want from me. I have told you just a little of what transpires in the seminaries and some of the books they use for their theology. I even gave you the name of the author and an excerpt from the book. What else do you want? Why cant you just go and get the book or liaise with ur priests to authenticate my submissions? Are you afraid? Or is it hard for you to believe that they allow fornication about once or twice a month among the priests? Again, St. Liguori said in his book (see, he has been canonised ). Yes. St. Alphonsus Liguori) that a priest that falls (into fornication) once a month may be excused, i.e., twelve (12) times year, he will be excused. Some married people self no do reach 10 times a year. So who is deceiving whom?

Get it staright, the devil has laid a serious trap for your leaders. Infact, they are dining and whinning with him. So what sort of tutoring can one expect from someone who is not even charged with extreme moral expectations by his boss or bishop of pope?

Now are you not the one subjecting yourself to ridicule taking the whole thing as war? I am not fighting you lady. Just be at peace and take things objectively. I have given you a position, counter it. Simple.


Do you care i take you through where your popes have committed your souls to the hands of mary of the apparition (i call her mary of the apparitions and not of the bible) as against committing your precious souls to the hands of Christ? Do you care?

4 Him:

my dear, only false prophets emphasis this. Our early apostolic fathers were busy evangelising even their jailors.

you will kill someone o

imhotep:

Good.
Alphonsus Liguori is a doctor of the Church.

You are just docking questions. They are too much for you to handle abi? Will you promise me you will read up the Dignity and Duties of the priest by St. Alphonsus Liguori? I will buy you wafers if you do

imhotep:

Protestants also blend bible and juju in order to assist God perform miracles.

Weak argument. Feeble lifebuoy. Say something more classy and sensible my guy. What you dont understand is more than you. Even your RCC you dont understand their inner workings, so why wont Protestants that you are not not bewilder you further?

imhotep:

But there IS google. My critics should go and study.

See your jaw dropping. I should research your church for you? It confirms only one thing - catholics dont give a damn about the lies they are even told in church. No stuff to share to counter my stance right? If i pour out more of my studies, you will just faint.

imhotep:

Is the word 'Trinity' in the bible you carry around? Why do you believe it

Those who defined, explained and defended the Trinity you believe were celibate. Please reject the Trinity for starters.

.

The word you are holding as if saying it alone will guaranty you paradise is not even in the bible. I dont canvass trinity. I however believe in God the father and that he sent his only begotten son (not mary) into the world to die for me. He now lives in by the Holy ghost. Those are central to my faith. What is Trinity? May be you define it for me.

imhotep:


Even if that were true, it is better than blending bible with juju.

You seem to be perfect in the working knowledge of juju as its been reverberating in your texts? We dont blend Bible with juju? of what essence?

imhotep:

Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hatred. You should learn to live with the power and influence of the Catholic Church.

I am only afriad that your precious soul be damned in hell and i am angered that you have refused to open the eyes of your mind to open truth and recognise exposed demonic teachings of the papacy. That you have the number of people and are very rich does not make God tingle. I does not irk me one bit. I do hope you know the history of the wealth the catholic church now wields today.

Come to the limelight bro.

4 Him:

the only thing that baffles me is that these same hypocrites will be back to claim that they reverence "Jesus" and that He is one of their "prophets".

o ma ga o! Duplicity is their first name. Fallacy is their first name, Sophistry is their surname. Nonsense and ingredientss!

imhotep:
You know next to nothing about me.

That is not the bone of contention.

imhotep:
Since you are an expert on this book, please educate us.

I am not your priest. Go and grab a copy fast and educate yourself. You can read very well i am sure about that and you can make sense out of what you read. May be when you read with your own eyes what your priest are taught, you will have a rethink.

imhotep:
Read about the anathemas declared in the Council of Trent here ==> http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/trent.htm . I believe it is these anathemas that has led to the deep confusion found among protestants. 33,000 sects -> from ONE bible?

There is nothing as such. Protestants are continually seeking out knowledge and truth through revelations from te Spirit of God. There will continually be differing opinions as it relates to doctrines but the central theme is the message of the cross and the gospel which catholics have relegated to the backgroud. The central theme has no place for purgatory, salvation through works, fatima worship, bla bla bla,

imhotep:
You don't know what 'Papal Infallibilty' means. Google it and read the RIGHT sources. Stop reading hate-mongering, jealous and insecure protestant sources.
I repeat => You don't know what 'Papal Infallibilty' means. Google it and read the RIGHT sources. Stop reading hate-mongering, jealous and insecure protestant sources.

Tell us Imhotep's or RCC's version of Infallibility. This is a forum and we expect to share knowledge. Make us understnad what it means. If they were no google, how would you enlighten your critics?

imhotep:
The concept of God you carry about with you was developed and defended by the Catholic church -> Trinity, Hypostatic union of Christ, etc etc. Wake up.

Fallacy and sophistry of the highest order. Who begged them to defend God. God is not a wafer bread of your Eucharist that is to be defended lol. Serious slumbering here! Did i get that? You developed the concept of God, o ma gao (this is the height! Heresy has dedicated rooms in the Vatican

imhotep:
There is no link between celibacy and pedophilia - if that is what you want to establish.

In your wildest dreams. Those guys are burning. Why can't they just take Apostle Paul's counsel that a Bishop should be the husband of one wife? Why? Instead of burning and attaining orgasm with toddlers? I think when they engage your kid some day you will wake from your slumber

imhotep:
You need to go on pilgrimage to the Vatican.

To see more cults and be told the reson why you have 9 commandments instead of ten to justify your worship of idols?

imhotep:
Stop working out of hatred. [b]Catholics theologians are the best. [/b]The pope's visit is currently shaking USA. The Catholic church will keep confounding protestants and making them jealous. The protestants have to learn to live with this.

Delusional! This is not hatred. Come to terms with it and open up to the truth. It stares you in the face. That evil is colossal does not make it eternal.

Imhotep,

you said i should quote my sources. Its just why i usually say your priests are actually the ones i should be discussing with in matters that relate to them. You are not a priest or so i presume and therefore wont know what happens in their seminaries. You can't know what they are being taught let alone know the books they use in their theological sessions. You are just a kid in Catholicism (sorry to say) because you can't see beyond your nose.

Like i emphasized the other time, go and look for the book called the Dignity and Duties of the Priests by St. Alphonsus Liguori. Read it up. You may need to get to Rome before you can find it or if lucky, one of your select priests may have it in his library. It is not a book you just find anywhere because the Catholic Church is founded in so much secrecy. It is rather a cult than anything else. Please you need sincerity of heart and purpose to be able to know more about your church and their doctrines. Just mention the name of that book to one of your learned priests and mention the author of it. If he says he is familiar with it then probe further into the allegations i have made here. I am sure if he confides in you that it is true, you will not have the balls to come here and share it with us. Alphonsus Liguori is a man even the pope revere so much and his teachings are taken as law in the Vatican. Can you please read it up?

The catholic church have no regard for holiness, their norms are not driven by the scriptures. You just invalidated the scriptures you claim to have canonised by saying why should you take a book compiled after hundreds of years of Christ death seriously. Therein lies the problem. RCC is not scripture based and as such its teachings are outside the bible. Apostle Paul said, if any man brings to you another gospel other than what you have learnt, let him be accursed. The bible you claim to have canonized, anathematizes you completely.

Imhotep my guy, you amazed me when you talked about your blind belief in the infallibility of popes. You are ridiculing intelligence and undermining rational thinking. Imhotep, on what basis did the dogma of infallibility come in? Do you know its history? By induction, do you know that it is impossible for a pope to sin and make mistakes? Do you realize what infallibility means or you care to look it up in the dictionary a second time? I you say you are sure of what you are saying, i have a question for you. Do you know that certain popes have been anathematized by the RCC and declared heretics? Why should the Vatican come back to curse a previous pope if he was indeed infallible?

Several Popes have had to apologize for his errors in statement and conduct in the past and you say they are infallible. Stop mocking Thesaurus please. One thing keeps amazing me, these same popes claim as one of their numerous official titles of the papacy, the title: Vicarious Filli Dei, meaning literarily and in substance that "the popes hold on the earth, the place of God Almighty" ! My heart skips even in trying to write out this blasphemy - Revelation 17 describes the RCC and its future anyway so beware if you are wise).

[b]The place of God? [/b]Obviously not the God of heaven and earth. It must be the god of rome, probably the lady of fatima which is very different from the Mary of the Bible. Again, the place of God? Just a quick one, your pope cannot even say a prayer than can move mountain even after venerating the idol of one mary that is not of the bible. Not a single act similar to that of Jehovah God yet they claim to be in the pace of God - maybe gawd. Infallibility and Vicariusity indeed! Dont mock intelligence please i beg of you.

To my friends talking about celibacy i have this to say: Celibacy, as practiced by the RCC is demonic. It is from the pit of hell and the height of deceit and cheating. People who have no grace for celibacy just rush into it and sell their souls to the devil for no cause. Let your catholic priest go and marry. It does not work for them. The ones who have violated young boys, the ones with pedophilia raging inside of them, and the ones who have kept themselves all have the same rewards as nothing is done to the former even after the barrage of lawsuits. Why has the church paid over $2bn dollars in damages to victims of the priests? Ask yourself why they have not allowed the priest to suffer the wrath of the law for violating young boys and girls in their prime.

When you hear RCC, please run. Go and study more about the inner workings of the Vatican. A lowly and willing spirit will help you know more and make scales fall of your eyes.

For the bible you canonized, why are you not reading it and allow your priests to do the reading and interpretation for you? They tell you that thinking by yourself will lead you to error? Are they not humans too? They have thought for you and are passing heresies to you and you take it hook, line and sinker. They are humans and could make the mistakes you make too and many a mistake they have made which has led and still leading people to damnation. Please check these things out.

imhotep and lady,

you too make me laugh too much. I want to believe what you see on the outside is what you think catholicism is. I had said in one of my posts that Priests are allowed to fornicate at least two or three times in the RCC and you were silent about it. The same priests whom you people claim are infallible are allowed in your doctrines to sin and will be pardoned.

You call this hatred? You must be deluded? I think if you are really sincere and not holding on to a blind faith, youo should be concerned about finding out whether what i have said is true or not. Sit your priest down (i dont think you can because you look at them as Christ right- the the deception and fear they have created in your minds so that you cant even question them - o ma se o), ask him what St. Liguori wrote about Priests and their infallibility. You dont know anything. I just laugh at your very shallow responses to critical issues. I repeat, what is your position on my claim that your priests are very much allowed to fornicate not many times anyway on a month. Why do you think those pedophile cases are many times swept under the carpet? Its because it is perhaps just the first or the second time that the priests have slept with the boys. They wont be excommunicated until it becomes numerous. Now is it not better for them to marry if their sins does not relegate them from being priests, so why should marriage relegate them?

Permit me to raise another issue. Can i ask you to list the ten commandments of the bible re given in the catholic church with all sincerity? Can you list the the ten commandments that God gave Moses in the wilderness as preached in the cathecism? Let me see your honesty here else i will just label you as being mischievous and full of duplicity.

Thirdly, do you want evidences where your pope said that Mary is the Saviour of the people of you catholics without mincing words?

Do you believe in the infallibility of your popes?

All these noise about compile bible and others are not the crux of the matter, they are mere distractions. If you can truthfully answer to these, that is when we can fuly start a full fledged conversation about the main crux of the Vatican. The way you are going, i know you are going to end your statements with someting like this: that the bible is not the only book of authority that we should use as christians and that they were various undocumented traditions that were passed over from the founding fathers (whom your erroneously call the apostles) to the RCC. I am waiting for you to get there and when you eventually say it i would ask you: should oral traditions negate the written word (Bible) if indeed it is the same God and Spirit that directed both?

o ma ga o

Its interesting when i see mooslims running from qurihan to the hadiths when trying to defend their positions. In one instance, the qurihan is the final authority but when they see thatt it does not hold water, they start looking in the direction of the hadiths the next minute. I wonder when your duplicity will stop.

Why then do your mullahs and othe scholars of islima refer to the hadiths looking for a straw-man all the time? Its like you been caught up in a your own very trap. If the hadiths have said so many absurd things that can not be brought to light without being blushing, so who is to blame? the editors or writers of the qurian or whom? When the hadith has it that you should drink camel's wine or that when you release gas your prayers are invalidated, then you begin to question the saneness of the authors and the persons being quoted.

Both the qurihan and the hadtihs are just a mockery of intellectualism and rational thinking.

nossycheek:

It is rather funny how people react to issues because of deep rooted hatred. As far as I am concerned the thread is an exaltation to the Pope. Instead of praising him for at least being ashamed of the ills of the priests people like cgift decided to unleash their long held hatred when it is not even warranted.

Hey madam, do not take things out of context. Since when did spotting out erring variances become hatred? Of course, they (the pharisees/saducees/doctrinals, etc) hated Jesus for daring to tell them the raw truth. Am I surprised? Not in the least. Brand me anthing you like, it wont stop me from correcting some misgivings and misconceptions people like you harbor in their minds. If anyone thinks that the pope is a christian (or Christ-like), he is mistaken and misinformed. The truth is bitter hence, it will always elicit bile from people with whom it does not go down well with. Yea! thats why it is a forum, state it as they are. What if i even tell you that the pope's seemingly pitiful countenance or stance is only deceitful and not heart-felt? If you know the pope, his office and what he stands for, you will not fall flat for such cheap image-making gesture by the RCC and its leadership. Their middle name is deceit unless they just changed it about an hour ago. You need to seat down with reverend fathers who ran away (not exterminated) from the RCC and hear their claims.

nossycheek:

To start with, that the Pope felt ashamed that such a thing was being perpetrated in the church shows that Christianity or Catholicism (before you crucify me) does not support that but the author/poster forgot that the founder of his religion aka the Great religion is a reknown paedophile and such remain the practice in their so called religion where canal defilement of kids are welcome rather than frowned at. And that does not stop them from recycling women (marrying, divorcing and remarrying raised to power infinity)

That of MO and his companions is a done deal. We all know that MO would probably have gone for a two year old if he had lived longer!

nossycheek:

MC Usman - You would have been happier if your paedophile and womaniser had a better morale background than he displayed to the whole world. i weep when I read of his sexual escapades

Dont forget that MO had the strength of three men according to one of his wives in the hadith ~ in other words, he was okurin meta

Get it straithened out. Christ and the new testament teachings admonishes us to expose falsehood. I stand for that my dear.

therationa:

Anyone knows what the Arians and athanasians thought the nature of Jesus was?

tell us.

huxley? your questions will become very boring. Cant you open a thread for each one of them?

babs787:

Oyakhilome fulfilled Jesus' statement that fake pastors will arise and deceive so many and on that that the fake ones will say Lord, Lord, did we not prophesised/heal in your name and he would tell them that go away from me, you evil doers.

Let me read more tory please

What is musing you babs? On what audacity have you come out to call someone an imposter? You surely are a son of your fake prophet MO! We can confidently call MO a fake even right from words of his own mouth in the Qurihan and sayings from the hadiths but not Pastor Chris. You cant tie Pastor Chris with the wordsof his mouth but MO? You will tie MO a million times cos he was just a clever fictionists!

What are your questions? Put them on lets discuss.

MC Usman et al, you guys are new to this forum i believe and i wont nail you for that. Pilgrim and others have duely confined catholicsm to where they belong. It is public knowledge that they dont belong to Christ. Revel in your ignorance till tomorrow chanting jihad songs, it does not change the facts that Catholics are not for Christ especially at the core center; the Vatican. Facts have these because they do things that are actually anti-christ in nature. So please in your wildest imaginations and in a bid to have a good discourse of real christiantiy, just desist from referring to them as Christians. Forget the claims of they are the mothers of christianity and others, the gospel truth is that they dont preach and do the sayings of Christ.

Seeing therefore the lamentation of the pope does not move my feather in anyway. We have always known this but unfortunately, the adamant will always think catholicism stand for good. No. They stand for inherent evil. Catholicism is like a leviathan that cannot change its skin. It may pretend, but beware, when the time is right, its true self will emerge and catch you unprepared.

We have taken time to confine most of their doctrines, teachings and Catholicism to the dustbins of history. Go figure out! So, dear mu'slim friends, raise your level of thinking and conception of Christianity. No Christian will ever defend the pope or try and make any sense out of this story you have up there. Its only the catholics that will defend themselves and in vanity at that.

Bottom line: the call to priesthood as ordered by the authorities of RCC is not divine. It is aimed at something entirely different which some of the priests themselves do not even know! Their priests are called Christs and creators of Jesus especially at mass - the same reasons why they burned people at stake and exhumed unborn babies from their mothers for not consenting to their demonic doctrine of the sacrament. And since their call is not divine but human inspired, they are still highly susceptible and often fall into such temptations since they have no grace backing their priesthood. Let me even give you a shocker: Do you know that St. Alphonsus, their reverred author and a canonised priest wrote that a priest is allowed to fall into sin (sexual) twice or thrice a month and so long as it is not more than this, he is still very much a priest that he is! Now tell me, if you legitimise sin or fornication for your priests, why dont you just given them the go ahead to marry instead? This tells you there is more than just celibacy to the priesthood system in the RCC. I wish you could read in between the lines.

For me, Catholcism is not materially different from I'slam. They can both co-habit as they share many things in common. So, if i were you mu'slims, i will be defending the pope and not exposing him. Have you forgotten the pope once kissed youor Qo'ran? oh o o

tpaine, redsun, imhotep, its an interesting topic you guys got here. I am a fervent believer in this fact that science was created to understand God the more. Science does not in anyway invalidate God, rather, God can invalidate science since so many things are beyond scientific explanations. For starters, why is it that the smallest unit of the human body, the cell, is so complex and difficult for science to comprehend its creation after all this while?

Of a truth, scientists know the components/consituents of a cell, yet, they are unable to bring all those components together in a lab to form a cell. Why? The day i will stop seeing atheists and no-God proponents as stupid is when they are able to create a single and simple cell.

For outright unbelievers and full atheists, why dont you ask yourself whether the statue of liberty in America came their by accident or was formed from a big-bang or whether it was created by a sculptor? If your answer is that it was created by design, why do you look at the abysmally complex world and they conclude it came by accident or that it was not created? Look at the faces of past American presidents on that Mount in America? Did erosion fashion their heads to now look exactly like the faces of past presidents or it was by design? Anything that makes sense happens by design not by accident.

May be a little quiz for my evolutionists friends: have you asked yourselves when you as a human will eventually turn into say a lizard? After how many billlion years? What will you evolve into in the future, a tree?, a goat? i need to know? When will evolution stop and what will orchestrate its halting?

If you cannot prove what you believe in and then you start referring things to hundreds of millions and billions of years ago, then you must be simply deceiving yourselves. Where you there?


Let me correct an impression. Christianity does not surpress gifts, talents and abilities. it rather sharpens them. It does not suppress freedom of expression and leaves room for good discourse. Its only the Catholic church that does not leave room for intellectual discourses and we have since on this forum declared them as non-Christ-teachings-people. In Pentecostal churches, you can question and you are challenged deeply to rational and intellectual discourse. great inventors and discovers and scientists have been christians and no doubt attributed their feats to a firm belief in God. so what are you talking about reasoning suppression? May be islam allows for reasoning subjugation also.

Thanks be to God, we have a well documented history of the mission of Jesus Christ to the world. Facts have it that his existence changed the world. You will understand him better when he comes to make his abode with you. cheers!

see a faithless generation. Walk up to them and declare what you want with your money in hand, it shall be yours. Why loose hope even before trying things out? haba!