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Micuilles:
Where were you & what did you do when Christians were being murdered like sheep in the north?? what did your Buhari do when his brothers were attacking christian children, women, & helpless people in his communities?? Bros I beg park well. Christians do not have the heart that Muslims have. That's why a sane christian will never support a Muslim against another christian. Despite the fact that this administration has not done badly, you will hardly see a northern Muslim support gej. even some Muslims in the west have followed suit. if not for the gullibility & selfishness of some "so called" Christians, this should not even be a topic for discussion because you can not be on the fence. Is either you are for Jesus or against him.

I can only say I'm glad not to be a christian like you. Exactly what aspects of Jesus do you portray or reflect?

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Arysexy:
Stup1d op

Do u know in the north GEJ supporters are not only called "arne " infidels, unbelievers, they are also hunted down, attacked and killed.

U are very f00lish to write this jargon.

BTW Why did u change ur topic title from GEJ supporters are funny to GEJ supporters are his enemies?

Please provide evidence of your claims about what happens in the north.

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ramdris:
Buhari need not do much cos GEJ is his campaign Manager. With the way GEJ is ruling, Buhari should just relax.

Lol, you make a good point.

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Bitojoe:
sha-tap.... the same thing happened in ekiti, in the last governorship election when APC thugs were tearing the shirt on anybody wearing anything belonging to PDP.this later result to violence and APC killed an innocent person.

Please supply the news links. Proof. Not just casual allegations.

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WisdomFlakes:
You are so on point with this comment, and I share your sentiment. I see Rochas as probably the next Nigerian President after GMB coz of his across-the-board appeal. But it seems the average South Easterner hates his guts coz he's neither in APGA or PDP. That, to my mind, is warped and twisted.

I beg to disagree with you on Rochas as the next president. The reason is simple, the APC represents the mainstream of yoruba politics which has been out of power since 1999. Obasanjo was more a creation and imposition of the military, and core yoruba politics has never embraced him. After waiting so long and building their strength and unity to what it is now, I can understand why they would think the next turn would be theirs.
A question that must be answered is this. Why are there almost no Ndigbo politicians of cross-state appeal in the East? Why is there no consensus on what Ndigbo want in Nigeria? Why is there no one or group that articulates the desires of the East effectively in a way that galvanises support at all levels of society and also speaks agreeably to the rest of the country?
A yoruba politician can not expect to prosper if he thrashes the legacy of Awolowo and to a lesser extent Jakande, but Azikiwe and Ojukwu have lived to see horrible proof that their influence does not run deep when it comes to electoral support. It makes me wonder because in the north and west you have 'great' governors of the civilian era (Jakande, Rimi, Balarabe Musa, Fashola etc) but in the East we see some vilified like no other (vaguely recalling Mbadinuju).

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lazsnaira:
I must admit that yours is the Most Intellectual response so far! Thanks!
Sometimes a lot of people assume that questions are thrown up so that we can abuse ourselves or accuse ourselves, but no, as a new generation of Nigerians we must learn to observe and discuss even the most sensitive of our national issues without having to resort to rancour and vituperations. Because it is only through dialogue and discussions that we can learn to live and love one another.
Once more, thanks for your intellectual input.

Thanks for your kind words.

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One thing you must understand is that Buhari’s appeal is to a large extent personal, based on his known history and his lifestyle and his vision. That is why he is acceptable to large numbers in the North and across the nation. I have seldom heard him speak about his local government or state such that I might be concerned that he is some petty ethnic chief. That is important for national appeal. He has also given himself good exposure with his previous campaigns. Now based on his political strength in the north, the West recognised a sellable product that they can live with as a partner in power. Thus there is an alliance of equals united in pursuit of the same goal.
The Igbo equivalent would need to also have a demonstrable appeal across the whole east. There is no way around that. But the states are politically fractured with pdp controlling the majority and APGA and APC having one state each. Some Ndigbo may laugh at Buhari, but he has earned his place in the national consciousness by sheer endurance and determination. Jonathan that cruised to power has proved utterly unsuitable and perhaps because he has really never had to refine views and fight for his beliefs. I'm not exactly sure what Ohaneze stands for but in the West we know Tinubu has overthrown Afenifere while still keeping some faith with the Awoist tendencies. Arewa also has its own style.
The Igbo Buhari /supporter would be more focused on the ideas the man brings to the discussion, the policy, the things he wants to achieve, and not simply the fact that he occupies, or wants to occupy a position. The position must be used to the benefit of the country, especially the average Nigerian. I like Rochas and hear good things about him, but politics at its worst is a game of numbers, and the party will ask, how many votes will this man bring to the equation. It may be that he needs to go through the vice president slot first, but if his own home based is still multi-fractured, that time and discussion may never happen.

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barcanista:
Bros, if you read my message you will observe that I never made mention of North/South or States. I specifically made mention of tribes. Lemme tell you something, I get angry when ppl praise a leader because he's our brother or sister. As for pilgrimage, government have no business with who goes to mecca or who goes to Jerusalem. The pilgrimage Boards should only take care of proper organisation but the pilgrims are to pay . This is what Rabiu Kwankwaso Is doing. Anyway, what binds us is stronger the the divisiveness of the elite.

I understand that. My quarrel is that I see Nigerians everywhere in Nigeria behaving badly without a thought for the next person and then they imagine their 'leadership' should be something radically different. How is that possible? Politics does not change behaviour, it is simply one of a multitude of professions. If murtala mohammed had sacked obasanjo for corruption would we have been troubled by him and pdp for 8yrs? But no, he was advised that with obasanjo as the most senior military man of yoruba origin, it would look like the Hausa were chasing their ethnic rivals out of power... End result, corruption endured because obasanjo did not learn a hard lesson. Who suffers... The whole country. Jonathan has carried the example to extremes.
Even at the basic level, see how we drive on the roads, see how public servants don't see their work as one of rendering service to community or nation, but as an exercise in salary collection while awaiting pensions. Hospitals that turn away accident or gunshot victims. When the bus driver stops in the middle of the road to load or discharge passengers, he is telling you that he and his affairs are of primary and exclusive importance and he has no time to consider others. The lecturer that preys on students for cash or sexual favours... He's telling you that educating you is not as important as satisfying his own needs and desires. But instead of us to come together to challenge a bad thing, each one of us just hopes to make it through without attracting too much (negative) attention. Fela and Fawehinmi must be so depressed in their graves. So few are the people who stand up and say this is wrong and work to change things. That is why some people remember Buhari well, because he was a shock to this perpetual slide we seem to have embraced. When it comes to asking who is responsible, we all point, but change things, we all sit down - too busy, tired, scared, doubtful, timid. This is why bad people enjoy ruling this country. Once we vote we think we have done enough, when the battle has actually just started.
If we look at the increased derivation funds to oil producing local governments, are we seeing any visible or credible developmental efforts? Are we even asking? Has any of those areas become a hub that generates jobs, economic activity that has significantly lifted it's own people? There is little special about the Nigerian elites, only that they have more money or access to power or the powerful. But the mentality is much the same. If we don't start pushing consistently to make the changes that will improve our lives where we are (not back home) we will be leaving exactly the same issues for the next generation. Already we have been talking about electricity, pipe borne water and roads for the last 40yrs... We need to do more, and do it better, smarter. South Korea under a military junta set about its development plan taking a cue from Japan. China has borrowed from Japan and the USA and here, we're still struggling to articulate something meaningful because we don't appreciate the necessity and significance of it. Once Nigerians were indeed proud to say we were the giant of Africa but these days it really sounds like a bad joke, and the responsibility for that is in every one of us.

“Some of us were promised N100,000 each if we come here (Abuja). Later, they said the money had been reduced to figure of N50,000.”
However, what aggravated the anger of the clerics was the way they said they were shabbily treated. “What is so annoying now is that they eventually gave those of us who came from Jos N5,000, and then doled out N3,000 to those within Abuja axis. It is regrettable to have come here at all,” he said.

If this is a cleric speaking, the Nigerian church needs to find God. I'm just flabbergasted

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msmon:
This man called Mu'azu is very articulate! Probably the best asset PDP has.

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In contrast to Jonathan?

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thaoriginator:
Koro is a thief and tout

If you remember Koro from his days in AD, before decamping to pdp, he was really an island boy, very raw and unpolished. He has brushed himself up through the years, much unlike Jonathan, and that impresses me but all the same his crooked nature remains unchecked.

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ionsman:
Why telling us you have spent up to 3000 naira on cards?
Naija sha.

You mind person?
It would be obvious to someone with a brain that the money does not come from Buhari’s pocket, but was contributed but friends /associates for them to present for pr purposes. Happens all the time.

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Muazu the invisible... All this 21bn they are sharing... Diaris God o

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Nobody defending the poor Imo girl? Her GEJ-supporting brethren confused? Just wondering... Lol

barcanista:
Thank you for this question. Bros, I may sound too hard sometimes but please try get my message. Nigeria need a roundtable discussion. I'm not advocating secession in anyway, I'm talking about system adjustment. Everybody and group is feeling marginalised. Igbo, hausa, yoruba, ijaw, fulani, berom,Tiv, Igala, Idoma etc and our leaders are capitalising on it to make more money and control at our expense. Personally, I was broughtup to love people unconditionally irrespective of our religion and ethnic group, which I think you are too. Can this be said of others? I believe everyone will be happy when we state our minds and come to a common understanding to forge a new Nigeria. That is my position brother...

Nigeria fails because in every corner we pursue the lowest common denominator. Yesterday I was trying to point out to someone that even if the state sponsors Muslim pilgrims, the best response is to agitate to end such government involvement, but all he could see was if the Muslim is getting x, we Christians must get our own quota. Thus we invent the unnecessary and diminish the resources available for the common good.
In every corner of Nigeria we seldom call our so called leaders to account. Look at how people are fighting to preserve badluck in office. Same in local government, hamlet leadership because we have all abandoned quality or performance based criteria on favour of rotation and sharing. So when the leader you pick to represent your ethnic nationality let's you down or sells you out, how do you sanction them. Can't you see we have all abandoned reason even at the grassroots but we expect to see it at federal level? Someone I know in a southern state organised women to got to the LG hq to protest the non collection of garbage. How did the people respond? Instead of discussing the job not done, people were saying don't embarrass the chairman, you are too radical, give him time, what concerns you, is the garbage in front of your house? Yes, us in the south that like to boast about education and exposure, and yet still understanding nothing. I think the op has already commented that it seems Nigerians don't really like each other, and I feel this even within tribes and villages. When we cannot be disciplined at the smallest unit, when we tolerate injustice and celebrate mediocrity, why should we imagine the federal level will be better? When you see disputes such as the aguleri/umuleri (spell check), ife/modakeke, a similar tussle in cross river where one community says the settlers they gave land over a hundred years ago should pack up and leave... Don't you see that it is too simplistic to imagine there is a north/south thing that is exclusive. We can be a very strange and disturbing people at times but our problems are exacerbated by our dishonest conversation and lack of critical enquiry. (more later... Nepa issues)

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agabusta:
Are you saying 100% of Yorubas going there have been able to get theirs?

Or Ijaw, uhrobo, jukun, efik, bini, kanuri....
One person does not collect pvc and it becomes a tribal issue? Everytime I pass the collection point, I see hundreds of pvc's and rarely any people looking to collect them.

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IgboMonk:
Lol i wanted to tell her that when she will abandone this thread and run for her dear life will soon come, this is opportunity every southerner is wiating for to vent their anger and spit their venoms on them.
Imagine someone from an obscure location trying to launder and already dead image because Seun has given you opportumnity to extend your phalanges and the rest of the world will know you exist, lol imagine trying to flog a dead horse abeg.

Lol at Northerners and misconception...op wake up and apologize for this thread bc you opened a can of worm.
I hope that after the troll you receive here today over this thread you will not incite your people to start slaughtering Southerners like ram.

On the contrary, we are not all simple-minded bigots like you making a nuisance of yourselves in this thread. I very much appreciate her comments, and will never for one second support those who want to divide Nigeria.

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barcanista:
That Bold is my problem with you Northerners notable Hausa/Fulani. It is absolutely fallacious and Insulting. You can't force people into a Union when they clearly are not satisfied. It is not done in any sane society. You may want True Federalism and Resource Control but saying that an average Northerner want same is so untrue. The Population of Northerners that prefers the Status Quo outweighs the ones that shares your sentiment(If they ever exist).

What makes Nigeria a troubled country? It is because every ethnic nationalities are not satisfied with the present arrangement. Peace and Unity can ONLY be achieved if we are sincere with ourselves and renegotiate the unity of Nigeria. Otherwise, an Ijaw man will continue to see others as strangers, Hausa will continue to view yorubas as Strangers, Igbos will see others as outsiders and so on.

Barca, I'm going to ask you a serious question. In all the developed and more developed countries that you commonly read about, how many describe 'tribes' the way we do? Do you know how many tribes are in Dubai, China, South Korea, Brazil, Mexico, Russia... I am not one of those Nigerians you talk about for sure. Nigerians flock to countries that are well governed and that generally provide for the common welfare of the citizen, and when they get home, they put on their local glasses and start to see tribe/ethnic nationality as their foundation. We are Nigerians, and what develops Nigeria, is good for Nigerians.

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sirrinky:
Nigeria never ceases to amaze me

Just 'whitle' abi? Bad marketing. Proofread your graphics.

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scribble:
some Nigerians have fish brain

some want a Northerner and a muslim like them

There is too much poverty, ignorance and no education in the North

Social Media has been basically bought by APC who pay everyone from omojuwa, ogundamisi, Saharareporters etc to sway public opinion on Twitter etc

People are disillusioned with GEJ and dont see his successes because his PR machinery is not that strong

Abeg just read chimamandas latest article for more informate

Abeg. I'm a christian from the south. I support and volunteer for Buhari as do millions of others. And I support him because he is everything Jonathan isn't. He is principled, frugal, a nationalist, and has experience in dealing with corruption and insurgents. The APC has also presented a better manifesto and appears to have more focused people in it (see the responses to Soludo) who are willing to discuss issues that matter to ordinary people. There is more but I will stop there. We are not bigots,religious or ethnic.

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No recording a la Ekiti rigging scam?

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Fake news! Shagari is better educated than the forger of that letter. "Vengeance intention" lol. Please tell me how Shagari will write an open letter like this and Okupe has not told us, Guardian did not carry it, This Day, Sun News, Punch, Vanguard etc etc, nobody of any relevance printed it? Even the website did not attach any journalists name to it, perhaps fearing libel charges? Mtcheeeeeew #fail

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This same Atiku abi? Na wa for pdp cheap lies! The man is a member of Buharis campaign organisation jo. Donated 50mill and a dozen jeeps, loaned helicopter... But you can keep deluding yourselves sha. No wahala.

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kestolove95:
Gej shud give boko haram close marking not apc chieftains...

I pray he hears you. But i'm not hopeful at all.

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IdiAmin1:
Endorsing Buhari for just the purpose of returning power to the North is nothing but idiotic stupidity

Who told you their purpose? Isn't it more likely they are tired of the president who has failed to protect them for four good years?

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theoctopus:
Nobody needed to explain. Its just that APC supporters are daft like. Buhari.

His analogy was very clear and he did say clearly that according to Nigerian laws, twoo men sleeping together is corruption. But I guess you didnt hear that because you were too busy trying to understand the jargons Buhari was spitting out on CNN

But according to your president it's only two unmarried men, so if they are married it is not corruption abi? Lol. And wasn't he married when he himself had children out of wedlock?

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Lolz. Perhaps he is trying to remind his christian brethren that he banned gay marriage so even if they are still jobless and being destroyed by corruption and boko haram they should still vote for him? (A President who always needs translation... Smdh)

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Jonathan has left the pdp weak and divided against itself. The same policy he carries on with Nigeria. No consequences for bad behaviour, only begging to suit his personal objectives. Even Babangida, a pdp member has endorsed Buhari, no action taken. You see why thieves rejoice to have him as leader. If senior figures speak against the script they have nothing to fear.

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We shall see if he pursues the case to the end, abi. It is easy to file but the trial will be very embarrassing for the government, mark my words. There are too many verifiable facts that are in the public domain for him to stand any chance of winning, and losing would automatically make him liable to criminal prosecution for election offences. But then again, I see this as a smokescreen to cover their shame until the election is over.

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I think Amanpour had good info on Jonathan so she was bossing him about like he was a nobody, and he too was looking diminished. Perhaps this is how NOI and Co handle him in cabinet? The Buhari interview was short and I think they had briefed him to keep his answers short as time was limited.

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Popular lawyer, Femi Falana, has attributed the shift in the dates of the general elections to the leaked tape alleging the rigging of the Ekiti State gubernatorial election last year.

Speaking at the Black History Month and Dr. Beko Ransom Kuti Memorial Program in Lagos, Wednesday, Mr. Falana said some of those implicated in the plot, who were threatening legal action, should think otherwise.

An audio recording revealing how some Peoples’ Democratic Party, PDP, chieftains connived with security agencies to rig the Ekiti State election was released by an army officer last week.

At the meeting, as evidenced by the recording, prominent officials of the PDP were heard discussing strategies for rigging the 2014 Ekiti governorship election, a poll in which the party eventually won by a landslide.

But some of the actors, including Musiliu Obanikoro, a former Defence Minister, and Ayo Fayose, who defeated the incumbent governor, denied being a party to the plot to rig the election and questioned the authenticity of the recording.

Mr. Obanikoro had also threatened a court action against news organizations who had published the conversations in the audio tape.

Despite their denials, the Minister of Police Affairs, Jelili Adesiyan, who also attended the meeting, confirmed Sunday that the tape was authentic. He however disagreed with the context of the discussion, saying the meeting was never about plans to rig the Ekiti State election.

Speaking Wednesday, Mr. Falana said that none of the participants in the recording had successfully challenged the army officer’s account of the incident.

“I understand that Mr. Obanikoro (whom he described as a ‘thug’) says he will go to court. I can assure you here, I dare him to go to court. He can’t. It’s not possible,” said Mr. Falana, a Senior Advocate of Nigeria.

“One of the reasons they postponed the election last week is that disturbing revelation by that Captain. That is what they wanted to do for the entire country. That revelation has sent them back to the drawing table. They now have to re-strategize.”

Mr. Falana criticised President Goodluck Jonathan for “embarrassing” the country with his repeated trips to the Holy Land, instead of channelling such funds to job creation.

Since he became the President in 2011, Mr. Jonathan has travelled for pilgrimage twice.

“I was reading the papers yesterday, the president said in violation of the peace accord, that governors in the north have not been sending Christians to Jerusalem. In other words, they have been sponsoring Muslims to Mecca,” said Mr. Falana.

“Please tell the president that there is no provision in our law for sponsoring anybody to Jerusalem or Mecca.

“Section 10 of the Constitution provides that the Nigerian State shall not proclaim any religion as an official religion. Therefore, appropriating billions of Naira every year, wasting money to send people to Jerusalem or Mecca is illegal.

“If you must know, less than seven per cent of Israelis are Christians, so they make jest of us. When you descend on them, that you are there to worship Jesus Christ, they’ll be like ‘are these people Ok?'”

Mr. Falana also insisted that the general election must hold and whoever emerges winner should be allowed to govern the country.

“And I’m challenging Edwin Clark and others, all those old men with expired ideas. Femi Okurounmu and others,” he said.

“We never saw them when we went to the streets of Lagos and Abuja to proclaim Goodluck as acting President. You were in the streets of Lagos, where were these characters? They were nowhere to be found.

“In fact, quote me. Baba Clark called me in one of our protests, ‘Femi, my son. Please keep it up. We from the Niger Delta cannot join this struggle now.’ I said why sir? He said ‘because he’s our son.’ I said what has your son got to do with the quest for justice?

“Professor Wole Soyinka, at the age of 71 (he was actually 76 then) led us in the protest. Please tell them this country belongs to all of us.”

On the issue of deployment of soldiers during election periods, Mr. Falana noted that nowhere in the Nigerian Constitution, Electoral Act, or the Armed Forces Act was a provision made for soldiers in election.

“So when they told Jega that they are going to be busy in the north east and they will not be able to secure the election. Please there is no provision for those Service Chiefs to police our election,” said Mr. Falana.

“Under Section 76, Section 116, Section 132, and 117, it is the exclusive responsibility of the INEC to fix dates for election. Only INEC. Not the president, not the NSA, not the security chiefs.

Knowing that, they then came in fraudulently by saying that they cannot guarantee your security.

“They have not been able to crush Boko Haram in six years, what magic are you going to perform in six weeks? Please we reject their fraudulent claim.”

Mr. Falana maintained that it is the duty of the police to maintain law and order in peace time.

“Soldiers have no business in town in peace time. Their duty is to defend the territorial integrity of our country, not to police election,” he said.

“That is the business of the Police. As a matter of fact, even Boys Scouts can police elections in Nigeria. You know why? On the day of election, there is restriction of movement. It is illegal for you to leave your ward for another ward. Only journalists, observers, and election workers can move round.

“So if everybody is restricted, why do you need soldiers to come and help you? To do what? But I will tell you why they need soldiers. You know why they need soldiers? To rig the election. To manipulate the process.”

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