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nengibo:
So even with the "60-70% Igbo" they don't feel safe speaking Igbo, you guys are just hilarious, I can now see its their oil you are after, a quick foray into Abia state would show you the lack of companies and good Road network and general backwardness, who would want to leave the beautiful state of Rivers to go to Abia? No one in his right mind, states are usually demarcated by Natural boundaries and dat is what put oyibo lga in Rivers state.

Going down the insult lane has shown how petty minded you're but lemme graciously attend to your concerns
1] if states were created via natural boundaries as you asserted then why didn't the FG using that same natural boundaries logic of yours carve omuma into Abia since its on the Abia side of the Imo river Egbema that was divided into two with the oil rich portion shoved into Rivers state.. What concerns it with natural boundaries It all boils down to the logic that the Ijo were greedy for oilrich Igboland and the FG was all too glad to oblige them bkos they helped in fighting the Igbos in war
2] no Igbo tribe is greedy over the resources of another... Abia just like Anambra is a blue collar state, so no one gives a fukh whether your land is pouring out oil like a spring. So no one even notices that the ukwa has oil... Southern ukwa knows where their family is located, and they want to be with them wherever they're. And trust me,other Igbo tribes have noticed and are now ready to ensure that the northern and southern ukwa are reunited once again in Abia state.

In short like you nengi said... Nobody wants to be in a place they're tolerated,they wanna be in a place where they'd be free to express themselves. The southern ukwa know they're simply tolerated in Rivers state, that's why they wanna go to Abia where not only their kith are found but where no one would heckle them for being Igbo

nengibo:
The question is what progress has the Ndoki people in Abia made, are they faring better than the ones in Rivers or you are just repeating this anti-Rivers sentiment that most Igbos have,

The southern ukwa know that they'd fare better than they're currently thats why they've been unrelenting in their agitations since mamman nasir did his boundary adjustment abracadabra in 1976.
The SE states that produce oil viz Abia, Imo and Anambra have oil producing areas commission...whose job is to ensure that whatever dollars their soil produces is given back to them to compensate for whatever degradation their environment might suffer,unlike Rivers that uses their oil money to develop only PH
Another reason is the ethnic factor.... Abia is 99% Igbo unlike Rivers that's 60-75% Igbo(depending on whose statistics you go with) and so they feel more safer in Abia than Rivers because in Abia, everyone speaks the same language whereas in Rivers they can't even speak their tongue bkos Igbo isn't a recognized language in Rivers state.
So the reasons boku... And more and more Igbos even as far north as otukpa agree that obigbo needs to be returned back to Abia state!

EVarn:
Chad was invaded by Nigerian troops during the era of Shehu Shagari,it was the backing of France that prevented our troops(then led by Lt Col Muhammadu Buhari) from chasing the fleeing chadian soldiers into their capital,Njadema.
These officers should better shut up if they do not want a repeat of that incident.

I nēme oke uzu
Have you not heard that I get am before no be property France during the Napoleonic wars was almost invincible but that didn't stop the unified German states from thrashing her mercilessly at sedan 55years later. That the US defeated two big powers in WW2 viz Nazi Germany and imperial Japan didn't stop her from defeat 20years later by the Vietcong

The Nigerian army is as corrupt as corrupt can be...and moreover the patriotic ideals are very low so battle hardened nations like Chad can make a short work of the NA if it comes to that. Go and read up how Chad dealt mercilessly with Libya during the Toyota wars

nengibo:
U kept mentioning Asa and Ndoki but your title says Ndoki Governor

Asa and Ndoki are the two legs of the ukwa tribe. So an asa can speak for ndoki and an ndoki for asa.

Joey abeg no mind that Rukwo guy...its their hatred for anything Igbo that put Rivers where it is today and quite unfortunately, the ihuruohna are using their methods against them with great effect
The ndoki were separated against their will from their kiths just north across the dew river(Igbo:Anyim Imo) due to Ijo greed in 1976 and in as much as they've been demanding since then to be carved back to Abia, they reserve every right to produce the next governor of Rivers state. Even the first governor of Abia state was a man from afikpo by name ogbonnaya onu and that didn't stop sani abacha from carving afikpo zone of Abia into Ebonyi state.
So while we're waiting for obigbo to be carved back to Abia state where they'd join their kith there,its pertinent that they produce the Governorship after wike

Ndoki wu oli
Chukwu gozhie nde ndoki/asa no n'abia na Rivers.
Chukwu gozhie Ali Igbo dum

nengibo:
Move out Ndoki Imposter, we know your kind, all u know is to cause confusion in Rivers state

So we should now listen as regards ndoki affairs to a foreigner like you over an ndoki son like Joe
You must be the biggest joker of the century

nengibo:
Move out Ndoki Imposter, we know your kind, all u know is to cause confusion in Rivers state

Of course ndoki has to be in the brick house...at least that's the least you can do for them after making the FG annex them to Rivers state in 1976 against their will.
The southern ukwa want to go back to Abia state where their northern ukwa brothers are...but if you concede the brick house to them they might reconsider

That's to say that the ogane was located 1000-1500km East of Benin city...which automatically places the arc on that Nri/Igbo-ukwu/Isu axis.
Since this is from the 1500s...and it was documented by the Portuguese who had no bias for any of the ethnicities in the area,I'd go with it as factual

Tflex01:
So if Oba of Benin is clamoring for the dualization of Benin-Akure or Benin-Ore road, we can assume Yorubas and Binis are up to something serious together right?

Nope...it simply says that the Chief of the efiks recognize the economic benefits of the uneghe Nation and wants the link btwn them strengthened. Its just the case back then where nations around imperial China paid tributes to the ming and qing courts to access the Chinese markets

YelloweWest:
I am both Ihuruohan and Rukwo.

N'ali ihuruohna we deal with where your father is from... And not mother. Nda gi o he obe ole Nda gi o vu ihuruohna ka o vu Rukwo

The yellowe you bear says it all...you're a Rukwo so focus on your Rukwo people and stop interfering in Igboid affairs unless you want the Igboid tribes not just ihuruohna alone to interfere in Rukwo affairs and you know how messy it can get if we do

fratermathy:
I don't really care about this summit because it is not the first and won't be the last. So far, nothing has been done. South-South minorities like us never fail to realise that the Nigerian nation recognises only THREE ETHNIC GROUPS (IGBO, YORUBA, HAUSA)! The rest of us are like pawns and the nearest neighbour, being the Igbo, never fail to use us to their advantage, with sinister motives or not. I don't want to go into the politics of this forceful SS/SE union but I want to make some facts clear here as an Urhobo/Isoko, a Deltan and a SSner.

1. Obaino860 declared on this thread that SS is 90% Igbo and that all SS groups, including IJAW, speak Igbo and bear Igbo names. That is a blatant lie. It is lies like this that make us mistrust the Igbo motive in our affairs. In the SS, ONLY Delta North (Anioma) and Rivers (except Ijaw, Andoni and Ogoni) have connections with Igbo in any way. These people do not even make up to 20% of the entire SS region so where then have Obaino860 gotten this fact from? Urhobos/Isokos speak their own mutually intelligible languages that ARE IN NO WAY RELATED TO IGBO EVEN REMOTELY, Ijaws speak numerous mutually unintelligible languages that ARE IN NO WAY RELATED TO IGBO, Ogonis speak their own mutually unintelligible languages that ARE IN NO WAY RELATED TO IGBO, the Ibibiod ethnic cluster speak their own mutually intelligible languages that ARE IN NO WAY RELATED TO IGBO, Ekoi/Bette-Bendi/Ejagham and other Cross Riverian groups speak mutually unintelligible languages that ARE IN NO WAY RELATED TO IGBO, even some so-called Delta/Rivers Igboid groups, like Ukwuani, CLAIM to have their own languages!
On the issue of onomastics, the aforementioned groups, exceptions maintained, have no names that are similar to Igbo names. If there are any of such, it is pure happenstance and they definitely mean different things. Even culturally, the SS non-Igboid groups HAVE NOTHING in common with Igbo. This status quo is maintained politically and otherwise.

2. The SS/SE have every right to meet and talk about their future, just as the SS has same rights to do so with the SW, from whence many of the Edo/Delta groups politically evolved from. There is NOTHING special about this meeting. It is simply a political move engineered mostly by the SE, hence the Owerri location. The SS groups have different struggles from the SE. Although some of our struggles (such as true federalism) may overlap, we ultimately have different problems and aspirations. No matter how much we look at it, Igbo remains a MAJORITY ethnic group in Nigeria and thus, directly or indirectly, its people have joined the rest of the country to loot the SS region of its natural resources.

3. TippyTop, and many others, opined that the SS (especially the former Mid-Western Region) look up to the SE! This is another provocative lie to massage the Igbo ego. The former Mid-Western region comprises modern day Delta and Edo States and the people of these states, save for the 30% Anioma people in Delta and 1%(?) Ika in Edo, are IN NO WAY related to the SE politically, culturally or otherwise. In fact, I can assertively state that the South West and the North hold more influence in the SS (especially Edo/Delta States) than the SE does. This is especially true of our migratory patterns. Urhobos, for instance, NEVER migrate to the SE except something IMPORTANT takes them there. This contrasts greatly with the SW, where we have settled in large numbers. Same applies for Isoko, our sister tribe, and the pan-Edo groups. In fact, it is Igbos that settle in our areas.

4. The SE should start by getting its acts right and putting its house in order before extending whatever hands of friendship they want to. It also behoves the SSners to define THEIR FUTURE BY THEMSELVES!!! No group/region was appointed as our mouthpiece. In fact, no pan-SS group CAN EVER speak for the individual groups in the SS region. Each to his own tent. The only thing that binds us all together is the geopolitical term "South-South"! Consequently, the said summit that this thread informs us of is simply the device of a FEW people who have their own intents. As an Urhobo, I only pay allegiance to Urhobo Progress Union (UPU). Any other socio-political or economic group that claims to speak on behalf of my group is simply delusional!

5. On the issue of Biafra, which someone brought up, almost all the ethnic groups in the SS, including Urhobo (UPU), have made their stand clear on this. There is no need beating around the bush. Biafra is an IGBO ONLY affair and I support it wholeheartedly. Take your Igboid groups if they want but never extend your reach beyond your borders to drag actively or passively uninterested groups into it without proper consultations with the designated mouthpieces of these groups.


Finally, I stand for unity at all times. Nigeria, as a nation, needs unity. If this means that we have to extend hands of friendships to our closest neighbours, then we should. However, we must draw the line between unity and hegemony. When larger groups attempt to hegemonise smaller groups, caution must be applied. In Nigeria, political interest is all that matters. As it is now, the SS and SE have different political interests. Any act of unity is done simply by virtue of the NIGERIAN CAMARADERIE SPIRIT!!!!, NOTHING ELSE!!! So all those cogitating deeply on the said summit should stop reading meanings to things that are not there.


Semper Fi!!!


***If you quote me to spew bigoted bunkum, I will use your own medicine against you.

Exactly bro!!!
Always speak for your Sobo people... Just as a Rukwo has the right to speak for his Rukwo people.
The Igbos whether SS or SE speak for themselves... And if not for the fact that there are Igbos in the SS,no Igbo would even give a Bleep about the SS.

vantage001:
Give me one reason right now why you would gamble the other way.
Tell me one thing that the SS does as well as the SE. Absolutely nothing.
The SE is more educated, more resourceful, has more specialized human resource and a more established entrepreneural base. The SE even in Nigeria currently has the lower poverty rate. And i am not even talking about the social order that a single ethnic provides that is absent in the disorganized, entropic south-south who would most likely erupt in a free for all ethnic struggle for who controls what.
The only thing the SS has more is oil and the atlantic. And those are not enough to build a prosperous nation in the african context.
A smart gambler knows where his bet lies.

I nātupuru ofeke ahu onu
Gbachie onye ikpa ahu nkiti Biko!

Algebra12:
Why are you being pained by the progress being made by the two regions?

Or you want them to live in perpetual enmity ?

He's one of the numerous Ijo haters Igbos need to be wary of... Since getting to know of the extent of Rukwo hate for Igbos, I've never for once deluded myself with the thought of being in the same nation with them.
Nde Rukwo bu ndi kacha kpo ndi Igbo asi na mpaghara SS ahu...ya bu na o bu oke na oru ndi Igbo ihu na ekpochapuru echiche Ijo n'ihu uwa a!!

YelloweWest:
Because we Ikwerres don't want igbos claiming ph.

Nye Rukwo a ka nēdo l'avu nde ihuruohna?
Nēfefufe ishi

PDJT:
If you don't mention me in that thread, Chukwu Okike will not be happy with you.

Hahaha
E nyela onwe gi nsogbu...m gēmeghe ya na mpaghara omenala ka ndi akawo juputara na mpaghara politika ghara ila ya n'iyi.
For example the word for Chukwu using this script is
神(chi) and 大(ukwu)...so writing the two together gives us Chukwu. A kam nēpoko ya...mmecha ya,o gākpotu!

DrinkWater10:
how about your project on 'Nsibidi' writing system?

I had to suspend that for the time being bkos of certain things.
The Hanzi writing system which am adapting for Igbo language has gone a long way despite my starting it not too long ago.... And am basing the script mainly on traditional Chinese bkos that's what the other nations that used the script viz Korea, Japan, Vietnam etc are familiar with.
I'd soon start a "learning" thread to that effect

Feraz:
Similar to Nsibidi?

I hope and pray this comes to fruition!

Imagine working in a financial hub in Onitsha, catching fun in Owerri, checking up your farm produce and processing in Abakaliki, going to the producers of the shoes you wear in Aba, getting petrochemical things in Asaba and living in Enugu all within short distances. Such bliss.

Of course brother its very possible... With high speed trains shuttling btwn agbor in the West and abakaliki in the East, same as btwn nsuka in the North to afam in the South, who says its not possible
When we upgrade the airports at Ahaba, Enugwu, Owerre, Igwe Ocha while building another at Afikpo...who says its not possible
Nigeria is drawing us back,and Igboland can't make progress while tethered to Nigeria

blues20:
We are already working on something close to it. A complete portal.... more like a suite with social media capability. I'll follow you so I can keep you posted on progress.

I've a team working on project HanGbo,which essentially sees to the use of Chinese characters in writing Igbo. We've achieved quite a milestone and we're moving forward.
Soon I'd kickstart a thread in the culture section regarding it

This reminds me of buhari in the 1980s...he dumped the vice ekwueme at kirikiri while the main person himself shagari was housed in a palace under the pretentious term "house arrest".
Yet some stupid Igbos would come and tell me...one Nigeria






























M ma gi ura ehh...I hazhie onwe gi

DocHMD:
This is why whenever I see an Igbo man deceiving himself and preaching 'One nigeria'. I feel like mauling the buffoon.

I tell you those Igbos are the biggest fools I've seen

Afriifa:
That's why Biafra only Exist in your dreams because the south south and their opinions are like assholes. Lol(seems I provoked someone)


up BIAFRA!

Nope...
I don't get worked up over stuffs like this...
The ish I'd that Nigeria is a conglomerate of tribes so its usually advisable to stick to yours.
You're Rukwo... So speak for your Rukwo people. Don't speak for an ogoja man in CRS or a kukuruku in Edo bkos they're in the same "SS" like you.
An Igbo from SS has the right to speak for SE Igbos... Just as a SE Igbo has the right to speak for SS Igbos. Just as you'd tolerate Igbos meddling in your affairs is the same way an Igbo would tolerate meddling in his own affairs from you.
Let's be properly guided

Afriifa:
see how foolish you think? Can't I have my own opinion again? Do you guys even understand English language at all?

Of course opinions are like assholes..everyone has one

Afriifa:
men to me Niger Delta is just the Six states in south-south, the inclusion of Imo and Abia is just to distort our Unity as a region. So let me tell you.

To an South-southearner. He is a Niger Delta. You should be busy claiming south-east and Your Biafra. Perhaps, are you tired of chasing biafra?

Nigerians and dumbness are like five and six. If its the Bible the question would be what communion has God with Mammon
What relationship has an Edo with Mmoŋo What relationship has Rukwo with Ogoja??
SMH

Probz:
Igala language is officially classed as Yoruboid. That's what their language is defined as and this shakara you're doing on this thread doesn't change that.

You're trying very hard in being nice to that Igbo stalker...he's not worth the ache

bigfrancis21:
I've always concurred with this. This is an area that further linguistic studies need to be performed on. Standard Igbo has 36 letters of the alphabet and this is only for 'light' dialects like Onitsha, Enuani etc. Complex Igbo dialects like Ngwa, Ikwerre, Abiriba etc. have way more letters in their speech form, for example 'wh' (owho/ofo), 'nh' (inhe/ife) etc.) that could be up to 40 or 45 as the case may be.

Exactly...
Am thinking of starting a project that'd see Igbo alphabets expanded to 40 with the inclusion of three more consonants and a vowel.
The vowel is what I'd call "æ" which is a sound like e but it works like a and its found in borderline dialects like ika, izii, ekpeye, abiriba etc.
The other consonants are ts, pf and bv which are found in Eastern Igbo dialects like izii and isobo.
On the contrary, I think s and sh should be merged because I've noticed that in any given dialect,one form is usually prevalent. Maybe we can find a letter that'd cover the two sounds so that speakers can alternate without qualms

kpaminose:
Stop fooling yourself Mr IPOB. Asaba massacre didn't happen because they were Igbos, but because they were sympathetic to the Biafran cause. It's two different things. Many Aniocha Oshimili communities that were found to be one Nigerianists were not massacred.

Stop deceiving yourself man!!
When the IInd DIV came and found out that the bridge had been blown up, instead of launching a landing like that of Normandy or marching north and crossing the river at idah like they later did, they decided to stay back and kill every male in asaba,as they had done at ogwanshi Ukwu and iseile Ukwu.
But unlike that of ogwanshi and iseile that weren't well known, the survivors were able to cross the river into Biāfra and tell their stories, which reinforced Biafra's msg that Nigeria was out to kill every Igbo!
Nigeria started killing Western Igbos at Benin and Warri... And when the Biafran armies were thrown out of agbor and asaba they extended their massacres to those areas.
The Anioma were killed not because they expressed pro Biāfra sympathies, but bkos they were simply Igbos!

tutudesz:
Boro was shot by a Biafra soldier! check you history my boy and sorry for replying later was at work.

which Biāfra soldier According to Rukwo commanders during the war, the place that Boro was killed(I think its around PH) had already been cleared of enemy forces the previous week...so if the place had been cleared already is it now the spirits of the dead soldiers that'd rise up and kill boro?
Anyway to prevent an uproar Nigeria blamed his death on "fleeing" Biafran troops and quickly split up the Rukwo brigade that Boro commanded previously and sent its soldiers among the various battalions that made up the 3MCD. These soldiers lost their lives fighting the Biafrans in the bloody battles of Igwe Ocha(Port Harcourt).
Anyway am sorry to the Rukwo that Nigeria had to stab them in the back after using them to drive out the biafrans

Afriifa:
True. but Country doesn't work that way.. Ijaws are there in Ondo state. but do you see us forcing them to claim Niger-delta as a distinct republic? no that's a sacrifice. come to Kwara state and Kogi you will see Yoruba lands, do you see Yoruba including them in their Odududwa republic? it doesn't work that way.. those geopolitical zones are what we speak for. not tribes or a strange name(biafra) even in the world at large. e.g cameroon and Nigeria has thesame scenario . this is not the first such will happened. if you want to achieve Biafra.. forget anything you have inside the South-south region. if not your quest will forever be in dreams.

So you want us to leave half of Igboland for you Just bkos they're in the so called SS? Anyway I'd not answer at all...I'd tell you what I tell your likes,go and stand in the way when we come for SS Igboid tribes. I'd be so sorry myself on what'd fall upon you and your tribe if you think in that direction.
I know you're Rukwo... So it'd be wise to mind your Rukwo tribe,don't poke your eyes into Igbo affairs just bkos they're in the SS with you.

tutudesz:
Urhobo, Ijaw and Itsekiri have all come out to say this useless Biafra does not concern them and delta north will soon come to tell them too so they should leave delta alone. Na by Force

Keep waiting for a region that produced 40% of Biafra's leadership to denounce the people's republic.
Don't worry Anioma state is on the pipeline... My people need to be free of these lazy igabo, chekri and Rukwo people.

tutudesz:
The great Boro was shot in the back by a coward from the Army led by another coward.

Guy only a friend shoots from the back... And if boro was shot from the back that means he was shot by a friend, and that friend can't be Igbo!!

tutudesz:
Anioma is still part of Delta state in the south south part of Nigeria and not the south east of Nigeria. So who is eyeing South south territory?

I don't believe in that SE/SS trash...what I believe in is Igboid, Edoid, Ibibioid etc and Igboid territories span across the SE/SS. Keep eyeing them like the landgrabber you're and we'd pluck out your eyes!

tutudesz:
stop dreaming Delta north is South south and not south east

So you're now eyeing Igbo territories in Anioma Don't worry we'd soon pluck out those eyes of yours