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 Christianity Etc › Re: Making A Case For The Marine (Mamiwater) People by chieveboy(op): 7:41pm On Sep 30, 2022 |
The Marine World is not just another place to be, with people living the best moments of their lives far beyond what the average earthling would dream of. It is a 'legit' place of existence much as how an earthling baptized the physical side of Earth as a place where God ordained for people to live. In simple words, the marine world and it's inhabitant have right of occupancy much as an earthling would on accept earth as the place to live out one's existence. Much like their are people in other planets who based on their spiritual state earned the right to live in other planets, dimensions, so the marine people who live in Water. Cont.... |
| Christianity Etc › Making A Case For The Marine (Mamiwater) People by chieveboy(op): 7:37pm On Sep 30, 2022 |
One of the wonders of creation humanity will one day find out is the Marine or Water World among many others like cities, villages, towns, countries etc existing brazingly along side ours but is not visible to human eyes and sensoria. We have to groups who consume this subject: One who had inundated us with complains about "being possessed by marine spirit" and who make it a duty to invite "Holy Ghost Fire" to consume the occupants of this world because they believe they exist and all they do is possess and destroy earthlings and whose existence is a fraud and handiwork of the 'devil' The other party will scoff at the idea that a whole 'tangible' world could exist in Water with people who born, love, marry, fight, die, and exist all in a world other than earth, inside Water because they've never seen them or and or because this world is not placed in a conical flask and analyzed yet by their approved source of information and data. Cont'd. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Please Who Has Successfully Got Deliverance From Marine? by chieveboy(m): 7:12pm On Sep 30, 2022 |
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| Politics › Re: Tinubu To Pacify Adamu, Governors With 2,000 Appointments by chieveboy(m): 8:08am On Sep 30, 2022 |
This is what leads to corruption 12 Likes |
| Travel › Re: Nigerian Man Deported From Canada For Killing a Parrot by chieveboy(m): 1:13pm On Sep 28, 2022 |
He carried this s. tupidity of killing anything at sight to where karma lives |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With Eckankar Religion by chieveboy(m): 12:04pm On Sep 28, 2022 |
Templee333:He allows people even ECKists to go through a karma if that is tied to their spiritual goal for that life and if the person had not learnt the lesson the karma comes with. A person who comes to a life to learn how to be generous but finds their self born in a stingy home, friends and family is likely not going to have that waved away if they have not realized they are actually stingy themselves. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With Eckankar Religion by chieveboy(m): 12:01pm On Sep 28, 2022 |
Templee333:1: Karma naturally begins to dissolve immediately the sufferer learns the lesson the karma they created. If it's caused by stinginess where "all my family and uncles are stingy", the person must beginnto be generous themselves. This one is outside of what the LEM does. 2: Since the LEM is the administrator of Karma for his Chelas while the Lords of Karma does same for the general public, the LEM too does away with karma if the Chela has done well spiritually. If they've learnt the lesson and such. 3: The LEM uses Chelas' Karma to teach. Anyone which is not necessary is dissolved into the ECK stream or arranged for a Chela to have the karma in the astral plane, say a car accident for instance. The karma is paid but the Chela is fine here. 4: Singing the HU. This is when you make contact with the light and sound of God. The river runs into the forest and trees that must go do go! This is you standing in the light with live and reverence for all things you hold holy. You build stamina gradually till you can handle much higher currents of the Holy Spirit or ECK as we call it that you become a Spiritual Traveller. Eckists like to suggest you sing Jesus, Rama, Krishna and all that if you belong in the religion to make you feel at home perhaps and because it is a more direct way to contact the ECK... I say don't waste your time! I am referring to you Temple333 in particular. Everyone has their Panadol and by the look of things, your Panadol MAY be different from these, I am not sure but you be the tryer and judge. Please note that the average Christian may sing "Jesus" or "Jehova" or "Jesus Christ" for about 30-1hr WITH LOVE and get results. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With Eckankar Religion by chieveboy(m): 11:33am On Sep 28, 2022 |
Templee333:Preamble on Karma Karma is actually not punishment despite it being why someone will be born without eyes or poor. It's like this: 5 people are given leeway to marry 100 women. The first was feeling 'bombastic' at the prospect of this and took 30 at a go and impregnated them because it was sweet and he was blessed with energy. 'Like that-like that' and one decided to take only 2. The women are the karma. The guys are souls who think everything is free. The guy who took 30 got to find he has to take care of over 30 children, feed over 60 people and so on. His karma is much and he will learn the most lessons albeit difficultly. Karma hence is 'Cause' which we put into motion that leads to different 'Reactions' like the guy above. This can be killing someone and then having the person killing us back in another time as our wife and we ask God "why me lord" or say "eyah, innocent man". It can be anything. It's merely Cause and Effect. As it comes back to us, we learn. After learning, we are able to be more responsible. Like this-like this and we become clean of all Karma (Pure). By then we are the Harold Klemps, Pythagorases, and so on. They all were once bad boys at one time. You can see why this painful universe is created. It however does not need to be painful. Just do everything to be compatible with the law of Love and you are often okay. So Karma is the teacher here and an experiential one at that. This is why we are here, to do 'anyhow' and learn from it. Everyone NEEDS both good and bad Karma. The prodigal son is more valuable than the "good" boy who remained at home... He has experience to his name. SUGMAD wants Souls to have experience. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With Eckankar Religion by chieveboy(m): 7:34pm On Sep 27, 2022*. Modified: 7:58pm On Sep 27, 2022 |
Templee333:Yes. He isn't responsible to anyone. You however find that people who serve in this spiritual office obey all laws including the laws of men. The mark of spiritual maturity even as in the Bible is humility and all those virtues of Love Paul mentioned ("Love is not puffed up", etc). Anyone (not just the LEM) who claims to be spiritual or Godly must be humble, Loving and kind, else they may be hypocrites. Does that also mean that the law of karma doesn't hold him?Anyone who makes it up to the Soul Plane (High Initiate) must have resolved all their Past Life Karma. They only have to deal with Daily Karma. The LEM is someone who has made it to the tenth plane and I addition occupies the highest spiritual office in all universes of God. He hence is someone who is absolutely Karmaless and above the law of Karma all instance of it. They however do take on Karma for reasons that serves the purpose of all under them and if they wish to. Some of the powers the LEM enjoy is the spiritual freedom to manipulate or outrightly destroy the karma of anyone, tribe, city, planet, galaxy and son if they wish to or based on cogent reasons. Only the Masters can do this. It also sounds like u r telling us that sugmad isn't the creator when u said that the LEM is not answering to any of the creators.The "creator" is a lesser being than the nameless, indescribable being we refer to as SUGMAD. The "creator" based on the illustrative map of the universes I posted somewhere on this thread is the ruler of the Lower Worlds (Fourth Plane downward) known as "Brahm". He has other names you are familiar with. Much as it is not a contest, the "creator" merely was created and made the 'transformer' for the pure energy of the ECK emanating from the world's above the world's of duality so as to create a 'twinity' out of this singular pure energy. Purpose of which is to make it possible to create conditions as sweet/bitter, joy/pain, up/down, etc else it's not obtainable in the pure heavens. These conditions temper soul. They are the tools the "creator" uses to purify Soul. No soul can escape beyond his realm and he presents himself as the king of kings and all that exultation and titles as part of his duty. Only in the company of the LEM or the ECK Masters can you pass beyond the third and mental plane. Else, you think you have arrived...the story of religion... Sorry a religious zealot moderator banned me for creating an Eckankar Sunday Service thread. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With Eckankar Religion by chieveboy(m): 11:11am On Sep 24, 2022 |
ECKANKAR is an advanced science which the world has been catching up to
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| Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With Eckankar Religion by chieveboy(m): 8:47pm On Sep 23, 2022*. Modified: 2:52am On Sep 24, 2022 |
Templee333:ECKists like to be apologetic at times and diplomatic when answering this question by 'beating down' the truth behind Harold's picture or any of the ECK masters by "reducing the volume" behind Harold's image or any of the ECK Masters. I don't some times. They however do this to cater for the spiritual immaturity of most people which attracts derision and contempt. Long story long: Any image of a city is a potential wormhole to that city for you to Soul Travel there and even take your physical body along. This is a feature of every body. There is an American Movie called "Jumper", I hope you know a lot of scientific discoveries (Truth) are let out codedly these days mostly through (sci-fi) movies. You can use the picture of Mars to "jump" to that planet and see the people and cities there. Actually, the only way SUGMAD can SAFELY 'come down' and walk among ITs beloved souls in the lower worlds to lead them back to their true nature (or home) is ONLY as the Mahanta the LEM! Make the connection... Now, SUGMAD is omnipotent, OMNIPRESENT and Omniscient, The Mahanta (inner master) EMBODIES this nature!! So he is Omnipresent and omniscient (inwardly) to KNOW and BE in their picture just as it is your destiny to achieve this state. However, since the picture is a 2D image, it only can do much as a picture can which is serve as stepping stone for the imagination as I hinted earlier. This is what any picture is. The ECKist is merely trying to use it to help the imagination and strike a connection inwardly to meet the inner master even though the Master is standing there in the Soul body. You need to assimilate this statement pls. Also,i'd like u guys to explain (if convenience) what's the problem between Klemp & Gross.Was all the suing (if true) necesary?I had a problem with Harold too. I thought a God-realized being would forgive and sort things out, out of court. I was being naive and myopic. The courts, hospitals, law enforcement, etc are extensions of the long arm of the justice system which administers Karma and governed by the Lord's of Karma non-locally in strict obedience to SUGMAD. Even the physical life is the spiritual life and one has to use the next available tool to solve a problem. When someone becomes the LEM, they take no directive from NO one, not even another ECK Master talk less of say one of the rulers of the lower world who created the heavens and the earth, talk less of those who made men in their image, much less a president. They answer directly to SUGMAD!! Darwin Gross felt different... Remember for the sake of current context ( the earth world) ECKANKAR is registered in the USA as a religious organization even though it is not just for the papers and books. The courts are necessary to sanitize things physically on paper. And,one more thing,do u eckists agree that one can find God without the leadership of Klemp? And don't think that i have anything against the whiteman,just that it seems to me that the eckists regard him as God.No body is without God. A story was told of a mystic who had an encounter in the inner worlds during his sleep and saw God in IT's magnificent love and splendour. He was so awed that he didn't want to stop looking or wake up from that experience. What did he do? He grabbed the sole of the robe of God tightly and not letting go. He must remain here he determined. He was miffed however to find himself awake in bed holding tightly to his own gown. The morale is the same thing you have heard several times but could not contemplate accepting this for a fact: That Soul or 'the You' animating your bodies including the physical body is actually a particle that was detached from the body of God such that you make up this "God". How then can you say you are looking for something when you are that thing? Harold tells you that his job is simply to lead you to REALIZE yourself. "Man know thyself", "Don't you know ye are Gods?" This though does not mean you become God (SUGMAD). Noteworthy however is that the office and position of the LEM is equals to 'SUGMAD-in-flesh'. There are other offices ran by others that is equals to 'Kal-in-flesh' and continues like an echo down the spiral of command and up again to SUGMAD. All of these echos are what the psychic/religous paths you can and have tested yourself in your Seeker Journeys. oh want to factor in the job of Kal Niranjan and see what to expect. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With Eckankar Religion by chieveboy(m): 7:12pm On Sep 23, 2022 |
efficiencie:Oh, I see clearly now. What have I been doing all this while (?) |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Please Who Has Successfully Got Deliverance From Marine? by chieveboy(m): 2:45pm On Sep 23, 2022*. Modified: 4:38pm On Sep 23, 2022 |
Jen96:Did you try the ECK way of resolving this? A short for it is, learn how to sing HU (pronounced "Hue) from the Eckankar Website via this link https://www.eckankar.org/experience/hu-the-sound-of-soul/ The HU may not eliminate it overnight and it may do so. Just know that divine spirit gave you the best for the current moment. This can come in many ways. Cheers. 1 Like |
| Politics › Re: Wike: Ayu Worked Against My Emergence As PDP Presidential Candidate by chieveboy(m): 1:43pm On Sep 23, 2022 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With Eckankar Religion by chieveboy(m): 10:57am On Sep 23, 2022 |
Templee333:I believe you had this experience elsewhere in your adventures right? Notwithstanding and regardless, the ECK initiations are preceded by an invitation which the recipient is to accept within 6 months of receipt. They could decline (which rarely happens). ECKists look forward to the invitation slips. [quote author=efficiencie post=116888883] Sounds like they are forcing you in the dream...as den nor wan force you for physical...cos I know you will not agree to go to the water to call one spirit wey go use your tongue sharpen knife! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With Eckankar Religion by chieveboy(m): 1:43pm On Sep 22, 2022 |
efficiencie:Yes it has. Sorry it's get hard for me to type small lengths... I will also like to call out this '"scientifically proven" syndrome. The idea that if it's not published, it's not true or doesn't exist, what that really? and how ludicrous  You sound like a good candidate for whatever you want to avoid by waiting for a Figure Head to give you a go ahead to prove things and accept by yourself. You have to understand that Science had long since moved on away from the Disco wry/Publication norm into Discover/Covet/hide or even mislead others norm. It now is controlled by interest groups for money, power, security and politics. No more Science text books and publications for discoveries that matter  This not to mean you cannot be pointed in a direction for scientific work on the subject. You only risk yourself getting mixed with mysticism and religion because they meet, they must! Also understand that (your) Science's job is merely to play Catch Up with what is known before humans developed a languaging system. That's what science do and does. So If I were to see the Andromeda galaxy from a telescope and I begin to think of the beauty of the galaxy from my current location does it mean that my soul traveled some 2.5 million light years into the past (considering that there is no way my soul would have existed at such a time unless you want to assume that all souls have always existed)? Answers please!The image then would be an 'entry point' (portal) to that time track or object of interest so much that when the attention is fully given, you would have veered of this moment into full and real-time observership and interaction. This is a truth you have been familiar with all this while. You just are waiting in vain for one scientist to give you a go-ahead to make yours this fact. "Are you with us" said to someone is an instance and statement used to 'bring someone back' to a discussion (timetrack/moment). The actual person is not with them as in a burial, he is somewhere else, why? A person stripped of all bodies and faculties is a State of or Unit of awareness! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With Eckankar Religion by chieveboy(m): 7:18am On Sep 22, 2022 |
efficiencie:You must have read in the Bible where Jesus said something in the line of forgiving someone before praying? The technical reason for that is that of what I will call 'Associative Causes' and the simple meaning is in the saying "where the attention is, the body follows". "As a man thinketh...". Sadness, regret, worry, anger, jealousy etc automatically takes you to the realms where this energies reside, so you won't see anything heavenly. Have you heard us talking about Soul Travel? Just know that any time you think of something, you have Soul Traveled to where that thing is in the universe to see it. Are you connecting the dots? To approach God, you MUST come with a pure heart. Failure to do so may result in failure why? Because you are seeking the living among the dead. How can you come to God with a pure heart? Very very simple. You simple muster all the love you can if you must say "pim". This is the simple key all this while-Love. This is because God is LOVE ITself. This means anytime you feel or perform Love, you are actually feeling or 'performing' God, you are in the realms of pure heaven not lower heavens where hatred, worry etc reside. It's a travel thing. If you cannot muster love nko? A simple way to 'get in love' is to think or reflect on something or someone you love. Boyfriend, husband, child, toy, place, food or even an event that had happened in the past or that you expect in the future or even if fictional. You can think of when you met your lover. What people don't know is that all the positive forward pressing energy of LOVE is what that Sound (HU) is and it's a God given gift to anyone. Eckists use it because they have explored the science of God and found its qualities. Today it appears as if it's a property of Eckankar. Not so. There are other sounds also and none can be the property of anyone or organization. So anything not love that you do in association to God puts you on a 'long thing'. This goes regardless of your religion or method of contacting God you're using. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With Eckankar Religion by chieveboy(m): 6:58am On Sep 22, 2022 |
efficiencie:Interestingly, High Tension is a child's play in wattage and voltage compared to this same Holy Spirit that manifested as tongues of fire or sound of the rushing winds to people in the Bible. These are ways it can manifest. You must have read how it blinded someone in the Bible too... I hope you know that electricity itself is just a small scratch of the Holy Spirit which permeates everything that scientists 'modified' and today called "Electricity". The reaction of the Divine Essence on certain elements may result to things like electricity, temperature, gas, matter, atoms and all things else. In it we live move and have our being. Just asking ohh. What is the divine current? You need to explain, please.In the church it's called "Holy Spirit". This can be misleading. It's actually a current, an energy. We in ECKANKAR call it ECK. Some call it "Logos", "Holy Ghost" and many other names. "God" is said to be derived from the word 'Good'. This word does not reflect this Divinity if the Supreme Creator. The science of meaning and understanding by their self can grant you access to a lot of spiritual freedom. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: There Are Over 5000 Gods Being Worshipped By Humans, How Do You Know Yours Is Th by chieveboy(m): 10:23am On Sep 20, 2022 |
| Crime › Re: NDLEA Recovers Crack Cocaine Worth N193bn From Lagos Warehouse by chieveboy(m): 6:53pm On Sep 19, 2022 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: There Are Over 5000 Gods Being Worshipped By Humans, How Do You Know Yours Is Th by chieveboy(m): 2:52pm On Sep 19, 2022 |
elated177:No despite to that. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: There Are Over 5000 Gods Being Worshipped By Humans, How Do You Know Yours Is Th by chieveboy(m): 11:32am On Sep 19, 2022 |
elated177:In the order of command, YHVH is placed along the line. He has lesser deities responsible to him. People have met these lesser one and will kill you if you told them there is a superior deity to that. They do not know any better of course and you can't blame them in a sense... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: There Are Over 5000 Gods Being Worshipped By Humans, How Do You Know Yours Is Th by chieveboy(m): 7:07am On Sep 19, 2022 |
elated177:I know the being referred to as "YHVH" too well. One of the training in the ECK study is to meet this being who is the channel for the creation of the worlds of creation, and by this extension CAN be said to be the creator... It's why we can place him where he belongs in his God-assigned place with regards and regardless to and of his accruing power, majesty and all that. Some people fall for that splendor but we move on beyond his realm with the help of the Supreme Deity which functions as the 'Mahanta the Living ECK Master'. I am sure this may sound like tales by moon light to you, but the things of the Holy Spirit goes without an external approvals and beliefs... Please disregard whatever I have said here that you think is bullocks and move on with your current path giving it your all. Like I said earlier, that's all that matters (for now). |
| Christianity Etc › Re: There Are Over 5000 Gods Being Worshipped By Humans, How Do You Know Yours Is Th by chieveboy(m): 6:39pm On Sep 18, 2022 |
elated177:In lay man terms, knowing which God is the creator does not cook beans. In other words, above knowing which God is the creator is knowing yourself as Soul. This is called 'Self Realization'. It means to see yourself in you true image beyond your lower bodies (physical, astral, causal, mental and etheric). When you have this experience, you will be in a better position to place YHVA et al in their rightful places. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: There Are Over 5000 Gods Being Worshipped By Humans, How Do You Know Yours Is Th by chieveboy(m): 11:21am On Sep 18, 2022 |
elated177:The point I am driving is: if a path is okay for you, that's all that matters. Learn all you can as you give it your your best in the YHVH path |
| Christianity Etc › Live ECK Light And Sound Service 18th September 2022 Via Zoom by chieveboy(op): 8:33am On Sep 18, 2022 |
You are cordially invited to join a live Eckankar service online via zoom. Enjoy INVITATION TO AN ECK LIGHT AND SOUND SERVICE |
| Christianity Etc › Re: There Are Over 5000 Gods Being Worshipped By Humans, How Do You Know Yours Is Th by chieveboy(m): 6:37am On Sep 18, 2022 |
elated177:This right here is all the matters. You walk the path because that is what you must thread as far as your current state of consciousness is concerned, but of course I e couldn't have done otherwise. That's why evangelism is indeed a futile effort. On the bolded, what were you saying there?A path is indeed a means to a destination and can only lead there. The bolded is a meaningless comment as it were. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Love God? by chieveboy(op): 7:43pm On Sep 17, 2022 |
[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=116760377]It obvious you need some logical explanation to grasp what i'm saying! You're here posting links [/ quote] Everything alright? Where is the link please? instead of this your gods to speak directly with everyone yet you're here inviting peoplehuh? . At least they supposed to equip you with knowledge and wisdom instead making you their publicity manager calling people to come and experience fabricated videos from the spirit realms all in the name of "ASTRA TRAVELS"  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Love God? by chieveboy(op): 7:00pm On Sep 17, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:I have seen where you console yourself in an effort to fan the embers of spiritual sleep and slumber that demons are running the show when people have Soul Travel experiences and see or hear things one can't describe or are unlawful to speak. See, Soul is So powerful splendid and majestic that the idea of housing it in a physical body is to shut all that maverick up--to debase it so that it could dwell in an imperfect planet and so some awful things and learn from that. The body is it's school uniform. Unleashed, it can burn down a planet! But lo, here you are mentioning entities of very low vibration in same line with Soul  If demons are of interest to you, they are right there in the lower astral realm looking for a miracle seeker or marabout to enter into contract with and so on. Actually what you guys do with that demon line is to scare the sheeples and keep them in check. It's to invalidate any experience any one could have had just so your story would remain the only valid one while your flock is kept in check This (however) is ECK! Only for the bold and courageous!! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Love God? by chieveboy(op): 4:44pm On Sep 17, 2022*. Modified: 5:00pm On Sep 17, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:See who is talking about convincing with reasonable point  Remember you are part of the ones who are totalling 144k and are the chosen o, and you only read it from a book o, I on the other hand said anyone is equipped to explore any planet, Time track and whatever they wish to to verify any event of their choice without waiting to argue it out on Nairaland. Is that too hard to comprehend or accept? Eckankar is not a theory or a "them say" path. We already have too many. Here you prove God for yourself. Not read about IT or be told about IT. Likewise the Holy Spirit. You experience IT. Reading and mentalizing or debating these THINGS are just a massaging of the intellect that offers you nothing at the end. So sir, make this God in Jehova Witness a reality in your life via a conscious experience of him. It is not after you die. It is very possible. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Love God? by chieveboy(op): 3:51pm On Sep 17, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:Very simple: you should be there to see things for yourself so you prove beyond even reasonable doubt itself. Seeing is believing they say, though we say "if you see, you no longer "believe", you know"! |
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