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Thanks and more grease...

[quote author=SeunLanLege post=50474474]

Don't know what this question is supposed to achieve

Its supposed to open the mind of both parties taking sides to the point of animosity that:

For God to exist (Theism), God must only exists where it doesn't or in relation to its absence or anything that corresponds to its opposite(atheism),

Also, for God to not exist (Atheism), this absence or non-existence must only be based on its existence (Theism)

A clearer picture is this: if you find your self in a "valley", that you recognize that the place is a valley means a "mountain" is beside you. The valley happened because of the mountain and vice-versa. Talk about "left" and "right", 'up" and "down" note that all these pairs exist because of the other, if one ceases to be, then both stop existing...

but obviously in physics there's no such thing as "anti-enerygy", so the idea that everything in the universe has an opposite is false.

l beg to differ...even saying or recognizing that energy exists is actually admitting that somewhere, or somehow, it is lacking or insufficient or non existent.

legalwealth:
Thanks for that though it might not be genuinely from your heart because you have bad motive against my reputation.

Lol you giveth and taketh at the same time

But honestly eh, Just accept 2sexynet's criticism. Why? a customer is always right!
If your client base is expanding, expand your staff base accordingly now. Don't you know either way "water will always find its level"?
Its a basic law of nature! You cant beat nature!

TheSixthSense:
You mentioned me and I believe I also believe all you mentioned have read the post but completely ignored.

Those list was copied and pasted from a post. I know little of their 'NL-repute' You can't be so sure they ignored anything here. And it's an honor be deemed worthy to provide answers by way of Mentions right?

I only suggested what you have to do to get responses but you obliged. Great! because it was only a suggestion as previously stated

On the contrary, threads are meant to be read or ignored. You can only comment if you have something to say or in this case; have the answer to the puzzle, else you move on.

everyone mentioned would ask: [b]'Who are you?

lol I get where you are coming from. You assume their are 'title holders' on nairaland eh ? Focus on the substance of the thread not me or any religion.

It's not about me really, it's about the question and how Atheist and Theist (Christians etc) seem to not recognize a factor in life.

Thanks for your input so far...bye.

TheSixthSense:
You still haven't stated what your beliefs are and haven't provided answers -from your personal view as an eckist- to your question. . You said personal view as an eckist without telling what that means/is. Anyway, you don't have to but I think to get the responses you desire you would have to say much more.

l will tell you mine when you rather focus on the Topic by answering the question. For Pete's sake l opened the thread so people can answer or attempt to answer the questions...not me asking and answering at the same time. Its why NL is a forum.

It is a termed a "personal view" thread so as not to imply Eckankar 'official' approves or disprove Atheism or Christianity. This has nothing to do with my Religion at all. l am Chieveboy first before am an Eckist. So its a Chieveboy's thread...who is rather an Eckist.

You may not admit it but the thread portrays you as the arbiter so why don't you get involved so the atheists can 'enlighten' you on your religion

Please am literally groping to hear Atheists and Christian's view on the question, kindly beam that light of enlightenment on the question instead.

the thread portrays you as the arbiter

If you paid attention to details, you wouldn't keep saying this. Please on the Original Post, examine why l stroked "futile". l
l could have opened another thread for this question: what do you think l meant when l said "my futile attempt..."? but l sensed l could well ask you here

The Original question is a puzzle, do you have an answer or not?

TheSixthSense:
chieveboy why don't you state what you believe as an eckist before acting like a ref

That one is coming.

Meanwhile you should understand my stance...l know acting as a "Ref" is actually futile and not that 'serious',
If this is so, the motive for opening this thread then is for Atheist and the Christians (especially) to solve the riddle/puzzle, then they can continue the rivalry proper.

proper Put yourself and your religion in the spotlight. Let's see your answers to your questions.

The title says "...personal view..." just to tell you guys its not official...in a sense, and that readers should know where l belong.

Talking about "...spotlights..." l wasn't the one who opened the numerous 'pro atheist' and 'pro God' threads on NL
And please, this is not a bashing thread at all. If you assimilate the semantics of the thread, you'll see that its for enlightenment purpose...meanwhile l can do nothing about people who'll come to insult or abuse.

hahn:
*Superforce will be right back*

...Catch you later

I thought to open this thread as a futile attempt to end Nairaland's Religion-section latest craze: Atheist pissing the Christians off, and the Christians returning the favor.

This attempt at settling the quarrel (if possible) is hinged in the analysis by careful, objective and honest observation of the following question and it's answer(s):


1: Can anything exist without its opposite?



2: Depending on your answer, who is right and who is wrong?

3: Relative to your own answer to the above questions, in you most objective and sanest state, is it smart wise to be Atheist, Theist or even Agnostic in the 'agitative' sense of it?

4: What then should one 'believe', what should we do?

Thanks.

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stephenmorris:
what most of you don't understand is that spirituality births religion, every religion has one form of spirituality rubbish in it, either you like it or not

You have answered your inquiry, just that you limited spirituality to religion only. It is a matter of the Law of Relativity and how it effects the conversion of energy or matter from one form to another. You have spirituality in anything else (that must exist) as the foundation or original of anything physical. It outer appearance was actually the contortion of a spiritual law in relation to the physical Law applied to matter or energy.

If you still do not follow: every thing else can be reduced and represented to mathematical formula, formulas are intangible. To ride a car existing in mathematic formula, one has to 'act' on it by replacing the Representation to their physical counterparts...in order words, you look for the exact physical form to substitude with the intangible 'non-existent' car.

So you beloved physical stuffs and religions are actual 'reduced' or 'represented' Spiritual stuffs: Thoughts, emotions or feelings.[/quote]

if you say spirituality exists then the little "2 year old boy" from akwa ibom deserves to have been murdered or left to die and not rescued by "anja loveren".the so called belief by we homosapiens that there is anything spiritual among us is damn

Another 'dramatized' or physical representation of Spirituality emotion

wrong we think of ourselves but not think of the dogs, plants and other animals,

depending on the kind of 'church' you go to...you should realize that whatever is 'driving' the best of humans is completely same with that 'driving' animals, plants, and minerals. It is termed "Soul" and it wears different bodies on the depending on the universe its existing. this bodies includes mental, astral or emotional, 'alien', 'demon', animal, plant and mineral bodies ( ei rocks)

the fact there is a form of energy that keeps us alive doesn't mean its a spiritual force but rather a powerful natural force , that keeps all other living things alive and therefore we should search out what this force or energy is.

It is an unimaginably immense stream of energy existing in its pure state as Light and Sound. Everything else in its original state when reduced and purified leaves only light and sound. This light and sound is of course energy and is what referred to as Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost etc. Remember it changes depending on the known and unknown Laws of the different universes...as how when two colours mixed changes depending on their innate mathematical qualities. It origin is not on the physical universe at all else energy could have been creatable.

what we don't know in science we don't know therefore we should endeavor to search out and not say its spiritual and above the understanding of mankind.

As a matter of fact if you think science has not established link with the spiritual, you are mistaken. The problem with science is that you have to physically prove to others the veracity of your findings, but the problem is usually the expence and need to for creation of wasteful material devices just to prove a simpler issue. So lots of facts had been relegated to the 'theory' archive...and scientists do not take the word of just 'theory'.

For example l had mentioned how the CIA used a spiritual technique it tagged "Remote Viewing" in its missions. A lot of Scientists for instance visit other universes in 'Soul Travel' and some in 'Astral Projection' and learn in advanced labs which has equipment that makes a child's play of ours...some meet the Einsteins and Darwins in one-on-ones, but cant just come to 'prove' that to others. Actually Science is 'a learner' regardless of its present advancement.
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plaetton:
I have no disagreements with what Nwankwo has written, though I would have , as you rightly said, used more scientific terminology. The meat of his argument makes sense.

But my question remains; Is the scientific method not a better, the better way of discerning reality, rather than the obsession with " the spiritual ".

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In my opinion, nothing is wrong with scientific methods. You risk waiting for ever though, cos it will cost a lot of money, time and intellect to invent the machines that do stuffs done in using the Spiritual : Time machines, inter-planetary space ships, demon-viewers, demon-binder and caster etc.

The US government had gone spiritual. They now sanction stuffs like Remote Viewing, Astral Projection etc in covert CIA operations. Astral Projection can take you to other planet and you could see the 'aliens' this time.

Am trying to investigate the 'fable' of the lost world of Atlantis. These guys built machines which can project someone to another physical locale, and even the Astral world or first heaven like in starwars. They perform complex surgical operations and our present tech is child's play compared to theirs.

Using ones imagination alone and logical reasoning, one can contemplate the difference between Religion and faith...assuming both are seperate phenomena.

Assume you are invisibly with the first man, and by this,l don't mean the Biblical Adam. You will notice that he tended towards any element, being or personality that helped it against harm... identification, friendship, and worship. It's evident in history.

That been said, religion is merely the term people refer their system of belief...and this comes with a good Serving of faith in the dish. Religion is the spoon used in consuming the sea of the knowledge of self and God.

Constant is the fact that a definate spoon is inadequate for this venture much as the hands of the ten blind men with the elephant.

I view people who drop religion as being on the proper path way...cos religion defines boundaries for you to study what is boundless--thats a discord!

plaetton:
Can you kindly give us a reference or links to where this study or experiment was performed or observed ?

My brother, this question of yours and that of sonofluc1fer...I just hope I didn't walk into a den of
argumentative naysayers. Cos to me I assumed you would have figured out logically that concentrated mental activity in relation to an object be it part of your body or otherwise creates...well: abilities like a footballer. Also this 'ability' was an aftermath of an actual growth of certain part of the brain, so why didn't you guys figure that the Before an After MRI scan result and IQ of that person wouldn't be the same? I guess you haven't really understood the concept of 'spiritual' and 'relativity' Meanwhile read:

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/06/what-happens-to-brains-during-spiritual-experiences/361882/

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2002/04/meditation-dramatically-changes-body-temperatures/

On your own, I think you could research how science discovered 'unaccounted' energy in the human body. Further there is th case of a guy who developed mathematical skills after an accident:

http://www.livescience.com/45349-brain-injury-turns-man-into-math-genius.html

...in addition: if you think those guys with 'extra ordinary' brain activity from the MRI tests are the bomb, be rest assured that they are actually the 'learners' compared to others who won't just come out to be tested... Albert Einstein is a joke compared to them.

PastorAIO:
A car carries a person either in the drivers' seat or one of the passenger seats, or if you like in the boot.

Which part of the human body carries a person?

Actually the Pineal Gland or the 'Spiritual eye' aka Tisra til is 'refered' to as the Seat of Soul. It is a spot between and a little above the two eyebrows.

If you do an MRI for someone purportedly having their 'spiritual eye' open, you find extra-ordinary brain activity than the average person. Like Einstein.

This is cos some parts of the body literally corresponds to 'power houses' of Soul. Develop the seat of soul and some will call you an Angel.

I think you are not so contented with your own life to start with...

Ok

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Ovems:
Compassion?! Why?

Looking at him...his apparent poverty, his fate in wherever he is...those hands that looks disproportionate with his body--an apparent malnutrition, and the blessings he's got in large brain mass...I hope he finds a way out...he seems poised for that...l'll have him on my Whatsapp DP. I love him.

Ovems:
The kid is so cute. Chubby cheeks, small mouth and serious expression.

I feel compassion for him

...and what's will you say about the heart?

Wow

Okeyson4wisdom:
Activities in this country makes me laugh and also weep for this nation. What are they witnessing oh, make una yearn me.

Nawa for you o...they are probable victims of the activities of the judges and are ready to testify in court....do you know how things have gone wrong for a Nigerian to say he is ready to testify in court?

kcnwaigbo:
My dear only judges recommended for prosecution by the NJC will end up been prosecuted.No CJ will touch the files leyt alone assigning the cases.Better get it into your head.The DSS cannot run faster than its shadows,it must abide with the confines of the law

Lol you sound like it's bad news to you why?

The guy you quoted didn't say anything different from what you are trying to say...una only difference is on which side ina dey

Ok

People are so engrossed in this marriage of a thing that we see new philosophies about it everyday.

One thing l know is that Marriage is not an end, but a means to an end.

Find love instead and marriage will come (if you really need it)

Ok

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OP you go skul?
This is infact a standard.
It's known as 'suicide vent'

Ok

Ighoga898:
and yet dey will keep on deceiving themselves dat dey like dark dudes.. black is beautiful yet almost everyone at one point in time has bought skin lightening cream.

naaaaa...skin lightening for wot? not plenty people i know sef

expertix:
I brought you this link to digest strictly for you because of your thrust on them: https://www.namepros.com/threads/znetlive-you-decide-what-kind-of-registrar-is-it.977276/

Other nairalanders can also borow a leaf from this incident.

OK, thanks for the link. I twitted at their support and this was their response.
http:///1Ly9as7

And everybody please, am not endorsing Fasthosts, proceed at your own risk. So far am not complaining...cos I think I just got lucky with them. Thanks.