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[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=649817.msg8160576#msg8160576 date=1303187471]You are in no position to tell anyone "grow up", acting like a pre-k student saying, "that's gay."

Vote for who you like. . . but don't be surprised or perplexed if people grow displeased at rigging.

There is always a price to pay for dishonesty.[/quote]I laugh at how offended you are.Definitely a case of crying more than the bereaved.Funny dude,really. Dishonesty indeed that is why your people are being killed in the North.Dishonestly indeed. Kind of why ACN and Tinubu are being accused of selling out SW votes to the PDP. If that's the case, i think there may have been rigging by you Yorubas in your region;however, im yet to hear your people fight against the "imposition of GEJ" on the SW. Yet, you talk about Igbos allow a supposed rigging to be unchallenged.What a hypocrite. The funny thing is that GEJ won and there's nothing you can do but sit in your misery while I laugh . We are talking about SS+SE and you dare bring up CPC as if they are worth 2 inches in either region.Funny. BB=Bye Bye

We voted for who we voted for and you all voted for your own now this sissy Dipo is running around crying up and down like a little girl. Grow up.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=649817.msg8160538#msg8160538 date=1303186577]In fact, I didn't actually see any posts by SS folk taunting. It was Igbos entirely. And you wonder why no one likes ya'll.[/quote]ROFLMAO! Dude, you sound really gay.

Abagworo:
Each passing day I sense what could make others hate we Igbos.A man who stands for nothing is as good as a dead man.

Ezeuche I'm sorry you stand for nothing.You seem to support every evil including Theodore Orji as long as it is PDP.We shall all be alive when the revolution comes and we shall heed our call to account for our evil deeds.Its definitely not far.

I also pray that God treats you the way Theodore Orji treated his people and may your life be made as miserable as PDP made Nigerians.

STFU!!!!!!! You fckin b@stard. If you don't know what to say go lay down! I swear youre fckin irritating. Do you understand what you just said you damn asshole?

I have always thought that Orji would to better in an Pro-Igbo organization,not government. I like his tribalistic nature. Although I want him to step down as Abia governor, so far he has been the only Igbo governor that has consistently spoke against aggression towards the Igbos.

ChinenyeN:
If you really wanted to get an understanding, then you'd let someone explain and you'd digest it as they explain it, rather than try to reason/rationalize it with the color of 'political correctness' you exhibited with your last post (i.e. "I think it would be safer". It gives the impression that simple factual statements are always up for debate. Sometimes, it's important to understand that things are just what they are. So when someone explains something to you, especially if you know you don't know, just take it; take it with a grain of salt though, but don't give the impression that you want to debate something that you yourself may not be too sure of.

Now, addressing your post, I'm really hard-pressed to believe that you know enough about Ngwa history to talk, but I'm willing to hear you out. There's something we'll have to address though, if we're to really continue this discussion and that is whether or not we actually share the same understanding of offshoot. . .

Honestly I don't see the reason for ill temperament. It's because of debate that is thread has gone so far. If you really wanted it(the Bonny issue) to die down you would have stopped commenting a long time ago. Your comment are just adding to the fire. As far as understanding, we understand things in different ways. The way you ingest things is not the way I do,just to let you know. As far as just "just take it, with a grain of salt", i think not. That is something I don't do especially when there is conflicting stories or "accounts" as in this thread, and, by non-indigenes on the area of discussion. As far as not knowing enough about 'Ngwa" history to talk,um i dont believe we were talking about "Ngwa history to begin with. Stop taking offense to something that's not the case.

Now, as for the "poltical correctness" of me making the statement of calling the Ndokis what they are as versus an "Ngwa Offshoots", i think you highly taking thinks too deep. Ndokis are Ndokis and that is what is. There is no political overtone.

ChinenyeN:
As stated earlier, Bonny people gave the account themselves, and as is the practice with oral traditions, one verifies by inquiring from neighboring communities.

"oral traditions" are not always solid or factual. Both the Ijaw and Igbo have two different oral accounts(not to talk of the clans). Who even knows if the Ogonis don't have there own account,im just sayin?

Makes one wonder why there were no reports of ballot boxes being snatched during the presidential election.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=648813.msg8151694#msg8151694 date=1303094036]This is the end result of rigging elections. Mayhem.[/quote]I'd say more like the end result of the sore losers of hypocrisy.

Damn, Daps! You're really taking this Bayelsa thing personal,man.lol

ChinenyeN:
I won't hold this one against you. If I had to guess, I would just say that there are some thing you just aren't aware of. For one, Ngwa's link with Mbaise does not extend to all of Mbaise, just Ezilihitte and some fringe communities surrounding it. The rest of Mbaise is occupied by Isu and Uratta elements. Secondly, population densities of Ezilihitte and northern Ngwa are reported to be about the same, indicating settlement at around the same time (reference the very popular and highly celebrated Imo Crossing tale). Thirdly, Ngwa is more populous than all of Mbaise. Offshoots are not more populous than their origins. If anything, Ngwa and Ezilihitte [i]should [/i]have been the same clan, but the Imo made that difficult. But that's beside the point, being that you can't call Ngwa an Mbaise offshoot.

No need for the temperament, just trying to get an understanding. I am aware about the whole Ngwa-Mbaise(ezinihitte,aboh) you are talking about;however, the ngwa offshoot im not to sure about especially when talking about migration. I've even heard accounts of some of them claiming Benin migration. Anyways, lets go with the "offshoots are not more populous than their origins".  Lets say the Ngwas are offshoots of not only mbaise but other towns beside them(i'm not with the who offshoot of a particular ethnic clan,especially not during migration thought). I think that would be more plausible. With all of this migration going on, i think it would be safer to just call them as they are(Ndoki) and not an "Ngwa offshoot". Seems more like they were just settlers amongst the rest of the Igbos(lets not take into account the supposed benin migration,for now) that were migrating as well.

ChinenyeN:
Okay, I take it that you're also unfamiliar with Bonny oral traditions and how they recount their rout of migration, am I right?

"Bonny" oral history? I think that's the problem that we've been having on this thread ever since,lol. Who or what ethnic group/clan is giving that oral history?

Before Bayelsa was created jonathans area was in Rivers,not Imo.Don't get it twisted.He is not Igbo.

tantayu:
@Chyz*
If you know whats good for this country, you wouldn't want the Nigerian Army to get involved in this.

The same way they are in Abia is the same way they will be in those states so let them keep it up.

I figured that alooooong time ago.

tantayu:
Which army?

Nigerian.

blueNwhite:
Why are Igbo's scared of Fulani's?

Why are fulanis scared of Igbos?

What's new. They never get what they want when they do it anyways. In goes the army.

Nchara:
In light of how Igbos presumably voted for GEJ in all parts of the country, and gave him the spread he needs to win, there should be a new census that reflects ethnicity. That way, we are able to determine what number of people make up each ethnic group.
This is one important Project that Igbos should fight for before GEJ leaves office after the next 8 years .

I believe this is something that can be done with the GEJ presidency. Buhari would never approve of it.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=648868.msg8151196#msg8151196 date=1303085756]I am sure that there exist more than 16,000 each of Hausa, Yoruba in Port Harcourt ALONE.

How on earth did he get only 16,000 votes in such a cosmopolitan city like PH, not to talk of the entire state of Rivers?[/quote]PH is not as cosmopolitan as you think. Lets not get it mistaken with Lagos. It is far from that,trust me. To add to that, it doesn't mean all yorubas and hausas in that city or state voted so that number is believable. Also, what makes you think most of them that did vote didn't vote for Jonathan?

bashr4:
challenge northern results as for the east and south south only if you are out of your mind will you beleive buhari will get votes , maybe you should ask CPC and ACN whythey where shying away from campaining in the east , or you think we are not aware of how both parties rejected eastern vice presidential candidates. they thouth the east was irrelivant so they put their bet on the SW.

Gbam!

From:ekt_bear

Elaborate?

The were many places, voting units, where CPC receive like almost 4,000 votes while the other parties recieved 0. One of the cities i find that extremely hard to believe that could happen in is Maiduguri. It is a city that has been filled with southerners, possibly in the millions, for many decades. There is no way I believe none of them, not 1, would vote GEJ.

PhysicsMHD:
Well, Bonny was founded a very long time ago. Can anyone really know? If there were waves of migrations from different groups, who is to say which group arrived first?

Very true, especially since the land that we now know as "Bonny" was not demarcated back then by those claimed "founders". It may have been or like people lived in one area and others in the other.I dont think it would have really been a need to keep dates of arrival into the area by each group.

ChinenyeN:
Regarding the first bolded pair (where you seem to be having difficulty reconciling the Ngwa/Ndoki statements), Ndoki is an Ngwa offshoot. Regarding the second bolded pair (where you seem to be having difficulty reconciling the king issue), Bonny did not actually become a 'kingdom' (in the real sense of the word) until Asimini's 'reign'. That's why he [Asimini] is referred to as the Founding-King of Bonny.

Alagbara, the hunter who discovered Okoloma, is considered the founder (along with a few other notable people), and during the time of the founders, the organizational structure of Bonny was not that of kingship. Instead it was the Opara Ukwuu structure (Leadership by the Eldest). That's not to say that it would necessarily be wrong to refer to the founders as 'kings'. One can if one wants, but I in particular would be wary of using that expression, since the establishment of Bonny as a [i]kingdom [/i]didn't occur until Asimini's time.

Now, much of what I'm saying is what has been told to me (I hang around my elders quite a bit and I ask a lot of questions, especially when they say something intriguing). The information told to me though, has been more or less general. So, I had to research and dig up the gritty details of it all myself, and I found Alagoa, Fombo and Oriji (in particular), as well as Leonard, G.I. Jones and to an extent Talbot, who compliment and add on to the things told to me by my elders.

Ndoki an Ngwa offshoot? So does that mean Ngwa is an Mbaise offshoot? Your elders seem to know a lot. Maybe you can invite them on nairaland some time. As far as Alagbara, I think what you all seem more or less to be going back and forward about is not really who was the first "king", but instead, who were the first settlers of that area. The Opara Ukwu structure suggests in a large way,according to Igbo community structure, they may have been there for a while without any other inhabitants.I'm not saying that's what is, though. Seems like there is a lot more to the story and history that we know, though. I think one of the keys to cracking this thing is finding out where exactly did the Ijaws come from and when(time) did they migrate towards that area,not sure that info can be easily found .

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=648868.msg8150861#msg8150861 date=1303081571]I still don't see how any candidate can get 99% of the vote, even in his home state. Obama didn't get 99% of the black vote in the US. Yet GEJ will get 99% of the vote in Akwa Ibom (for example)?

Very fishy. Won't change the outcome, but doesn't pass the smell test at all. . .[/quote]You should check out the results in the north. They were clearly rigged and in an obvious way. They have no right to complain about rigging. If anything, both CPC and PDP rigged. It is just that CPC got out rigged.

Well done Beaf!

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=648709.msg8148885#msg8148885 date=1303063249]Reread again, I said one of the highest.

As for rate of education, that is to be debated.  It's still interesting that a poor region can boast of high academic rate. So what happens if the development of SW education system starts? A force to be reckon with.

Give the SW people free education. . . . . that's what's stopping most of them. Or provide them with low tuition.[/quote]I take it that the bolded is referring to the SW,but correct me if I'm wrong? Imagine the whole country with free education . But of course, what free education is afterwards there is no job.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=648709.msg8148822#msg8148822 date=1303062593]Why not Lagos? One would think you'd say otherwise.  
Higher population. . . . is not the same as higher voting population. From the onset, the SW had one of the highest voting population.[/quote]The "high" rate of education in Lagos is do to its mass influx of SE+ SS people. You can both agree that is they were not in Lagos the rate would plummet. And again as for the SW having the "highest voting population"(Although i could have sworn it was the NW), this is do again from the influx of non-swesterners in the region, with Lagos being the highest.

[quote author=ijaw_girl link=topic=648704.msg8148770#msg8148770 date=1303062052]hmmm RS Impressive!
We take the pace others follow.

hope GEJ does not forget Bonny-Bodo road-Bonny road link to ph
Bonny is a business hub of the Federal government, FG don’t have a choice but to do that road. Bonny/PH road has been in the pipe line since 1970s.[/quote]Girl you ARE in LOVE with Bonny, lol. Me likes the spirit.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=648709.msg8148771#msg8148771 date=1303062066]You better be joking  

As shown, Education is a life source in the SW, even a region where ppl deem poor. . . the # of SWesterners could still compete with a region that boasts of richness. A University in a ppor region still deemed #1 in all of Nigeria.

On a serious matter. . . . would the result have been another matter if SW put all their weight on it? Cant wait for 2015. . . .[/quote]Education-wise in yorubaland, you can boast about Ekiti;but, other places no. Lagos and Ibadan, no boasting for you all there and for obvious reasons we both know . And as for 2015, I can't wait neither because then we shall vote for No other candidate then ours so you yorubas are free to do the same. Just remember who has the higher population.

Because you all are illiterates. JK

Buhari's new name is Muhammed Oderemi Buhari- M.O.B. . He has been adopted by the yoruba "race".

ChinenyeN:
It seems like there is a lot people don't know. Like, for example, oral traditions have it that when the Portuguese came to the coast in the 15th century, it was the descendants of the founder (recollected as being Ngwa), led then by Asimini, that met the Portuguese, and got them to trade at Bonny. This effectively made Asimini the first King of Bonny. His [Asimini's] descendants subsequently ruled after him for some generations. Another interesting thing to note, which people for whatever reason tend not to mention (and consequently many people don't know), is the intensification of Ijo presence in Bonny beginning around the 16th century; a century or so after the Portuguese had established trade relations with Bonny people. Alagoa's chronology of Bonny recognizes/suggests this. This intensification (suggested to be Ijo migration from the west through creeks, to Bonny) is then followed by the massive influx of Igbo due to the slave trade (this one we should all be familiar with).

Hopefully this post could help address the above questions [those numbers]. Well, at the very least, some.

FROM:Dede1

Accoding to my source, the Ubani was founded by people from Azuogo, Ndoki-Azumini. The Portuguese called it Culeba and English called it Bonny. As for Ijo, this was not a tribe but what the Portuguese called Jos, people of the river, whom they met at Rio Real. In fact, the main occupations of these people were salt making and copper smiting. The Jos gave rise to Ijo and plain brass sheet used in making salt gave rise to Brass in Bayelsa.

The first king of Ubani was Alagbarie anglicized Alagbara. The second King of Ubani, Okpara Ndoli, was the first son of Alagbara. Okpara Ndoli was succeeded by Opu Amakuba (Amakubu) and was succeeded by Okpara Azumini (Asimini)

Down the line of king's lineage, one would found names of kings such as Azumini, Edimini(Hippo) and Edi Abali (Bear).

The same thing could be said about Calabarie (Kalabari) whose founders migrated from Obu Amafo. The referenced place of Obu Amafo could have metamorphosed into Obuama of Ikwerre land.

Where exactly are you all getting some of this information from? Where are the links? Also, I think a trip to River State, for historical purposes, should be in you guys agendas.

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