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ChinenyeN:
. . . C'mon.

Another liar; see below. Three posts where I said the same thing.


Katsumoto
Kyoto


Re: Adekunle Fajuyi In Our Hearts
« #99 on: September 20, 2010, 09:27 PM »
LWKMD   Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
So even after reading a book, I am supposed to agree with the writer? I have read the books you mentioned. The purpose of reading a book is not to reach the same conclusion as the writer but to reach one's conclusions having analysed the facts for oneself. But of course, you are free to reach the same conclusions as the writer.
As far as I am concerned, that coup had two objectives; one was known to all plotters and was the basis for enlisting at least two individuals while there was a deeper objective unbeknowst to most. Even some of the plotters admited this much after the coup failed.



Katsumoto
Kyoto
Posts: 2760

Re: The Real Truth Behind Biafra By An Igbo Survirver
« #251 on: November 19, 2010, 09:29 PM »
Are you aware that Nzeogwu killed a yoruba NCO who wouldn't shell the sardauna's house?

Nzeogwu was recruited in September 65 and Ademoyega was recruited by nzeogwu a month later. Also there were two different objectives to that coup:
1) An ethnic objective as personified by Ifeajuna and others
2) A noble objective as personified by Nzeogwu and Ademoyega. Those two were recruited very late to give the coup a semblance of a nationalist cause.


Katsumoto
Kyoto
Posts: 2760

Re: Samuel Ladoke Akintola
« #108 on: August 02, 2010, 10:28 PM »
I don't get the point you are making; at this point, I am sorry to state that your argument is disjointed. I am not a defender of the Jan 1966 coup but I will have you know that there were two objectives to that coup. One was a noble objective which was espoused by Nzeogwu and Ademoyega while their was a tribal element to it as espoused by Ifeajuna.

Eziachi:
Lets assume that the Northerner were avenging the killing of their Sarduana.
So who exactly were our Yoruba brothers avenging for?
Was it for Akintola?  As apart from Ogbomosho people, the rest were celebrating his demise?
Or was it your own son/governor (Fajuyi) who your later northern allies came at your back yard in Ibadan, picked up and killed like a chicken in your own land?
The old story use to be that Fajuyi was killed while trying to protect Ironsi, but this film has also punctured your lying sob stories.
Because the truth has always been that the guy was as victim as Ironsi was from the start to finish.
He was arrested even before the plotters (Danjuma) ever set eyes on Ironsi that evening, while Ironsi had a chance to make an attempt to escape but did not take the chance for some reason.
You seems to make up things as you go along, the new one being the moral vs immoral coup plotters of 1966 and you had placed the privilege of placing each person where it suits your pre-concieved agenda upon yourself.
Nzeogwu is now your new good guy and Ifeajuna your Mr baddie?

Only recently you were all over the place with the rubbish that Ifeajuna was Zik's cousin and when you were laughed at at such a notion, you turned into another version of them been relatives and soon you will find something else.
The truth is always straight, if you ever read myself changing what I told you 2 years ago against what it is today, I will no longer be here.

dayokanu:
Are people now denying that Biafran soldiers dropped bombs on innocent people in Lagos and killed people in the midwest?

What do we expect at least some of them told us Balewa died of chicken pox, Akintola died of ezcema and Sardauna was killed by mosquitoes

T9ksy:
Mass grave ko, mass cementary ni. U guys are so full of BS!!!
Its a fact that Biafran dropped bombs in Lagos.
its a fact that a lot of civilians were killed as a result of these bombs dropped by the rebels.
Its also a fact that most of these civilians (killed) were yorubas.  

Katsumoto:
Story teller, you have come again. Why don't you tell us what led to the rest of Nigeria in joining the North in fighting against Biafra? The problem with people like you is that you lack objectivity. So you were expecting the West and mid-west to send goodluck cards to Ojukwu after Biafra invaded the west and mid-west? Also, it is savagery because the other side won and you lost. I bet you have also forgotten that part where Biafra dropped bombs on Lagos. When the bombs were dropped, were they hoping to kill livestock?

Eziachi:
The well spoken journalist wasn’t the only person that was in support of the coup. His sentiment represents what was obtained at the time especially in Lagos and most Western cities like Ibadan. In the video, you heard that the coup was cheerfully welcomed in Lagos.

In Lagos and Ibadan for instance, there were huge celebration and street parties when the news filtered that army has taken over and that the prime minister and others especially Okotie Eboh had been killed. In the beginning, most Yoruba viewed the coup as liberation and revenge on the huge humiliation dished out to their great leader, Chief Awolowo by Balewa/ his stooge Akintola.

I remembered when we got to the East from Lagos over the next couple of days, only few people actually knew about the storm going on across the Niger.  Few months later, it becomes an Igbo coup and all those that welcomed and cheered the coup then joined in the savage of Easterners that lasted three years.
And they also cheered with the news of the on going savage!

Katsumoto:
What facts was I given? I was given an opinion to counter obvious facts.

Secondly, what is in the video that proves my POINT OF VIEW to be wrong? Please elucidate further? You are fond of barking up the wrong tree. If you require a response from me, then try to be civil and mature. I don't like debating with men who are too emotional and act like they are in their periods.

For the record, I am not here to convince those who are unintelligent enough to analsye issues dispassionately, I am here to learn and to debate. I will concede if someone has a stronger argument.

afam4eva:
Why all this contradicting reports. I thought it was one Ugochukwu guy. Anyways i prefer an Ngozi any day. That will be the best combination and i might have to choice my choice.

It seems Tinubu is against an Igbo vice.

Katsumoto:
You have to put the blame on the individual who actually set the precedence. I agree that other leaders adopted unitary governments but that objective was made possible by Ironsi's move. Soldiers have no business determining the type and systems of governments. That is beyond their training.

How is it possible that the plotters stopped Largema from passing the sardauna's message to Ironsi when Ironsi and Largema were both at Maimalari's party on January 14 before the coup took place. What stopped Largema from passing the message at the party. This is very evident from your book, 'oil, politics, and violence: Nigeria , - Chapter 4.

Secondly, why is it that the plotters killed the sender (Sardauna) and the messenger (Largema) but not the recipient of the message (Ironsi)? Afterall, it is the recipient who will carry out the instructions detailed in the message. I think the answer to that is very obvious.

blacksta:
I am thinking one of the biggest mistake Ironsi made was to murder Tafawa Balewa and Ahmadu Bello - he could simply have detained them under house arrest or similar , watching the video one can clearly conclude that Ironsi knew his days were numbered.

It is also sad that the NIgerian journalist interviewed was complained about issues in 1966 that are still ongoing today as write in Nigeria.  They say one can deduce the future from past. 

At this moment in time we have another Tafawa Balewa in GEJ weak, corrupt and inept , unable swim against tide to steer Nigeria from dangerous waters.

evilspirit:
the guy's father was a sierra leonean

fstranger1:
So when did 10% become overwhelming number!

Have you ever lived up north?

eku_bear:
Hrm, ok. Never really been to the north, so maybe you are right about a large # of speakers there.

I was under the impression that the koranic schools would be a bit useless for teaching the language. Just memorization of verses. That really isn't enough to learn the language well.

eku_bear:
From my understanding, Hausa uses Arabic characters (Akanji/Akami or something script.) The same way Yoruba (and English) use Latin characters.

But I don't think this suggests any fluency in Latin in and of itself. If Buhari speaks Arabic fluently, I'd be a bit impressed. Just because Nigeria is not a country where it would be easy to become fluent in that language, given the lack of Arabic speakers.

eku_bear:
There is a huge variation in Arabic dialects, from what I've been told (by Arab speakers). North African very different from Egyptian, different from Saudi.

Not necessarily even mutually intelligible.

[b]Though Egyptian seems to be the most well understood [/b]from what I've been told. . . they have a lot of TV shows that are popular elsewhere.

seanet02:
@chz, and you know you aint good in what you are doing, Dont crash this thread.

eku_bear:
When did Buhari get the time to learn Arabic? He might have memorized some stuff from the koran in Arabic, but I doubt this implies he actually speaks the language.

If he speaks it. . . then which dialect does he speak?

fstranger1:
You just want to crash this thread, innit?

Hmm, this might just backfire on you, you know

Think twice ok!

seanet02:
@chz, so Buhari speaks Arabic? I few laugh o.

seanet02:
@chz, Why dont you google search "Can Yayi Boni of Benin Speak YORUBA fluently" you will come back here begging me to Teach your very own history. When he came to Nigeria, he spoke YORUBA

seanet02:
@fstranger, no not because of Chieftancy Title at all, He can speak YORUBA fluently. He is from the minority in Benin, YORUBA precisely. His hometown was one of those captured during the Dahomey wars against some part of YORUBA land when OYO felled to some Northern Tribes in the 17th or 18th century, so OYO could not protect this towns again. Only the EGBA people were able to defend themselves when the Dahomey King called Gezo launched an all out offensive against YORUBA towns bordering Benin. Dahomey formerly pays Tributes to OYO.

seanet02:
Cotonou though is not a YORUBA town but has lots of YORUBA dwellers, the towns in benin that are YORUBA towns are many prominent among them is Ajase-Ipo And Ketu, the Alaketu of Ketu Visited Nigeria last year, OGUN state precisely and spoke YORUBA fluently. Benin President is also A YORUBA man.