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tonychristopher: i am married to a kwale woman she se herself as igbo and we never had a communication issue, she is the best gift i ever had and i love her like crazy, i have an oguta friend and he told me that kwale and oguta are related.... i did a research and found out that they speak same dialect so why do you people love scattering igbo.

why is it that igbo thread get attention more than other tribes... well igbos dont compete we tak over


ABOHS AND UKWUANI ARE IGBOS AND THEY ARE IGBO WORDS..... SO IDIOTS GET A LIFE

Odenigbo Aroli: Did I forgot to add that I have heard a guy from Enugu use the word "Arishi" for Alusi. Like I said,you don't have to believe me. Go with what suits you but don't mess with historical facts. Deje.

pazienza: On a similar note, i noticed how you skipped other characteristics of aboh,that was given there, your omission of them was intentional,it simply showed that you didnt come into this discussion to learn,but rather,you came with agbontaen spirit.


The king of aboh was named Ezeh obi ossai, he worshiped a divine being called tshuku(Chukwu), his first sons name was Chukwuma, his daugher's name who he gave out to king of brass was adze( Adaeze), he equally worshipped his arrisi( arusi) . from these information, a neutral mind would have deduced the truth. ezeh obi ossai was as Igbo as they come.

pazienza: So, you mean that it took just few decades,for the Akri people to make the aboh people to completely erase their bini language, replace it akri language,and even named themselves using akri language- aboh ji( yam basket) ? Wow!



I am now convienced that you are one of the descendants of ezzeh obi ossai hausa slaves, whom he granted freedom,and allowed to become aboh citizens, when he sgined the queen,s,s treaty,which mandated him to stop his slave trade. I have always wondered what became of ezeh obi ossai hausa slaves descendants, now i can see i have found one of them in nairaland.

pazienza: Now i am convienced that you are of the same stock as agbontaen, you are simply not being sincere. The explorers in that report never visited the igbo east of the niger,and never made comparisions of the physical looks of the igbos at aboh and those across the niger. He was actually comparing the natives of aboh with those of other west africans, let me quote him:


'' The natives of aboh are comparatively tall for west africans,well-made and muscular, but the hands and feet are large, the most prevalent colour is yellowish or brownish-black''



Now, this was how he described the aboh,in comparison to other west africans, and any nigerian who is not igbo can see that this description fits the igbos at both sides of the Niger.

Antivirus92: guy let me give u instances how a group of people can loose their language to another language. Firstly,colonisation
secondly,when a small group of people meet a larger group,they get swallowed up.
Thirdly,Expansion of empires and kingdoms
Fourthly,war:the victor and the vanquished. TRADE does not bring about change of language. Trade can make the parties involved borrow words from each other. The abohs drove away the aborigenes who would have made them change their bini language. So i wonder how and to whom they later lost it if they are actually bini speaking people.

pazienza: And by the way,the AKRI people were not easily conquered,which was why esumai had to resort to co existence with them, and his son and successor,Ogwezi, had to result to deceit and cunning behaviour to drive away the AKRI people. Many igbo speaking groups drove away other igbobspeaking groups and claimed their territory in ancient times, for example, the Edda people in ebonyi state, migrating from cross river/akwaibom area, fought and displaced the original settlers of eddaland, and drove them into umunneochi and orumba south areas of abia and anambra states. aboh pushing akiri towards ogbaru area of anambra is no biggie, it was the norm those days. just as edda and the igbo groupsvthey displaced were igbo speaking, so was akri and aboh.


And again, there is nothing superior about monarchy,if it were,the civilized and developed world today,wouldn't have dumped it for democracy/republic.

Abagworo: Written history is quite a wicked evidence especially when it is detailed and from a neutral writer.

http://archive.org/stream/narrativeofexped01alle/narrativeofexped01alle_djvu.txt


* Treaty between the Queen of Great Britain, and Obi Osa'i Chief of
Aboh or {Eboe or Ibu.)

pazienza: Unlike agbotaen and his side kick sony4all in the delta igbo thread, i have this feeling that clef actually came here to learn more about his identity.

Abagworo: As at then it was used for Aboh and other people that spoke the language of Aboh people who were not Aboh and not under the reign of Eze of Aboh. Three distinct tribes all known as Igbo were recognized by this expedition.




Aboh, Elugu and Isoama are actually Delta, Anambra and Imo of today which means the Europeans were wise enough to notice the similarity and differences between the three as different tribes but still called them Igbo in general.

THE AMAKA: Bev is not gonna look foolish. Who is Bev's shoes wouldn't expect Dillish to nominate her? Let's get real.
I wouldn't be surprised if she did that in hopes that Elikem will swap whoever with Beverly, so just wait.... Haba!

pinky lips: Dillish nominates bimp cos he is competition and elikem cos he is hoh........so surprised she didn't nominate beverly

Abagworo: If you make a sincere analysis, you'll realize that the Igbo generalization originated from Aboh since the Europeans were yet to enter the Igbo hinterland. There are 3 possible angles to the genesis of the generalization.

1) Nembe/Brass

2) Bonny

3) Aboh

Both the Bonny and Brass people knew Abohs as Igbos.

Abagworo: Written history is quite a wicked evidence especially when it is detailed and from a neutral writer.

http://archive.org/stream/narrativeofexped01alle/narrativeofexped01alle_djvu.txt


* Treaty between the Queen of Great Britain, and Obi Osa'i Chief of
Aboh or {Eboe or Ibu.)

Antivirus92: Thank u for answering him well. When people are desperate to fight the truth. He even said that the aborigenes are not igbos but learnt igbo for trading sake from their neighbours. Who are those their neighbours?. Coming to hausa, he forgot that even though that almost the whole of north speak hausa,that apart from the hausas themselves. Others learn and speak hausa as a second language not as a native tongue. Is igbo a second or the native language of the abohs?

Abagworo: You only want to cause unnecessary controversy here. Esumei came from Benin and met some aboriginal Igbos which means his lineage are not aborigines of Aboh but migrated their later and hence have no right to speak for the aborigines. Who are the Ndichie Ukwu and Ndichie Nta? What if the aborigines rise up today and ask Esumei's descendants to go back to Esako where they came from?

Abagworo: You only want to cause unnecessary controversy here. Esumei came from Benin and met some aboriginal Igbos which means his lineage are not aborigines of Aboh but migrated their later and hence have no right to speak for the aborigines. Who are the Ndichie Ukwu and Ndichie Nta? What if the aborigines rise up today and ask Esumei's descendants to go back to Esako where they came from?

tuktudicko: The bolded parts contradict themselves dude...
Are u confused?

IGBO-SON:
^^^In part of your initial post you stated: "The northerner and Yorubas i met during service all believed tht if u r not a northerner nor Yoruba, u automatically r Igbo, a conclusion that is sickening to millions of pple down south". And you dare point a finger at someone else accusing them of hate? All i can say is- look whose talking!

ochongonoko: Dude, owlneal nominated elikem cos of his hatred for WA. You need to watch the way he said. He said

"Like I said earlier on biggie, I nominate elikem cos I want to stop this stupid notion that WA is untouchable. I want them ALL out"

He added that childish stuff to Deceive peeps like
You

I don't give a fucck what anyone says but I will vote elikem whether beverly is there or not.

ochongonoko: I feel like slapping owlneal, dude is so so bitter and wicked

What a lost soul

Even his cohorts, sulu, nando, annabelle, feza has forgotten about this WA hatred and yet owlneal doesn't wanna let go


BBA is encouraging bigotry and it pisses me off. Can anybody warn or talk to biggie that this is gonna cause future damage to BBA and africa?. The purpose of this whole show which is peace has been defeated. *spits*

I hate this show

ella.b:
He actually said SULU IS HIS FAVORITE HOUSEMATE.
I made d statement bold for ppl saying he mentioned sulu winning.

bigfrancis21: I wonder o, my brother. Some people just derive joy in creating Igbo vs not-Igbo threads and the ensuing arguments that follow. And the image they create of such threads on nairaland are usually far from the reality in life.

The white man who presented a full speech in Igbo in year 18xx or so to the Obi of Aboh by collecting extensive igbo words from igbo slaves in sierra leone in preparation for the coming of Christianity to Igboland wouldn't have attempted presenting it at all in Aboh if he felt or sensed that the people weren't Igbo or Igbo-speaking.

When all these Igbo-denying people come out denying Igbo, one begins to wonder what's wrong with being Igbo? The Igbo people that are very much comfortable in their own skin that walk around everyday going their daily duties, have they died since? Have they been stoned to death since?

I sense that state boundaries are really the cause of this confusion. People use state boundaries which are mere artificial constructs to determine who's Igbo or not. Dismantle all the 36 states and a whole different concept will come into mind. Reorder the boundaries and create new states and you'll see the Igbo groups adjusting to what they've been put into. You'll find out that its just a case of mere physical boundaries. Adjust the western and southern boundaries of Anambra state to include parts of Delta Igbo and Ndoni in Rivers state respectively you'll see that suddenly all the Igbo denial from there will stop. It will be unlikely to hear someone from the new Anambra state claiming 'I am from Anambra state but I'm not Igbo'. The newly included people will now feel relaxed and feel a more sense of belonging that they are now with their brothers who they are more closely related to. Extend the southern boundary of Imo state to include Etche, Egbema, Omumma and all the Igbo denial coming from that axis will stop. Extend the south-western boundary of Abia state to include Obigbo and all the anti-igbo segments from there will stop. Case closed. All the identity problem has been solved. Then you'll find out that state boundary all along has been the main cause of denial which is a very little problem to solve. Gowon saw this right from the onset and used it to create disunity within the Igbo group to which our people fell heavily for it.

Meet any igbo-denying person and ask him why he says he's not Igbo and the next thing he'll tell you is, 'I'm not from the south-east', or 'I'm not from the east'. East/south east have now become the determining factor in deciding who is Igbo or not. Which means that if parts of Anambra, Imo and Enugu at the boundaries(of which the people are proud Igbos today) are carved out from their present locations into adjacent bordering states, the people will suddenly stop being Igbo and instead identify with the name of their native clans.

If state boundaries are the yardstick to which Igbo-denying people use to determine who's Igbo or not, fine, give it to them the way they want it. Adjust the boundaries accordingly and solve their identity crisis problem.

@Op...if you discredit using language to determine your Igbo ancestry, now tell me, what is the unifying language factor that makes the Onicha man and the Owerri man, who both speak totally different dialects, Igbo? These two people speak almost mutually unintelligible dialects but today see themselves as one. Please tell me, if not language, what else unifies these two people to classify them as Igbo?

I'm waiting for your reply.