Christianity Etc › Re: Resilient Worshipers Return To Bombed Kaduna Church For Sunday Service by cleric(m): 5:41pm On Nov 05, 2012 |
italo: "The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church."--Tertullian. Callotti: That is the spirit!  God will be pleased.  To me, dat is plain stupidity. God gave us a brain. There is a difference between bravery ,matyrdom and suicidal tendencies. It is not as if they are gathering to win souls or spread the gospel. They are just trying to do an 'aluta' which is commendabl but it does not amount to defending your faith, or spreading the gospel afterall, boko haram didn't ask dem to renounce christ or get bombed. However,the apostles went into hiding when they were persecuted. Paul went to Rome to die because that was approved to him by God. I stand to be corrected.
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Christianity Etc › Re: Deeper Christian Life Ministry Then, And Deeper Life Bible Church Now. by cleric(m): 12:06pm On Nov 05, 2012 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Deeper Christian Life Ministry Then, And Deeper Life Bible Church Now. by cleric(m): 11:17am On Nov 05, 2012*. Modified: 11:36am On Nov 05, 2012 |
Ezniteadin: I used to attend Deeper-Life, I can say without Mincing words since 1979, at that time, I was Just 7 Years old. Then W. F Kumuyi was running the Bible Study From Oyingbo in Lagos, most people were really Ignorant of the Bible and so was I, what do you expect from a 7years old Child who was at the time under the care of an Illiterate mother who had become so fascinated by the new Christian Life taught by Deeper Life and compared to the Aladuara Congregation where the Husband was then a pastor, She was converted by the Conviction of the Holy Ghost after mocking a woman who was Preaching in a “Molue” Bus in Lagos, According to her testimony, she got back home and was pricked, a thought kept ringing in her mind that “You are on your way to Hell” she said for what “Laughing”? she recalled, and was under a severe torture until she went to a sister around town who already knew what it meant to be born again, The Sister who was at the time a nurse, Led her to the Lord after ministering salvation message to her and she became Born again. She put so many things behind her after Being Born again, There was an obvious transformation in the life of my mother who used to be a troublesome woman in the community, there was a story before her conversion, how she fought two men on a boat where she was then selling “Filling Sand” and her mien was intimidating for any man to dare talk less of a woman, Mum after conversion was as gentle as a lamb, she would hardly respond to anyone who tickle her for some kind of trouble, She was not educated, but for her interest in the thing of God, She learned to read the Bible through a miraculous teaching by God. In those days of her ministerial life, I remembered that she eventually started the Yoruba “House Fellowship” with some strong members In the Area where she was living at the time, she led some Muslim Sisters to the Lord Jesus and several of unsaved people in her community, One of the Muslim sister is presently a mighty minister of the Gospel. Because of the evident power of God manifested in her life, Parents who were fearful of the pronouncement of death on their Children came to our house and were prayed for by mum and their kids will live, she prayed for the sick and they recovered, our last born was restored back to life by her prayers after being dead and a lady who was attacked by witchcraft was prayed for and a head that was turned backward against nature returned to normal through the Power of prayer and faith in the name of Jesus. There were lots of miracle and evidence of God’s presence in our house. I was a stubborn child growing up like some other kids, there was a particular case of theft which I remembered committed by me and when asked, I denied it, but mum just looked all her kids in the face and said, “The Lord will reveal it” That was all she said and we went about our business. In the Night of that incident she woke us all up and called me, she started to narrate the incident and how I entered the house and took the item, she narrated it to the point of telling what dropped when the act was commuted, I started to cry, I was shocked because I was sure that I was the only one at home when the crime was done, I wondered how she got wind of it. God showed up that night in a dream and told my mother everything and how it went. That was the last time for lies as far as relating with my mum was concerned There were several testimonies of God’s power in the lives of people who sincerely gave their lives to the lord Jesus There was a lot of love at the time, Christian were Christians and the marks (Fruit) were evident by a genuine conversation, PA Josiah Akindayomi was still alive and Redeem had countable Churches in the city of Lagos, we were confined to Deeper Life Teachings and prayer, I grew up to be fascinated by W. F Kumuyi’s insight into scriptural truths at the time, I was young but had an open mind for good guiding information, the only one I was exposed to was that of Deeper Life until I started on my own to find out other sources of explanation to Christianity. It was the days when lots of influences were coming into Nigeria from the outside world, some people believed they can get the attention of God by Living “Holy”, others are of the opinion that “Praise Worship” is the style of bringing down the glory of God, there were those who chose to be “International” neglecting their originality, so you will find someone who copies American preachers who were constantly selling idea to upcoming preachers, There were “Kenneth Haggin” who majored on Faith, Benny Hinns, whose Operation was the Miraculous, “Shamback” and a host of others. The influences were more The Bible was a Yardstick of measuring anyone, But I realized that people have different insight to the truth in the Bible. Looking back now, there are many things that can drive a man into the Ministry (God’s work) when a man is driven by sincerity, it pays better, he might make mistakes because we do not know it all, yet sincerity will help him to find his feet and will drive him to correcting the mistakes. Deeper Life focused on Righteousness and Holiness at that time, the impact was so much that as soon as an individual becomes a member of Deeper Life, He or she is marked by certain Do’s and don’ts, “we would not do this, we would not do that,” and so many things that marked members of deeper life out in the crowd, the lifestyle were offensive to so many people, some of the members were denied of certain rights others deny themselves so as to please God. W.F kumuyi’s messages were compelling and so were the messages of all his comrades, the Likes of Steven Akionla, Alfred Itiowe, Shafe, Ransom Bello, A.O Itiola, Lawon, Isaac Ijalano, Amatare, and a host of others. These men were bonded by same spirit and there was no contradictions whatsoever in their messages, they presented God’s word with different approach yet they achieve same purpose in the minds of the hearers, There were not too many Churches at the time, Pastor Enoch Adeboye was at most of the time an Interpreter to Pa Josiah Akindayomi, founder of Redeem Christian Church of God. Baba was a father to Both W.F Kumuyi and E. A Adeboye, who were both Lecturers at different times in University of Lagos. By Mid 70’s and early 80’s the interest for the Teaching of God’s word was really high and the approach of Kumuyi was uncommon in most assembly, so, People left their congregation and places of worship and attended Bible study in “Deeper Christian Life Ministry” (DCLM) I recalled, that my Father who was a pastor of a Local assembly would also visit the church in Oyingbo and I discovered several Old Bible Study outline of deeper life in his library with several bible commentaries, Although he was sneaking to the study, he was not confortable with the idea of my mother attending a church other than His, so he Visited Kumuyi in the 70’s and requested that He (Kumuyi) should drive my mother out of His Church, But Brother Kumuyi for so was he called at the time, said, He cannot take the decision of driving anyone who has interest in the word of God, There were fights that we (Children) witnessed at home over the matter and until my father was on his sick bed and he realized he was going to die, That was when he called my mum to straightened things with her, I can say that Mum was not entirely faultless in the whole saga, both in reaction and the broils at home; but all this form an opinion of what life and relationship should be in the mind of a growing child I observed that it was impossible to be hypocritical at the time, maybe because I was a child learning, Christianity was not Just at the time by “Outward appearance” it was from inward and it affected the outward, You do not need to be told that a passerby on your street was a Christian, it was very obvious, by the fruits they bore, they were like weak, feeble being, they will not revenge, they are always sober, and you can see an inward Peace within them, because they are not troubled by circumstance, there is a peace that you cannot explain and it steers at you. I am amazed that at the time, people who ere are willing to make confession and start all over again, you will find Leaders who when they fail, will without compelling, report themselves to the church and are afterwards relieved of all spiritual activities and they will gladly go and pray. I personally encountered the saving power of God at a programme organized by “I suspect” Four square Gospel Church as a little boy, it was the first time I ever understood what it meant to escape the Judgment of God by accepting God’s solution offered by Jesus Christ. I repented and follow the lord (still following) but I was no longer confined to deeper Life, although I learned the Christian teaching in deeper Life and understood certain truth in Deeper Life, even participated as a DLSO Instructor
But that was then, I later grew to experience decay, a hardness of heart, Hypocrisy and idolatry, I saw how the devil penetrated the pulpit and made men so deceived to jostle for position, I saw human worship, (Idolatry) arrogance, like in many places I saw fight, I saw cessation, I saw rivalry, I witness an authoritarian style of leadership, and I wonder with much pains at what man can suddenly become. I have personally experienced backsliding in my own relationship with God, But God hunted me in love and helped me in finding my way back It is common Knowledge that Satan fights any work of God to destroy it, but the point is How did we become so undiscerning? How did we begin a walk in the spirit and are almost at the edge in the flesh, I am not so surprised, when we stop to pray as we ought, both Personally and as a congregation, we are near defeat, I was shocked when I heard that and order was given to stop “Prayer Warrior” I can remember how Bro Akande, was Championing the course at the car park in those days. I think we became too fearful for error or the Devil, that we allowed him to suggest ways of checking his influence. I was shocked when Prayer meetings were disbanded, I know that people will go their own ways, but the work of the ministry does not lie solely in the hands of one man. Today, it is more shocking how we think we can win a soul into the kingdom without first wetting the soul on our knees, an example which Jesus himself displayed many times (secretly) we have become monotonous, dolling out ordinary words not backed up by Prayer. I must confess that the huge impact of Deeper life in our country and the world cannot be denied, Pastor Kumuyi has labored immensely entering countries of the world from continent to continent after his appearance on Monday Bible study in Lagos. He has touched several lives, but for his insight into scripture, a lot of us would have worshiped God with some level of error and maybe worshiped men also. W. F Kumuyi has affected several Churches and their founders, You can name them, I know so many churches that broke into factions as a result of the impact derived from Deeper Life. This is good for the Church to spread the gospel. Although several did not see any reason to continue like deeper life, others imported errors into their congregation deceiving the young undiscerning youths but the truth is they became mouthpiece for the Lord Jesus in several community He is known for teaching, however, some of the Generals around Pastor Kumuyi, were not Teacher, there were Prophets amongst them, there were Evangelist, there were several people who also have the ministry but were handicapped by the Fear and Unwritten rules drawn in the heart If Jesus Tarries, I pray Deeper life will produce more and more little Kumuyi’s and many more Jesus who would understand the workings of God and know the mind of Christ for the Church, not necessarily amongst some present anxious men who are waiting to be named as General Overseer, and desperate men who have no connection with the Holy spirit yet are willing to hold on to title.
After the Death of Sist, Biodun Kumuyi I watched the trend of Idolatry, how the Picture of a dead woman become very important to us as to display it on a Deeper Life website, How suddenly Bro/Pastor Kumuyi is being referred to as Daddy. I am not against calling an elderly person daddy, But I see the importation of a trend that was personally resisted in the days of consecrations My prayers are that Jesus should Prepare his Church for the RAPTURE, I am sure it will not be long from now, we have become cold and lethargic. I have so many things on my mind on the issues raised but maybe I should listen to the reaction of mature Christian on these pages since I have no place order than here to remind us of what we used to be. I sure, I will find someone to tell me that, That is what I used to be, You are right. Just pray along with me as I come out from this great pain of my coldness and weakness in following my Lord Spoken like a true christian. May God draw you back to Jesus. This is one of the most mature and sincere writing i have ever seen on NL. God bless you. However, if you compare the messages of Pastor E.A. Adeboye back in the days with his messages now, you will agree with me that the emphasis has changed. Pastor Adeboye used to be a name synonymous with humility. I don't think i have recently seen any where he was addressed as the Humble Pastor Adeboye. My point, work out your own salvation and stop following man. Phil 2:12 [/color] Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.[color=#990000]
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Autos › Re: hi by cleric(op): 5:49am On Nov 05, 2012*. Modified: 11:07pm On Dec 09, 2012 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Does Heaven Really Exist ? by cleric(m): 11:45pm On Nov 01, 2012 |
berylLOL: heaven is hidden from mortals,.n over thinking about such things brings doubts!..personally, I've stopped asking questions I know no one except God has answers to..dere are some things that should just be accepted d way they are. I agree with Berryl . I am a great fan of NASA and space exploration but my question for u is dat have u found the garden of eden that is physically on the earth? When u find dat one, we can start thinking of finding heaven. |
Politics › Re: Jonathan Congratulates Obasanjo On New Appointment by cleric(m): 6:35pm On Nov 01, 2012 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Kumuyi Urges Nollywood Stars To Use Talents With Judgment Day In Mind by cleric(m): 1:59pm On Oct 20, 2012 |
Nice one by pastor Kumuyi. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Wrong To Give Your Tithe To The Poor by cleric(m): 10:25am On Oct 18, 2012 |
joe4christ: [size=15pt]You do have the Holy spirit residing inside of you i believe, if you are faithful in tithing and want to stop on the seventh year, the holy spirit inside of you will groan in pain and dissagreement, believe me, it does'nt apply to the body of christ (The new testament church) the problem i discorver with the church of the generation is that we seem to be lazy or in disbelieve that God still speaks and directs, cos we've rendered the holy spirit domant thereby not listening when he speaks, the holy spirit is not on earth for no reason, he is meant to direct us into all truth as rightfully stated by the Lord Jesus himself while on earth, the holy spirit is real and guides, personally there is no question i dont ask him and each time i do atimes even before gathering those questions i intend asking he would have provided me with the answer with deep deep insight that i can only relate it with the brightest light that shines in darkest of all dark, he is real, and unvails mysteries of heaven, earth and the kingdom of christ to the heirs of salvation, i dont know why you all are afraid of listening to him, he is the greatest friend and teacher i have ever known, he's always there with me in hardest times and good times, he gives me hope whenever i find myself in life's challenges by reminding me of what the word of God says conscerning that issue and finally give me his personal words of wisdom and knowledge for that situation, he gives me peace in the mid of trouble and problems of life, he is a friend i cannot trade for the entire riches of the world, he is the only one who assure me of my eternal inheritance in christ, he is the only one that assure me of my making heaven cos he promised to keep me till my dieing moment so i will appear blameless before the throne of the father. Whenever i'm not in good term with him due to my sins, i lose my peace and Joy, i feel insecure without him, i know i wont survive a month without him in my life. He is indeed a Gift from God to the heirs of salvation. If you're not experiencing what i just wrote then you're really missing a lot, infact you've missed out of God's intend plan, the holy spirit is too sweet, no wonder he's called the sweet spirit of the living God. Repent of your sins, accept Jesus as your lord and saviour and then ask the lord to baptise you with his spirit (HOLY SPIRIT) and then get baptised with water and then continaully fellowship with him and make his voice more audible to your hearing by spending much time studying the word of God (The Bible) I wish the church hear from the holy spirit as i do we would'nt be here arguing over this issue and others like about the Godhead and many more. God help your church to grow in Jesus name. Amen!!! [/size] So because he quoted a verse that contravenes all your belief, it means he is not born again?  . Is that what your 'holy spirit' told you? If so, I think you should listen more carefully. I have seen KDK's videos on YouTube and I don't think he is not born again. Whether he is standing is what I don't know. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Wrong To Give Your Tithe To The Poor by cleric(m): 10:02am On Oct 18, 2012 |
A-ZeD: Everybody who has supported tithing has quoted Malachi 3:10 only; @Fhemmmy and all tithers in the house please answer my questions
1)Who was God talking to in Malachi? (pls read from Malachi 1) 2)If you say people give their tithes to God and not the pastor why is it a problem giving it to God through a poor man? 3)2 Cor 9:7 Says every man should give as he desires in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity(compulsion): for God loves a cheerful give. Why was the bolded included if tithes where compulsory? 4)In all of Jesus teachings as regard giving, it was give to the poor/people who can't repay you e.t.c not once did he mention church. Why? 5)what does Matthew 25:35-40 mean? 6)In the time of Malachi, any where the ark of the covenant was kept became the temple. Today the temple is our hearts so why does paying my tithes have to be in a church? (Hint: understand question 3, reaad question 6 very well) 7)Abraham paid his tithes from the spoils of war not his wealth so why should i pay mine from my salary? 8}Abraham was already rich before he paid his tithes, Jesus said seek yee the Kingdom of heaven and its righteousness and [b]everything [/b]shall be given unto you. Why do i have to pay tithes to be blessed when christ says all i need to be blessed is to seek heaven? (Hint: understand question 1) 9)Can anyone of you explain Hebrews 7? 10)Which of the apostles paid tithes?
Thanks Very good questions. They will try to manipulate their ways. They keep part of the old testament and not keep all. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Wrong To Give Your Tithe To The Poor by cleric(m): 9:56am On Oct 18, 2012 |
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Autos › Re: Thanks by cleric(op): 2:15am On Oct 04, 2012 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Elisha And The Little Children:what Does This Story Teach Us? by cleric(m): 9:01pm On Sep 30, 2012 |
musKeeto: Are you arguing with the actions of the Creator. Your sense of good and evil were given to you by him, how dare you question his morals?
He is the Creator. He does as he wishes with his creation.. a day is like a thousand years to him, for all he cares, those kids were a million years old... Justice/Yahweh was served.. God is sovereign, end of story. Our perception of what happened there does not matter. It is like trying to ask God why He does not send angels to save babies and kids during time of war. Why must some of them die painful deaths when they clearly are innocent? In yoruba, we will say 'Kabiyo osi' |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Hellfire/lake Of Fire/eternal Condemnation? Brethren, Let's Discuss. by cleric(m): 5:59pm On Sep 30, 2012 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Adeboye Maybe A Member Of Nairaland. by cleric(m): 10:34am On Sep 30, 2012 |
Phiozy: Adeboye, not Oyedepo RCCG has a private jet and a university too |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Second Coming Of TB Joshua by cleric(m): 10:30am On Sep 30, 2012 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Arrested For Putting On Pant In Redeem Camp. Isn't Dat Too Extreme?! by cleric(m): 10:25am On Sep 30, 2012 |
A lot of folks don't know the true doctrine in RCCG. |
Jobs/Vacancies › Re: Dangote Graduate Drivers Trainee Interview by cleric(m): 11:25am On Sep 29, 2012 |
Franklin698: Hey rum,i applied bt havn't got any message,kan any1 suggest wat 2 do. Perhaps you're over qualified in the sense that you have. 2.1 or a 1st. They might have something better for you. As for those who applied and got called,i am happy for you. There is dignity in labour. Just use this as a stepping stone by packaging yourself well and not by having a gf in every trailer rest along the route.  |
Autos › Re: hi by cleric(op): 2:25pm On Sep 28, 2012*. Modified: 11:08pm On Dec 09, 2012 |
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Jobs/Vacancies › Re: Business Development Officer Required by cleric(m): 2:22pm On Sep 26, 2012 |
Anything business development is a big name for a marketer so please, what is to be marketed |
Nairaland General › Re: Superstitious Beliefs That Actually Works! by cleric(m): 1:01pm On Sep 26, 2012*. Modified: 2:10am On Oct 04, 2012 |
The one I am yet to try is to go to the centre of a market,bend over and look between my legs. Myth has it that you will see people and spirits in their true nature.
Another myth is dat once a mad man enters into the market in his mad state, he can never be cured. Funny enough, this holds for all tribes. |
Politics › Re: Oshiomhole Having His Portrait Taken (Picture) by cleric(m): 3:13pm On Sep 20, 2012 |
and dis deserves to be front page?  |
Nairaland General › Re: How We Will Take Coins From ATM - Pic by cleric(m): 3:10pm On Sep 20, 2012*. Modified: 11:47am On Sep 21, 2012 |
mystikal: Did Sanusi mention that an ATM will be dispensing the coins? Yes, Sanusi mentioned it. @ oge, u seem to think you are the only one well travelled, can you please remind me of the state (in america) where an ATM machine dispenses coins? I know for a surity, that the uk loves coins and yet the ATM's don't dispense coins. AJJ: Coin is not a curse but can you please tell me where our 25k/50k/1naira are kept now. They are in the money safe with no use for it. We are not afraid of the use of coins but #the effect of using so much money meant for masses for the production of coins that would be rejected. #the effect on sales of goods; we ll buy little goods like biscuit @ 6 for #100. All in the name of coin. @AJJ, dont mind the guy, Sanusi seem to forget that prices of things are not quoted to the nearest 1k,5k, 10k or even naira but rather to the nearest 5 naira. Like someone asked the CBN public relations director, is CBN planing to make 5 naira into coins as dat is the smallest denomination in use currently. |
Jobs/Vacancies › Re: NLNG 2012 Recruitment Update by cleric(m): 6:51am On Sep 20, 2012*. Modified: 10:20am On Sep 21, 2012 |
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Properties › Re: 3kva Luminious Inverter For Sale............. SOLD by cleric(m): 4:00pm On Sep 09, 2012 |
Is it still available? |
Autos › Re: hi by cleric(op): 3:58pm On Sep 09, 2012 |
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Career › Re: Which Company Is Better, Nlng Or Total? by cleric(m): 6:51am On Aug 21, 2012 |
Definitely total. Used to be NLNG more than a decade ago...but now total is better in terms of conditions of service and opportunities and in most cases salarries for jobs of same grade. |
Autos › Re: hi by cleric(op): 9:55am On Aug 11, 2012*. Modified: 11:10pm On Dec 09, 2012 |
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Autos › hi by cleric(op): 8:59am On Aug 11, 2012*. Modified: 11:09pm On Dec 09, 2012 |
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Properties › Re: M/flat,2,3 Bedroom At Yaba,onipan And Environ by cleric(m): 7:08am On Jul 23, 2012 |
Do you have a 2 bedroom apartment for 400k NAND one yer payment? |