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It looks like people here are still blind. The problem is neither the so-called leaders nor the hapless “citizens”. The problem is the country itself.

The country was designed by a group of heartless English brigands for one purpose only. That purpose is theft.

The aim was (and still is) to fleece the resources of the unfortunate indigenous population of this colonial prison and stash such loot outside the country.

Successive local thugs masquerading as rulers have continued with this grand tradition albeit with a few tweaks here and there. The results have always been the same.

There is only one solution. Rather than casting aspersions on ethnic groups and individuals, simply dismantle the contraption and allow us to build our own indigenous nations and solve our problems locally.

The musings of an imbeciIe.

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Abagworo:
Language wise Ikwerre is definitely Igbo but ethnicity wise it remains a hydra headed debate. There is difference between central Ikwerre and central Igbo but the fringes of both speak basically the same dialect. The deviation is probably 30% from a deeper dialect like Nnewi or Onitsha but 10% for Ohaji and 12% for Owerri and Etche. So Owerri, Ohaji and Etche will easily communicate with Ikwerre. Onitsha will communicate but with much more difficulty and stalemate in some circumstances

You’re mostly correct but you made an error. There is no such animal as central Igbo. No one speaks it. Even the synthesized dialect spoken in key urban areas differ from city to city.

So when you say Ikwerre differs from “central” Igbo, you’re basically saying nothing because all traditional Igbo dialects differ from the synthetic one.

P.S I think your 10% for Ohaji may be too high. I think it’s virtually the same with what is spoken in places close to the state border like Ubima. You may know better since you’re an Ikwerre speaker.

YakubuAugust:
Isnt the whole reason they deny Igbos is because of political jostling?

Because they know Nigeria is ant-Igbo and want none of the discimination.

I frankly couldn’t give a fvck what a few hundred thousand people choose to call themselves. The other 40 million is more than enough company.

I’m not Yahweh and I can’t be searching for any lost sheep.

abobote:
Which Uzodinma? the supreme court governor? Meanwhile I don't see anything special about being Nigerian president, The North have been presiding for long and they are the most backward people on earth, a lot of killings have been going on in the north and in katsina in particular, and Buhari being Nigerian president from the north can't help his people

I don’t understand how people get away with moronic statements.

What business does an average Okeke or Okafor have with their “Igbo Presidency”? If he and his other thieving friends want to become President, they should go build their bridges and leave us all out of it.

Meanwhile, he’s currently earning a well deserved and expected F in his actual primary responsibility of providing governance to the long suffering people of my state. However, he still finds the time to dish out unsolicited advice on an issue that is of tangential importance to us while ignoring the actual challenges facing us today.

Tranquill:
Now may I ask,
Who is an Igbo man?
Who or what defines an Igbo man?
If an Hausa man moves from Bauchi to settle in Umuahia, at what point in his generation can they become Igbos?
Is being Igbo defined by language, ancestral origin or by default of birth location? Thanks.

Ethnicity is a social concept. It’s not by DNA. There are descendants of very recent Igala and even Ijaw immigrants in the SE who now identify as Igbo. In some parts of Abia, Efik names are not uncommon but today they all identify as Igbo.

Obviously, language is an important aspect of what makes you an Igbo person. However, I believe that you have to at least self identify as Igbo to be Igbo.

If you don’t identify as Igbo (not emergency identification like some potential presidential candidates oh) then you obviously not Igbo. Our culture doesn’t allow us to tell another man what to call himself.

Tranquill:
I know it is for Eshans and some tribe in the Volta region of Ghana that also trace their origin to Idu which is the present day Benin. Ikwerre people do not claim to be Binis but that their ancestors migrated from Benin unlike the Igbos who claim to have their ancestral origin in Ani Nri, Anambra. So their provenance are different. The Igbos know this also but just for the desperation of wanting to claim that Portharcourt belongs to the Igbos that's the reason they are forcing their imagination of seeing Ikwerre people as Igbos. Ikwerre is not Igbo.

All the Igbos that have told you that you're not Igbo on this thread are not enough.

You have to cling to a single Igbo person who has never met an Ikwerre man before to say that we are claiming you because of Pitakwa that you are even sharing with Okrika people.

P.S Igbo is an ethnic group not a single tribe. There are many tribes in Igboland (like Isu, Ngwa, Ndoki, Aro, Orotta etc) As such the question of a single origin story for all Igbo is inappropriate. A large percentage of Igbo people don't claim to originate from Nri. I don't even know where you got that assertion from.

Yujin:
You can make your research on what I wrote here. Every contact with an empire surely leaves traces. Even the Igalas contact with old Benin has proofs. The Agaba-Idu, Attah of Igala wears a benin bronze sculpture on his neck till date. Notice the word 'Idu' in his praise name. I'll like to know the meaning of 'Agaba' in Igala language. In Lagos state, the presence of Idu confirms the benin influence too. Idumota, Idumagbo etc. As for Ikwerres, no single shared word with bini.
Let me tell you another lexicon that shows cultural influence. In Igbo language, there are two words to refer a warrior or strong man. These words are Odogwu and Dike. Most Igbos in the northern and western parts of Igboland easily use 'Odogwu' while the eastern and southern parts use 'Dike'. The Ikwerres who are in the southernmost part use 'Dike'. Odogwu is not part of their dialectical usage. This is another pointer that they've never had contact with the binis. There are too many pointers to ridicule any of their claim of bini as a place of origin.

All this scholarship should be put to better use than wasting it on this rather inconsequential issue.

This topic is only good for laughs. It’s so tangential to our interests as to be actually unimportant.

If the people say they are Edoid, we have to accept it. Some of you have been Igbo all your lives so you think it is easy and then want to extend the privilege to any random group of people that can say “Bia”.

IkwerrePikin:
And i have never said Ikwerres are igbos and we can never be igbos.

If Amaechi claims igbo it’s his business

Of course not!

Na beans?

Igboid:
Amaechi and Ikwerre are not Igbo and no SENSIBLE Igbo see them as Igbo. OP take note.

Don't mind the clown.

Amaechi is a Yoruba/Edo man. He can claim to be Igbo (just like I can claim to be Scottish) until he is blue in the face but we all know what he is up to.

gartamanta:
What nobody ever managed to explain is if Ikwerres actually migrated from Bini to Rivers, how come their language is Igbo? How come they now have Igbo surnames? What happened to their Bini language and surnames? Are we really to believe that Ikwerres are Bini migrants who chose to forget their language and names for no reason? Its not like Rivers state is that far from Edo. Someone should tell me how and why Ikwerres dropped their Bini language and names for Igbo

The answer to your poser is very simple.

After their tortuous and traumatic journey from Benin, they lost their Edoid language and then spent the next few years without a language, only communicating by means of sign language and grunts. This made some uncharitable fellows christen them ihoriho (meaning foolish).

This state of affairs continued until a kind (and patient) woman from Ohaji in present day Imo State took pity on them and taught them the Ohaji dialect which is why Ikwerre is so similar to the Ohaji dialect.

bigpicture001:
Which suffer is Igbos suffering..? You people and your shallow mentality... So because they did not get presidency means they are suffering..?

Are you not ashamed that Igbos wore torn cities have caught up with your continually built city without war relic.?

You shld b ashamed that Igbos have caught up with you on children enrollment in schools,level of professionals etc. You guyz shld go kill all ur stealing leaders......

Again PDP ruled 16years.and Igbos held very good positions.. Plenty of them.. ND all excelled. Now ap. Is ruling less than 8yesras and the Yorubas are shouting enjoiment enjoiment. Cuz of 8years..?..

Yet they are supporting non inclusion of a major tribe in appointment yet blaming them for trying to secceed.

As at 1963.there was no reason for secession. No trouble in naija. And Yorubas with thier tribalistic self are trying to break a virgin country ND expects a gentle man to support them using evidence of things of 40years later as prove and deceiving themselves they saw it coming. Know it today. Awo only wanted breaking cuz he want sto b president of the southwest. ND steal AL the cocoa fund.....

Think with your head not your leg

Una get time to dey reason random musings from imbeciIes.

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Bulleye:
That the Sokoto Caliphate is headed by a Fulani is a fact. It is also established that only Muslims of Fulani descent can ascend the throne of Sultan of Sokoto. The Sultanate is more political than religious from the antecedents of the occupiers of the throne. We should also not forget that Sokoto Caliphate is a symbol of conquest by the Fulani. And finally the Caliphate is a pride of the Fulani ethnic nationality.

However we should not forget that the influence of the Caliphate does not extend beyond the localities of the Fulani. In other words the Caliphate is not expected to dictate to other ethnic nationalities outside the Fulani zones. Doing so will be tantamount to pursuing the greater Fulani agenda of subduing non - Fulani living outside the Fulani ethnic zones.

Surprisingly, the Caliphate is not relenting in the battle to dominate the non - Fulani. To achieve this hegemonic agenda, the Nigeria Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs was created. The office of president- general is the highest position in the body and is perpetually reserved for the Sultan who is a Fulani. A non - Fulani can not be Sultan. And since only the Sultan of Sokoto can be the president - general, it then follows that only a Fulani can head the Nigeria Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs.

O mankind, your Lord is One and your father is one. You all descended from Aadam, and Aadam was created from earth. He is most honored among you in the sight of God who is most upright. No Arab is superior to a non-Arab, no colored person to a white person, or a white person to a colored person except by Taqwa
(piety)." [Ahmad and At-Tirmithi ]

The above quotation is in support of the fact a Fulani does not have to head the Nigeria Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs. And as a result the League of Imam and Alfas in Western region was created to affirm the equality of mankind.
Therefore Nigeria Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs should change its name to Fulani Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs since only persons of Fulani descent can head it.

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Please take this superstitious nonsense to myths and legends religion section. It’s none of our business here.

Thank you.

meavox:
Wonderful to hear this young man. Remain courageous!

So that we (SW, SS, SE & MB) work unitedly, go to the Lower Niger Congress facebook and website for information. All they do is in Alliance with Oduduwa and Middle Belt. Then contact them if you need more information. And tell your youth network. May God bless you.

PS: I also put a post called TAKING DOWN THE 1999 CONSTITUTION BY CONSTITUTIONAL FORCE MAJEURE – WHO IS DOING IT? here on Nairaland
Here is the link: https://www.nairaland.com/5940779/taking-down-1999-constitution-constitutional

Great post. That constitution is from the very pit of hell.

We must all resist every attempt to conduct another (s)election in 2023 based on that evil document.

Osinbade happens to be just the right height to closely inspect all kinds of shitters and latrines.

Good choice be Tunde Yusuf!

All these southerners making useless comments here. Wetin concern una!

Are you people in any way related to Mrs Karma?

This is what friends are for!

Get your friends to help you.

Even the guys making comments above won’t mind making the sacrifice of some akamu to give your gf for a good shag.

Get your friends to help and stop complaining like a biatch.

12Monkeys:
During ....
While their southern counterparts formed drinking clubs and useless pointless campus fraternities which only saw them attack and kill themselves for no reason whatsoever, the northern youth were actively engaged on campus agitations for what they believed will benefit and uplift them in future.

It is still ongoing today as we see southern idiots collecting crumbs to campaign, shill and defend their Awusa masters.


Today the south is shouting for restructuring and an outright review of the 1999 constitution which is a facsimile of the Sharia laced 1979 constitution.

The question to ask is ; where were the southern youth when sharia was openly included into out constitution?

One would think that the southern clowns would have become smarter by now but their continued mumuness and infighting means that the Mumu-zlem oligarchy doesn’t even have to try hard to keep their stranglehold on political power - which is apparently their drug of choice.

Can the Immigration Services start deportation proceedings on Atiku as soon as possible.

Tranquillity360:
Lies.


We yoruba christian are more than 79%.

100% - 79% = 21%

This is still very dangerous!

21% mumu-slim population is still a very potent danger for any human society.

omonnakoda:
We are talking about the slave trade era. Not today.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/24328626?seq=1
https://www.jstor.org/stable/40463184?seq=1

Did you even read the links you posted?

And the settlements were existing during the slave trade era. Actually, that was the reason for establishing them.

omonnakoda:
From all accounts ?

Which accounts do you know?

They were obtained by a number of routes
Slave raids through the secret activities of Okonko society
The Aros in particular raided all over Iboland using mercenaries from Abam
People were sentenced into slavery for various crimes or debt but as demand grew
Raids or kidnapping was the main source and this was organised by external forces.

The point is the Umunna level organisation was a victim of stronger better organised forces.

Go and study the works of the likes of Apollos Nwauwa

Guy, stick to what you know. Which raids are you talking about when Aro communities are scattered all over the former Eastern region? How can raid a place and still be living with them?

The people used the trade as a means of getting rid of undesirables. Yes, there were some kidnapping but that was not a major issue.

omonnakoda:
That is a fallacious representation of history

If you think of Iboland as a palm kernel with a core and periphery

There were monarchies in the periphery as a result of conquests from external powers

Onitsga,Eri,Arochukwu Oguta are good examples

Arochukwu terrorised the core of Iboland for generations selling them of as slaves and they were helpless to do anything. It is clear if Europeans did not arrive they would have been forced to coalesce into something bigger.

The idea that their model served them well is fiction

They were just developmentally backward compared to their neighbours.

Arochukwu is a classic example of dulosis
The Akamkpa came from modern day Cross River,Akwa Ibom and installed a monarchy in Arochukwu their own deity Ibini Ukpabi as well as Okonko,Ekpe traditions and used that platform to plunder the disparate villages for millions of slaves which were sold via Bonny.

When you hear Asari Dokubo boasting about how they sold Ibos it is not empty talk. The Ijaw were not as many but better organised and they too sold millions of Ibos.

Is it not striking than when you read slavers memoirs you hardly hear of Efik Ijaw,Ibibio slaves from the Bight of Biafra.

What you hear of is mostly Ibo slaves sold by Ijaws, Ibibio

Neither the Aro nor the Ijaw sold slaves because they were “terrorizing” the Igbos. From all accounts, most of the slaves were not obtained through warfare.

The Ijaws were simply middlemen because of their coastal location (just like the Ijebu sold a lot of Yorubas). The Aros had (still have) a community in Kalabari and Asari’s ancestors success in the trade was most likely because he was originally Abam (a people from present day Abia who had a strong confederal relationship with the Aro).

Real men don’t beat their women. That is why belts were invented.

Please no beating, just flog her with your belt.


Don’t use the buckle oh, before you kill someone’s daughter.

I go like go this kind church because na weed them go they use do holy communion.

LeOstrich:
Funny enough, Israel is the capital of electronic fraud and they usually mask as Nigerians.

Even China is not left out. They carry out mass attacks on servers. In North Korea, financial fraud is an official government revenue source. But my people will be yapping crap about rubbing their poverty stained name in the mud.

omgtzsammie:
Nigeria my country... No wonder bill gates wants to start his covid vaccines with Nigerians.. This few criminal elements are busy rubbing the name Nigeria in the mud.. it’s well though

Can you stop this “ rubbing the name Nigeria in the mud.“ it sounds like inferiority complex.

When it comes to this kind of computer fraud, 9ja no even register where Russia and other Eastern Europe dey. Even Indians are doing a lot more of these sorts of fraud.

The thing rubbing your country in the mud is your endemic poverty.

Maadoo:
I really don’t think so, I’m very sure many of those factories/companies in nnwei or in Aba are not owned by Anambarians or Abians, to which many will be owned by Imo indigenes too. Investors look for where they will enjoy economics of scale as well. I’m aware Tummy Tummy noddles factory is based in Anambra but the owner of Tummy Tummy is from Imo state, same as orange drugs have a factory in Onitsha, but he is from Imo state. ABC transport is the biggest brand in transport and Cargo in Nigeria today, he is also from Imo. So please, we need to drop these complains, afterall, the investor did his viability and feasibility research, to know which will generate for him the most return on investment, before investing his capital. An imolite can have a tissue paper or soap manufacturing company in Nnewi and build his hotel in owerri. It works well.

Tourism is all well and good, but what quality of jobs does it provide? How much do waiters, bell boys and the like make?

When people talk of Aku rue ulo, it’s not just for bragging rights. You want to provide good paying jobs to retain our best and brightest and fund our government to further develop our potential.

I don’t believe that an exclusive focus on tourism is suitable for a state like ours given our population density and factor endowments.

Moreover, an over reliance on any single income source is a looming danger for an economy.

GavelSlam:
There is SARS and COVID-19.

Both are Coronaviruses.

SARS is caused by SARS-CoV whilst Coronavirus is caused by SARS-CoV 2.

What a patent was made for earlier was SARS.

Why are you asking all these questions?

Ehn?

Are you an agent of the Jewish, Illuminati, Rothschild New World order intent on wiping out 95% of humanity?

Lol

Jewtube! Smh

computergenius:
The information in this post is for the consumption of people with an intellectual mind. eg Professors and academics. A couple of professors have actually approached me. It is not for narrow minded people. Remember people with low IQ post insult rather than logical argument. If you dont have something good to say just keep quiet.

Nice weed.

LLobiorah:
Can you imagine, You are bringing MI OKpara who had funds in his hands from the eastern region, that comprises SS and SE to Dave? Please don't try that, I beg you. Respect that leader!

Then again, in the few months of MI OKpara did he touch the whole region? Was every sector working like mad?

He doesn’t have to make every “sector work like mad”, all he needs to do is understand his priorities and face them. It’s not because you’re a civil engineer, you continue wasting public funds building irrelevant nonsense.