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The adam myth has certain truths in it, but it is a jewish myth to explain our existence. There are possibly truth in these myths, which at first came from ancient Sumeria and Babylon, but at the time they were written down, became mixed with fairy tales.

For example l believe Genesis 1 is a profound chapter and we can learn a lot from it. but Genesis 2 is slightly different.

They all however give us a foundation for faith that we are made in the image of God to dress and keep God's earth.

MuttleyLaff:
You're right, and for the record, no one to my knowledge on the thread has proposed that trinity is needed for salvation. The brethren are breaking the bread of Hebrews 1:1-3 together and invite is for any to join if they wish to

l said that because the guy l quoted said it's affecting his christianity.

Middleborn:
This piece is very educative. I think it destroyed the trinity. I've stopped attending churches because there are a lot of objections I have about the teachings and doctrines in mainstream Christian churches. The Trinity in an example.

The point was made by Biblespeaks when he laid bare Matthew 24:36, where the father is said of knowing something which the son or the Holy Spirit doesn't know. There wouldnt be scriptural passages like this if there is a triune God. Maybe Ihedinobi3, Shadeyinka or MuttleyLaff could make a comment about this. I would be glad if they tried to.
I think the Christian Church has been fucke'd up since long ago....we're all in the mess.

The spirit is God, he searches the mind of God and is the movement of God, so the spirit knows all things.

Jesus doesn't know all things in his human self , but in his subconscious self which is the Spirit he knows all things

So jesus on earth only knew what the spirit revealed to him.

Jesus at the beginning may have expected that God would make him king of the jews( sent only to the house of Israel), but it became clear to him that God had a bigger mission for him than that. Jesus knew that he would die but later on became fearful of the ordeal he was to go through and asked that the cup be taken away from him if possible( that again was the flesh speaking). When jesus prayed this prayer, the spirit would also have felt the pain of jesus from his human mind, and this was an emotional moment for God. ln the end, God could only send his angel to strengthen jesus, giving him the power over that suffering instead of saving him from the suffering as jesus wished.

Jesus was a man like you and l but was very connected to his other self.

Middleborn:
This piece is very educative. I think it destroyed the trinity. I've stopped attending churches because there are a lot of objections I have about the teachings and doctrines in mainstream Christian churches. The Trinity in an example.

The point was made by Biblespeaks when he laid bare Matthew 24:36, where the father is said of knowing something which the son or the Holy Spirit doesn't know. There wouldnt be scriptural passages like this if there is a triune God. Maybe Ihedinobi3, Shadeyinka or MuttleyLaff could make a comment about this. I would be glad if they tried to.
I think the Christian Church has been fucke'd up since long ago....we're all in the mess.

You don't need trinity for your salvation, what you need is a worldview of the kingdom of God, the cross, and the mysterious resurrection.

shadeyinka:
Even though I agree with you, the closest description or explanation of trinity is the TRINITY of MAN.

1. Your Physical Identity (Physical Body) is You (even at death)
This is the person your parent, friends and even your dog know as you

2. Your Spiritual Identity (Spiritual Body) is You (even at death)
This is the person, God, Angels, Demons and satan know as you

3. Your Personal Identity (Your Soul) is You (even at death)
This is the person you call "I", "Me", "My", "Myself"

Rev 6:9-11:
"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, do you not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given to every one of them; and it was said to them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brothers, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

Their bodies were on earth (slain, buried etc) but they were still fully represented in heaven. They could speak and even put on white clothes.

HOWEVER:
The Light of the Sun is NOT the Sun
The Heat of the Sun is NOT the Sun
The Fusing Hydrogen of the Sun is not the sun. The sun is the "round ball" we see in the sky which emits light and heat through nuclear fission of hydrogen gas.

The attribute of the sun is to give light and heat BUT neither light nor heat is the Sun.

A lesser illustration is the electron:
An electron is a Wave and Yet an electron is a Particle.
A particle has characteristics different from a wave and a wave has characteristics different from a particle.
In Physics, this seemingly contradictory BUT verifiable phenomenon and paradox is called "Wave-Particle Duality of Matter".

Well l know that my definition of the trinity is not the orthodox one( and I don't care about that).
My definition of the trinity is that there is the Father(the only true God) and both the son and spirit comes from the father.

lf you use the analogy of body, soul, and spirit, you get more confused, because the body, soul, and spirit together make up one person and are not seperate persons.

The bible is clear that jesus is the image of God and had the fullness of the Godhead in him bodily, so jesus had a dual nature of full humanity and full spirit, the difference is that his very spirit or subconscious self is Holy Spirit, so that jesus is now both God and man.

So l believe in the incarnation of God's Holyspirit as jesus the christ, but not trinity(as defined by the council of Nicea).

The difference between us and jesus is that the fullness of the Godhead dwelt bodily in him, but together we are the body of christ. So on our own we have Holy Spirit in us but we are not God like jesus, but when we all come together as one operating through the spirit we become the body of christ( or the body of God on earth).

Ladylite:
NOTE he was talking to people who may have been married.

The Bible also says if your EYE causes you to sin.

See, stop trying to draw a thin line of inference. You cannot think Holy thoughts and masturbate


Philippians 4:6-8

Also the Bible says as a man thinks in his heart so is he.


Let's not flog the issue.


When people want to sin... They start explaining scriptures to suit their damaged minds.

Ok let me ask you a question: Are humans sexual beings or not, and did God create us this way?

Notice that l am in agreement with you that we must guard our hearts,but my arguement with you is that the verse you quoted is a warning, it wasn't to make us feel guilty whenever we have sexual thoughts or we get immediately aroused, but to alert us to the danger that this could result to if we continually dwell on those thoughts, but scripture is not denying that those thoughts can come naturally.

This is not about making excuses for sin, but reading scripture practically and humbly.

Ladylite:
Matthew 5:28
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.



So tell me while masturbating you will be reading Bible abi?

Masturbation is aroused by sight or memory... So that scripture applies.

The scripture you quoted is only telling you that sin starts from the heart. lt is thesame thing with murder, if you bear grudges and hate your neighbour without a cause, then it is as though you committed the physical murder already.

As humans, these things happen once in a while when we see beautiful men and women, and jesus knows that. So your scripture would apply perhaps against excessive porn for instance.

The scripture is just a caution to make us aware that the birth place of sin is the heart, so when we look at another man's wife lustfully, we must learn to guard our hearts against it immediately.

But note that it says Adultery.

Eazyclick14:
I'm not arguing with you...

I heard pastor Chris saying it... that why I'm asking

Not everything in life is about sin. The question of masturbation and its effects can be studied by human science, and from that we know that it has both advantages and disadvantages.

lf you masturbate and it destroys your body( the temple of God) only then can you call it a sin( if you want to use that word), if it causes weakness, memory loss or affects your sperm.

If as a guy, you train yourself to last longer in bed through masturbation and experimentation with your penis, then this is helpful to your sex life, and l don't see why you should call it a sin as long as it is not done in excess

But if you are addicted to porn and masturbation for no good reason other than your desires(lust of the flesh) then you should apply some self discipline by making it once in two weeks at least.

ln general, masturbation should only be helpful to you, as a means of sexual release( once in two weeks) or to help against quick ejaculation or prevent medical problems, but it should not take the place of an active social or sexual life

All things are permissible to me but not all things are required.

The major question is who/ what is God?
The closest analogy that makes sense to me(though still imperfect) is that of the sun.

The Sun is a gaseous burning substance, but there is light and heat from the sun.

The sun only reaches us through it's light and heat, which causes evaporation from the waters.

Genesis 1v3, The spirit of God moved upon the surface of the waters.

The Spirit is this mysterious light and heat which proceeds from the father. In the beginning (according to Genesis) there was the father and the spirit from the father, and then God made man in his image(that is to say God gave him something of that spirit) making him a living soul.

ln jesus there was the fullness of that life giving spirit even from birth, so that the authors of the new testament could freely speak of the man jesus as though they were speaking of that same light(spirit from God) that created the world.

ln some form of Jewish mythology they equated this great spiritual presence of God as an Angel( the Angel of Exodus), so the author of Hebrews( as well as John's gospel) corrects this notion saying that this is not an Angel, but that same spirit of creation who finally made his home in jesus in order to express himself to us, and seeks to dwell in us in a richer manner as well.

ln the eyes of God only that which has the spirit is alive, anything without the spirit is dead because it would eventually pass away without the power for another life in it

This is my understanding of trinity

You are right op, but still it depends on your target, your advice applies mainly to would be software engineers, but to academic researchers, data analysts or scientists, l think Python and R still cuts the cake. lf we want to really concern ourselves with the concept of algorithms and data structures, then C programming language would be the best for that.
C# and Java comes in for apps and websites.

lt all depends on what you want to do.

paxonel:
if i were you i will go back and digest the full story of what conspired when Jesus to told the man to enter life keep the commandments

Matthew 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

That means something was still lacking with the commandments the man has been keeping from youth. To solve that problem read verse 21

Matthew 19:21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Come and follow me to where?
To Jerusalem were Jesus will be crucified and resurrected where heaven and it's treasures will come down to earth at his resurrection.

Note : this instruction of selling and giving to the poor and come follow Christ is not for us today. The instruction was for that man and anyone who want to be Jesus disciples at that time, not now.
So, understand the time difference.

There was no kingdom of God at that time Jesus gave them that instruction because Christ has not yet been crucified.
Today in our time there is kingdom of God because Christ has been crucified and resurrected, therefore were are greater than John the Baptist and all Jesus disciples at that time Jesus was not yet crucified, including all the prophets of the old testament and their commandments Matthew 11:11

okay so now that there is a kingdom of God, how do we live our lives now in this new kingdom? aren't we to follow the teachings of the king in this kingdom which is christ himself? for example live by the beautitudes and the sermon on the mount?
jesus said for instance, that you are forgiven of your sins by God as you forgive others who trespass against you, he also said mainly to people go and sin no more.
Jesus came to destroy the work of the devil which is sin and slavery, so we must sin no more and live by his commandments such as

Do unto others as ye would have them do unto you

Love thy neighbour as thyself


Whosoever wants to do the will of God and ask for the Holyspirit, and is a seeker of righteousness, shall be filled,

rottennaija:
Compare the scriptures below. These are no parables.

St. Matthew 25:41
"Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, 'Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his demons!

St. Matthew 25:46
And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life."

Jude 1:7
And don't forget the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with sexual immorality and every kind of sexual perversion. Those cities were destroyed by fire and are a warning of the eternal fire that will punish all who are evil.

Revelation 19:20
And the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who did mighty miracles on behalf of the beast—miracles that deceived all who had accepted the mark of the beast and who worshiped his statue. Both the beast and his false prophet were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.

Revelation 21:8
But cowards who turn away from me, and unbelievers, and the corrupt, and murderers, and the immoral, and those who practice witchcraft, and idol worshipers, and all liars—their doom is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death."

My man, eternal fire and eternal heaven are symbolic ways of teaching in the bible. jesus often compared the punishment of the wicked on the day of judgement to the fires of Ghenna( a refuse dump in Jerusalem with never dying worms) where symbolically the fires never quenched and the worms never die.


The fire is an eternal fire prepared for the devil and all of the wicked, and fire in the bible is a symbol of God used sometimes for complete destruction, or for refining. Even jesus himself said everyone shall be salted with fire( Mark 9), all of these do not necessarily mean physical fire but a symbolic way of complete destruction or at other times for pruning. You must learn to read the scriptures with insight and their historical context.


lf literal physical Hell fire was such a great teaching of the bible, how is it that you could only mention not more than 7 passages in all of the new testament which you think proves your point?

What l understand from the bible is that the wicked would bear the punishment for their sins and every man would be judged according to his deeds, so it also makes sense that all of the wicked suffer differently in that state of symbolic eternal fire. God is not unjust to punish people infinitely for finite sins or like some have proclaimed for mere unbelief in doctrines.

paxonel:
no!
That is a misplaced priority!

We believe in Christ in order to have everlasting life, that is the first priority, the only reason Christ came to earth to die.

John 3:16 ...whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life.

So Christ is the way to everlasting life not the way to his commandment.
Infact, his commandment has been there long before Moses and that did not achieve eternal life.

Was that what jesus taught you? what did jesus himself say, to enter life keep the commandments, then deny yourself take up your cross and follow me. Stop interpreting the gospels by the epistles, rather interprete the epistles in the light of the gospels. Read the teachings of jesus and live your life in that reality.
Jesus himself came to teach what the kingdom of God should be like on earth, his death was a foundation for that kingdom, so that by his own blood he bought for himself a multitude from across the world who would make up that kingdom.
lf one doesn't practice what jesus taught, claiming that all he came to do was to die? how then can one claim to be a follower of the christ?

paxonel:
no!
There is no other way of the father but to have faith in Christ only.
Christ teachings are not the way, Christ himself is the way.

christ is the way in what sense? the end goal is simply to keep his commandments, this is the reason you are told to believe in christ in the first place. To believe that he has authority to give those teachings, and then obey the teachings, and secondly to share in the fellowship of his sufferings.

jesus himself defined what it means to follow him...

You must deny yourself, take up your cross, and then follow him. lt's active work, and involves building for the kingdom of God. The kingdom of God is a reality on earth, and was meant to be on earth, in this world.

paxonel:
to be a Christian means to believe in Christ that's all, nothing more than that.
If you like be armed robber or prostitute it doesn't change anything, you are still a Christian.
From the stand point of God's view, you are not different from bishop oyedepo and adeboye

A Christian is a follower of the way, armed robbery and prostitution is not part of the way.
The fact that christ is a friend of sinners simply means that he wants to call them out of those ungodly ways into his way( the way to the father).

DAVIDMOE:
what about the story of the rich man and Lazarus. in which Lazarus was said to be in Abraham's bosom and the rich man in hell?

How can a rich man burning literally in a fire ask for water to cool his tongue? does that make any sense to you? why does he have a tongue, seeing that he is a spirit? and do spirits get thirsty? would water satisfy them?
Come on, this parable is not a teaching about hell but a warning to the rich pharisees who despised the common people, to let them know that in God's eyes they are the ones who are poor and hungry, lacking even a drop of the water of life( the word of God) while Lazarus representing the poor in spirit have the true wealth in the spiritual realm( the eyes of God) and hold the true legacy of father Abraham. lt has nothing to do with your doctrine of everlasting torture in a literal burning inferno.

rottennaija:
I'll get to hell fire soon. You are reinventing the idea you feel to answer. The question is, is Jesus your mediator? Do you believe he is your high priest and mediator?

What does your question have to do with the topic my man?

Hell fire is not even in the old testament, neither can you find it in much of the new testament.
The clearest passage about the description of a so called hell in the bible is in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, and that parable if taken literally raises more questions than answers such as:

1) A rich man in torment of the fire having all the time to look up and converse with Abraham

2) Water was his major concern

3) The man though dead, obviously had a tongue that could take in water like living humans, he also could even get thirsty.

When you combine all of these together, you then wonder why people use this parable as the proof of a so called hellfire after death.

peterincredible:
going good I asked because i am taking the udemy course "Complete Python Bootcamp: Go from zero to hero in Python 3" by "Jose Portilla" and in the course after finishing the python 3 he then put another folder in it for python 2 am just thinking wont it be a waste pf time taking the python 2 as well i think i guess right will just ignore the python 2 part of the course"
and as for the tutorial it is going very good how your side na ?

python 2 would no longer be maintained from next year onwards.

ehinmowo:
Thanks. after about fours days of consistent search for solution, I finally found a way around it.

Oh nice, so how did you resolve it?

ehinmowo:
yes

Well search on stackoverflow.

One answer from there that may be helpful, is that you pip install pyqt5.

This is the only answer l have seen specific to your problem.

ehinmowo:
good day everyone!

before I post the error, let me quickly give you the background issues behind it. i was using VS code for coding. Planned to switch to jupyter notebook. I downloaded anaconda distributor. the issue now is that the anaconda works fine but none of its contents works. both jupyter and spyder are returninng error. They will only open but i can run any code on them.

jupyter notebook keepys giving kernel error. i have spent about three days on this. updating and downlaoding everything the internet says. the full error message is:

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\Users\pc\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python37\site-packages\tornado\web.py", line 1699, in _execute
result = await result
File "C:\Users\pc\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python37\site-packages\tornado\gen.py", line 742, in run
yielded = self.gen.throw(*exc_info) # type: ignore
File "C:\Users\pc\Anaconda3\lib\site-packages\notebook\services\sessions\handlers.py", line 72, in post
type=mtype))
File "C:\Users\pc\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python37\site-packages\tornado\gen.py", line 735, in run
value = future.result()
File "C:\Users\pc\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python37\site-packages\tornado\gen.py", line 742, in run
yielded = self.gen.throw(*exc_info) # type: ignore
File "C:\Users\pc\Anaconda3\lib\site-packages\notebook\services\sessions\sessionmanager.py", line 88, in create_session
kernel_id = yield self.start_kernel_for_session(session_id, path, name, type, kernel_name)
File "C:\Users\pc\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python37\site-packages\tornado\gen.py", line 735, in run
value = future.result()
File "C:\Users\pc\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python37\site-packages\tornado\gen.py", line 742, in run
yielded = self.gen.throw(*exc_info) # type: ignore
File "C:\Users\pc\Anaconda3\lib\site-packages\notebook\services\sessions\sessionmanager.py", line 101, in start_kernel_for_session
self.kernel_manager.start_kernel(path=kernel_path, kernel_name=kernel_name)
File "C:\Users\pc\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python37\site-packages\tornado\gen.py", line 735, in run
value = future.result()
File "C:\Users\pc\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python37\site-packages\tornado\gen.py", line 209, in wrapper
yielded = next(result)
File "C:\Users\pc\Anaconda3\lib\site-packages\notebook\services\kernels\kernelmanager.py", line 168, in start_kernel
super(MappingKernelManager, self).start_kernel(**kwargs)
File "C:\Users\pc\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python37\site-packages\jupyter_client\multikernelmanager.py", line 110, in start_kernel
km.start_kernel(**kwargs)
File "C:\Users\pc\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python37\site-packages\jupyter_client\manager.py", line 240, in start_kernel
self.write_connection_file()
File "C:\Users\pc\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python37\site-packages\jupyter_client\connect.py", line 476, in write_connection_file
kernel_name=self.kernel_name
File "C:\Users\pc\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python37\site-packages\jupyter_client\connect.py", line 141, in write_connection_file
with secure_write(fname) as f:
File "C:\Users\pc\Anaconda3\lib\contextlib.py", line 112, in __enter__
return next(self.gen)
File "C:\Users\pc\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python37\site-packages\jupyter_core\paths.py", line 404, in secure_write
win32_restrict_file_to_user(fname)
File "C:\Users\pc\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python37\site-packages\jupyter_core\paths.py", line 359, in win32_restrict_file_to_user
import win32api
ImportError: DLL load failed: The specified procedure could not be found.

Have you added the anaconda to your Path in Environment Variables?

bunnae:
Then why did codecademy.com start there in their datascience skill path?

The problem is that the word Data Science and Data Analysis are used interchangeably sometimes even by firms.
SQL is a query language for database administration used in business analysis, data analysis and backend web development.
Pure Data Science may involve all of data analysis( which may require SQL) as well as programming/ machine learning for some, while for others it may exclude the aspect of data analysis. But most people usually think that if you are a data scientist, you also know every aspect of data analysis.

shegzhkn:
so u got PyCharm professional license key ?

you can download community version

Electroweb:
Thanks for the pointer. I was wondering since Python is a recent software, shouldn't one be grounded in the older programs?

python is not a recent software, it's even older than java.

Grandlord:
So I just started my self-taught tutorials on python and I'm loving it already! I feel like a fish taking to water. Awesome stuff.

I feel like i made the wrong career choice a decade ago. I should've majored in computer science in the university.

All the same, I think I'm gonna go on a big ride into this world of software and tech. I'm excited!
Anybody else starting out on programming?

lol yes coding is cool, but note that you just started and you are in for a long ride, but if you have the zeal, patience and time, l believe it would be worth it.
lt could get frustrating at times, but it's super cool and no matter how frustrating, l personally find it more fulfilling and enjoyable than many things out there in my opinion, because coding is both art and science in one, especially the aspect of coding that involves creating new stuff.
But note, that coding and/or programming is only an aspect of computer science, not all of it.

Champjar:
Hi,Guy's
Good Afternoon
Please, i have a question
For beginners in data analytics,which is the best/easiest language to learn for a start

Hmnn, data analytics may just be more about tools like SAP, Tableu, PowerBI, SQL, Excel, and then maybe one of R or Python.

bot101:
I have used Python for object recognition model training in the past, and understand a bit about its architecture. I can boldly state, as someone else earlier mentioned, Python is a language that is best used for machine learning. A scripting language that is best suited for non software engineers that need to automate tasks, not for building enterprise systems that need to scale on demand.
If you need to do enterprise level stuff, and would prefer to use a language like Python, you are better of switching to Golang, an enterprise level scalable language with the simplicity of Python. That still doesn't mean you would be able to do all the things Java can with it either.

Java is popular for enterprise level stuff simply because java has always been the default language in enterprise(java was revolutionary in the mid nineties compared to c++), and legacy code is important. Politics also play a role here.
The belief that python is not scalable is a myth because there are so many large scalable softwares with python predominantly at their backends, such as Instagram, and Dropbox. Also popular websites like quora uses python predominantly. The truth is that it's not that python is not scalable, but it lacks static typing which is useful in large projects, but professionals in python who are used to dynamic typing can handle almost anything.
However python is not the best for all kinds of software, and java also has it's problems.
Note also that unlike C and C++, both java and python do not relate properly with the hardware.

bot101:
Seriously!! You want to compare a dying Flask to Spring??
Who uses Pat today? As for embedded systems, don't even go there. Java has dominated the non low level embedded systems space since forever, and that's not going to change anytime soon. As for Kivy, that's a dead project.

lol, we can keep going back and forth on this, but you can compare spring to django, and flask is a micro framework for static projects mainly.
However, l agree that kivy doesn't compare to anything in Java, but that's it.
lf you know java more, then use java, but relegating python as just an easy common language with limited use cases is definitely wrong.

bot101:
Please no dey talk wetin you no know. Python is used extensively for machine learning, beyond that, it isn't used that much, now compare with Java that's used on the backend, mobile apps, embedded systems and desktop apps. Get this, Python can't get anywhere near Java with regards to its extensive use as well as its insane speed.

Wow you are the one without knowledge here, python is used for all of that and even more.

For use, python like java is general purpose programming language with as many use cases.

As for speed, python helps developer speed because of lesser boilerplate code.
For computer speed, it's almost irrelevant, because many of the popular python libraries were written in C.

Java only arguably exceed python in terms of it's static typing in large projects. Even that is a subjective arguement.

Web backend....Django, Flask
Mobile apps.. .Kivy( not like that of java, so java wins here only)
desktop apps....Tkinter, PQt, etc
Embedded systems....Python is one of the best choices for embedded systems after c++.

Go do your research man.

iCode2:
Wow thanks so much for your response. I was confused about the top down and bottom up approach but I've seen your reply to the guy who asked.
How long did it take you to be proficient? At least to handle some projects. I plan to start out with html - css - javascript - bootstrap - jquery - angular - php - larave-sql. l After this I'm torn between going with python or java.
Someone suggested I add c# and asp.net. What do you think about this learning path?

l haved worked with Tkinter for some little projects and then played with django to an extent, but Pandas for data analysis has been my major focus.

Learning Pandas and machine learning libraries like scikit learn didn't take me a long time(say a few weeks) because you can find almost everything on stackoverflow, and there are lots of structured projects already, but they both take a very long time to master and work with independently, you would still need Google and Stackoverflow for lots of things even when you master them.
With django and flask, you would have to learn so many other things, you would definitely feel like you are out of the python domain especially with django.
l started with structured projects on the internet, then began to personalize these projects and build upon them after a long time and then finally began to have my own little ideas.

Practicing with structured projects on the internet is easy, but it could take you so many months to transition to the stage where you begin to implement your own ideas successfully and confidently.

When you know enough to kickstart your own idea or build upon previous projects without slavishly following an existing project step by step, then you know you are making good progress, but getting to this stage on your own and without a work or school environment, is difficult and could take months or even years for some.
By this time, freelancing on very small projects or a job or practice school with more project ideas would help. Even an online course with so many projects would be helpful.

You have chosen the right part with html, css, javascript and sql. lt's best to begin with front end frameworks (in my opinion), and then knowledge of sql is vital for almost all backends.

As for the java/python confusion, it's not that important, just begin with anyone, and if after weeks you think it's tough, try the other route.
There should be no pressure to choose one or stick with one, they are just tools by the way, and you can pick them up anytime.

But then if you are to learn php and laravel, why not perfect that first, and make money with that before worrying about java or python?