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Christianity Etc › Re: Feminists Who Don't Submit To Their Husband Will Exhibit The Curse From God by Daejoyoung: 6:53pm On Dec 12, 2019

PervertProphet:
I am just reading up on this post.

I don't get Jesusjnr. What's the dispute between Jesus and Apostle Paul?

Please explain to me because I am lost as to where exactly you are headed with "you are following Apostle Paul and not Jesus"

Are you a Muslim?

Many people have problem with apostle Paul. lt is believed that paul corrupted christianity.
lt is also believed that paul spoke against the law contrary to the teachings of jesus and many other things in Paul's letters they don't like. ln addition to that, paul's writings are very hard and full of theology.
l do not agree with paul on many occasions, but l agree with him when it comes to the jewish laws and the role of laws generally.
Keeping the laws of Moses does not justify you before God but rather carrying out good works borne out of faith and love.
People who misunderstand Paul on this issue think he was at odds with jesus here, the misunderstanding comes from the belief that jesus wants us to keep the laws of moses, but nothing could be farther from the truth.
Whenever jesus spoke of the law, he was referring to moral laws, the guidelines and principles behind those moral laws, and he wanted us to keep them even better than the scribes and pharisees. The everlasting laws of God are not the laws of Moses but the principles guiding all moral laws of men in all nations, and this is what jesus was focussed on.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Did Jesus Do? by Daejoyoung: 6:30pm On Dec 12, 2019

Lightangel65:
Without Jesus all souls would be dammed to hell. He came to erase our sins and by believing in him we are saved.
Our souls are immortal, our body is just a vessel that can die but our souls leave forever

So what did jesus do to save us from hell?

Christianity Etc › Re: Without righteouness and purity you cannot enter heaven. by Daejoyoung: 10:54am On Dec 12, 2019

elated177:
It appears you have a different view of who he is? So, answer the question.

You may be right about that, but if l answer the question you would not understand. Maybe you can start by giving me a template to work with, tell me who he is to you and why you think l have a different view, then l can start from there.

Christianity Etc › Re: Benny Hinn Goes Back To His Vomit With Oyakhilome by Daejoyoung: 10:50am On Dec 12, 2019

jesusjnr:
I can say for a certain that Benny Hinn is a true man of God but I can't say the same for Chris Oyakhilome.

The problem I have observed with Benny Hinn over the years is the lack of focus. He doesn't have the focus of a Reinhard Bonnke, and that is what distinguishes between both men for me.

Benny Hinn today would be sober and really fired up for God, the next moment he's distracted and chasing something else.

I believe he truly loves God and that is why he feels remorse after a while, unlike some other church leaders whose hearts are stone-hardened against the Truth.

I feel his lack of focus and total submission to the Will of God as the likes of Reinhard Bonnke has prevented him from reaching the heights God intended for him as such ones.

I can remember hearing the words of Kathryn Kulman who Benny Hinn often talked about for the first time, and I was hearing a spirit speaking not human, the difference was very clear.

I was really surprised that she was the one who inspired Benny Hinn, yet she sounded so different from him, and operated at a different level from what I have come to know of him.

I really hope he gets it right because God is the one that always loses whenever we don't yield ourselves completely Him.

And the loses are counted in souls which He payed so dearly for.

God bless.

How do you know a true man of God?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Without righteouness and purity you cannot enter heaven. by Daejoyoung: 10:25am On Dec 12, 2019

elated177:
Who is Yahushua the Messiah to you?

How is this related to the topic?

Christianity Etc › Re: Without righteouness and purity you cannot enter heaven. by Daejoyoung: 9:59am On Dec 12, 2019

elated177:
Aren't those part of the Ten Commandments?

lf you love your neighbour as yourself, you don't need commandments to tell you not to slander your neighbour, or steal from him, or kill him.
You don't do all these, because you wouldn't want it done to you.
Don't live by commandments, live by worldviews and principles and create laws for society from such principles.
Jesus did not come to give commandments generally, but to teach us God's principles from which societies could derive new commandments for their situation.

Christianity Etc › Re: Without righteouness and purity you cannot enter heaven. by Daejoyoung: 9:28am On Dec 12, 2019

elated177:
Actually, I don't follow Jesus. I follow Yahushua the Messiah. Jesus is not the name of my Master.

Whatever name you call him.

Christianity Etc › Re: Without righteouness and purity you cannot enter heaven. by Daejoyoung: 9:28am On Dec 12, 2019

elated177:
Now it is obvious you have something against the Ten Commandments. Do you think the Ten Commandments are doctrines? You are beginning to sound almost bitter.

Matthew 25:31-46 is part of obeying the instructions of the Father in heaven. You are the one trying to make a doctrine out of it.

Are you saying you can worship demons, take care of all the orphans and widows in this world and inherit the kingdom of YHVH Almighty?

Are you saying that the one kills, commits adultery, steals, slanders others and covets, but feeds all the widows and orphans in Nigeria is doing right and will inherit the Kingdom of YHVH Almighty?

Whoever loves his neighbour as himself would never steal, slander, or covet from them. That's a contradiction.

You say l am trying to make a doctrine of Matthew 25v31-46, but these are clearest teachings about hellfire in the entire bible. So why don't Christians generally base their doctrines on Hellfire from it?

Christianity Etc › Re: Without righteouness and purity you cannot enter heaven. by Daejoyoung: 8:49am On Dec 12, 2019

elated177:
The Ten Commandments teach us how to express love for our fellow human beings.

Why stop at ten commandments why not all 613 commandments?

Christianity Etc › Re: Without righteouness and purity you cannot enter heaven. by Daejoyoung: 8:48am On Dec 12, 2019

elated177:
How is this love expressed? What does it mean to love your neighbor?

Do unto others as ye would have them do unto you. These are the law and the prophets.

ln Matthew 25v31-46, according to jesus whom you say you follow, the only thing that takes you to eternal punishment is lack of love that does nothing about human suffering not laid down rules or set of doctrines on how to worship God or not worship God.

Pure and Undefined religion before God is this:
To visit orphans and widows and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.
James 1v27

Christianity Etc › Re: Without righteouness and purity you cannot enter heaven. by Daejoyoung: 8:39am On Dec 12, 2019

elated177:
How is this love expressed? What does it mean to love your neighbor?

Read Matthew 25v31-46

Christianity Etc › Re: The Main Message Of The Bible: The Major Reason The Bible Was Written by Daejoyoung: 8:13am On Dec 12, 2019

Kalixx:
That is exactly the point: there is no resurrection and no hope. Religion is just a conditioning of the brain and an effective tool of control created by sound scholars, the upper echelon of the society, and the elites. The brainwashing is effective when they anticipate your resistance or your contention and then create arguments to defeat it.

That is why there is nothing like unjust oppression; the world you live in is a jungle -- take it or leave it. Have you seen where hyenas steal the young of mammals? These hyenas eat their prey starting from the entrails. They keep consuming while the animal is still alive, do you know what kind of pain that is? Like the king cobra, the black widow spider is notorious for killing her spouse after mating. What does this make her? A murderer!

So will she too be judged when this world ends? Whats her fate? You better come to terms to realise we all live in an imperfect world and the hope for an eternity of bliss was a well-planned generation-premeditated concoction to imprint on our minds, a defeatist mentality and let all our guards down while the elites control the laws and wealth.

It was just an effective check-and-balance to prevent large-scale uprisings of citizens and slaves especially, during the predominant era of slave colonies.

lf all humans have lived believing this(the world as a jungle) not having a faith that justice would surely come, or that there is a judge above the affairs of man( whether this is true or not), how do you think this world would have been like?
lf you believe this, then why not cheat your way through and oppress others to get what you want, especially if you are a powerful emperor whom no one can question or stop?
Your belief would never make society work, that is why pure hardened atheism leads to nihilism, and such atheists have not given our world much. The atheism we have today builds on liberalism which comes from humanism/ deism and all of these worldviews operate by faith, that the world is not a jungle. This is because humanism in the west assumes both the general religious and Christian worldview by default without even knowing it.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Did Jesus Do? by Daejoyoung: 6:33pm On Dec 11, 2019

somnvayina said...(Thou shall not kill.. (there is no way God will be expecting a human sacrifice).... Put all together.. You will find Christianity promotes all what God condemns)..

Jesus' death on the cross was not a human sacrifice. Where did you come up with this idea of human sacrifice?

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Did Jesus Do? by Daejoyoung: 6:25pm On Dec 11, 2019

sonmvayina:
God commandment forbids it.. "thou shall have no other God before me"
Thou shall not make the image or likeness of anything in heaven or on earth or under the waters below the earth, thou shall not bow down to them nor serve them".. Worshipping the likeness of a man, which is something found on earth is forbidden.. Thou shall not kill.. (there is no way God will be expecting a human sacrifice).... Put all together.. You will find Christianity promotes all what God condemns..

Well maybe man is not to make another image of God because man himself is the image of God according to your myth in Genesis 1v26.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Did Jesus Do? by Daejoyoung: 6:24pm On Dec 11, 2019

sonmvayina:
God commandment forbids it.. "thou shall have no other God before me"
Thou shall not make the image or likeness of anything in heaven or on earth or under the waters below the earth, thou shall not bow down to them nor serve them".. Worshipping the likeness of a man, which is something found on earth is forbidden.. Thou shall not kill.. (there is no way God will be expecting a human sacrifice).... Put all together.. You will find Christianity promotes all what God condemns..

Well how do you know that was God's commandment? why do you accept one myth and reject the other?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Is Not God – Reno Omokri by Daejoyoung: 1:45pm On Dec 11, 2019

Amujale:
Kindly research all that you are reading here.

Dont allow false assertions to prevail.

Ask questions.

The evil ones amongst us will continue to defend the wickedness of the Abrahamic religions because of their personal ulterior motive.

Dont let that phase you, ask questions.

Research, learn and study real history.

There are various kinds of narratives running concurrently on Asian and European history, here are the two main ones:-

(a) Their real history which includes all the attempts they have both made to conquer the world. i.e stealing, looting, desecrating sacred sites around the globe, warmongery e.t.c

(b) Fakery. i.e Manufactured history, fantasy and all other made up stories, fake history, fabricated stories e.t.c

So only African history is good? lol.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Main Message Of The Bible: The Major Reason The Bible Was Written by Daejoyoung: 1:28pm On Dec 11, 2019

Kalixx:
You are wise. Leave them, let them keep wallowing in self delusion. They just can't entertain the idea for once that maybe theree is no eternal life of bliss for them after they pass away. That reality is so frightening for them. Somehow they think their souls are more precious than the chickens and goats they will slaughter this coming xmas in the fact that while they kill these animals, they already believe they cease to exist completely, but when any member of their family dies, they hope to reunite some day with them floating in the skies with crowns on their heads.

That is their comfort.

lf we all just die without a future resurrection, then we have no hope in this world, and those who have been unjustly oppressed and died that way out of oppression and cruelty ( like jesus was) are of all men most miserable, if only in this life we have hope.
Then the author of Ecclesiastes would be right, a dog is better than a dead lion.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Main Message Of The Bible: The Major Reason The Bible Was Written by Daejoyoung: 1:20pm On Dec 11, 2019

Seetto:
So bible has no names, unlike Torah reveals to moses, the psalms reveal to David, the bible was coined from a word and not reveal...
Where in the bible is the word Christianity written
Where in the bible was Jesus born on Christmas day
Where in the bible was it written that you should worship every Sunday
Did God ordained a religion to you called Christianity.
Who first mention the word Christianity according to the bible.

No part of the bible was revealed to anybody. Christians say the bible is inspired book , no one said it's a revealed book.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Did Jesus Do? by Daejoyoung: 12:09pm On Dec 11, 2019

sonmvayina:
Isn't it obvious you are not seeing the contradictions... I guess you just don't want to think for a moment that the new testament might be a forgery because you have invested your whole life on it... It is hard to accept that somebody is telling you the stories are all fictions..

Well, the Jesus story was created after nicea... That is a fact.

Even if the new testament is a forgery, it doesn't matter, what is important is that we must test the teachings by their fruits to know if they are the principles of God or not, if the principles taught within the new testament work, then who cares if it is fiction?
Don't you read Chinua Achebe, Shakespeare, lord of the rings, Marcus Aurelius, and the likes? Many of these are very healthy fictions that promote faith and create worldviews for children and adults.

However the gospels were not born from fiction but from a real person mixed up in decades of oral traditions and retelling of stories about him.
Many things there in all four gospels follow a pattern and can trace back to a real person.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Did Jesus Do? by Daejoyoung: 12:05pm On Dec 11, 2019

sonmvayina:
Your question is no different from somebody asking "what did iron man do?.. Or spiderman or one of the avengers....

It is just for entertainment at best.. But for the Jesus story, the idea Was to mislead and deceive..

That is my stand..

How does jesus story mislead and deceive?

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Did Jesus Do? by Daejoyoung: 11:57am On Dec 11, 2019

sonmvayina:
You are not following my points... OK, let me ask you if you Pope and the head of the Muslims meet and decides to add the quoran after the book of revelation and Calls the new book a different name, will you believe and quote from it? As part of the word of "god"?

As for me l don't believe scripture ends with the bible, l believe one can even write inspired scripture today and why not? that is what Holyspirit does, and he hasn't stopped working.

Do you know about the shepherd of Hermes, it was read widely by the early church, in many places of worship, but it didn't make it into our bible today because they felt it couldn't trace back to any apostolic authority. But the shephered of Hermes was more about self discipline and how we should live a moral life presented to us in the form of visions by the author.

The problem is not with viewing scripture as inspired, the problem is when we deceive ourselves that scripture is not the work of man but of God alone.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Without righteouness and purity you cannot enter heaven. by Daejoyoung: 10:32am On Dec 11, 2019

elated177:
Have I stated any thing contrary?

So what's your point about my point?

Christianity Etc › Re: Without righteouness and purity you cannot enter heaven. by Daejoyoung: 11:04pm On Dec 10, 2019

elated177:
What is your point?

lf someone says l love God and hates his brother, he is a liar, for if he does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen
1 John 4v20

No one has seen God at anytime, if we love one another God abides in us, and his love has been perfected in us.
1 john 4v12

My point is that of the two greatest commandments given by jesus, if any man keeps the second perfectly, he would find it easier to keep the first, according to John.

Also jesus in Matthew 25 judges the nations by how they loved the least of his brethren not by their beliefs in doctrines or salvation formulas.

Those are my points.

Christianity Etc › Re: Without righteouness and purity you cannot enter heaven. by Daejoyoung: 10:49pm On Dec 10, 2019

elated177:
Two, actually.

Matthew 22:34-40 When the Pharisees heard that Yahushua had silenced the Sadducees, they came together, and one of them, a teacher of the Law, tried to trap him with a question. "Teacher," he asked, "which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Yahushua answered, " 'Love YHVH your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the greatest and the most important commandment. The second most important commandment is like it: 'Love your neighbor as you love yourself.' The whole Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets depend on these two commandments."

lf you do not love your neighbour who you see how can you love God whom you have not seen.

For as long as you did this to the least of my brethren, you have done it unto me.

Christianity Etc › Re: God—the Aggressive Lover by Daejoyoung: 2:43pm On Dec 10, 2019

LordReed:
I am not sure why you are asking me this question cos if you didn't already know, I am not a Christian so asking me is kinda off point.

As far as the Christian narrative concerning the afterlife goes, there are only 2 places one can go heaven and hell. If salvation and eternal life is represented by heaven, is hell not left to represent perishing?

That is the christian narrative but the bible has many narratives. Also if you read the gospels, the kingdom of God is not really about going to heaven, it is about God's rule on earth(yes you heard me right, here on earth).

Christianity Etc › Re: God—the Aggressive Lover by Daejoyoung: 2:40pm On Dec 10, 2019

LordReed:
I am not sure why you are asking me this question cos if you didn't already know, I am not a Christian so asking me is kinda off point.

As far as the Christian narrative concerning the afterlife goes, there are only 2 places one can go heaven and hell. If salvation and eternal life is represented by heaven, is hell not left to represent perishing?

You are not a Christian but you seem to have an unchanging opinion on what believe means. When you answer what you think Christians mean by the term...believe in christ, only then can l answer your question based on the passage.

Christianity Etc › Re: God—the Aggressive Lover by Daejoyoung: 2:37pm On Dec 10, 2019

sonmvayina:
God is the divine consciousness personified... Not a Jewish man or zombie

l agree. But isn't it possible for us to see God in a man? seeing that God has no form or shape but is Spirit( according to the bible). Then it is only possible for us to see God in his image which is man.

Christianity Etc › Re: God—the Aggressive Lover by Daejoyoung: 10:43am On Dec 10, 2019*

LordReed:
Then I don't see what you are objecting to.

You didn't answer what perish means.

What does believe in jesus mean to you?

1)To perish and to die in some places in the bible simply means to die without hope of being raised again on the last day.

2) ln some places it means to lose touch with God. ( like Adam in the garden of eden).

3) ln other places it means to rise again, but to rise to eternal condemnation( as in the book of Daniel)

4) ln other places it means to die to a previous lifestyle usually sin.
( most of the teachings of paul).

5)And for the rest of the bible, it simply means to perish literally.

Both you and most evangelicals and/or Christians assume that perish in this instance should only mean no 3 and no 3 alone.

As for me, l don't clearly know what it means in this instance but it most likely means you shall begin to reap the fruits of your own sin, or receive the wrath of your sin both now and in the new age during the resurrection.
What l know is important from that passage though is that the words of jesus gives eternal life, or guarantees resurrection to life everlasting when the new age comes.

Christianity Etc › Re: God—the Aggressive Lover by Daejoyoung: 9:45am On Dec 10, 2019

LordReed:
So when John 3:16 says believe it is wrong?

What does perish in that verse mean?

ln john's gospel, part of the job of the messaiah is to teach us all things

And the woman said, we know that messaiah comes and when he comes he shall teach us all things, and jesus said to her, l that speak to you l am he.
John 4.

So to believe in jesus in John's gospel is to believe that he is messaiah and therefore his teachings about God and eternal life are true.
This is the essence of john's gospel.
ln those days if the people did not see him as messaiah or prophet or one with authority, then it made no sense to listen to him, because he is from Nazareth and nothing good comes from Nazareth. The Nazareens were also not usually amongst the elite teachers or most educated in the law, so the people at his time had no reason to believe in his sayings compared to the teachings of the saducces and pharisees in Jerusalem. He tries to provide proof that he is from God in John's gospel through his miracles and the assurance that those who listen to God in their hearts, would know that his words are true.
ln john's interpretation of the life of jesus, the words of jesus are the key to abundant life, not everything could be written in a book but these are written so that you may believe and have life in his name.

Christianity Etc › Re: God—the Aggressive Lover by Daejoyoung: 8:25am On Dec 10, 2019*

LordReed:
John 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Your not perishing is contingent on belief, how then can you say "we never see anything in the gospels that indicate people go to Hellfire for anything having to do with beliefs"?

Since when did perish equate to Hellfire?
The wages of sin is death.
The day that you eat of this fruit you shall die.
Let the dead bury their dead.

When did all of these equate to Hellfire?

But even if l am to take your interpretation that perish means Hellfire, then what does it mean to believe in jesus? what of the gospel sayings from john that also says:

If you abide in my words, you are my disciples, and ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.
John 8v32

lt is written they shall be all taught of God, therefore anyone who has heard and learned from the father comes to me.
John 6v45.

A new commandment l give unto you that you Love one another as l have loved you.
And elsewhere in Matthew, he says:

And why do you call me lord, lord, and not do what l say.

lt is clear that christianity and what jesus himself taught are sometimes poles apart, for jesus of the gospels( all gospels), his teachings are important and they are all about service to people he called the least of his brethren ( the weak in society). love that requires the laying down of one's life, and forgiveness of our neighbour as the key to our receiving forgiveness from God.

The problem is that Christians use the epistles and Revelation to interprete the gospels, rather than using the gospels to interpret everything else in the bible.

The gospels may not be perfect, but at least they come close to the heart of the Christian message, because they are biographies about jesus and collection of some of his sayings from oral traditions.

Christianity Etc › Re: God—the Aggressive Lover by Daejoyoung: 4:22am On Dec 10, 2019

CAPSLOCKED:
I LOVE YOU ALL, MY CREATIONS. BUT JUST IN CASE YOU DOUBT ME OR MY LOVE FOR YOU, I WON'T SWEAT IT TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU THAT I'M FOR REAL... I'LL JUST SEND YOU ALL TO HELL WHERE YOU WILL BURN, AND COOK, AND WAIL, AND SUFFER FOREVER.

BUT I LOVE YOU.

Actually if we go by the beliefs of jesus in the gospel on Hellfire only, we never see anything in the gospels that indicate people go to Hellfire for anything having to do with beliefs. ln matthew 25, jesus gives a parable about the son of man separating the sheep and the goat, with the nations gathered before him:

ln that parable, the nations based on one condition: lt was that they rejected the son of man, they didn't clothe him, feed him, or care of his sickness.

The nations were surprised because they didn't even know him, or if they knew him, they wouldn't reject him like that, but he said:

The least of my brethren amongst you, the sick, hungry, and homeless.

This parable is consistent with the message of jesus on what is really dear to his heart, and the people who would inherit the kingdom of God, and the rewards they would get at the resurrection of the just

But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maim, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed because they cannot repay you but you shall be repaid at the resurrection of the just.
Luke 14v13-14.

Go sell all you have and give to the poor and you shall have treasure in heaven, then come follow me.

lt seems that jesus imagined that in the kingdom of God, those who are considered the least of the brethren, the poor, lame, blind, maimed, outcast(like the leprous) would surprise everyone because they have been neglected in the society in which jesus lived in.

Also the religous people were very judgemental like we are today in the name of religon, and they judged some people as not deserving of the kingdom of God, so jesus said:

For john came neither eating nor drinking and you say he hath a devil, the son of man come eating and drinking and you say look a glutton and a wine bibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.
Luke 7v34.

Even the poor were judgemental of the tax collectors and hated jesus for eating and drinking with such rich sinners, to which he says

l have not come to call the righteous but sinners unto repentance.

Now when the pharisee who had invited him, saw this, he spoke to himself saying: This man if he were a prophet, would know who and what manner of woman this is who is touching him, for she is a sinner.
Luke 7v39.

Christianity Etc › Re: Without righteouness and purity you cannot enter heaven. by Daejoyoung: 3:35am On Dec 10, 2019

elated177:
The Word of YHVH Almighty is life.

All of the law is summed up in one principle:

Thou shall love thy neighbour as thyself.

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