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Amujale:
A Profesor of Egyptology?

The late Prof. Edouard Naville was one of the world's leading academics in Egyptology.

Just to be clear, you will find that all my sources on Egyptology are routinely reputable academics in the given field of study that is ancient Egyptian Mythology.

ls he a professor of Egyptian Mythology and also Christian Mythology?
For example a person who references similarities between Egyptian mythology and Christian mythology by citing christmas(Dec 25th) as a similarity, cannot be taken seriously by me for some reason, because such a person shows his ignorance of christianity.
So that is why l say no real scholar of the New testament (both believers and unbelievers) expound this view.

Amujale:
Christian arouse by the sword and through the barels of a gun.

The history of Christianity is riddle with all sorts of attrocities against humanity, thats how they came to prominence.

lmao, ok l'll make this easy for you.
My question wasn't how they came to prominence, but rather how come all of a sudden they existed in the Roman Empire as early as AD 50.

Amujale:
Much of the Olde Testaments of the Christian bible contains much content and characters thar are directly copied, plagiarised, sexed-up and fabricated.

All of the New Testaments are full of forgeries, fakery and outright fabrications.

There isnt one character or story inside of Abrahamic religious text that can claim to being original.

Its already been proven that Jesus is fake; and so are all the other made up characters inside of Abrahamic religious text.

lol proven by who?
lf jesus is fake, how did christianity arise in the middle of the first century, with paul writing letters just 20years after and claiming to have met the likes of Peter, James and John and writing about them as though his audience needed no introduction to who they were?

Blabbermouth:
When they are giving you an award for the beautiful art, they should give the pen too.

Except that the pen in this place happens to have become flesh( a person in jesus) so they share in the awards.

Hebrews 1v8 literally quotes the Father praising the Son as the one who laid the foundations of the earth.
So even the Father is the one giving the son the award.

Amujale:
Again, Horus similarities with the Jesus character are distinct in various different ways that includes these below:

I challenge anyone to refute these shared attributes:

(a) Miracoulous birth.

(b) Pattern of speech similarities i.e

here horus is addressing the people of KM.T in the Book of Coming Forth by Night and Day.

Note: Its important to note that due to the nature of the sensitivity of these type of topics towards Abrahamic religious text, their agents are flooding the intetnet with bad literature under the title of "The Book of The Dead".

Yes, The Book of The Dead is the complete translation of most of ancient Egyptian Mythology, hence keep the emphasis on ancient Egyptian Mythology in your search filter. or search for "The Book of Coming forth By Night and Day" or "The Book of Going forth By Night and Day" all books under Egyptian Mythology opposed to any other sort of toxic non-African mysticism.


Any questions?

Now that is clear,

(c) Spectacular events leading up to birth.

(d) Multiple claims to his audience that they are the Son of God.

(e) Claims to know the way to heaven(s).

(f) Mother and Child relationship venevation.
Horus and Isis are the original Mother and
Child Gods[sic]; whereby Horus is the child
and Isis his mother.

(g) Relationship with a wicked adversary;

Horus vs Seth
Jesus vs the Devil character.

In both instances they are provocateurs;
share instances that has relevance to the
throne of kingdoms .

Horus vs Seth and the throne of ancient
Egypt

(h) Dieing and Rising God[sic]

Osiris father to Horus was resurected by the love of his life.

(i) Percieved virtuousness by their followers.

lol this is quite hilarious.
Your so called similarities are weak, so you believe the gospel writers set out to recreate a myth of Horus, and all they could come up with was jesus? come on tell me something else.

No reputable scholar today believes jesus is a myth, because you cannot explain the existence of Paul, James and Christianity without Jesus.
EOD.

Blabbermouth:
By Adam were all Human created doesn't mean ADAM created all human.
THE WORD was God's instrument of creation, so every thing was created by and through it.
Do you comprehend?

lf the word was God's instrument of creation, then of course it is also true that the word is a creator because the word actually did the creating.

lf l use my pen to draw something, then of course my pen was also responsible for that thing, l used it, but it did the dirty job.

To me, this is irrelevant semantics.

shadeyinka:
I think you should answer the question.
if God is a Spirit, how come the Holy Spirit is sent by the Father?


And I showed you why Proverbs is not a book by which to establish a doctrine.

Is wisdom of Female gender?


The scripture below prove otherwise

Rev 6:11:
"And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

How do you explain this?
White robes for corpses?
Speaking to corpses?

Your Body is your Physical Identity
Your Spirit is your Spiritual Identity
Your Soul is your Personal Identity

Don't Angels have Spiritual and Personal Identities?
At least Angel Gabriel is Different from Angel Micheal (note that they don't have physical Identities).

Don't demons also have both spiritual and personal identities?
Mark 5:9:
"And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many."

You asked.....lf God is a Spirit, how come the Holy Spirit is sent by the father?

Well, God is a Spirit and yet the Holyspirit is called the Spirit of God and he even searches the mind of God for the deep things of God. So this means the Holy Spirit is not seperate from God only that the Holy spirit is sent from God to do the will of God like in your analogy of Body, Soul, and Spirit, but then they do not become seperate persons but one person, so that the Holy spirit is an outflow from God, not seperate from God.

You asked about.....Physical, Personal, and Spiritual identity

Well l don't know, but isn't it still one Person altogether? My real confusion is are these identities seperate persons or one person, that is the real question here.

Angel Gabriel and Angel Michael are two seperate persons for instance and so they are not one or are they? On the contrary your soul and your body are not seperate persons.

Angel Gabriel and Michael may be United in purpose but they are still seperate persons, and if l call Angel Michael the only true Angel( as in john 17v3) this automatically excludes Angel Gabriel, giving a quality to Angel Michael that Angel Gabriel cannot have.

Finally you accused me of getting my theology from a book like proverbs, yet you use Revelation to give an example about corpses wearing robes? We all know many things in Revelation are not literal.

I am enjoying this discussion actually, because we are here to learn.

Amujale:
You obviously dont know what you are on about.


Using a google search as your evidence!?

Was actually expecting a real citation or corroboration for Abrahamic religions that is outside of Abrahamic religious text.




You are simply proving my point for me.

Thank you.

Abrahamic religious text are tools of propaganda meant to brainwash innocent people.

Some level of brainwash is so destructive and toxic that it would take someone as us to knock the common sense back into ourselves.

Don't be afraid to be wrong.

Don't be afraid to be successful.

The Abrahamic religions are fake and that has been proven here time and time again.

As you know, in Egyptian mythology, Horus is the god of the sky (and therefore to contain the sun and the moon).

His divine origin is from Isis, who became pregnant in many ways (she was by no means a virgin).

Horus did not have a single incarnation (e.g. born on December 25 of a virgin), but rather multiple incarnations in all of the pharaohs, and—Egyptians believed— was the source of Pharaonic power.

When one Pharaoh died, Horus would assume a new incarnation in the next Pharaoh and the deceased Pharaoh would assume the presence of Osiris.

To be honest with you, the differences between Horus and Jesus are so vast that it does not seem reasonable to believe that a “Jesus myth” could have been developed from it.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://media.ascensionpress.com/2019/01/02/was-the-story-of-jesus-lifted-from-egyptian-mythology/&ved=2ahUKEwj7oIeyx6TmAhUS36QKHfBTAtYQFjAHegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw3yfbxhGfQkg4tkHaoZpJRo

Amujale:
You obviously dont know what you are on about.


Using a google search as your evidence!?

Was actually expecting a real citation or corroboration for Abrahamic religions that is outside of Abrahamic religious text.




You are simply proving my point for me.

Thank you.

Abrahamic religious text are tools of propaganda meant to brainwash innocent people.

Some level of brainwash is so destructive and toxic that it would take someone as us to knock the common sense back into ourselves.

Don't be afraid to be wrong.

Don't be afraid to be successful.

The Abrahamic religions are fake and that has been proven here time and time again.

Actually the person you gave me as proof is not an historical scholar. Scholars don't talk about a so called jesus myth because it's an old arguement. so l gave you a website to help you see that these arguments are old and false.

Let's start from Horus, what do you know about Horus and what are the similarities with jesus, list them and l would show you how they are not true.

shadeyinka:
Because, in the beginning was the Word...and God was the Word

Just like we can truthfully say, in the beginning was God.


Creating doctrine from poem, songs and proverbs is misleading and dangerous. For wisdom here is a figure of speech.

Prov 1:20:
"Wisdom cries without; she utters her voice in the streets:"

Is wisdom a female,?



Let me indulge you by using the Holy Spirit as an example.

The Bible says God is a Spirit .
The Bible did not say "the Holy Spirit proceeded from God" (the Holy Spirit proceed from the Father). If God is a (Holy) Spirit, how then come God is the SOURCE of the Holy Spirit? (I can only be the source of what is lower than me.).
I hope you can see the paradox!

Using your argument, does it not look like a paradox for God to be a Spirit (note: the bible did not say the Father is a Spirit).
John 4:24:
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
How can God be a Spirit (the Holy Spirit) and yet be sent by the Father?

Instead, what we see is what looks like the Father is sending the Holy Spirit (even though God is a Spirit).
John 14:26:
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you."


At the risk of over simplification:
By my Soul , I decide to visit the orphanage tomorrow morning.

My Body carries out the will of my Soul by actually waking up to go to the orphanage.

My Soul is Me and my Body is Me
But Yet
It looks as if my Soul sends my body the errand of visiting the orphanage.

There is no contradiction. This shows the relationship between the Father and the Holy Spirit.

So why then does the bible say the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father? isn't that straightforward enough? l see the Father like the Ocean and the spirit is just a flow from that ocean to all creation, it's simple enough.
This means the Father is the fullness of the Spirit. Holyspirit is the part of the father flowing to us like a fountain.

l used the Wisdom passage as an example of something that was before the world and yet brought forth by God, perhaps you could say it's an attribute of God.

Your soul is not a seperate person from your body, neither is your spirit a seperate person. You are still one Person, that is why l don't understand this analogy of Body, Soul, and Spirit, because at the end of the day, the orthodox trinity holds that they are separate persons.

When you visit the orphanage, your soul and body visits as one person, not seperate persons, are you saying there is no separation of persons in the Godhead, but they are all one person?

Amujale:
The Horus quotation is an extract from the Egyptology textbook known as the Book of Going forth by Night and Day.

source: An extensive translation of Late Sir p. LE PAGE RENOUF, knt. continued and conpleted by Professor of Egyptology at the University of Geneva Prof. E. NAVILLE, D.C.L., cfc, &c.,.


Furthermore, anyone can study those Icon characters to which was said the Jesus character share distinct similarities.

i.e

Horus was born out of what can only possibly be called a sheer miracle and are the narrative of each every other one of the other religious[sic] chatacters.

You dont need to take my word for that, go and research on them with the understanding that they all predate the Jesus character; and come up with your own conclusion.

These are old claims and are no longer taken seriously by scholars, because the so called similarities have been blown out of proportion. Please do more research on this matter, l'm surprised you believe this.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://evidenceandanswers.org/article/pagan-connection-did-christianity-borrow-from-mystery-religions/&ved=2ahUKEwiNtuCnwKTmAhXM26QKHYE3DmwQFjAPegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw0h-R_FZMjZwh8secKWvh9V&cshid=1575754874425

musicwriter:
The origin of all religions - Dr. Robert Bauval

How Europeans hijacked African spirituality to control the world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NisfS4x1R4
The books below explains the history of religions and some of them specifically deal with the history of Christianity.

Books.

Bible myths and their parallel in other religions- T.W Doane
Christianity before Christ- John G Jackson
The sixteen crucified saviors- Karsey Graves
101 Myths of the Bible: How ancient scribes invented biblical history- Gary Greenberg
Jesus never existed- Kenneth Humphreys
Caesar's Messiah- Joseph Atwill
Myth and ritual in Christianity- Alan Watts
Anacalypsis- Godfrey Higgins

I have the above books. Should you need them, email: kemeticphilosophy@gmail

please do more research, these are all old claims that have been debunked severally.

[b]The position that Christianity borrowed from the mystery religions was taught in the nineteenth century by the History of Religions School; however, by the mid-twentieth century, this view was shown to be false and thus abandoned even by those who believed Christianity was purely a natural religion.2 Ron Nash wrote, “During a period of time running roughly from about 1890 to 1940, scholars often alleged that primitive Christianity had been heavily influenced by Platonism, Stoicism, the pagan religions, or other movements in the Hellenistic world. Largely as a result of a series of scholarly books and articles written in rebuttal, allegations of early Christianity’s dependence on its Hellenistic environment began to appear much less frequently in the publications of Bible scholars and classical scholars. Today most Bible scholars regard the question as a dead issue.”3

Despite the fact that many of the arguments were rejected, this theory has once again emerged through the popular writings of skeptics. What makes Christianity unique among the world religions is that it is a historical faith based on the historical person of Christ who lived a miraculous life. In this essay, I will examine the alleged parallels and evaluate whether Christianity teaches a unique savior or is simply a copy of these pagan myths.. In this essay, I will examine the alleged parallels and evaluate whether Christianity teaches a unique savior or is simply a copy of these pagan myths.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://evidenceandanswers.org/article/pagan-connection-did-christianity-borrow-from-mystery-religions/&ved=2ahUKEwiNtuCnwKTmAhXM26QKHYE3DmwQFjAPegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw0h-R_FZMjZwh8secKWvh9V&cshid=1575754874425

Amujale:
You're wrong!

Answer this simple question.

Who owns the legacy of our great continent?

All the Abrahamic religions are the cause for some of the greatest attrocities in all of ancient human history.

The Abrahamic religions murdered their way into our continent and began to stoke up wars and conflict.

For the first time in our continents long, rich and relevant history, Nations began to war against one another based on false and deplorable ideologies; these all occur as a direct response of ancient Arabian and Eurocentric fundamentalist that were allowed to run riot on our sacred soils.

Kindly, go and study the real history of our world.

The people of our great continent and the next generations all jointly own our legacy.

The time to snap out of these type of spectacular fakery that are the Abrahamic religious text is NOW.

Lets concenrate our focus on us, our progress and the coming generations.

Its counterintuitive to buy into falsehood because that only distracts us from the reality that we need to dominate in order to swiftly make the world a better place for ourselves and the coming generations.

Well l am also willing to look into the mythology of my African ancestors and then follow their ways if it is as promising as christianity.

ln the end almost all religions speak about thesame thing such as Love and Self development, if you remove lots of the theologies and myths they are coated with.

But the myths help sustain them in our minds, until we are ready for meat and not milk( Hebrews 5v12)

Amujale:
The proof is in the above posts and here below:



Jesus is an adaptation of older iconic characters as expressed above.

Sorry, l said give me scholarly work to show jesus is fiction. l mean real academia, not any random atheist website.

l am talking of scholarly research from Professors and Doctors of history.

shadeyinka:
The Word does not have a Source for the Word is God Himself.

What is your proof for this? why is it called the word of God? Give me quotes from the bible to explain why you say the word has no source.

Take Wisdom for instance in the book of proverbs, it says the lord brought me forth before anything else. Proverbs 22v25.

ls the spirit proceeding from the Father or not?

ln john 17v3, the Father is the only true God. The only way the word and the spirit are God would then be if they proceed from the father, that is the only way to make sense of that passage.

The father is the very source of the Word and the Spirit, just like the Sun is the source of light and heat, this is what l see in the bible.

But give me proof to show that the Word has always existed.

Ihedinobi3:
I'm afraid I don't quite believe you. You see, you know that there is no proof that there is only one interpretation of the Trinity or that this interpretation is necessary for eternal life. This is something that you are fully persuaded about. I would be wasting my time then trying to explain the Gospel to you. You already know that whatever I know about it is false. So, it is nothing more than a bait for an argument, and I don't care for one.

So, by all means, hold on to what you are so sure of. I do not begrudge you your right to do so. I, on the other hand, will also hold on to what I have come to be persuaded is true too.

Lol, ok if that is how you feel.
But if you believe there is only one interpretation of the trinity, and moreso that it is what saves you, then all you had to do was prove it here saving the soul of those who would be reading, irrespective of my arguments, and let the readers come to their conclusion. But it's okay, l'll let it pass.

shadeyinka:
The Word is a creative Force not the spoken word.
In the Beginning was the Word....
And the Word was with God..
And God was the Word.

God doesn't need a mouth like humans to speak hence the Word is not like humans speaking as the word would have been nothing other than that which was spoken. And if that's the case, the word couldn't have Created anything because the power to create should lie with the speaker not the words spoken.

My question is this: ls the word from the father or existing independently from the father?
Does the Word have a Source?

Blabbermouth:
Whatever HE pleases!!! There are thousand other ways HE could have appeared or designed His second coming. God's ways bro, God's way. He USES angels doesn't translate to He NEEDS angels.
PS: Jesus didn't create the universe.

But your bible says
ln the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the word was God, all things were made by him. John 1v1-3.

Hebrews 1v8 also says the son laid the foundation of the earth.

So what l understand from all these is that the spirit of christ( Spirit of Wisdom) which is Holy Spirit is being referred to in all of these passages.

Because in Genesis, it was just God and Holy Spirit flowing from God creating the world.

Amujale:
Jesus is a fictitious character.

Jesus isnt God.



That is exactly what Horus told his followers in ancient Egypt.

Jesus is an adaptation, an unsafe, unethical and unauthorised plagiarisation of the Horus and various other ancient characters. i.e Buddha, Dionysus, Ela, Krishna, Osiris, Merlin, Romulus e.t.c

What is your proof for this claim? Give me scholarly sources from actual historians who claim this, and the quotes with links.

Maximus69:
Thanks for the thought provoking question!

First of all Jesus is son of the Almighty God (the righteous judge), the armies following him aren't formerly angels, they symbolises his vindication as one having right to exterminate disobedient humans. Revelations 12:11 compared Luke 19:27

These ones were taken from the earth to heaven to rule with him because they proved themselves faithful and loyal till death. So they serve as Jesus' credentials to judge disobedient humans. Revelations 14:3

To illustrate, when a teacher teaches a class of about 80 students and majority of them failed woefully. Nobody has the right to PUNISH any of the students EXCEPT if some students in the same class got excellent during the same assessment!

So those following Jesus are NOT former angels in heaven who never experience the difficulties we face to do God's will in the flesh, they are the born again Christians who were taken to heaven to prove that imperfect humans can do God's will.
In fact it's there presence in heaven that gave Jesus the right to drive away disobedient angels from heaven! Revelations 12:7-11

In fact that's why Satan was desperate in eliminating the first set of born again Christians in the first century, because he knows that if Jesus could successfully gather obedient humans to become God's children in heaven (born again Christians), he (Satan) has no right anymore to be there! Luke 10:17-18

ok nice input.

The lord possessed me at the beginning of his way, before his works of old. ......
Before the mountains were settled, before the hills l was brought forth.

Proverbs 8v22, 25.

lt is possible john was referring to this spirit of wisdom as the word which was in the beginning with God. lt is just a poetic way of saying the wisdom of God was made flesh to us.


And the word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us.
John 1v14.

lt's a simple sturv.

shadeyinka:
You seem to forget that
The WORD became the Son.

Is God the Father of the Word?
A scripture to elucidate would be appreciated.

ls the Word not the word of God? Did the word just happen to appear on its' own?

shadeyinka:
It is very simple
1. Your Body is YOU
It is your Physical Identity.
With your body, you interact with the Physical world.
Your body is sensitive to physical stimulus and has power to change physical state.
Your body is visible in the physical realm because it reflects light to other physical beings.

Your Spirit is not your Body
2. Your Spirit is YOU
It is your Spiritual Identity.
With your spirit, you interact with the Spirit world.
Your spirit is visible in the spirit realm but invisible in the physical realm.
By your spirit you are recognised and identified in the spirit realm.

Your body is NOT your Spirit.
3. Your Soul is YOU.
It is your personal/self identity (this is how you recognise yourself).
Your soul is visible in the spirit realm but invisible in the Physical realm.
Your soul interfaces to both your Body and your Spirit.

The Body, Soul and Spirit are three different Identities that make up YOU.

Death is simply a Disconnection between the Body and the union of the Soul and Spirit.
Even at death, you are completely represented by your soul and spirit.

Same way, the Father is God
The Word is God
The Holy Spirit is God
Even though,
The Father has His Identity
The Word has His Identity
The Holy Spirit has His Identity

ok quick question, when the son was on earth, was he God? lf yes, didn't he have a body, soul, and spirit? so by your analogy did it ultimately become 5 persons in one God?

LordReed:
So Jesus coming is spiritual not physical?

ln a way yes, in my understanding the book of Revelation is like an action movie, more like game of thrones. lt was for all intent and purposes a symbolic vision more like Ezekiel and some parts of Daniel.
lf you look at that passage, the one on the white horse destroyed his enemies with a sword from his mouth ( that is to say his word).

But others may disagree with me and they have a right to their opinion

LordReed:
So what were they supposed to understand about the army?

ok, as saint paul says: "We wrestle not against flesh and blood but principalities and powers".
So we are spiritual armies of christ fighting against the rulers of this world with the word of God( a sharp two edged sword).

LordReed:
So this god that supposedly made the universe all by itself, is revealing itself in power and glory now needs servants?

lol, it's what happen when people take a symbolic book like Revelation literally.

Maximus69:
ATHEISM has damaged some people's brains to the point they couldn't grasp simple logic anymore!

Imagine the most stupid question ever "why a KING needs ARMIES?"

Well, they felt that since it's the soldiers that protects their human rulers, the same must be applicable in the case of a supernatural being.

But in the real sense the ARMIES surrounding a King symbolises the vastness of his domain!

The quote says "heavenly armies", meaning the authority of such a ruler surpassed all that an atheist (whose intellect only manage what his eyes can see) could possibly grasp!

But l think his question is that: if jesus is God and can do anything why would he need an army to fight a battle?

LordReed:
So Jesus as Lord of Lords, is supposedly coming back in power so why does he need an army? His power is not enough to deal with his enemies? He needs backup?

Revelation is not a literal book, it is a vision.
The author uses powerful symbolic imagery both he and his audience could easily understand.

Ihedinobi3:
Believe me, I really don't care what you believe. If you are seeking to be saved, I'll be more than happy to explain the Gospel to you. In fact, it would be an enormous privilege on my part to do so. If you want to understand what the Bible teaches, I'll be more than happy to explain what I see in the Bible to you. Otherwise, what you believe is really your business, as far as I'm concerned.

My concern was merely to show you how the Trinity is woven into the Gospel. The Jesus in Whom one chooses to believe CAN be the wrong one. If he is, then one is not saved by believing in him. If one believes in the right Jesus Christ, then they are saved. That is pretty straightforward.

So, if you believe that there is no Trinity in the Bible, and the Jesus Christ that you believe in is not part of the Trinity, then you should have nothing to worry about. If you are convinced that the Trinity is not important for salvation, then you also have nothing to worry about regardless what you think of the Lord Jesus in respect to the Trinity.

In other words, if you think I'm wrong, you really shouldn't even be concerned about what I said about it. I personally have no interest in debating it. The way I see it, either it matters to our Salvation Who Jesus really is or it doesn't. If the Trinity is in any way a part of that question, the understanding it correctly is critical to our Salvation.

Yes l am willing to be saved, so explain the gospel to me.
l am not saying you are wrong or that the trinity is false, l am saying there is no proof to show that there should be only one interpretation of the trinity and that this interpretation is necessary for eternal life, because trinity itself as a doctrine (unlike say the divinity of jesus for instance) is an interpretation of the church and has no clear verse in the bible stating it, unless you can prove otherwise.
My arguement therefore is that if that is the case, then what proof do you have from the scripture that someone's salvation is tied to the orthodox interpretation of trinity?
By orthodox interpretation, l mean three coequal seperate persons in one being.
Where is this particular definition of trinity in bible? how is it important? and how does it give you salvation?
Explain to me your understanding of jesus, first from the gospels, and then the epistles.
l am just asking questions to learn.

shadeyinka:
@Bolded is very correct as
The Father, The Word and The Holy Spirit is ONE God.

Note:
1. In the Beginning, God Created the Heavens and the Earth
2. And God Said, "Let there Be....." "And there was..."
3. Col 1:16:
"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:"

So from 3, the question is who
1. Who created the heavens and the earth?
2. Who said "let there be.. and there was..."?

Don't forget that it is the WORD that became FLESH who as the Flesh is known as the SON or Jesus.

The JWs have created two gods (one big one and a small one).
Any description that creates multiple God is a heresy!

The Bible says "God is a Spirit": we call Him the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit isn't just something that comes from the Father: No!
He is God Himself.
Acts 5:3-4:
"But Peter said, Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not your own? and after it was sold, was it not in your own power? why have you conceived this thing in your heart? you have not lied to men, but to God."

The explanation is simple enough!

The explanation is not simple enough, if you say the trinity is made up of three separate persons but one being of God, then body, soul, and spirit is a flawed analogy, because body,soul,and spirit is still one being and one person, not three separate persons.

xproducer:
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There is only one GOD! Yet, GOD mercifully reveals to mankind more about Himself.

"For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one." - 1 John 5:7

Let us not concern ourselves with things beyond us, rather (in praying without ceasing and reading the holy Bible) - seek GOD's mercies and grace.

Isaiah 55:6-7
6 - Seek the Lord while He may be found,
Call upon Him while He is near.
7 - Let the wicked forsake his way,
And the unrighteous man his thoughts;
Let him return to the Lord,
And He will have mercy on him;
And to our God,
For He will abundantly pardon.

1 john 5v7, is not an original text but was added in the 13th century, this is very clear, but l have no trouble with that.
Still even if we take this verse, it doesn't give us the details about a so called trinity, whether they are 3 coequal persons or stuff like that.

Ihedinobi3:
Hello.

Anyone who fails to recognize the Lord Jesus to be Who the Scriptures say that He is and the Nature of the Sacrifice that He made for us cannot be saved.

In other words, only the Jesus described by the Bible is the One Who saves us. Not just any Jesus anyone makes up.

The Jesus Who died for us is the Word Who was with the Father and the Holy Spirit before the Universe was created. That is, He is a Member of the Trinity. That is the Jesus in Whom we must believe to be saved.

Then again, the Sacrifice that He made for us is His leaving His Perfect Estate as God to become a Man like us and suffer the Death of the Cross in order for us to be saved. This is what we must believe in order to be saved.

So, if you have trouble believing in the Trinity, you have trouble being saved. Only believing in the Jesus revealed in the Bible and His Sacrifice for us will save you. Nothing else can.

Tell me about the jesus described in the bible especially from the gospels.
The trinity is not a teaching of the bible, it is a church doctrine based on their understanding of the bible and therefore can be interpreted in different ways.

Jesus did not come to preach trinity but the kingdom of God as a reality on earth.