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ichidodo: true. Which is y lagos is no man's land.

Lagos is not no mans land...it belongs to yoruba people...dont delude yourself

kutchs: Pls educate me here, I think I have forgotten.
What did Obasanjo actually withhold? Is it allocation meant for Lagos as a state or allocation meant for LGs in Lagos.
I know the two are not the same, pls do help me clear my confusion.

There were no grounds to hold the lagos state allocation...i believe it was the LG funds that were withheld...
if anybody tries to hold anystates allocation...the truth about how lazy we are, will show itself.

thelastPope: I thought they said this man is intelligent. He just keeps blowing it! Without oil, lagos will be like Ekiti state. 75% of businesses in lagos are directly or indirectly dependent on the oil industry. Where will he get the tax from? Without oil, over 60% of Lagos population will return to states to farm. Where will he get the revenue from? He just doesn't get it. The whole structure and business flow of Nigeria will change without oil. States like Delta, Akwa ibom, Cross rivers, Rivers will be forced to fully utilize their ports. He just doesn't realise that the real beneficiaries of nigeria's oil are Lagos and Abuja. The ND state just started collecting 13% a few years back. Lagos has been benefitting since the 60s. Festac town was built entirely with oil money.

You mentioned festac alone, what about the several roads, ministries, head quarters of everything, ports, sea and air, any and every thing the federal government was involved in was set up in lagos, that attracted private business to follow and thats why lagos became an industrial hub...
People forget that lagos was not a state previously but a federal capital territory

See abuja today, as a federal capital territory ..it is receiving so much fg presence and investment...in 115-20years time one idiot will come and tell that that Abuja can survive without oil...after it was developed by oil

aribisala0: I think you better direct that tone to your father or mother not to me. Do not address me like that. I am not here to be insulted by anyone

Tell your parents to culture rightly

I was wrong, The FPSO is actually at the northern corner of the field as seen by the yellow dot in the picture, the red area are the field, Bonga and Bonga SW(the new development coming up), from the system map measurements, it about 300sqkm

aribisala0: I see you like to go around exchanging insults with people that is your style.I am not interested in playing that game with you. I stated a "belief" about why SNEPCO located their office where it is and you say I am LYING .
Lying about my beliefs Really I am confused
At any rate you are not able to tell us where the field is by way of coordinates but claim it is twice as far from Lagos as the Delta. I don't know how you know this.

You asked bolded" Did I say the average Lagoian does not enjoy the bonga dollar? Read my posts again to see if I said that.
I no not see any prospects of intellectual commerce with you really there is simply no prospect for that.
I would like to implore you to change your style and be more civil.

Then stop the lying and pretense...you know very well why Snepco is located in Lagos, stop trying to seem aloof to what is happening, its beneath you.
I gave the coordinates derived from our map system, if that is not ok for you, then sorry...maybe you may have to try Bitumen locations then

centje: well let's hope he has a reason. But if he steps out of office without tackling some of these issues then i would still rate him so.

I just have this feeling that GEJ will make alot of drastic decision towards the end of his tenure especially if he senses he is not coming back to the seat.

Fair enuf

Demdem: Dacrazy, why dont u simply face the topic and share whatever info u may have gotten which is not privy to us than bringing up the issue of ur cursed offspring. Kindly create another thread if u need help in that regard

Now you want me to share info abi...so what was the basis of the statement that he should focus more on transmission?

Demdem: and u are simply a rabid useless dog that simply takes in whatever is thrown at him without critically examining if its of any good either to him or his system. Left to u, whatever the retardeen is doing or has done needs not to be critically examined afterall, he is our fellow brother that needs to be supported no matter what.
i pity ur children and all those that has to do with u that depends on u for sustenance which are crumbs from the retardeens table. If only they know that u are cursed and whatever benefit they may be getting from u is simply temporal.

Please can I know how you have constructively criticized the developments in the power sector?
How can you constructively criticize a program you know nothing off...

When you saw the progress made you shamefully stated that he should concentrate more on transmission, I am sure without know what efforts are going into transmission.

jp philips: i am glad you have given up on Bro. jo, on electricity now, lets quickly go open a new thread for our kids, shameless nitwit supporting a confused govt, and you believe you wont have this conversation with your son when the time comes,

son: I heard it was bro. jo that spoiled Nigeria
da lover: yes my son
son: were you born then?
da lover: of course in fact i was the PDP flag bearer of my street
son: Daddy what is PDP?
Da lover: the party that destroyed Nigeria
son: and you supported them? what did you gain? just this small table fan and poultry? papa i think say you get sense
Da lover's wife *steps in*: pikin don't mind your father na me get the poultry na only the table fan and umbrella wey spoil he carry come back

Can you imagin, GEJ spoilt nigeria!!?? where do you see I have given up on GEJ? when the future is very bright...

pazienza: Who asked nigerians to save you from the ibos/biafrans? Well adaka boro and ken saro wiwa did. You have been saved,so live with it.

Lets assume they did ask Nigeria to save them...does the present situation of the Niger deltans show a people that are saved?

aribisala0: Thanks for the kind words
I believe Snepco's location in Lagos may or may not be related to the actual location in Nigeria political/derivation context.Shell will be driven by operational cost and security.It is even possible that he is right but I choose to keep an open mind and deal with facts rather than sentiment.The reason for asking the coordinates is complex but maps are models and do not necessarily reflect reality especially for a subject like this. The other thing is the field once appeared on Google map and was miraculously deleted.Lagos state indigenes are not that well educated and are not prominent in the oil industry and so I don't see them getting any particular advantage because SNEPCO is in Lagos. Is there oil in LONDON ?? why is SHELL listed there ??
We are talking about a state where governors and others come from elsewhere sometimes

At bold part...y would you choose to lie this way?/? being in Lagos is because of security and operational cost? what?
Check this...being twice the distance from Lagos...helicopter flights cost twice the amount from Lagos
accommodation in Lagos cost more, cost of office complex etc in truth NNPC foots 55% of the bills, hence this faulty logic keeps going on
as per security...white experts working for shell in Lagos are assigned the same security detail as per when they are in the Nigerdelta
Pipeline vandalization is..dont need to say much here because we know about the issues in lagos and the latest ondo fires....

The truth is that the head offices were situated there long before the security situation deterioted in the ndelta...so what was the original reason?
NAPIMs (national petroleum investment management) who are supposed to be watching how their 55% is being spent in the nigerdelta are all sitting in lagos, they then fly into the niger delta of flight, stay in hotels in PH and warri and we are talking of cost?

Having a liaison office in London is different from running your main operations from London, whites are not that dumb to locate operational offices away from the raw material source...its only a wasteful country that would encourage such and only a very deceitful set of people guided by selfish tribal motives would try to defend it.

Did you say the average Lagosian does not enjoy the bonga dollar? please tell me you are joking? where does the states monthly subvension come from? your free education who paid for it? your subsidised pms, who pays for it, your NTA, what runs it? your roads, who pays for them? Your MAUL, who funds it? even your LASU, where does the money come from? your banks where does the bulk of the money passing through them come from? insurance companies etc...look ..eh infact

Seunn11: Aribisala,

I doff my hat for the mature way you have been interacting via this thread. I admire your levelheadedness.

Da lover,
I understand the angle you are coming from. You are very passionate about what your think belong to Bayelsan people. I salute your courage to speak your mind freely.

Now for my own knowledge, I would like to know what coordinate the oil field Bonga lies.
In your post, Da lover, you concluded from the supposed Shell's map that the oil field belongs to Bayelsa. The contradiction with that is that if that is true, then SNEPCO would have been operated from Port-Harcourt as it would fall under their Eastern operations. Is it not economical to do that?

As it is now, the location of the field does not seem to belong to any state as far as the law of the land is concerned. It seems to be located off western coastline of the country though.

I am opened to education on this.

You are right in your assumption that Snepco ought to be run from Bayelsa, the first full fledged offshore infrastructure by shell in Nigeria was in the shallow waters off bayelsa named sea eagle, this was before shell delved into Bonga field, but you know Nigeria is always a strange country where the powers that be determine what should happen whether it is right or wrong...

We were all in Nigeria when the Abdulsalam administration moved the shipping HQ (an administrative building) from Lagos to Abuja, so much noise was made by the SW that when OBJ entered power, one of his first actions was to move it back to Lagos...The argument by the SW then was that there is no sea in Abuja hence the administration of shipping activities should not be done in Abuja. This is the same Lagos that has hosted NNPC HQ for many years despite no oil in Lagos.

Up on till 2000 or 2001, SPDC head offices were located in Lagos, after several complaints it was moved to PH while the more lucrative snepco was left in Lagos, I might have ignored Aribisala0, but this is a public forum where others may one day get information so I decided to state some of this facts..The cheating is just too much, I have been with SPDC since 2002 so when I say there is a lot of cheating against the Nigerdeltans in the oil industry, i know what I am talking about...the northern military governments shared oil blocks to themselves and the SWers running the oil companies have kept the oil industry in the SW where they can easily organize things for themselves..

Aribisala0 in your usual arrogant posture has told the world that the reasons why the Ndeltans have limited opportunities is because they lack the skills to be employed...my response is that this is the height of both ignorance and arrogance as Shell has one of the best training programms in the world hence the preference for graduates as against mature recruits, there is a lot one wants to say about the injustice happening but I simply believe that all will be better if people are allowed to control their resources and pay taxes...what ever the value...

if resource control was then allowed aribisala0 probably would be conducting a research on the location of bitumen or soo

Seunn11 to answer your other question bonga location is 4deg 37' 1.069E and 4deg 33' 20.956 roughly, the distance between it and the nearest pint on the nigerian coast is roughly 100km (bayelsa), it is 156km to the nearedt point in Ondo and 200km to the nearest point in lagos.

aribisala0: You appear to see the world from a unipolar perspective. Nigeria came together as regions not as Niger Delta which is a geographical and and not a political entity.It is doubtful that an independent Niger Delta would have survived without molestation from Igbos,Yorubas or Fulani if Nigeria did not exist not to mention Cameroun and others. If the British had not come the Delta would probably be Igboland today.

This idea that an unmolested Delta would somehow exploit oil in in the gulf while others clap for them is naive.Find out what is happening in the China Sea and international waters elsewhere. The point I have made repeatedly which eludes you is the location of the fiel in the continental shelf and what that would mean if all Nigerian coastal states were independent nations.

Regarding monies paid to FG whatever name you call it tax or derivation is neither here nor there The FG was getting more than the region on Natural resources. who says FG cannot tax you 99% .
You are asserting where Bonga is but the only available evidence is a map which you and I know will change if ever there was a country called the Niger Delta. Rather than benefitting from the oil the coastal states would use it to buy arms fighting each other till it runs out

I will not argue about where the field is because that is partly why I opened the thread nothing you have said suggests you know where the field is. I suggest you contact Shell like I have done and hear what they have to say.
Leaving that to one side I am not quite sure what you mean by "JOBS meant for NDeltans" that is a meaningless concept and the only way you can make that meaningful is to break away from Nigeria.
Otherwise all jobs are open to ALL Nigerians.What about Fulani and Kanuri Youths are they not left out too? I do not think reducing things to the lowest common denominator changes anything.Either we are one country or we are not and if we are not.The Hausa Fulani will tell you to pay him for the lives lost protecting you from Biafra.You can never finish paying that. If Niger delta youths are left out so are others.bottom line there are too many people and not enough cake which brings up issues of "it is my cake" where were these Delta Youths when Ibori stole 100s of millions of dollars or Alams or Etiebet or what is happening now.

Apparently you are still yet to break our self mentally away from the yoke of slavery forced upon u by ur dependence on oil..
Firstly as long as São Tomé , UAE are mot being molested by Cameroon or Saudi, your argument in that regard olds no water...hope that issue is cleared...

Secondly insinuating that the NDelta is not mature enuf to handle itself is yet another insulting way you have come to look at he Niger deltans, all this talk of fighting ourselves and dooms day predictions for the nigerdeltans managing their oil...shows a very low level of thinking that I find quite shameful and desperate.

Where did the Nigerdeltans ask nigeria to save us from the ibos or Biafra? Do you call our present condition as being saved?

My problem with your post is that it typifies the average Nigerian mentality...which how to wait for oil money to continue living instead of thinking of practical ways to use your oil sponsored education to generate wealth....what is wrong with each region or state putting in place conducive environments for investors to exploit its resources and pay taxes to FG.

If all Nigerian states were independent nations I believe that bonga would be in bayelsa country were it is now....

Is it that the Fulani man, kanuri man etc does not have resources to exploit, intelligence to create wealth or what?

I actually prefer to pay 99percent tax than be given 99% derivation because we can be productive and manage our resources...

While I am not saying that all oil company jobs should be held by held by the nigerdeltans a situation where they can't even get into the oil sector in any form is totally wrong...it can only be reversed if the control is handed over to the communities..

The map I posted is one I retrieved from the shell system cos that is where I work...consider it as authentic as u will ever get.

jp philips: do you have any information contrary to what is evidenced above? if you don't, why don't you continue hiding in oblivion like you ve always did, people like me really enjoyed your absence please don't ask me why.

Still on the loose exposing your ignorance and looking for subsidized livelihood...pity the children u r bringing up....don't ask me why

nagoma: Igbo's will never allow this country to function. Today is the anniversary of their ethnic cleansing murderous coup of15 th February 1966- the beginning of all the trouble and they are still at it. This woman wanted to recruit only Igbos . She thinks this is Biafran immigration service . ;

I guess reading is a strange phenomenon to you? Was she sacked? You have rejected all advises to moderate brukutu intake, now see where it has gotten you....she retired normally and the report writer decided to add the last hot news item about her, that does not in any way mean she was retired be caused of that....
Now you attack her because she Favoured her people in recruitment, why single her out for a common place activity?
Before he rise of ND nationalism NDeltans were not Favoured in NNPC, northerners and SWers were sent on trainings, favorable postings etc...did anybody sack anybody?

Igbos will never allow this country to function so your solution is to organize bi annul killings on the slightest excuse...animal!

Eko Ile: Face the topic of discussion, how I sleep is my business, not yours.

i hope your blind haterade of anything Igbo does not burn a hole in your heart, cos at this rate you would achieve more than hitler did, if given the opportunity and power....please show me where there is sack in the write up?

The statement signed on the minister's behalf, read thus: "I am directed to convey approval of His Excellency, Dr. Goodluck Ebele, GCFR President, Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, for you (Mrs. Rose Chinyere Uzoma) to proceed on your pre retirement accumulated leaves.

"On behalf of the Hon. Minister of Interior and all members of the board, I wish to thank you for your service to Nigeria. The board wishes you good luck in your future endeavor. The statement by Dr. Attahiru concluded."

All the same, if the sack of an Igbo woman is what will give you joy that some pain has been brought to the Igbo nation...please feel free to indulge yourself in those fantasies...

aribisala0: Leaving the allocation to one side. Let us look at the £3.6 billion that was spent in setting up the site. Multimillion dollar contracts were awarded to AMEC and ABB. Should our government not be insisting that any company that wins such contracts MUST
1) Incorporate itself and pay taxes in Nigeria
2) Employ and train Nigerians in those unique competences specific to FPSOs
3 Use Nigerian lawyers,banks etc.
They even have Oyinbo cooks on those FPSOs
You will hear that Figure of 3.6 billion as Foreign Direct Investment in Nigeria but in reality cheques would be written and cleared in London and little of that money will enter our country wilhe tax will be paid by those companies to THEIR countries. In 2011 there was a major spill from that field with no consequences for anyone compared to what happened in the Gulf of Mexico the previous year.We really need clued up people in our corner

yes but the challanges are that when this happens, the NDelta youths are left out...right now Bonga is being operated from lagos instead of Delta or Bayelsa...so much lost to those states...

You mentioned earlier thst during the period of regions the regions recieved a percentage derivation...this is not true...trhe region controlled its resources and paied tax to the center...if the ND were to control the oil resources, there is no way the Ndelta government would allow Job meant for Ndeltan to be grabbed in lagos.

aribisala0: Really? Do you have any evidence for this??

No, I am relying on the complaint by northern politicians that the ND states are collecting too much..they listed the offshore income to the ND states as one of the sources and even recently threatened to embark on a court action to reverse this.

This was in the news some time ago...now
do you have contrary evidence?

centje: This appeared like a fiction to me...one horror movie. If this is true then i also think GEJ is truely weak. How can he be in power and still allowed this kind of jungle justice on his people go unpunished.

Man....when you are fighting on many fronts, you have to choose additional battles wisely...

Eko Ile: She was fired.

If it makes yo sleep better...ok then! haba

aribisala0: Please do not lie or misquote me. I DID NOT SAY IT BELONGS TO LAGOS. I suggest you read my post carefully if you are interested in having a sensible discussion

But do you understand that the revenue from Bonga accrues to bayelsa?

aribisala0: That is not how the law of the sea works my friend .The oil is underground and is NOT a point on a map .

As far as NIgeria goes RIGHT now NO STATE is getting anything . WHY??

Demdem: that improvement is exactly what i want goon. am only concerned about the amount we have spent so far for so little. that itself shortens my joy

You are like a hungry baby that keeps yelling for food...you will never appreciate that mummy has to take time to prepare the meal...as far as you are concerned a magic wand should be waved and thing will start happening...
I can bet you are not a married man, have no children, have not managed a project of consequence or anything of sort...

thelastPope: I know you will never acknowledge GEJ. lol. If you do, you will instantly grow old and your ears will fall off! I can understand.

Be patient with him, like the dog he is...he will lick up all he has vomited...

Flyboy Zee: She was not sacked. If in doubt, please read the OP again.
She was asked to proceed on her accummulated and pre-terminal leave.
Just in case you don't know, all public officers, civil servants inclusive are to proceed on a terminal leave at the end of their career or appointment. This is a regular civil service procedure. Why are you guys spreading false information, polticising and overheating every action the Government takes. This is not fair o!

PS: Do you know how many public officers have gone for their terminal leaves so far this January?

This was actually my understanding when I read the post, but to my surprise the title and the responders must have understood differently or had some mischief up their sleeves...
This yoruba-igbo war sha...it really dulls peoples reasoning abilities

executinal: Really? just read some article about how he ended up with woman in a hotel room . How true is this?

It is very true my brother, he used nigerias money to import indian prostitutes...thats how patriotic and competent he was

Demdem: u mean u and ur miserable kind goon? read the entire thread.

Don worry, with time, as you see improvement, you will have to keep your bad belle to yourself...hope it doesnt kill you in silence..
desperado!!

See actual map, it is on the border between delta adn bayelsa, but still in Bayelsa