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i have often wondered how we nigerians can justify using national or federal might to preventing the people of the niger delta from personnely exploiting their resources, sezing this resourses, and go ahead to share it to everyone, |
Prof, should please hint us how this SNC would be organised, exactly how are the delegates going to be selected? Secondly, an SNC should have no limits, including discussing how to go our seperate ways, |
Beaf:Lols, only Hercules did not observe the violence |
captleonerd:Please confirm that while the so called peaceful protest, others who desired where able to go to work? Or 100% of everybody was protesting? Confirm that vehicle owners and road users were able to use the road without without fear of intimidaion, there no bon fires on several roads in lagos, Apearantly we boh have different definations of what peaceful means. Thanks |
Cleanman:By forcing yourself to believe I am from southeast you actually think the truth way be washed away? If asked to choose between the SE and SW, I will choose the SE, not because they are saints, but because you can see them for who thay are, not pretensive people, who tell you they are fighting for the nation, when thay are actually fighting for their own economic well being, I would rather you said it up front (I am in the fight for myself and what I can benefit), I have pointed out several imes here how the 9ja delta has been systematically sabotaged by SW, The SW should should allow us to benefit from our own resources, put your population to good use, dontt tell me the best you can produce with all your professors is chivata juice and Isolate the oil companies from Lagos, weather you feel I am SE or SS, the truth is the truth, Another truth is that the antagonism against GEJ is not because you truely love the nation, but really because you will loose all you have selfishly gathered, If the Army and Massob have problems, how does that fit into the equation here? Instead of oscastrating negaive propaganda, utilize the time to profer a structural change to this country. |
PointB:Yes o, it really has, the noise makers have had to retreat to one corner and make loud noises like empty barrels.lol Next time there should be a shoot at sight for rioters and vandals. Negro_Ntns:nice attempt, try harder |
dasparrow:A real leader that prevented lagos from burning, i will accept a big thankyou on GEJs behalf |
Only-Rebel:If the sodiers up not have not achieved anything why sending more? Yahoo messanger like you Yes another bomb went of in the north, we are quite aware of the present strategy of the North and the SW against the president, North to burst up in sponteneous and random violence and SW to follow suit with negative propaganda, efforts to disguise these strategy as a religious crises by the north and occupy nigeria campaign by the SW have not worked as planned, The president is standing firm tearing down his enemies one by one, Large populations ought to be a benefit to the rest of the country, see how chinas development has carried the whole of south east asia forward, for years Japan was a developed country, but people still saw SE asia as backward until China with its large population stepped up? So as africa will be seen, until Nigeria steps up, despite SA being developed, so as Nigeria will be seen until Hausa and Yorubas use their huge populations to produce positive results, if all they will insist on doing is use their might to bully minorities out or their resources via govenment patronage and cause mayham and negative propaganda when outside of government, the road ahead is still far, |
EMANY 01:Na wa for you oooo, seems your expectations are too high, are you really expecting people to wait to check facts? and pass up an opportunity to hurl insults? do you know how difficult it is to check facts, when you can immidiately start typing insults, opening the google website, scrolling tru all the returned results, hell no, An Ijaw man in power is just too painfull to bear, additional work wont cut it at this stage. |
where do protest include bon fires and attacking people going to their businesses and shops? Are violent riots and protest the same? The situation was getting out of control, the soidiers are still in their lagos barracks, so if you move, they will move you? olodos. You forget that there are batalions of military on the streets of the north easterns cities for months now, but you wouldnt know cos you are too daft to see anything beyond lagos and and south west. |
BetaThings:because of the precieved threat to SW dominace here, people have refused to even read what NIMASA is about, please spare 5mminutes to go to the website and educate yourselves on the kinds of services provided by NIMASA, But that being said, the more fundamental issue i was trying to address is a situation were the person in power does things benefitial to their ethnic groups, If yorubas are really honest, and not just crying because they lost out this time, then we must all fight for resource control, over years when north and west mismanaged the country and shared the spoils amongst themselves, people stood at the sidelines watching, do you expect them to watch forever? If the oil industry is blatantly dominated by the yorubas, such that they now run oil fields from the SW, do you think this makes sence? The next thing they would say is that we are not educated enuf, well if we want to stop this, lets go for a fair arrangement, where people general wealth from the resources they have and pay taxes to the state. Using the media to scream at the top of your voice when someone does exactly what you have been doing fools no one, that strategy is dead. This is exactly how that screamed in the media in 1999 when president abul salam moved shipping council hq to abuja, they screamed to high heavens that even though abuja was the capital, the shipping council hq (a purely administrative building), should be located near the sea, meanwhile they saw nothing wrong that nnpc hq was situated in lagos for many years before moving to abuja, even napims is still there as we speak, all operations involving napims personal are in the 9ja delta, and they have operated from lagos for the past 35 years, At the end, Obj moved the building back to lagos less than six months he became president. If we are ready to change, lets change together otherwise STFU, |
Wallie:yes definately, there are pros and cons, but i still believe the pros of privatisation far out weigh the cons, like you said, loose regulations lead to wall street issues we experienced, but the solution was tighter regulation, not the government running wall street, yes govt can step in to intervane temporarily like the bank bail outs in the usa, but never run it, regulations can range from very tight to very loose and in between, sometimes failure of government to implement or rationalise policies lead to failures as in the cement case u mentioned, but what should actually come out of this is a policy to create more competition or invertment in the sector, govt involving themselves parmanently in buisness is very bad for business, nigeria is the number one example, People feel that govt must be involved in the oil sector otherwise heaven will fall, thereby denying the landowners blessed with this resource, tghe opportunity to to be the primary benefiriaries of this resource, govt has proceeded to run it under the guise of serving all, providing avenues for rent seekers and tribal goons to seclude the economic of the oil sector to themselves, and when we complain about this primary source of corruption in this country, we r labeled tribalist, thay prefer we keep quite and let them have their way, |
alj harem:this is probably what your teachers in secondary school must have commented on your end of term results, hardly ever making sence, lacks ability rationalise issues, susceptable to crowd mentality, speaks out of term, either because you hid the report sheets from your parents or they glanced over it, the situation wasnt corrected at an early stage and now we have to all bear the burden of you. |
Wallie:govt getting out of business does not mean throwing hands up in the air and allowing private enterpreneurs to freestyle, far from it, It means concentrating on the governments primary function of regulating and policy making, govt does not need to run universities to set standaards and enforce them, or hospitals or refineries or pipelines, just use the relegulatory agencies, some examples are ncc in communication sector, NCAA in aviation sector, this way govt can achieve the following 1 create a level playing field, 2 create a competitive envronment 3 cut down waste from inefficiently run businesses 4 stop trying to enforce laws on itself (imagin dpr demanding that spdc-nnpc JV pay fines for gas flaring), senseless self penilasation 5 possess the moral right and latitude to demand standards by players in the sector, imagin a state govt that runs ram shakle hospitals and schools, turning around to insist that a private enterpreneur must maintain international standards in his school or whatever, 6 deliver much needed services, imagin private investors running nepa, every powwer failure means no revenues, hence he will strive to ensure you get power 7 govt revenues only comes from taxes, very important, because a govt that generates revenues outside its people tax base is not answerable to those people the list can go on and on with regards to welfare, you must know that there are conditions that determine a govts ability to provide welfare, 1 it is never free for all, no matter how rich a country is, 2 production is encouraged, not consumption 3 it is targeted, and those who feel they need it, must justify it on a regular basis 4 the state, local, of federal govenment must be able to aford it without running into deficit, i.e after spending money running the various services a government should provide, the left over funds should be used for welfare, not the other way round, you do not give welfare first and then use the remaineder to run govt services, govt services are to stimulate the economy for growth, meaning more taxes, meaning more ability to provide welfare, but when we decide to all be f00lisish in nigeria because of the presidents meal alloance we loose the plot, |
its understandable for SWerners to attack the president on this, they are known to use govt agencies to perpetuate economic dominance, the use of ex militant or what ever may be seen as a strategy for others who would not stand a chance if a govt agency is used, But the bigger question is how do we stop this merry go round pattern? 1 resource control 2 deregulate and get govt out of business dayokanu:if i called you an idiotic cocoa farmer what would that imply, were your brains siezed at the american airport? |
AOE123:That insult was directed at ACN leaders, are ACN leaders now yoruba leaders? PDP leaders nko? |
sheyguy:If it is a secret, how did ACN get to know about it, or is ACN now into espionage? abeg say someting intelligent |
Negro_Ntns:Thats what they say with thier mouths, but when push comes to shove they show true colours, remember the national confab organised by OBJ, the SS and SE clearly wanted resource control, and recommended it be started from 10% to 50% over a five year period, the North and SW resisted, until the SS and SE member had to stage a workout, The SS and SE had a very clear unified voice on the issue, Lets not decieve ourselves, we are tired of people pretending to fight for so called national interest only to be gently stabing you in the back and killing you slowly, Ok, why is ACN insisting on Maritime Security Agency, MASECA?? if a private ex-militant is too much to handle? navy nko? Stop pretending to care, that all I am asking, I actually prefer a wolf to a wolf in sheeps clothing, At least I am on guard at all times |
Negro_Ntns:Did you see my earlier post? DaLover:How did you think the oil industry got to be controlled by the SW? it will keep being turn by turn until full resource control is achieved, those with oil under thier land should mine it and pay tax, same for those with cocoa, or whatever, thats the simple way forward. |
Negro_Ntns:I feel you, I felt the same way when someone from SWern part of the country sent boots and guns to raze Odi village, remember that majority of the backwaters belong to NDelta, at least thats what the maps say. |
Negro_Ntns:Using words like Creek mumu, drunken fishman, shows how you SWers view us from the NDelta, no problems, keep looking down on us, |
Parisgoodman:I agree with you here, Governments forte is not in running businesses, this is a worldwide established fact, I usually find it quite funny when the same people calling for a reduction in size of Govt insist on govt participation in several business ventures. Th US used private security contractors in IRAQ, its not a totally new phenomenon. |
This appears to be another fight between the nigerdelta and the south west for economic control, the fuel subsidy was one that really showed everybodys hand in plain sight. Th SW would definately prefer a government agency to run it because that is where they have full leverage that has been built over years, while the Niger delta are trying to force their way in using their control of political space, Everybody is fighting for their personnel interest, nobody should be decieved that one party has the national interest at heart, |
where can I watch this oooo, i go die ooo |
Did Fela not say "this uprising will bring out the beast in us"? We certainly see that now with many speaking in a manner that exposes their innate prejudice totally unhelpful towards the search for solutions. So it is now down to b.i.t.ching about the volume of PMS consumed in Lagos without at all making provision for the huge population of the State and how , by far, it is the biggest centre of commercial activities in Nigeria?Whereas Califonia population is a source of wealth to the US as a whole, Lagos is constituting a drain, Whereas great amount of fuel tax is generated in Califonia due to its high population, Great amount of subsidy is spent on Lagos due to its high population, does being yoruba make you dumb Gbawe? How can you compare the califonia -US relationship to the Lagos -Nigeria relationship?? The similarities end in population, full stop. Califonia does not use its huge population to deny texans of their economic benefits and they do not feel they are smarter than other americans, Please behave yourself |
1-that gej is a briliant strategist in handling tense situations- allowed the protest to go on for one week without much police or military inteference, knowing fully well that the area boys would undo themselves, thus when the military moved in, it was generally applauded by the rest of the country, except of course the core marketers and their holigans. 2- the Different regions of the country have their interest they are fighting for. The north for the loss of its political leadership, the SW for 65naira and the SS and SE for resource control and true federalism. |
Gbawe:i guess this the backlash expected after the failed occupy nigeria commedy show, well it is to be expected from our SW brothers, dayokanu:you forgot to add that Tinubu controls the OPC in the west, just to complete the equation, even though tinubu and OPC are saints from heaven. |
jason123:Jason123, take a look at these senerio, whites in america break out into violent protest in white dominated areas of america becasue they are against one of Obamas policies, blacks respond and ask whites not to bring down his govt, insisting that the level of protest has gone beyond the policy issues but is driven by intrinsic dislike for Obama being a black man, who is actually rasist? The blacks or the whites? There was a constitutional conference during the Obj era were the SW really showed their hand, they pretend to all for social justise etc, but when push comes to shove they really are about what would benefit them even at the detriment of others. If truely the fight is against corruption, lets analyse the corruption is nigeria, i would define the large corruption in two folds, both of which the SW have found very benefitial and have refused to attack over the years, instead they have choosen the attack the surface of the problem, The first source of corruption is the lack of resource control, the fact that states sit down and wait for fg to share funds, even those states that boast to people about how many professors they possess, this is a great source of corruption, but do you see the lagos crowd fighting this? Instead you see them fighting and hualing insults at GEJ, they have exploited this to leech onto they meager oil resources avaliable. Let them fight this then the presedent of this country wld not be as important as the governors The second source of corruption is the insistence that government must run everything, from supply and distribution of pms and associated products, refineries, fertilizer companies, railways, schools, ports, hospitals, etc etc, this is another avenue for great corruption ana source of the large recurrent expenditure that is being compained about. It is intentionally left this ay because the hausas and the yorubas use the government control over the years to position themselves and create what they are benefiting today, i have said big government, big corruption, small government, small corruption. For me the corruption issues in this courtry are more structural than personal, and removing one person and replacing with another does not change a thing, change the structure, obviously this is not what to figh for, they want 65naira and govt to continue in its pressent structure. GEJ may not be able to change the consitution with regards to resource cntrol issues, because the north and west will not agree, they dont see their large populations as economic resourses, but as tools to suppress agitations for a sound structure of the country that doesnt encourage laziness, but he can libralise business sector, petroleum, power, etc and make it more open for investors, For some hidden reasons forces at play are against deregulation of the downstream sector. No matter how they try hide under fighting for social justse, we r now much smarter and can see tru them |
jason123:Jason, what people? Is lagos and kano representative of the whole of nigeria? We in 9ja delta are fully in support of a deregulation of the oil industry, like i said before, we call the yorubas and the hausas our oppressors because while they ran the FG, the shared in the spoils, the hausas benefitted from the political angle while the yorubas enjoyed the economic benefits, presently they have strangulated the oil economy to the lagos axis, and we are not happy about it, they control pengassan, the oil marketters, the oil company executives etc etc, it not right, for years they have pushed the 9ja delta people to the side lines while we have watched, we are waiting for the right opportunity, It is not a coincidence that Lagos and Kano where the arrow head of violent protest against GEJs attempt to dereguate the oil sector, they rightly percieve this as the begining of the end, did you se who the major marketters are? You sit down there and tell me i am tribalistic while otedola, tinubu, jimoh ibrahim, danjuma, adenuga, Ibb make billions where you can hardly see an ijaw man, Its only in nigeria that mobil would run operational offices from lagos, denying people of akwa ibom the opportunity to influence decisions on there God given gifts, If we are really sincere about fighting corruptionwe should be asking ourselves key questions about the structure of this country, for me the reason why there is so much curruption is because of the structure, 36 states, 700 lgas contributing no wealth to the common good of the country, lets the lagos and kano protesters insist on resource control, where every states pays at least 50billion naira monthly to maintain the nation and not the other way round, lets get rid of institiutionalized laziness, then i can know that they really want to move on the path of development, A situation wher we complain about the size of federal govt but size expect the govt to brush our teeth border on what most people refer to as hypocrazy. |
it should be scraped quickly, it is usually used to deny graduates of 9ja delta job opportunities, corp members who serve in delta, rivers and akwa ibom serve in the oil companies, while 9ja delta graduates are posted away, after one year, those non 9ja delta pple are retained while our graduates return back to find no jobs, |
we r such a funny set of people, asking for cheap pms, truely the intelligent one are not yet born, unfortunately most of us that should know better have our priorities in reverse. |
whitehawk:when the gra gra was starting, i quickly observed the direction it was going and called it a joke, mainly because the labour union and key opposition were too short sighted to see the opportunity that lay before them, now I am afraid, that the labour and the opposition are fast loosing their moral high ground and will not be able to extract any tangable concessions from the government, Just too sad |
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