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ekwy nwa:
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aribisala0:
Ayodele I respect your opinion you have a right to disagree with me


Since the object of your post seems to be to disagree with me then I think it is dishonest to use emotive words like "BLAME and COWARD"
as if attributing them to me.


My point was simple it was a miscalculation from a military perspective [/b]and Ojukwu himself accepted responsibility for his action which was normal

It is not factually correct that secession was to stop the pogroms which took place in 1966.If that were the case then Ojukwu would not have taken part in the Aburi talks at all

I set out quite clearly what I believe ,as is my own right too.

I do not seek to change anyone's views only that it be clear there are different takes.

Once that is clear ,I am happy.

Let us leave it at that .

[b]Unfortunately there will always be those who believe there are only two sides to this discussion ;Those for and those against the Igbos.They have my deepest sympathy

na wa ooooo, please can you kindly outline some of the alternative actions you would have taken?please i would like you to put urself in a similar position, as the governor of SW region, thousands of yorubas were killed in other parts of the country, train loads of dead yourbas arrived at ibadan for weeks on end, yorubas were too scared to venture outside SW, , you had a meeting with gowon, and agreed on a structure that at least would ensure that this kind of mass masacre did not happen again, also every region would develop at its own pace,
Suddenly you can gowon came back to nigeria, only for muritala, hassan katsina etc to order gowon on to implement his own side of the agreement,
A structure that would ensure that yorubas are not killed willy nilly in the country was discarded on the orders of the people who allowed killing of yorubas,

please what would you have done, bear in mind that the regular killing of igbos in the north has now become an olympic compitition between northern cities since the loss of the war. i really would like to know your alternatives,

whenever i adjust my hat, critics shiver,
Exactly what i see every blessed day on NL,
Somebody makes a post and he and she goats run head long in hurling insults,

How did the order take place?
Was it something like this, hey mD of chevron, either u provide electricity for the communities or quit nigeria,,,,

obviously this this not have happened, but trusting those whose main objective is to manipulate the media until GEJ is as black as possible, ekt_bear, u have failed even before you begin, shame on u and ur ignorant cohorts,

What wrong in asking a company to provide its excess power to the host communities?
Because it is GEJ and he is from SS, power sector should be revitalised by magic wand,

In ur own beastly way of thinking chevron should hold on to the excess power and let the communities suffer,

Sweetlemon:
@Da lover, pray tell, but apart from collecting amnesty, what else have MEND achieved so far and how has that area become more developed?
how do you explain the innocent people they have killed and maimed in the quest for ''freedom''?
what do you call a threat to bomb/attack a company just because they are ''meddling'' in your affairs?
@logic mind, so what you are saying is that you will rather be killed by ethic violence in your state than be killed by boko haram? what difference would it make if at the end of the day, you will still be killed?
Pride is a destroyer, and it will swallow us if we do not learn how to swallow it now.

guy its a gradual thing, you may not be able to guage it, but the level of conciousness in the 9ja delta about the parasitic exploitation has increased, the current political dispensation is directly or indirectly related to the activities of mend, from this post, you can even tell that the hard core northerners are getting the message, no more leeching on us, sit down and become productive, is that too mush to ask for?

I once posted somewhere on NL that the greatest asset 9ja has is its population but sadly people feel its crude oil, see how the development of china dragged the whole of asia into the modern age, imagin how the hausas and yorubas can drag the entire black race forward, this can never happen while free oil wealth distribution continues,

Nagoma and other shameless fanatics cannot see the big picture, and what a good riddance to bad rubish it will be, the day they decide to part with us, you come here to tell me about subsistence farming and what it is doing for nigeria, obviously we r not talking on the same level and this kind of limited imagination is exactly what affects hausas today.

Sweetlemon:
@Nagoma, no its not too late! Just swallow your pride and watch things change for the better.
May God open the eyes and hearts of Nigerians to see that breaking Nigeria up (while we still have the same group of politicians ruling us, while we stilll have this ''my tribe/village is better than yours'' mentality) will be the biggest mistake in history!
@Da lover, you honestly believe no terrorist groups will emerge from the south after we spilt ehn? ok. what do you call the recent threats by mend to attack MTN and other SA coys (with mostly Nigerian staff in them) in the Niger delta? peace keeping

terrorist group in south?? Do u regard mend as terrorist? Well i regard them asfreedom fighters, the bigger issue here is about economics, we r demanding going back to a situation where each state go back to the pre 1966 conditions where 50% tax was paid by each state or region to maintain running the federal government and the northerners say we r insulting them by making this demand,
To them the options are we remin as is, ie continue getting handouts from fg while orcastrating killings of southerners every once in a while or they leave the federation,
i support them getting out, because i cant stand my people being killed on the slightest excuse while as the same time funding extreme laziness,
But its not about talk on NL, lets see action,

nagoma:
If you were really successful I wouldn't have to do anything as you would be in Delta republic or kingdom swimming in oil with no parasites at all. And Uduaghan is not much better than ibori - the criminal who forced 8 yr tyranny and looting on a supposedly street wise population. Some aspects of you ideas may still come in handy.
Nothing personal on my side ,I count myself comfortable and upwardly mobile inspite of the tribal cabal . But I think of others who are less fortunate and I also Reciprocate In detesting others and there are millions of us who have that reciprocal feeling. They just need the awareness the less than 1 dollar a day 80 % of them live on, are not petrocents . They are the neglected peasant farming output. The tomatoes the onions and beans and grains. They must know how rich they are and how affluent and self sufficient they can be in a relatively short and silent independent period.
Honorary citizenship cannot be a priority but I personally have the oil for food program in mind. But talk is cheap ( and this applies both ways), the best talkers are not always the best actors.
Oh about the hug- I would rather be hugged by a rattle snake than take such an offer from a condescending wind bag.
Let me just have the NORTH FOR NORTHERNERS AND THE SOUTH FOR SOUTHERNERS. fair ain't it?

holy ghost fire burn all parasitic manifestations and infestations, nagoma u r one in 50 million, we need to see more zeal, more partion to leave, on our side we have shouted, fought, written, done all that is possible but the parasitic nature of the parasite is deeply engrained, please help initiate any sort of momentum on ur people, target is on or before 2015, south for southerners, north for terrorist, ARABA

i hope orient have plans to utilize the associated gas produced from the oil wells, they should be registered as an ipp, anambra govt should not allow more gas flaring and wasting away of millions of dollars,, plus the issue of enviromental polution caused by the flaring

nagoma:
@Da Lover

With the enemity and hatred you so eloquently and accurately outlined "NORTH FOR NORTHERNERS AND SOUTH FOR SOUTHERNERS" becomes , not only a logical and just solution, but actually an urgent imperative requiring immediate implementation. Who joins the movement on the northern side is not your problem , we would just want you to promote the idea among your southern brethren. I do not want to into discussions about oil because it will just drag us backwards,

yes oooo ARABA, let it be vocal in the north, but please try and get ur people to advocate for it without spilling more southern blood on the streets of northern cities, i am yet to be convinced that ARABA witll take off the way northerns on NL are preaching,

NorthSharp:
I think you are absolutely right with regard to the main point of your argument; the irresistible lucre of the oil money, which was so cleverly and tantalisingly used by the manipulative British to dissuade Murtala and other aggrieved Northern military elite from their separatist plan, is undoubtedly the MAIN factor that has been keeping Nigeria 'one' ever since.

But in-sha-Allah things are about to change; the generality of ORDINARY Nigerians, from all the regions, are now convinced, more than ever before, that it would be better FOR ALL OF US if we go our separate ways.

The only obstacle, and potentially a daunting one, is the predictable reaction of the deeply corrupt, avariciously greedy and morally bankrupt political, military and business elite from ALL the non-oil producing regions.

They are the ones who have been personally and EXCLUSIVELY benefiting from the oil money at the expense of the ordinary people from their respective regions, and they are the ones who would go to any length, INCLUDING THE USE OF EXTREME VIOLENCE AGAINST THEIR OWN KINSMEN, in order to ensure uninterrupted flow of the oil money INTO THEIR POCKETS.

However, I do not agree with your view that there is "extreme hatred for each other" among the various ethnic groups in Nigeria; even the recurring ethnic, religious and political violent clashes we have been witnessing, mainly in the North, can be traced, in one way or another, to some action or inaction of one irresponsible member of the exploitative ruling elite or another.

And it is quite saddening that in almost all the cases, the victims of such violence are the ORDINARY, INNOCENT PEOPLE who struggle to eke out a living in an environment that is being made more difficult and challenging by the ruling elite, who have selfishly clogged the national engine and caused a serious, apparently irreversible, systemic malfunction.

bi annual killings of southerners in various cities in the north is not simply the work of currupt elite, i think that is an over simplification of the situation, maybe i am using my enviromental conditions to judge northerners, but were i come from, before you take the life of an unarmed , defenceless person, there has to be some deep level of anger in you, to make it an annual or bi annual ritual where mass killings are carried out at the slightest provocation is something definately beyond hatrade, remember mohammed cartoons in sweden or so?

That being said, if the northerners really want to seperate, it should actually manifest itself in their leaders, because are representative of what the people want, do not say you want one thing with your mouth while your hands are doing something else, we experienced this at the national confab organised under obj, the SW that was the champion of fiscal federalism before then suddenly changed its position, northerners should be real, say what you mean and act it, lets know how to tackle the problem squarely

nagoma:
@sweetlemon

Sweetlemon you are late. We have tried all that before.The southerners want their own country and by God they will have it.

“NORTH FOR NORTHERNERS AND SOUTH FOR SOUTHERNERS”

in july, 1966 during the northern organised coup, hassan katsina, muritala mohammed and company were about to board the planes from lagos to kaduna, the theme of the northern uprising was ARABA, succession for the north, this almost went through until the stupid british high commisioner appealed to their greed and sold the concept of oil domination to them, the northern coup plotter had a 180 degree change in direction from seriously advocating for ARABA to serious believers in one nigeria, lol
Hence, if the oil had not existed muritala mohamed, hassan katsina and others would have split nigeria long ago,
Before the british commisioner stepped in, several southerners in the army and civilians living in the north had been killed for the reason of ARABA, only to completely throw awar the comcept of ARABA on the realization that the oil was yours to do what ever you wanted,
Nigeria only exist today because of oil, i challange anyone to prove otherwise, extreme hatrade for each other, but tolerate each other because of oil,

Ok, you have used your military to keep nigeria one so that you can continue to exploit oil, and someone says, get up, sit up and contribute economically to the common wealth and you say you are being insulted?

Nagoma, please anything you can do to bring back the concept of ARABA in the core north will be highly appreciated, though i suspect this time, plateau, benue and kwara might not want to join in this concept, lol

@nagoma,

you eigther refuse to or delibrately avoid understanding certain things,
Resources for instance, as arable land for farming is a resource, so is oil under someones land, but if we r to believe the population figures, then the population of the north should be its greatest asset,

You mentioned that there are 20 or so countries distrbute underground natural resources amongst everybody and surface natural resources belong to the land owners, apart from the natural unfairness of this, mention the countries one by one, and i will tell you how this strategy of doing this has made the resource more of a cause to the country, Country that have decided to allow people who own the land exploit their resource to the best and pay tax are more progressive, this is not to say govt cannot ensure rules and regulations to ensure exploitation of the resources is done with best practices,

Appearantly you have lost all hope of your ability to produce wealth, your thinking is that unless it comes from oil, then there is no hope, this remains our fatal flaw, you are farming, right, can the northern states be creative enuf to generate enuf wealth to run themselves and pay tax to run the fg from agric, commercial farming, agro alied industries, agric tool manufacturing etc, if you dont have any creative ideas, google them or ask someone who does,
The reason everyone came together to fight for independence together is that with our population, the sky is the limit, competition, free enterprise, maximising opportunities to utilise what you have to generate wealth, we did not get independence so that the majority ethnic groups will lazily wait for handouts monthly, thats uther rubish, after fourthy years of doing this, nothing has changed, we r poorer,

the east have been deprived of govt opportunities over the years, now the are much more creative, imagin what would have happened if their govt were not lazied by wait and collect arrangements. They would probably be a manufacturing hub of africa, but all this cannot happen when your government officials are not under pressure to creatively think of wealth creation,
If saying the truth is interpreted to mean asking for division, let it be,

@nagoma, we r on the same page with regards to seperation, but not on the same page with regards to the reasons for seperation, general laziness

jp philips:
[b]considering the fact that it is your destiny to be washing joboy's boxers and p lady's crochette. i understand completely why you are so busy to read the damn post.

Anyways, i didn't want to meddle in ur wank1ng induced conversation with joboy.
please my fellow excited people can anyone help me ask m0r0nic beaf when last the Nigerian govt paid cash for their exploration contracts with multi nationals?

while you answer, any bid to drill any well in Nigeria by IOC's are funded 60% by the Govt so attaching a refinery clause to it is a mere fantasy in beaf's wank1ng session because our almighty Govt has not paid cash for more than a decade to develop oil wells.

And we seriously think that they will start paying now that a refinery clause is attached to it? i laugh in German

Beaf continue deceiving your mates

when the IOC's were mandated to stop flaring come 2000 later 05 then the last extension was 2010, what exactly happened, SPDC embarked on AGG projects while EXXON clowns initiated "GOOD DAY PROGRAMMES"

we have more flare pollution today than the past years amidst the so called Govt's "tight" regulations.
what has happened since then?

if you ask IOC's to quit flaring they will ask your psycho unlooking Govt to fund it 60% and that is the end
as it stands your Govt cannot even afford to pay cash on explo wells let alone the ones that have refineries attached to it.

what will the IOC's say this time? your guess is as good as mine.[/b]

the solution to ur problem can be solved by two things, remove subsidy, let IOCs or local refineries buy crude at market rates and sell to nigerians for profit,
1 subsidy is killing us softly, govt should not participate in distribution and retailing of products
2 nigeria should grqadually move in the direction of refining all its product, lets sell only refined products


second, is why should govt own 60% of the IOC operations in nigeria, i actually cant point to any tangabole benefit this has brought after 30yrs. Govt asks itself to stop flaring gas, now tell me thats not funny,

nagoma:
The reason why people think of common wealth and formulas for equity , taking derivation,environment and other issues into consideration is because we are all citizens of the same country. If the ijaw nation at independence refused to accept independence together with other parts of Nigeria or decided to negotiate with or to fight with the British for it's own independence. It would have been a different ball game. No body would expect a share of resource from another country. But the ijaws, the Igbos and all worked together with all of us to claim independence from Britain as a single country. Now they are crying about "their " resources. I will be much happier if we have nothing to do with these people and everybody goes his way. Poverty like wealth is a transitional state and neither permanent nor unattainable. But we must separate.

i agree we should go our own way, afterall nobody likes the way southerners in general and igbos in particular are slaughtered on a biannual basis, and someone like alharem says that it is because they did not behave properly,
Please tell me why each state, lga, council cannot pay tax upwards? Look how does paying 50% tax to the fg, translate to keeping the resources for yourself? Keep twisting issues to sound like the victim, but u end up becomeing a laughing stock

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=867140.msg10171634#msg10171634 date=1328950954]Nigeria takes a 55% share in the joint ventures, but never puts up any money. Instead it is the foreign oil companies which put up all the cash (which they recoup out of profits.)
So you don't want to put in any money to do the oil exploration, nor do you want to put in money to refine?

OK, so pass the law forcing the joint venture 55% owned by the FG to build refineries.

Well, how will you pass the law in a way so that the minority shareholder has to spend all his money on refineries and you, the majority guy does not?

This is all nonsense[/quote]@ekt_bear, please what do u want? What should happen?

in a country where it is very easy to brandish the ecthnic card, soyinka has tried to always push for justise, even when his ethnic group seem to be the beneficiaries of an unjust system, he desrves very good kudos for this, back to the constitution, many elements are ok, but i still have major issues with handouts from the FG to states and governments deciding to run business, also peoples reps should be paid by the specific people they represent, each state to provide a minister?how about that? Upper and lower houses?? Is it really necessary? Can we afford it? Is the presidential system right for us? Seperate executives, legislatures and judiciary, is it really necessary or afordable? Shoul govt make money outside taxes? State and lg creation or disolution, whats the criteria, economic viability and ability to pay a minimum amount of taxes or pressure from ethnic groups jostling for a share of oil revenue? I have always stated that the corruption being experienced right now, it due to the perception of free oil money, centrally located belonging to everybody, hence nobody, remove the main actor and replace them, and we will end up with the same issues in a few years time, lets change the way we are structured, make people more accountable to the tax payer in a clear line of sight, life would be so much better

nagoma:
@Sam_Ikena

You and me have agreed on the need to separate and I am happy with that agreement and actually hope others will on both sides will agree with us. Where we differ is that you see things more towards civil war and lack of acceptance of easterners after the war. I see that point as an exaggeration and a relative recent hype and means to an end. Wars have been faught in Europe , in America and all over the world, we know the conditions placed on less successful sides after wars - Germany, Japan, Turkey, Russia at some stage and we know how magnanimous and brotherly the post war leaders especially Gowon and Shagari have been. Of course we all Nigerians are burdened with attitudinal problems which we pretend does not exist or doesn't come from " my ethnic group" but frm others. I have lost relatives and known people to Boko Haram , my extended family live in fear and prayer every single day and hope the the leadership will curve the BH disaster. The BH in their totally misguided terror attacks announce that they focus the security services and non Muslims. In real sense everybody is a target. Instead of all of us seeing it as a national security problem for which the government needs help from all ; ome insist they are related to the disaster as victims only and as the only victims. All these have been exhaustively discussed , I can't do any better but the central point is oil and resource restriction by sharing only among fewer people ( perhaps certain radius from the oil wells) I personally accept this. It is not worth the trouble. Let's have he work of separation started. SNC is a waste of time. Ikenne plead remember also that the hundreds of thousands of soldiers from the federal side of the war came from families - mothers, fathers ,brothers and sisters who were told that their scarifies was for the unity of Nigeria. I hope we can speed up the separation process.

i interprete this to mean that the only way for unity in this country is if oil located under peoples land is shared amongst all, this is a very bad level of reasoning, this is also the reason why everyone has abandoned their resources and now sit down waiting for monthly alocation from federal government. What a lazy way to look at life, your refusal to accept our large population as our greatest resource will always remain our albertros

Kobojunkie:
I would not compare Gani with Soyinka. Soyinka has mostly seemed to me a man who speaks when he is on the hurt side of issues. I mean the man's cries seem to change from year to year. And I don't think I will ever forget that this same was the man who was spokesman, for a time, for MEND.

Gani was a lawyer who went to the court on behalf of the people, and Nigeria as a whole. Soyinka, I may be wrong, seems more concerned about issues that pertain mostly to sects and groups, not Nigeria the country as a whole, in much of his ideas.

There is nothing absolutely nothing wrong with the way the constitution came to be. If we were to follow you claim that the Nigerian constitution was technically not drafted by the people's government, then what do we say of the American constitution, which was drafted by a couple of men, majority of them never really served in any government then and afterwards?
Please we need to stop playing around with the moronic and focus on that which should matter.

Honestly, if this man is all out of good ideas, he needs to stop!

yes there is nothing wrong with the way the constitution came to be and that really should dnot be the issue, the fact that the constitution is not built around tru federalism is a main problem here.

guys any suggestions on the format for the organisation of the SNC? Very easy to ask for, but how is it going to run, this is very important

Olalekan 0:
What nigerians continually fail to understand is that every aspiring political office holder in nigeria is doing so solely because of what he tends to financially benefit. They are taking advantage of the masses's gullibility of not embracing their rights to revolt and recall underperforming politicians.

Mallam Ribadu has just actualized his dreams so why are you all moaning?

Until our legislators begin to earn $6000 per month(emoluments and allowances inclusive),live in 3-bedroom flats in a middle-class neighbourhood and not in an imposing massion in affluent suburbs, drive a skoda,rover,renault or chevy impala only then can we have trustworthy individuals whom are genuinely willing to serve.,

do legislaors need o be paid by the federal govt or the communiies they represent? solve the concept of free oil money and you solve your questions?

i once had a very interesting conversation with a much older yoruba man at the nigerian embassy in london, sitting next to each other we started a conversation to eat up the time,
he asked me where i was from, and i told him, isoko in delta state, i knew he was yoruba from his accent, he then asked me if i spoke any nigerian languages, and i replied english and pidgin? He was amased that i even considered english a nigerian language, he insisted that it was a foreign language given to us by the british during the colonial era, i agreed but i tried to let him understand that the english language is here to stay with us forever, the british cannot now take it away, it is here parmenently, now having said that, we have to understand that languages evolve over time and distance, when subjected to different cultures, politics, markets etc, thus if two sets of people speaking the same language are seperate for any reason, after a considerable time, both sets of people with have different flavours of the same language, warri pidgin is different from ph pidgin etc,
If this is the case, why do we insist on measuring ourselves against queens english? Our exams and other things that have to do with the english curriculum still reference queens english, i thin this is brought about by an inherent inferiority complex for anything white which a lot of us will refuse to admit,
There is definately nigerian english and there is no law that say it must be spoken the way british people do it, those responsible for english education in nigeria should take note and stop indirectly propagating inferiority complex on nigerians

saintneo:
[size=18pt][font=bookman old style Unicode][color=#990022]Delta State was part of the Defunct Western Region; why are they not represented or is this a revelation?[/color][/font][/size]

after fighting so hard to leave that group, it would be extremely foolish for anyone to drag us back there,

philip0906:
my friend stop making noise. . .U r replying a post in which d op gave u a can u also put up a link of this story u typed here 2 refute his?or r u bankole's right hand man giving us eye witness account?or u r just blinded by tribalism?

here the link www.nairaland.com politics section, that were you find shallow minded people like urself.

You insist on pursueing individuals all over the place for corruption, when, time and time again we find out that the people they are replaced with dod the exact same thing we complained about previously, y must u keep knocking ur head against a rock, r u a goat?
Lets implement a system that works, ur dumbass complaints wont get us anywhere. Mugu like you

Ufeolorun:
What exactly are you going on about gan sef!you keep straddling threads chatting about oil this oil that,stop the oil-hugging attitude njare! hen.
If you had to put your back into cultivating the oil you probably be suicide bombing the so called parasites by now .
It's a big joke if you think crude oil value chain will also be subject of resource control.

sorry to have disturbed you with the constant talk of oil, i wonder where the additional money the SW govt are asking for is going to come from?
With regards to cultivating the oil, sorry i work in the oil industry, that makes me a first class observer to the injustise being metted out to 9ja deltan, the denial of opportunities etc,
Ur right oil should not be the main topic of resource control, but ur beggerly and domineering atitude always makes it that way, there are various natural resources all over the country, and the greatest, believe it or not, is human resource. If the enabling systems are not properly structured to tap this resource, weather you have 1 professor per state or 1000 profs per village, there will be no difference in your standard of living,

All the tricks and strategies to deny the 9ja delta people of their natural gift are fast runnikng out, and i guess we are withnessing the natural reaction from the SW and North to the increasing display of resistance by the average 9ja deltan, the usual responses are violence from the north and media blitz from the SW, lets see how far this gets them.

emmatok:
What freedom are they fighting for and what have they achieved.

They are all quiet today because GEJ a ND man is in power.

They have forgotten RECOURSE CONTROL AND OTHER AGITATIONS.

Let me tell you these-same people will rush back to the creek when we get a president from other parts of the country.

It is a cycle that goes.

you must know that the fight for resource control did not statr a few years ago, go and read about issac saka boro and sarowiwa, in case you dont know, the militancy was one of the states in the evolution of the fight, yaradua negotiated the armnestise and asked for time for the FG to address the imbalances, the strugle is one of self determination for economic survival, even if they are bought over, the strugle will never die, other will replace them until justice is done.

Gbawe:
This is a good point. Unreasonable and unfair for all Nigerian States to remain stagnant because of a corrupt, inept and gradualist centre. A reforming President will realise that weakening the centre, fiscally and duty-wise, will have many far reaching positive and developmental advantages.

The desperate clamour to gain power at the centre will reduce drastically if more money and responsibilities are handed to States. When States recieive more money and are given more responsibilities (eg allowed to source their own power solution completely, develop their natural resources endowment and authorised to provide their own police force et al ) then it will be very obvious which States lag behind even when truly empowered. Healthy competition will set in to replace what we have currently whereby indolent and corrupt Governors are able to hide behind the FG as explanation for the failure to develop their State.

lets look at the implications of what you are asking for.
The FG makes its main cash from royalties of crude sales, you want states to handle more responsibilities abi? To what extent? Is it just enuf for the SW states to manage power and ports but not enuf for the 9ja delta states to handle their oil fields? I would like assume you r not that selfish, i would like to assume that you not one of the evil ba5tards that insist on perpetuating this form of corruption,
Lets assume that both the SW and the 9ja delta handle the ports, power and oil fields etc,
then oil and oil products sold by 9ja delta states should be at market rates, gas to power the power solutions should be at market rates and taxes will be paid to FG, but then you also asked for increased money, is that money going to come from the tax paid by the 9ja delta states to the FG? Will the 9ja states be paying tax so that it can be shared to other states?
Y not start using ur brains instead, i think thats the way forward.

eGuerrilla:
You are clearly one sandwich short of a picnic, as only this can explain the emboldened section of your post.
Pray tell, how many of the f.ckers in the HOR or Senate are of good pedigree?

You ever heard of Martin McGuiness, the ex-IRA gun runner/shooter, who is the current deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland?
You've never been told one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter, or seen ex-militants get absorbed into National Armies in other climes?

Now, listen, you uncouth m#oron, while I am the last person you would consider an apologist of the current government, there is little in the responses provided by most commentators on this matter that can be mistaken for objective reasoning.

Sorry to say, it a lot more than that, they know quite alright what that are doing, those from SW and North, they are aware of the situation but choose to turn a blind eye to the truth, carefully notice how they choose to attack the symptoms as the problem, instead of castigating a system that encourages laziness and corruption, a system that tells you that oil is free and its your right as a nigerian to pay a token for it, a system that does not demand that you justify why you should be part of a larger system,

You will never hear them insist that states and lgas should roll up their sleeves, put on their thinking cap and eke out concrete survival strategies, it all about the free oil, oil belonging to someone else,

i watched the house of reps talk to various participants in the oil industry concerning the subsidy issues and i observed like before that very few ijaw or 9ja delta persons where involved in the chain,

Instead, 1diots here are claiming that someone who was given amnesty by the govt should not be associated with govt, thats their main problem??
The fact that someone said he is a qualified mech engr did not discourage them,

If you are really intrested in fighting corruption, lets tackle resource control issues and govt running businesses, i know it seems like fighting the SW and north but, those are the roots of the issue

Afolabs101:
WHY DOES GOVERNMENT HAVE TO SEND THEM ABROAD FOR TRAINING??

How many Nigerians (both white collar and blue collar) have been trained abroad?? Think about the cost of all the flight tickets, hotel accommodation etc of not only the thousands of militants but the inspection team too (1st class travel and 5-star hotels).

What a way to reward criminals! The rest of us (foolish) law-abiding citizens continue to watch as criminals (politicians and militants) prosper!

SMH

to you and the rest of the critics here they may be criminals, but to us from 9ja delta, they are our freedom fighters, you guys are all quickly identifing corruption as sending boyloaf to inspect training training facilities, but we from 9ja delta identify corruption as a system that strips a man of his natural gifted resources,

bioye:
Yep. the report you quoted references Nigeria's local newspapers and refers to the fraud as 'alleged'. The so-called N10bn loan has been fully paid back by the House of Reps. The money was meant for 'House Running Costs' and was already captured in the 2010 budget before it was borrowed. No crime was ever committed. What they did was to increase their budget between 2009 and 2010 which is what every government agency does anyways. EFCC and Bankole's enemies were looking for ways to punish him without proper investigation and they have failed so far. The 2nd case is still in court and we shall soon see its outcome. Good luck.

unfortunately u may just be preaching to thin air as far as the crowd here is concerned, i have sadly noticed that the join the bandwagon mentality reigns supreme with nigerians, maybe i wouldnt have had issues with it, it just that i naturally expect more from enlightened people, but i probably could be expecting too much,
Several times you see people just jump into a matter and start to critisize without attempting to adequately inform themselves,
but the one that saddens me the most is that we burn all our energies fighting the symptoms instead of the root cause,
The question is how do we allow senators pay themselves? How can we get more value for money? Who should pay them? Fg or areas they represent? Who r they accountable to? And many others, unfortunately, these are not sensational topics and are not likely to invoke partionate insults and jibes , so we continue chasing shadows like a dog going after it own tail, in endless circles,

@Jason123,
i actually find it offensive that you consider fuel subsidy at a right of every nigerian, where did this right emanate from?
Did the people you own the land under which sits agree that their resources should be dispensed in this manner?
For me, the umber one corruption is the wrongful sezieture and distribution of someone resources without even allowing their participation the process.
This is what we in the 9ja delta have been fighting for a long time, if the SW suddenly get up and say 65 naira is their main problem, does it automatically make it our main problem?
We have fought for resource control on many fronts, and never once were the SW their to be in the forefront of our fight, now you expected us to help chaimpion the 65 naira fight?
Thats not right in any ramification

texazzpete:
I see nothing wrong in what Sanusi said. Nigerians LOVE to quote people out of context. This herd mentality of condemnation is foolish and retrogressive.

Like it or not, the man is right in many ways. Extreme poverty is the main driver behind the ready source of suicide bombers and killers in the North.


'sponsors' are 'sponsoring' suicide bombers?! Are you on crack?

People who still believe the 'Northern politicians who want to frustrate GEJ' line need to get their heads examined. While people chase after red herrings, Boko Haram members are busy getting training, logistics and materiel from Somalia and Al Qaeda in the Maghreb.

heres what i see wrong, he should be insisting that states find intelligent ways of utilising their abundant human resources to generate wealth, not artibuting increased derivation as an indirect cause of the present mayhem.

alj harem:
Ekt_bear and manny4life, don't let beaf and co be lying to you people. The north contributes at least 45 % of IGR

the argicultural sector of our nation gives 45 % of our IGR of which No oil producing states apart from Edo, Abia, Ondo and cross river are part of

In that argriculture, about 70 % of it is produed in the Northern region while 25 % in the SW and 5% in the east

Our major agricultural export from time memorial and it has not changed are

Cotton
Cocoa
Palm oil
cowpea aka beans

cotton and cowpeas are grown in the northern part of Nigeria is large quantity

When you talk of the north, it extents to kwara of which it now exports Milk, meat and so on thanks to saraki

export is certainly different from food crops of which 60-80% of Nigeria daily food consumsion is gotten from the north

It does not take rocket science to go to major food markets in the south and north to see food products produced from the north.

Don't get me wrong, the north has to further improve on this sector as that is were we have comparative advantage.

Now cocoa, palm oil and rubber grown in the south has certainly taken over cowpeas etc in the north. NOT BECAUSE NORTHERNER ARE LAZY BUT BECAUSE THE DEMAND OF SUCH PRODUCTS IS VERY LOW IN THE WORLD TRADE MARKET.

The uses of cocoa far out weighs the uses of cowpeas

same goes in comparing other food products.

The cotton field in kaduna and co has certainly gone down due to years of mismanagement by some people

Also I would liek to tell you 2 that agriculture and crude oil are not the only exports of Nigeria

we have lead (bauchi), limestone(kogi) etc which are in high demands outside the country if only the FG can develop the sector

The meat industry since it is a perishable good would only be good for Nigerians rather than exporting it.

Tourism aka abuja, sokoto and kano is also there for use to see. and it generate revenue for the nation.

Other home grown food crops like tomatoes etc cannot be exported because we have not large factory to process it for exportation. it is a perishable good as well

It is better to be used in Nigeria

Go to major markets in Nigeria and see if you would not find the common food man eat are food in the north

1. Bread (wheat)
2. Onion
3. Pepper
4. Tomatoes
5. Meat

all of which are basic "Nigerian" needs

don't fall into the trap of beaf calling others parasites. He is grossly mistaking

based on your analysis above, it is safe to say that the north does not need the monthly alocations of oil monies?

[quote author=Rhino.5dm link=topic=857627.msg10073237#msg10073237 date=1327832349]I like the massage and hate the massanger. This piece is what Nigerians need for proper development. I hate lazy people waiting for monthly handouts from resources they know nothing about. Lets have resource control viz a viz true federalism or a six state solution.

Heck! No more to parasitism .[/quote]this is exactly why i refused to support the occupy nigeria thing, the root of the large scale corruption bedeviling this country can be found in two key areas
1 lack of resource control and
2 Govt runing businesses

take out this two and we have a more managable situation, why burn energy fighting symptoms when u can do the same fighting the root causes