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Pastor Kun:simple and stright to the point, labour and opposition have the moral high ground now, this is what i expect them to press for, instead people are pushing to get their marketer friends continue the cash milking, |
$ugardaddy:And how are you doing alj harem? Since sence no dey your head |
some people forget that forums like this may serve as debating avenues where positions and shared and justified with logical reasoning, someone seekimg to better understand this issue of oil subsidy and deregulation enters this the hot topic of the moment would quickly loose interest, a number of post here have adopted the follow the crowd mentality approach, there is corruption, govt is eating money so we must get fuel cheaply, The leading clowns amongst them are quite aware that point for point they cannot back ther positions with solid arguements, hence the reason for the comical matter they have adopted to handle the issue |
alj harem:while quoting me, you are wondering y someone else is quoting me, lolz this is a new level of dullness, |
chasee:Omo tier1, boko haramite et el, see one of your folllowers here, see arab/9ja spring happening here on NL, lets bring them down, if you ask this one what happens next after they go?, he will looking blank like partially cooked goat testicles, |
Omo_Tier1:one of the learnings i can boast of getting from this deregulation issue is that intelligent opposition brings out intelligent governance, if by now you are not ashamed of attempting to drive protest with mob crowd mentality based on immidiate needs, then all i can offer you and the unfortunate ones cowed by you a profound appology, there is no redemtion for you. PointB:he doesnt have anything to say, he is just interested in getting rid of GEJ, by hook or crook, commical or serious, though mostly comical based on what i have seen so far |
Omo_Tier1:Like I said, common sence isnt common, your inability to express ur point view speaks volumes, national security ko national security ni, just stay over there in england where they have adequate systems to cater for your inability to reason properly, clearly you are amongst the clowns leading the occupy nigeria show of shame, |
Omo_Tier1:i am not on the side of the masses, i do not believe in populist policies, i am on the side of common sence, though NL comments have proven it not that common. |
Omo_Tier1:what obj and previous govts did before was simply price increase, what GEJ has done is partial deregulation, with deregulation govt is no longer involved in running the business of refining, products supply and distribution, they revert back to their primary responsibility of policy and regulation, deregulation will be complete when govt hands of the 4 refineries to private entties. The increase in price is an unfortunate aspect of deegulation, which compition is expected to bring down later, even if not to 65naira. Now asking for price tol be reduced back to 65naira, you are saying govt should go back to managing the sector, A position i vehemently oppose. |
Omo_Tier1:when u keep talkin like this, how wont you feel dull, someone is advocating a structured sensible approach to the matter on ground, lets assume the protest grow to the level of toppling the govt, who will you replace them with? Like you i agree that corrupt persons should be procecuted, but unlike like u, i believe that in addition, the conditions that enable corruption to thrive should be removed, I guess you probably dont know the difference between deregulation and price increase, |
babestella:i salote, is it the job of the govt to build refineries? |
omosexy1:instead of adopting this sensible position, labour is attempting to mobilise people to fight for cheap fuel, it baffles me considerably, i tot labour is suppose to fight for the future of nigerians, Labour should start by listing out the total renumerations for each political office holder and demand a law or constitiutional amendment to limit this, they should insist on jointly writing the bills, there are so many intelligent things they could be doing, Instead we have this comedy half hour where pictures have to be taken really upclose to create an illusion of large crowds, its no longer funny, its actually becomming embarassing, apearantly the chief commedians have left the stage to smaller but more ignorant upstarts. |
9ijaMan:translation of my language to english is now the criteria that guages who cares for the nation? Well i wouldnt really say your line of reasoning is out of place, judging from majority of the post, i have seen on nairaland this period, funny thing is that when it comes to facts, figures and analysis you run for cover, critical questions that should be answered are left untouched and you join pretend nationalist like the resident boko haramist on this site to chase shadows, If rioting for cheaper fuel tickles your fancy, please by all means go ahead, Please ensure u, the boko haramist and others on naira land join other youths on the streets, My analysis on the matter is very simple, If you acuse imf and world bank of trying to colonise nigeria with their free market policies, should someone call you a racist? I gues you would say no, now if i accuse the key marketers, 80% of whom are from the SW of commiting economic crimes (to the tune on almost one third the national budget), do you think I should be called a tribalist. How does it even make sence that people from the oil producing region of the country are not the at least controlling at least 50% of the downstream sector That another matter sha, 3 individuals or families have been identified as major marketers adenuga, tinubu and otedola? GEJ,s govt have said it connot procecute them for one reason or the other, they are not hidden, y on earth do you want the average niger delta man, who wasnt paying 65naira in the first palce to hit the streets so the marketters from SW can continue where they stopped? I have been fighting againt the economic injustices being carried out directly or indirectly against the ND people since i started commenting on NL. On the fuel subsidy issue, my clear stand is on govt deregulation, price increases happen to be a fall out of deregulation, Should govt be the one running the downstream sector? The clear answer is no, and why? Because it is not their primary responsibility, they are innefficient at doing it, even with minimal corruption, it is now worse when you mix in corruption. Have you or your war mongers asked yourself why GEJ is makeing this unpopular move? Hope you know he doesnt need to remove subsidy to enrich himself to high heavens? To achieve that he just needs to continue borrowing money in nigerias name, nigerians will of course be happy with cheap fuel, lagos marketters will be happy but ultimately u and i will have to pay, Far back in primary school, we were thought that two wrongs dont make a right, govt has not eliminated corruption, so govt should hold on to the downstream sector and prevent people from setting up refineries, diversifying the economy, creating jobs etc etc, For sure there will be hard times, but we need to quickly get to a place where we can start building up the middle class through creation of jobs, asking for freebies is not and should not be the priority, in fact i don tire for una, seems the sensible ones are not yet born Labour should stop asking for cheap fuel, this amounts to playing to the galery, a strategy by the economic criminals and rent seekers to make the populace feel short term benefits are more rewarding than the ultimate goal of job and wealth creation. labour should instead insist that the market be transperant, govt shold complete the deregulation process by selling off refineries immidiately, and desist from participating further in such business, Check for duplication of functions in PPRA and DPR, if they exist, scap PPRA (as part of cost saving). Ask serious questions on weather we need 2 houses of legislature? Insist on passing the 2012 budget with a reduced recurrent expenditure, ask serious questgions on security votes for governore, ask about funds for constitional projects for senators and HOR members, ask if we need 50 ministers and ministers of state, insist on sitting on a monitoring panel to monitor progress of key infrastructure projects, but if free fuel is all they can see, i just have to say sorry guys, Oshomole at the lagos debate told his for labour comares how they should have probably for for subsidy on disel instead of fuel, because thats is what drives industry now, and creates jobs but they were short sighted, fighting a populist fight and gues were we are today |
Truth is a bitter pill to swallow, someone want to tell me where i am from again, abegi, good riddance to bad rubish, Apperantly a lot of people need their skulls to be OCCUPIED by some redasoning ability before venturing into something based on today and tomorrow meals, People come here to talk when they are not made the slightest effort to grasp what the real issues are, Several times, i have told people on this forum, understand a situation before commenting in public, but because of the nature of online forums, they feel they are at liberty to poor dumbness onto the screen. If tomorrow FG arrest tinubu, adenuga and otedola for trying to run the country a ground, the same set of people will say see how GEJ hates the south west, take your protest to their houses, ask them how tghey spent the funds from round tripping, we from the niger deltgare not ever allowed to participate in the oil business, except those of us willing to be 'lackys, occupy otedolas boat parked near the american embassy then we can know how serious you are, until then this remains a joke |
alj harem:hey, my point is not on fasholas political future but on the fact that there simply is no free meal any where, somebody somewhere pays the price, what is the price we pay for government running the down stream sector, Big govt = big corruption, small govt = small corruption how do u achieve small govt, govt gets of of peoples way, allow free enterprise and market forces to prevail, govt concentrates on policy and regulation, external affairs, and a few others, Govt is big when they run your down stream, upstream, schools, hospitals, railways, roads, why is this logic so damn difficult to understand, o i remember, the non tribalistic marketers from the SW must be instigating you to feel govt has to supply you ur pms cheaply or die in droves, For the last time what i am saying is that, the penduleun has swung the way of labour and the opposition now, what are they to do with it now, fight for free fuel or hold govt by the balls on reducing cost of governance if it is to fight for cheap fuel which is not my birth right, count us ss out, you are with you marketers over there in lagos, please fight your own fight, if that is being a tribalist, then thank you very much |
alj harem:lets assume i was igbo, whatg would it take to actually get a translation for you? Please follow my advise and reason out issues properly, chose what you should be fight now and what to let go, if you knight and shining armor Fashola increased lasu school fees recognising that subsidised education is not an automatic birth right, but a previledge, i wonder what angle you r reasning from, |
alahaji boko haram, unlike u who change ur identity with each post, i have maintained my identity as an isoko from delta state, no shaking, I refuse to sit aside and watch attempts to drag the rest of nigeria into this joke session being fostered by you and ur cohorts on NL and other social media, GEJ made it clear that the road ahead was going to be tough and bumpy, even in the SW where the main marketers are from, buisness is going on as usual, I have told you the difference between fighting like headless chicken for cheap fuel which is not your birth right, and staging a fight that pressurises govt to reduce cost of governance, Just say good bye to blanket subsidies, this is stage one, the next should be govt run companies, govt run schools, universities etc, U want govt to be involved in all these things and at the same time be small? Come on men, use your head here, not ur a5s. |
i live in warri, i just drove around town, went to three banks on warri sapele road, visited samsung, stoped at a police check point the only one i saw, i drove from refinery road to airport road, passed through avenue road, buisness was going on as usual, my wife is presently at the market she celled me a few minutes ago, please how many warris do we have in nigeria? Apart from one check point on warri sapele road, i didnt see the scores of military and police personnel preventing people from protesting, This commedy has now entered season 2 (fabrication of fanthom protesting crowds), just shows how low people will go to either continue enjoying what is definately not a right but a previlage or for marketers to continue exploiting the masses, Well the major marketers are from the SW, people there should occupy their houses and landed properties, lets see if season 3 will be more interesting, |
people come here and say all sorts of rubish, they want GEJ to achieve what presidents of countries far richer and advanced than nigeria have not even achieved, we are all konw how countries like UK, USA and isreal have been battling fundamentalit terrorism for decades, with no end in sight but GEJ is expected to solve the nigerian one in months, if not weeks. He should arrest buhari and atiku because of what they said, arrest top nortgern .?politicians because they are keeping quiet, use intelligence agencies to infiltrate boko haram and paste the progress reports on newspapers so we can appreciate what security agents afre doing, USA with all its sofistication and wealth cannot adequate police its borders with mexico, all sorts of smuggling take place, human, drugs etc, but under 2 years GEJ should have produced to top notch customs agency, sealed nigeria border with 4 neigbouring countries, and expect them to fully resist the spoils from the over 200% profit associated with smuggling of pms products. from 1999 to 2010 Obj the hard man tortured us with regul.ar fuel scacity, he wasnt bold enuf to take the bold step GEJ has taken, yet we cant appreciate, with 200bn allocated before GEJ cmae to power we experienced regular fuel shortages, to keep thecountry wet with fuel GEJ found that it cost 1.3tln i begin to wonder if where he from has any input into these unintelligent attcks on his person, especially from those in the SW, going tothe extent of insulting his race by calling him a drunking fisherman . Well enuf said about that, I personnaly would scord GEJ 60%, mainly becuase he not moving fast enuf to get govt out of running businesses |
ovo4u:if only u would clear ur head of sentimental issues, you will see that GEJ is one of the best persons to have run this country, ask your self, isnt it easier for him to have continued paying the subsidy and get popular support? Why do u think fashola increased lasu fees, and imposed tolls in his second term? If you have ever been a leader in any way, even afather of a household, you will reqalise that the best desicion are not always the popular ones, I dear you to state where GEJ has not pefromed and where somene else cold have done better, and I will take you on point by point. |
jason123:Jason123, its not we dont realise that there is no waste and inefficdiency in running the present structure of govt as it is, but 2 wrongs dont make a right, waste from govt + waste from govt participation in downstream sector = very big waste, This very big waste needs to be removed one way or the other, , now a hugh chunk has been removed by the partial deregulation of the downstream, (partial because the refineries have not been sold yet), Now the question is, should labour be fighting for free/cheap fuel or for reduced govt expenditure?, its like saying give us free fuel and we will look the other way on your corruption, I agree with you that we all need to tighten our belts, people will always follow the path of least resistance, the govt, executive and legislature will not want to reduce expenditure except we use this opportunity to put them under pressure, we should say, now that you have asked us to sacrifice, we will go on general strike, if you dont pass a budget that reduced the recurrent expenditue by say 60%, The attitude is tantamount to bringing the house down on itself, cutting ur nose to spite ur face. It show a lack maturity from people who should be in opposition. Democrasy works by application of pressure at the right time, demand that GEJ look at the recurrent expenditure of the executive, how can the legisture opperate a figure lees that what obtains now? can we pass laws that limit recurrent expenditure? Do we need/can we afford an upper and lower house of assembly? Can consituitional projects be scraped? Can security votes be scrapped? And a lot more questions, this are question i expect sharp opposition/labour to insist on now that fuel prices have increased, but we find them demanding for free fuel, and i ask when did it become a right to pay less than actual cost for anything? You are asking people to go on the streets to fights for today and tomorrows meal, why not ask them to use the exact same enegy to fight for generations yet unborn? That is why i refered to the occupy nigeria circus show as a commedy, people who dont know left from right being urged to hit the streets so that condition from unlimikted corruption will thrive, the names or marketters have been released and guess what part of the country most of them are from? Guess where the main protesters are from? Do the math |
alj harem:citizens of poorer countries pay more than 140naira per leter and they havent died, i am actually laughing at a decieved people who have been fooled into fighting for today porriage while forgetting about the future. |
bettes:yes you got my atttention, the same way a naked mad man dancing aimlessly in the market place gets the attention of passers by. What give you the right to cheaper pms? Tell me? |
this occupy nigeria thing has got to be one of the greatest jokes of the century, i have been laughing at these clowns since morning, but wait first, what are people suppose to be fighting for? Is it the right to subsidized fuel? Please when did people anywhere in the world assume the right to have things cheaper than actual value? the names of the marketers and importers where released recently, maybe you can go and occupy their houses, afterall they all have houses in lagos, People just want the govt to hand out free stuff and in excange the masses will look the other way when govt is corrupt? Scratch my back, i scratch yours. Fighting for freebies wont get you anywhere, fighting to reduce govt overhead drastically might be a good place to start, but i guess henger and poverty will not allow us reason that far |
@Negro Ntns, I dont understand this your desire to give the north and the west credit for the enterprenurial achievement of the average Igbo trader since after the civil war, thank God you finally admitted there is also a decent market in the east where Igbo buisnessmen also thrive, as long as people are there, the market will always exist, you are saying the Igbo should not the patting themselves on the back for the speedy achievements after a devasting civil war? instead we should dedicate some praise to the population tha constiutes the market?? OK, A BIG THANK YOU TO THE HAUSAS AND YORUBAS FOR EXISTING AND ALLOWING IGBOS TO TURN YOUR EXISTANCE INTO CASH, Negro, you logic is totally wrong, an I suspect it is driven by envy of the Igbos, Its like asking people not to praise Bill Gates and Steve Jobs for taking advantage of the existing market, instead we should be thanking the market for agreeing to used the products from this great guys, I really understand that it can be quite difficult giving honour to whom it is due, when whom it is due is the subject of so much envy, we just have o rise above board on this occasion LAGOS On this issue of contribution to Lagos by the Igbos, we only have to look at what the happening in Abuja, Today outside the Government, The Igbos are the key drivers of the economy of Abuja. |
dayokanu (m) Re: To My Boko Haram And Northern Brothers, Let Us Learn From The Yoruba.Look at what this animal is saying, if this was an isolated case, I would have overlooked ti, but the fact that a good number of yorubas stffer from this superiority complex is what worries me, This also explains why they are the ones leading the assult against GEJ, they find it hard to understand how a supposedly inferior person would be presiding over this country, It also explains why they would prefer to isolate themselves in a superior party of UPN, AD, ACN, AG, the feeling of being advanced and superior forms the basis for their artitudes towards us inferior people, |
1stCitizen:after that gr8 speach, spent 10years of american resources and lives chasing shadows, hisssss |
sheyguy:sheyguy, i hope you are not suggesting that FG should give free crude to any refinery, public or private, the whold essence of deregulation is that the FG gets out of the way, allows private enterprises to run the business, hence they will source for crude in the open market, the FG needs to stand aside and concentrate on monitoring, ensuring compliance to tghe various rules and regulations, The çoncept of blanket subsidy for all must be done away with, |
mubaraqqq:So at the last election, which canidate was the best choice for nigerian? Which party was the best party? We had ACN, APGA, CPC, Labour party etc, did you expect 9jan to vote for democratic party? We have to choose from the options availiable, we will rather choose a currupt party with a national spread than a currupt party that is tribally based, if your argument is that nairaland mugus party was not registered, then that is another matter, |
velo, i am not, to answer ur question, but do not subject youjrself to crowd mentality, with regards to performance of gej, be specific, choose an area you want to critisize, what has been done so far? How was that area? How long do you estimate it will take to fix the area? Is he moving in the right direction? If not, what should he have done better or what can he do better? This is how i expect enlightened people to engage in constructive critisim of anyone leading their country, but when people line up to poor insults because of a statement threated in isolation out of a speach, you just to be ashmed that this is all we have to offer |
kokoA:mr kokoa, does it matter when BH started? What should matter is when it changed from a small religious organisation to a political tool, today OPC is dormant, tomorrow someone or pple may reactivate it as a political tool to fight against the FG, i am sure you probable expect the FG to lock all the yoruba leaders in jail, without hard evidence, just arrest them because they are yoruba, itg baffles me how generality of people reason, no one has produced any hard evidence against northern elite, only that they are not castigating the militants, imagin that in front of a judge, my lord, the case against buhari and the sultan of sokoto today it that they are amonst the northern elite keeping quiet againt boko haram, thereby indirectly supporting bombings in the country, and commiting a crime invented in nairaland called quiet bombers, Some of us need to step back, take a look at the situation and jusgt try to be smart, |
mubaraqqq:it a good thing you admitted not reading new papers, hence you willl definately not be informed of any plans at all, you definately will not be aware of the legal cases against identified BH sponsors, the military encounters with members of the BH sect, the special security units setup to counter this new type of threat, the registration of mobile phones, the digital registration of drivers and vehicle licences, the linking of drivers and vehicle licences, and othe processes being put in place, please resume reading papers and be informed again, |
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That another matter sha,