₦airaland Forum

velo10:
@Dalover, this is no issue to use for your tribalistic notions cos lives like urs and mine are being taken away. boko haram first reared its ugly head in 2009 under Yar Adua, who was a northern president. at lease he contained it to a level unlike Jona who seems clueless about it. This is not about south-outh or not, its about being able to undertake the task of presidency and solve national problems. if this guy cant handle it, then he shud resign cos people's lives are paying the price for both boko haram's madness and Jonathan's incompetency to contain them.

unfortunately life is not black and white as you would like to believe, this type of activity first happened when OBj came to power, northern states suddenly remembered that sharia existed, look BH is just a tool to express the norths anger at loss of power, pls do some deep thinking here,

gulfer:
What NLders are saying is that the statement is un-leaderlike and does not inspire confidence. Will you always explain the president's statement as something else, even when the man has spoken from his heart's abundance in his own honest way?

And what the other NLders are saying is that the sentence should not be threated in isolation, and that this is specifically done out of mischieve, also it is being propagated by known opponents of GEJ, who will never see anything good in GEJs administration, finally we on the other spectrum have observed to a large degree the band wagon mentality resulting from shallow mindedness on these NLers you are refering to.

safarigirl:
A referendum should be called for, let Nigerians decide if we want to remain one or if we wish to become separate entities.
Let's hope our leaders don't rig that too.

i think we should give this thought serious consideration, living together no be by force.

velo10:
Ha ha. This is what you get when you choose a dull incompetent man as president of your country. He is actually saying " there's nothing we can do about these bombings, hope it will stop someday". This guy wud make 9ja's worst presido ever. the only time Nigeria has experienced dis kinda bombings is during the Biafra war.

no, its what you get when a south southerner becomes president in a country where northerners believe ruling the country is their birth right, i wonder why brilliant people like you did not present yourselfs for the elections, hisssssss

aikuda:
I am just as surprised in the seemingly insensitivity of the remark. I am not sure he meant to be that insensitive. It just goes to show that GEJ is not a politician. But lets be frank, we seem to be equating GEJ speech with what we would expect from western countries. But he is not Obama or Sarkozy. I dont think anyone of you here sincerely think GEJ is not as hurtful as all other Nigerians seeing this horrible act.

Having said that, I think boko haram is winning. Their intention is to make GEJ look bad. And that is exactly what we are doing here: taking one line from his entire statement and making it seem as if he appluads the killings is sensless and counter productive. The people we should be mad at are the Boko haram for spoiling a festive mood for Nigerians. GEJ is right (just should not have said it), we are going to have to live within the bombings for a while. Just look at Iraq with all the money and expertise poured into solving the problem and tell me it has worked. The man is just being realistic and trying prepare our minds for the carnage that uis about to follow. But that is not what the people want to hear. They want to hear that Boko haram will be destroyed before the end of the day and that there will never be a single bombing again.

i cant help myself but to quickly acknowledge this as one of the most sensible post i have seen on this thread, just see how they have ignored all the other things the man said, zerod in on one sentence simply to massage their perverted sensibilities,
This is exactly how opposition push themselves into irrelevance because either the refuse to engage in constructive critisim or lack the capacity to do so.
Imagin a forginer going thruogh what supposedly educated nigerians are commenting on the state of the nation and reading all the BS I am seing here,
Idiots everywhere I look,

Thie post I have read here is evidence that shallow minded people are in abundance in this country, probably don't know what they want, jst pickup a keyboard and start typing, it's all about joining the bandwagon mentality,
Well for me, I would still pick GEJ over Buhari or Ribadu anyday, anytime,
I will never terrorised into thinking that someone from the ND is not capable of ruling this country.
Already a senator is being procecuted for involvement in BH activities based on evidence but ppe here want the security agencies to arrest and intimidate suspected persons without hard evidence
arrest buhari and babangida and other top nothern politicians and leaders and this would solve the problem abi?
Please endeavor to do some deep thinking before you type, it is not a must to be heard

KenJADE:
Sooner or later, Maldini will regret dat statement unless he said it to bring out Taiwo's real quality from him.

it better be sooner rather than later because age is not on TTs side lol

GEJ is likely to be the best president we ever had, from the way he is going, ,
What most of us fail to realise is that we are amongst the laziest people in the plant, i mean mentally lazy, no solid economic anywhere has ever been built on blanket distribution of nathonal wealth as free stuff, free or reduced price of fuel is not a right, it should be a previledge to be enjoyed by an unfortunate few,

The federal government spends so much money and time on mondane things that one begins to wonder where the time for quality thinking processes come in, i have said it before and i will say it again. The foundation for our policy making is "poor people will suffer", hence let the government provide it all, free schools, free sports, free transport, free fuel, free health, free that and that?

After many years of attempting to provide all these free stuff, what is the end result, the populace is as lazy as ever, lack of competion in provision of services kills any drive or zeal for enterpreneurship class to thrive, and worse, government struggles in its attempts to provide services in an enviroment and at the same time regulate that same enviroment,
The concept of free stuff from government needs to be killed, else we r eternally domed

when i saw the news that milan had signed taiwo, i actually tot milan had broken the age old tradition of using local youths for ball boys and decided to go international, i was actually dying to see how the experiment in sourcing for ball boys internationnally would go, but to my utmost surprise, i saw TT"s name on the team sheet, honestly the only rational excuse i have for milans actions is black magic, TT must be deep into black magic,

GEJ continues to impress me with his ability to takle tough issues and summount them, not a know noise maker but a silent achiever.
He has just told people at an economic summit or something like that if the option to economic meltdown in a few years time is mass revolt, he would chose the mass revolt, stake everything he has got going for him on it.
The much easier path would have to get popular support, lying to nigerians that all is ok while impending doom aproaches,
Gej please remove fuel subsidies and all other blanket subsidies that nigerian havfe gotten use to since independence, the culture of waiting for government to run our daily lives has to stop, the system has induced so much mental lazyness that is has become ulmost irreversible.

i guess the US entertainment industry is really begining to fill the heat, people just dont buy music anymore, when u can easily download off the web, tghe same thing with movies, although not as much, but the stop piracy act alone will not work, someone has to come up with some ingenious way of encrypting online media such music, movies and books to ensure that pple who paid can enjoy the benefits of owing a digital media file without the posibgility of the files being easily shared,

i bet that anyone that comes up with such technology stands to make millions of dollars

musiwa,,.:
Look, most fulani people are considered as Boro people. the word Boro is not a good word, but just let me just use it to explain what i mean. Boro means bush people. or people who do not accept the western idea. You find fulani in adamawa , bauchi, gombe too, Yola is a fulani town. the lamido is the head of the fulani people in adamawa. Prof Jubril aminu is a fulani man. He is considered a Boro man by the other ethnic group.

So it is impossible to fight boko haram using the military.

it is not possible to remove the portion from nigeria because , you have started another war with the hausa /fulani people, you will be cutting off the hausa/fulani,


The only solution is to remove edo,delta and Yoruba people. who are homogeneous. in one part of the river niger

Muysiwa or what ever your name is, I am from 9ja delta and if 9ja had to split and I had a choice of who 9ja deltans should go with, heres my other of priority

1-Niger Delta Republic
2-Biafra Republic
3-Death by Nuclear wipout
4-Arewa Republic
5-Very slow death(being eating steadily by insects or vultures while watching helplessly)
6-Oduduwa republic

aribisala0:
i agree with your reasoning if the factual underpinnings are correct

the nigerian army did not kill one million people in an ethnic cleansing project.
this is at best propaganda and at worst a lie.
it has been repeated so many times that one million igbos were killed.
where does this figure of one million come from?
was it one and not 4 million  or 15
how did they die? were they shot or gassed??
is it only igbos that were biafrans?

many civilians died but how many were killed by the federal forces?
how many were killed by malnutrition and other indirect causes of war.

there was no Auschwitz in Biafra let us not get carried away.

i think the most important episode of killing happened in the North before the war started when several southerners (mostly igbos) were killed by mobs. this must be discussed openly and truthfully for reconciliation BUT
we must not allow distortions to cloud our judgment

I really don't know where the figures of 1million Igbos came from, but my guess is that it have come from the same place where 1million Tutsies or 6 million jews came from, I wonder how they actually count this stuff, I did a quick check on wikipedia on the nigerian civil war en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War and the figure is 1 to 3 million,

I dont know where it has been said that the nigerian army personally killed all these people as you claimed, but what I am aware of is that they died as a result of the war, a good number died as a result of Awolowos starvation policies.
They died because Nigeria refused to agreed higher degrees of freedom to the regions, after the aburi agreements were reached Gowon and the other nigerians felt greater freedom to the regions would make it easier for the regions to seceed,
40 years after nigerians united to fight against the principles of the Aburi accord we are begining to see things in a different light,
I dont know if we as a people wll be willing to admit that Ojukwu might have been right afterall.

sheyguy:
five young coup plotters
what happened to their superiors form same tribe
you want to tell me they(d ibo superiors) dont know about it
or they were goin to give way for those "5 young coup plotters" to assume power

I get your message which makes sense, but 5 young coup plotter acting on their own like you inferred is a big joke from u please change that if u can.

Sheyguy do you fully understand what you are saying at all? lets assume senior Igbo officials knew about the first january coup, how does that change anything?
That does not still make it the fault of the entire Ibo ethnic race, does not warrant ethnic cleaning, and definately should not prevent Ibos from complaining and demanding justice for several atrocities committed during that sour period of time.

In the 90's in Ruwanda, tusti militia shot down a plane carrying the Hutu president, after that over 1million tutsis were killed by gangs of hutus,
Imagine that 40years after this, young tutsi children complain about such atrocities and then somebody comes out to say "its the fault of the tutsis because the tutsi militia and senior military officials planned the killing of the senior hutu people"
Tell that sounds right to you?

I have tried to show you the big picture which goes beyond blaming few individuals and look at the conditions that would to a full blown crisis of such dimensions again,

sheyguy:
yes,the coup of ibos trigered a counter coup from d north to increase the tension btw east & north to an unmanagable level. In fact that coup made the west to side with the north cos westerners were murdered just like their northern counterpart.
If thd west had sided the east then the war could have been a diff. story.

And 4 your info the main tribal/ethnic tension in the country then was btw the north & the east.

it not about whose quarrel was at the peak at that specific point in time, but its about the level of intolerance and injustice that exist, unfortunately Ironsi could not manage a specific situation at a point in time, and the rest is history, just like when Buhari lost the elections and riots erupted is a number of northern cities, gross mis'anagement of that situation could have easily lead to a civil war,
I just need you to see beyond 5 young coup plotters and understand that Nigeria as it is today is constantly siting on a kegg of gun powder. You never know when something as insignificant as 5 middlebelt army guys assassinating a governor from one of the northern states may lead to something unexpected.
the exact conditions that lead to d civil war so many years ago are still around with us

nagoma:
I pity those innocent souls but war has always been like that and will remain so , very cruel.Please check the war records of the Europian civil and tribal wars ( popularly called world wars) , worse atrocities happened. The atom bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki was not meant to kill just soldiers but all people actually all generation , adults, the old, the women and the children. It was meant to kill all animals to kill the crops the land and the environment. And it did all that. War is not a civilized occupation and the five Igbo majors should not have started their ethnic cleansing mutiny.

It is important to note that the Japanese did get on with their lives and actually achieved as much development as the conquerors , even better in many ways. Do you realize that Japan is a major ally of the US? Just go on lamenting , gudging and pitying your selves for what you don't fully understand and will never,and hatred is not a solution - ask the Japanese, ask the Germans.

And guess who are one of the most progressive groups in nigeria today, I believe Igbos have moved on, but that should not stop us talking about the past, or should we cancel history as a subject,

sheyguy:
like i said in my post this pride and manipulation thing is still affecting u guys, u r a typical xample of a manipulated Ibo. keep wasting your time denying the obvious truth.

Sheyguy, do you really think that few Igbo solgiers killing some northern politicians was the root cause of the war? Just to enlighten you, there existed ethnic tensions between the man tribal groups and btw the main and minority groups in the years leading to independence. The level of hatred and suspicions that existed just needed an appropriate trigger,

chmod777:
Did Ojukwu participate in the coup,  NO
Did the innocent civilians participate in the coup,  NO
Who did ?
Why was it not handled military gang versus military gang ?
Did Ojukwu ask for war------- NO
Did he discourse for a peaceful exit when it be came really bad to coexist--------- YES

infact he went to aburi, ghana to discuss how to live as one country, after the massive killings in the north, he didnt initially ask for independence, but for a more powerful regional government (what nigerians especially yorubas are asking for today).
Initially Gowon agreed in Ghana, but on getting to nigeria, those who had Gowons ears adviced him against allowing the regions more power to determine their right to determine their progress as a people. when this was refuses, Ojukwu felt he culd not go back to the previous structure and declared the independent nation of biafra.

Today we talk about resource control and true federalism, without knowing that over 2million lives paid the ultimate sacrifice in trying to achieve it.

A real man is at least 8 inches long and can pleasure his female partner successfully, lolz

PHIPEX:
Yes, one of the goals of any reasonable administration whether public or private is to get a good public perception (if your in doubt, ask the banks) because as a nation it could in a longer way determine the rate of foreign Direct Investment that flow into your nation. yes, we shouldn't over-celebrate these ratings but I bet that if this particular rating came in a negative way most of us that are saying all these things would have also used it against the current administratio[b]n.

How many of u will invest in a country that is rated Negative[/b]?

yes ooo, the same hypocrites who are saying that GEJ should not use the positive flitch rating to judge his his economic progress would happily and readily use a negative flitch rating against gej,

Ngozi has stated that one of the adnibnistrations goals is to reduce recurrent expenditure over a period of time, but people want this things done now, they want GEJ to interfere with almost every process in the country, maybe this hypocrites are indirectly asking for military rule.

for me, its just absurd to begin comparing lagos with other states in 9ja, it has received the kind of attention no other state has received due to the fact that it was once a federal capital territory.

a moe appropriate question would have been, whats the most enlightened state outside of lags and abuja?

dayokanu:
If Retardeen buys 15yr old coaches I would ask him what he wants to use them for.

Cos in his acute cluelessness, he might put them on the fleet of the proposed Nigerian Airways in Abuja Airport.

Odechukwus dumbness knows no bound. He cant even locate his as5 with his 2 hands

If you ask Odechukwu what a coach is he would only think about Super Eagles. You can get a clue from what he defined security as in his interview with DBanj

well believe it or not 2015 is your chance to show us over here is 9ja just how fast you can locate your as5, since yo are miles smarter than the current president,
when u join 9ja politics maybe you may just see things different than reuben agbati

alj harem:
So are you actually comparing the funds available for the SG with that of the FG

If the FG does the same, although I do not expect people to talk him down but really if a state can afford 15 yrs old coach then I am sure the FG can do better.

state buying things is different from the FG

what is this, can't you interprete my very simple statements? why would I compare FG and SG funds, I was just trying to illustrate a point on hypocrisy, pls wise up

ekt_bear:
Has nothing to do with Fashola or PPP. Remember the old saying, "Cut your coat according to your cloth." That is what is being done here. Just purely common sense.

hey, i'not saying it is bad to get the coaches, in fact I actually think it the best choice given the conditions and alternatives immidiately available,

I just saying the we have to make consistent judgements all the time,
just imagin what ur response would have been if you saw an article titled.

"Gej to import 15 year old trains"

you know what ur response would have been.

15 year old coaches are god because it is fashola and his PPP bringing them, if it was GEJ or Rochas or Rotimi, then it would be a problem.
Sometimes the level of hypocrisy I see here is astonishing.

let me keep walking like johnny walker,

Ibori was not hailed his way, when he was being chased around delta state by the EFCC only people from his village showed any form of support for him, yet I saw people writing here on NL that ND were supporting Ibori, Let me see whats going to be said about the support these two are getting,

Tinubu has every right to blast the fg on this matter, after all, during his 8 years in power, he fixed all the roads under the lagos state government, he goat!!

The FG is fixing roads, not all can be fixed at the same time, there is no law that states lagos mus be the first priority, hypocrites!!

freecocoa:
Airforce,landforce o,Navy o,marine,pilot or whatever he looks better in that than that hat he always wears.

~Bluetooth:
I hate seeing him in that yeye palmwine-tapper hat.

All we did is to provide the natural resources that sustain this country, why do you exhibit so much hatrade towards us?
@bluetooth, if OBJ with his monkey face and personality could rule this country for 8 years, y not GEJ?

Good, now lets get a tikme frame for this,
also constituency projects to senators,
foriegn medcal check ups for public officers. etc
NNPC,
Fuel subsidy,


so much waste to trim.lol

how can any reasonable person say that subsidy should not be removed in 2012, I think this is good in the long run, instead of throwing insults and asking for freebies,
The issue is not how sustain the poor masses in their present condition perpetually but how to build up the middle class as fast as possible, and for that to be done, hard and uncomfortable decisions have to be made, not populist decisions,

What I would expect from people commenting so far is to demand to see how government would match the cut in subsidies with reduction in curruption, and govt spending like security votes and constitutency projects.

kabba7:
Igbos and south, south people has sold to Nigeria and Nigerians what the Yoruba's will call an OKU APARO how can a Professor be as dumb as this it surely cannot be worse ,Otio

At least let try what they have sold us to, we got to where we r because of being sold out by SW and north, they have jointly run this country for nearly 50years and brought us to this point, I honestly dont think it can get any worse.
olodo!!

Here is what I know, I maybe wrong
*the only way private entities will participate in the downstream sector is if it is deregulated
*for a the sector to be deregulated, government has to hands off price fixing, prices will be driven by market forces.
*Proposal is for removal of subsidies by 2012
*if private entities come in, then first private refinerys may may start pumping by 2014 or so ( consider bureaucratic bottlenecks, red tapes etc, construction, and other associated efforts)
*decisions to be made.
do we import fuel without subsidies from 2012 till when ever the private guys come on stream?
maybe we can quickly repair the existing ones to provide a cushioning effect,

this may be the line of thought that might have gone into the decisions to repair the refineries and probably sell them off latter.

I think I am not comfortable with government repairing these refineries, they should be immidiately privatised.
the buyers can repair and start pumping as soon as possible.
I think this will close the loop on my suspected way GEJ govt is thinking