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achorladey:
Your definition above for INFANTS is the one used specially by JWs? I hear you. Now you are switching children/babies. No problem.

Look what did your organization put out there that others do but the scriptures say it is wrong concerning baptism? Look the image below...

Okay so I see where this is going. I'm going to ignore related questions here on out.

achorladey:
I believe infant aged 6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13 are able to fully understand and comprehend certain things. Go and study cognitive development well well.

When you were at age 6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13 do you understand and fully comprehend what is called the HUMAN RIGHTS as defined by the UN articles?

If an elderly man can walk and still hit his feet against a stone despite the number of years he has been on earth, how much more infants that can't distinguished his left slippers from the right slippers or can cross a gutter or drainage on his own.

Okay. I'll believe that when you were at those mentioned ages, you were enrolled in school and taught subjects which you grasped. In the same vein, basic Bible teachings required for dedication and baptism are easy to grasp by young ones, just not babies.

I don't want this to brew into further arguments so this will probably be my last reply to you on this.

rottennaija:
Is there a biblical precedence for it?

For what?

rottennaija:
No you don't.

Under what circumstances can a Jw breaks God's law?

Ask mature questions please.

rottennaija:
Is there any scriptural precedence for the baptism of infant?

Infants are those who cannot fully understand and grasp the requirements for dedication and baptism. A child of 10 can UNDERSTAND what is required. But Jehovah's Witnesses in general do not baptize babies/children who have no knowledge about Jehovah.

rottennaija:
They can be holes in your answers. That's why further questions are asked.

I see.

achorladey:
This what you typed below.......

The Minor blood fractions acts as antibodies so it's not viewed as a component of blood

The question the above raise is are the minor blood fractions acting as antibodies components of blood? I can't be letter A and be acting as letter A. I can only be letter B but acting as letter A

Ok.

achorladey:
Bounus questions for you:

Do JWs baptize INFANTS?

Do JWs consider humans aged 6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13 as (Men/Women) or INFANTS when baptized?

Are JWs hypocrites on this ISSUE of INFANT baptism?

The backbone of the whole thing is for the person in question to fully understand the decision he/she is about to make concerning dedication to Jehovah and baptism. A child of 10 years is able to understand these things — especially when the parents began to teach him/her the Bible from an early age. Jehovah's Witnesses do not baptize babies, as those in Christendom do because children of 0-5years aren't able to fully comprehend and understand certain things.

achorladey:
Major blood components............ Minor blood fractions.............. are bolded

if there is major blood components, what are the Minor blood components, if there is minor blood fractions what are the major blood fractions.

That's why the question was asked that what is the difference between blood components and blood fractions . It is only when you answer this you can attempt question below.....Are blood fractions components of blood?


Concerning the first three questions. I leave you to open discussion with the members of the organization you belong.

The minor fractions act as antibodies so it's not viewed as a component of blood.

urchcoded:
I dated a Jehovah's witness. So I know una every every. So sad she had to leave me because I'm a non witness. You people suck. Judgemental self righteous people.

Okay sir!

rottennaija:
These questions are different from the first and I still have more to ask. Why not just respond to it so we can move the the next one.

Scroll up and find the answers to your questions.
My answers are crystal clear. If you want to keep finding holes in them, that's on you man.

urchcoded:
we know what you guys believe already. You intrude into our houses everyday to tell us same thing. So no need of creating this thread if you are not ready to answer questions logically.

Okay. Most people have misconceptions about Jehovah's Witnesses and the essence of this thread is to address questions people may have about JW's. Once I give an answer, I leave it at that so it doesn't brew into an argument.
Thank you and have a good day sir!

urchcoded:
you didn't answer my question. And no fewer hospitals are going for bloodless techniques compared to blood transfusions.

Okay sir. I guess we'll just leave it at that.
Note that I'm not trying to convince you here to do anything, I'm just stating the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses as regards the Bible.
So what you may feel is right isn't of concern to us, thank you and have a good day sir.

rottennaija:
The bible specifically condemns blood in specific form of eating of blood. The concept of blood transfusion to save a life didn't exist then. The command at Acts 15:28,29 is very specific with the eating of blood. To claim that the Bible "specifically said not to consume blood in any form" is false and wrong.

The bible says nothing of organ transplant, but it condemns cannibalism. And yet, blood transfusion is an organ transplant because it is the transfusion of blood tissues.

“As cardiovascular surgeon Denton Cooley notes: ‘A blood transfusion is an organ transplant...’” (Awake! Oct. 22, 1990, p. 9).”

“When doctors transplant a heart, a liver, or another organ, the recipient’s immune system may sense the foreign tissue and reject it. Yet, a transfusion is a tissue transplant…” (How can Blood Save Your Life, 1990, p.


So if the bible condemns cannibalism, why should it be right to accept organ transplant?





In the above, you compare blood transfusion to eating of blood. That's how you draw the analogy but you know the bible doesn't condemn eating of blood.

Now, concerning your analogy,

Consider a man who is told by his doctors that he must abstain from meat. Would he be obedient if he quit eating meat, but accepted a kidney transplant?”

Is eating meat same as accepting organ transplant?

Is eating of blood (forbidding in the bible) the same as accepting blood transfusion not forbidden in the bible?




Let assume the bible forbid blood transfusion, which it doesn't. Does the bible make any distinction between whole blood and blood fraction?

Does not making such distinction going beyond the things that are written?

Does the bible forbid the giving of blood so that these fractions can be separated out?

@rottennaija
I've already answered your question earlier, thank you for your time.

Emusan:
It's obvious that JWs don't adhere to Bible standards strictly.

Okay Emusan!

Emusan:
That was the reason I told you to pull down the thread from beginning.

You said from the Opening Page that, "...as such they hate Jehovah's Witnesses for adhering to Bible standards strictly."

If Jws adheres to Bible standards strictly, why are you doing what isn't in the Bible?



Thank God you admit Abraham didn't CLAIM to be God's friend, as God Himself is the one who called him His friend but what you're doing today is CLAIMING TO BE GOD'S FRIEND when God Himself has CALLED US HIS CHILDREN.




Let me repeat what your own organization says again so that you can see that The Lord's Supper is connected to that John 6:53-57

This is what your own organization says "The unleavened bread and red wine served at the Memorial are emblems, or symbols, of Christ’s flesh and blood. They are not miraculously changed into or mixed with his literal flesh and blood, as some feel."

This was the same flesh and blood Christ talked about in John 6

You already know you don't have eternal life and you won't be resurrected on the last day since you don't eat and drink Christ's body and blood.

Okay!

rottennaija:
In the issue of blood transfusion, why does your religion accept organ transplant but reject blood transfusion?

Is blood transfusion not a transplant of fluid tissue?

It is a well know fact that the Bible does not forbid blood transfusion but forbids the eating of blood. Now, where does the bible forbid the transfusion of blood fractions but allows the transfusion of haemoglobin?

rottennaija : In the issue of blood transfusion, why does your religion accept organ transplant but reject blood transfusion?

Is blood transfusion not a transplant of fluid tissue?

DappaD : Jehovah's Witnesses do not intend to go beyond what is written in the Scriptures. The Bible specifically said not to consume blood in any form — Acts 15:28,29.
But the Bible doesn't comment on organ transplants, it's left to the person's conscience — so if an individual wants to undergo such an operation, the blood in the organs and tissues to be transplanted would be drained out.



rottennaija : It is a well know fact that the Bible does not forbid blood transfusion but forbids the eating of blood. Now, where does the bible forbid the transfusion of blood fractions but allows the transfusion of haemoglobin?

DappaD : Look at it this way, if one cannot process food through the mouth and instead has a drip attached to him to provide him food nutrients, isn't it the same thing as just eating to sustain yourself? Of course it is. That's why Jehovah's Witnesses will not consume blood by mouth or take it into their body by any means to sustain themselves.

rottennaija :


Now, where does the bible forbid the transfusion of blood fractions but allows the transfusion of haemoglobin?

You've not understood me. Jehovah's Witnesses will not accept whole blood or any of its major components – red blood cells, white blood cells, platelets or plasma.
There are fractions in the blood that act as antibodies such as albumin, these no longer represent the life of a human being so it's left to the person in question to either accept or reject these minor fractions.

urchcoded:
more often than not blood transfusions have simply saved lives. Why choose death over blood transfusions just because there is a minor chance of complications arising, just like any other medical procedure including non blood transfusions procedures?

I'll suggest you do a research and see the number of bloodless alternatives available. Most hospitals home and abroad are going for bloodless techniques now.

achorladey:
Why do JWs accept and get transfused with blood fractions they don't DONATE?

Did Jehovah asks JWs to accept blood fractions not donated by JWs?

Are JWs hypocrites when they collect blood fractions donated by Christendom?

What's the difference between blood components and blood fractions?

Are blood fractions components of blood?

Words in italics show you're looking for an argument. So I'll ignore.

Words in bold however are good questions.
Jehovah's Witnesses will NOT accept blood in whole or any of its four major components — red blood cells, white blood cells, plasma, platelets.

However there are minor blood fractions which just act as antibodies in the blood and so no longer represent the life of the human being when considered, such include immunoglobulins and albumin. So a Christian can decide to reject these minor fractions or accept them since it no longer represents the life of the human being based on Bible trained conscience.
Jehovah's Witnesses can also accept nonblood volume expanders and other bloodless alternatives available.

Besides, transfusion of blood or its major components isn't a guarantee of life after going through the process, as the person still stands a chance to get more complications for himself or even die — so that's why Jehovah's Witnesses heed Bible advice to “abstain from blood” – Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 17:11,12, Deuteronomy 12:23, Acts 15:28,29.

Maximus69:
He's just deceiving himself with the deities of old Arabians that was forced down the throats of his forefathers by the sword. I've shown him JWs are making disciples even amongst Arabians, so if he doesn't want to listen to the message of PEACE i'm through with him. He can continue deceiving himself over a religion that can't make PEACE reign even in the midst of it's adherents!

Likewise
It's just a fruitless discussion
How has the convention been brother?

Lukuluku69:
The Verses were not tampered with! The problem is this: you left Verses 1 thru 15 and ask me about 16 and 17. I know JW do this a lot!

The Chapter starts with a certain burden on a Desert of Sea. Move on to watchmen on the look out for someone and Babylon falling with her idols. Then the watchmen saw some horse rider, A Chariot of Ass or Rider upon an Ass and a Chariot of Camel or a Rider upon a Camel. I will tell you the mystery of the Riders. Then Verse 13 mentioned "the burden upon Arabia!

Also note that "Dedan(im) and Tema" Are ISHMAEL SONS NAMES!

Tema and Dedan were Ishmael sons name who descendants settled in Tema and Dedanim just like Judah. They were the Tribe that housed Prophet Muhammad when Kedar the chief tribe were attacking the Prophet! They brought water to him that fled!
And the glory of kedar that failed was when Kedar (the Meccan Pagans were defeated)
Babylon being mentione was figurative as it was the Persians that ended their reign.
The Burden upon Arabia is to spread the message preached by that Rider that the watchmen spied on the Camel.

Oh so now you want to consider other verses?
C'mon don't be a hypocrite. Since you want to ignore context na, what did Isaiah say concerning Kedar? Did Isaiah say that the glory of Kedar would come to an end or not? —Isaiah 21:16,17.

Lukuluku69:
The Verses were not tampered with! The problem is this: you left Verses 1 thru 15 and ask me about 16 and 17. I know JW do this a lot!

The Chapter starts with a certain burden on a Desert of Sea. Move on to watchmen on the look out for someone and Babylon falling with her idols. Then the watchmen saw some horse rider, A Chariot of Ass or Rider upon an Ass and a Chariot of Camel or a Rider upon a Camel. I will tell you the mystery of the Riders. Then Verse 13 mentioned "the burden upon Arabia!

Also note that "Dedan(im) and Tema" Are ISHMAEL SONS NAMES!

Tema and Dedan were Ishmael sons name who descendants settled in Tema and Dedanim just like Judah. They were the Tribe that housed Prophet Muhammad when Kedar the chief tribe were attacking the Prophet! They brought water to him that fled!
And the glory of kedar that failed was when Kedar (the Meccan Pagans were defeated)
Babylon being mentione was figurative as it was the Persians that ended their reign.
The Burden upon Arabia is to spread the message preached by that Rider that the watchmen spied on the Camel.

The mention of Babylon wasn't figurative. Yes Babylon was overthrown by the Medo-Persians. But Babylon actually struck down Kedar — Jeremiah 49:28,29

Ken4Christ:
The devil is so happy because he has a sure candidate of Hell in you. You will understand when you get there. Your brain is so damaged such that no matter the Scripture evidences I give, you will still not understand.

Sorry, you gave actual Scriptural evidences of a mythical “hell fire” ? Where?
Biko how can you give evidence of what doesn't exist?

Ken4Christ:
You have been brainwashed and you can never understood the truth of God's word. Remain in your ignorance.

Why can't your Holy Ghost answer for you now oo?
Simple question someone asked you, you've called the person ‘brainwashed’

Lukuluku69:
I have an handicap! Can't copy and paste nor quote any Scripture for now. Had it been I can, by God you won't say any word of abuse you have been posting.

Be kind enough to post it here and I will give you the interpretation in the light of the Cold hard fact of History.

Be kind enough. Oya Isaiah 21:16-17.

Read it out loud nah
What does Isaiah 21:16,17 say concerning Kedar?
See wahala oo

Lukuluku69:
Do you agree that by mentioning one's name, you want that person's attention? Or you are drawing attention to someone?

That said, what Jeremaiah was saying in Jer 2:7-13 is so clear. The Tribe of Kedar: Ishmael's fourth son will do away with ALL Their graven images which were not god and embrace the True Faith and worship the True God. Jeremaiah says no Nation as ever done it except at the "Tent of Kedar". And while they are doing it, His "people" will go after what doesn't profit.

I quoted this to show Blind Maximus69 that the Arabs are not perpetual idolaters as posted. In the words of Jeremaiah "consider diligently"

Was Kedar the only tribe mentioned at Jeremiah 2:10?

Okay... Since you want to be ignoring context, Oya what did Isaiah say regarding this your Kedah at Isaiah 21:16,17 ?
Please read out loud
I know you'll come and say that verse was manipulated now

Lukuluku69:
I told you once before and I am saying it again, your Cult are just Cowards. That's all.

Before going to bed, please read thru Jeremaiah 2:7-13. Your Jehovah made Jeremaiah uttered those words.

The issue is not whether the sons of Ishmael were mentioned in the Bible. Can you explain what Jeremiah was talking about there? — that's the question.

1StopRudeness:
What is No! I ddnt ask you anything and you aren’t shouting no!!
Please let’s call it day.... u guys always sound like automated customer service voice when one calls Glo/ mtn/ airtel..... like u copy ur answer from somewhere and dump it here... whether it flows with dialogue or not... it doesn’t matter to you...

It's not copy and paste sir. It's part of me. Accurate knowledge is essential for one to be saved and have everlasting life (John 17:3, 1Timothy 2:4)

Do have a good night's rest sir!

1StopRudeness:
Still the same thing I said.... thank God u have made it clear you God is different from the one we call....

trinity God is something you JWs made up... there’s no trinity God in the Bible..and no christain mentioned it here.... and I never mentioned any trinity God in my dialogue with you....
someone explained it to u but like I said the explanation of God the father the creator and Jesus his son and holyspirit can Will always be rocket science to u JW... cos you will always confuse your self with statements like 3 Gods, Jesus is God, trinity God...

No! Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe in any trash called trinity!
We believe Jehovah is the only true God (Deuteronomy 6:4, Galatians 3:20), the Most High over all the earth(Psalm 83:18) and Creator of the Universe(Genesis 1:1, Isaiah 40:28, 42:5)

We believe that Jesus is his Son (Matthew 16:16, John 20:31) the Son of the Most High(Luke 1:31-33) who Jehovah his Father sent to the earth to give his life as a corresponding ransom for many and to proclaim the good news of God's Kingdom (Matthew 20:28, Luke 4:43)

We believe God's holy spirit to be an impersonal active force — which has been associated with impersonal things such as “finger of God” “breath of God” “outstretched arm of God”. (Matthew 12:28 compare with Luke 11:20). So all of these point to the fact that holy spirit is not a person rather it is God's active force.





The trinity doctrine is nothing but a useless doctrine/lie brought forth by enemies of Jehovah and his Son.

1StopRudeness:
That’s the thing with you JW.s....your watch tower organization tell you....you are the only real true Christians...they tell others are sinners...and they are not worshiping The real jehovah....
So u JWs can have the hoyspirt but can’t have the gift of the spirit.... very funny...does that sound right to you....


Paul and Jesus were truly referring to future times .....who told you it’s this time.?? The time Paul referred to was clearly stated in 2thes 2v7: When the mystery of lawlessness and the age of antichrist will be fully at work... he was even clear that the reign of the lawless one is still being restrained: i.e by the church& the operation of the Holy Spirit if God

until the church age is taken out of the way... then the mystery of lawlessness will be fully at work...then gifts of the spirit will cease because sin and evil will superced in the earth greatly....

We are almost at that time... the time isn’t now...this season of corona virus is an example of how the church age will eventually come to an end... when sinful, Godless Governemnt will use their powers to close churches and saints can no longer gather, pray or witness to others ..

I know all I’m saying is nonsense ...and u JWs are the only one serving God... I’ve met many like u..

Lol. Okay.
Ponder over all I've said though.

1StopRudeness:
One of them even said the God’s Holy Spirit and the gift of the spirit is no longer in operation becos the church is now matured from the time Paul and the apostles died to our time.....I even testified that I prayed and trusted Jesus for my healing and was made while.... the guy said it’s another thing that healed me...that’s its not God..the creator and owner of my soul... he spoke like the secretary of God....

As in....like.... it’s not my Oga that healed you, I know all his whereabouts... and I’m sure he ddnt branch your side to heal you........ jw people.. they always make me laugh

Try and understand me. I never said you weren't miraculously healed by your God.
I said the miraculous gifts of Jehovah's holy spirit are no more in force today.(1Corinthians 13:8 )
So obviously the source isn't from my God Jehovah .
So it's probably from your nameless trinity God!

Blabbermouth:
Oh Lord, how I so much hate DENOMINATIONS!
Seriously?! Did you read this verse yourself and come to that conclusion?! Can you prove to me that it was not your board of directors that interpreted this scripture to you?
Surely, you can answer this....
1. From what time till what time was the Miraculous signs and co. supposed to last?
2. Before the arrival of Christ, will Christians demonstrate the power of God or not? (Hahahahahahaha.. Many scriptures are waiting for you like a two edged sword)
Let's be honest, this is what actually happened - The founders of JW org did not have a taste and reality-revelation of God's glorious power (signs, wonders and the likes), so they were disappointed by that shortcoming. With one or two scriptures that can be twisted to soothe them, they concluded that everyone seen demonstrating the power of God is actually not by the Holy Ghost unction, they concluded that those aspects of Christ-likeness was limited to the Early apostles. Oh, poor members! The offspring of this denomination was deprived of the grace of tasting and being a vessel through which God's power can be manifested.
Peace bro!

Okay!