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Righteousness89:


He That being often reproved, and Continues to Harden his neck , will Suddenly be Destroyed and that without Remedy!

You are Free to say or Believe what you will Sir!

You won't say you didn't hear or you didn't Know ..

Keep on doing whatever you Will.. When you Cross over, you will wish to turn back the clock..

So if we understand you correctly, you're worshiping your trinity god because YOU DO NOT WANT TO GO TO A MYTHICAL HELLFIRE?

solite3:
Jesus does not use what is not true to make parable.
Jesus use things that really happens to make parable.
If Jesus used hell to make parable that means hell is truly real and a place of torment.

Usually, the parable of the rich man and Lazarus is the go-to scripture for hellfire apologists. The Pharisees that Jesus was addressing, didn't they know that Abraham was long dead?(Ecclesiastes 9:5,6)
So how come Jesus is saying Abraham is alive somewhere if it's not a parable used to deliver a message?


I've asked many hellfire apologists this particular question:

Is solite3 alleging that the parable of the rich man and Lazarus is meant to be understood LITERALLY and the other parables Jesus told be understood FIGURATIVELY?

Emusan:
Smile.....

Just like I said, a lot of you don't know anything about the Comma apart from the lies you're being told.

So who is this OVERZEALOUS TRINITARIAN?

Doesn't the person have name?

What time was it added?

If these questions can be answered, then we'll know where we're going.

So are you now denying that there are no OTHER SPURIOUS PASSAGES apart from 1 John 5:7 in the Bible?

Oga that interpolation was added in the scriptures by trinitarians. You call it lies, yet it's not only one source that's disputing that falsehood.

There are other several spurious additions to the scriptures. Two of which are
1. The additional verses at Mark 16. Old reliable manuscripts ended at verse 8. Other translators added verses 9-20 as seen in the KJV Bible.

2. A good number of ancient and authoritative manuscripts skip verses found at John 7:53 – 8:11. All them KJV and NIV translators then manufactured those scriptures and added it in the Bible for reasons known to them.
Older, reliable manuscripts start John 8 at verse 12.

Emusan:
But the text has been known before that time and even appeared in the oldest Latin Manuscript of 4th Century.

ATTENTION! ATTENTION!! ATTENTION!!!

I want to draw your attention to the same screenshot you first shared.

The last statement in that screenshot read:

"It was not always included in the first printed Latin translation of the Bible, but the editors of sixto-Clementine Vulgate (1592) chose to print it [1John 5:7] along with a number of other SPURIOUS PASSAGES"

If you can recall, your first post on this thread started with "A spurious addition to the Holy Scriptures...

Now from the statement above, there are OTHER SPURIOUS PASSAGES not only 1 John 5:7

Do you know some of these SPURIOUS PASSAGES are in the same 1 John 5 which many translations including your NWT which refused to have 1 John 5:7 still have till today?

But as we just started on this, I'll leave that to another time.



Now what you called more RELIABLE manuscripts also has some omittions which can only be traced to the other manuscripts you're talking about and these omittions still exist in the same translations that rejected the COMMA.

This shows that many people who rejected the COMMA don't know much about it rather than the lies they have been told that it's a spurious addition.

That was before I did further research.

“In the fourth century C.E., in a Latin treatise, an overzealous advocate of Trinitarianism evidently included the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the holy spirit; and these three are one” as if these were a quotation from 1 John 5:7. Later that passage was put right into the text of a Latin Bible manuscript.”

Source — ‘The Word of God Endures Forever’ The Watchtower, October 1, 1997

Myer:
But the apostles communed with the Holyspirit, didn't they? Was that also an Apostrophe? Lol Acts 13:2

When has the holy spirit ever had a two-way conversation with anybody in the Bible?
Shouldn't be so hard to show such a scripture, should it?


At Acts 13:2, Paul and Barnabas were simply appointed as apostles by holy spirit – it doesn't mean holy spirit was having a conversation with them. The to-be apostles got the message/assignment directly from Jehovah God himself, so God spoke to them through a figurative ‘loudspeaker’ – that is, holy spirit. A loudspeaker isn't a living being, is it? Just a means of transmitting messages/information. That's how God, by his holy spirit communicated with them.

Janosky abeg come explain this with better illustrations.
You seem to have a gift of good illustrations

shadeyinka:
I guess you should tidy up your illustration as when the Word became the Son who then became Flesh. LOL!

Heb 1:13:
"But to which of the angels, did He say at any time, Sit on My right hand until I make Your enemies Your footstool?"
Answer: Angel Micheal! LOL!!

Alright I guess we'll have to leave it at that then.
Carry on.

TGM2015:
In trinity, there is nothing like God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. There is only one God, and that is God the Father.

In Trinity, we have
God the Father (The Almighty Jehovah)
the Son (The Christ Emmanuel, meaning God is with us)
and the Holy Spirit (The Comforter)

I will have love the analogy of Government, because Trinity is about the Kingdom (governance) of God. For our type of government, there is Executive, Legislative and Judiciary, they are the Trinity of earthly government, without the three there is nothing like government, expect "they" believe by God's nature, He ran an authoritarian or unitary government. Without the working of The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, the work of salvation cannot be completed.

Trinity in is simplest form as it relates to Christianity is "the unity of the 3 main identities that rules God's Kingdom for Salvation of humanity."

You can also check a non-religion and academic definition of Trinity by following the link below.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Trinity-Christianity

Are you people seriously disagreeing on the definition of your trinity god?
Well that isn't news.

shadeyinka:
I have explained this before.
John 1:14:
"And the Word became flesh , and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of [the] Father, full of grace and of truth."

If the Word became Flesh, then the word is the Flesh (Son)

If the Word BECAME Flesh (Jesus), then the Word must have preceded the Flesh (Jesus).

I can only become what I wasn't before. I can become the president of Nigeria (for I am not yet the president).

1John 4:2 was to address the heresy of those who viewed Jesus as not also human but a spirit.

Hmm okay I'll use your analogy now.
Jesus wasn't ‘flesh’ prior to his human existence — he was a spirit creature existing as God's firstborn Son in heaven (Proverbs 8:22, Colossians 1:15, Revelation 3:14)
Jesus then ‘became’ flesh or you can say ‘He[Jesus] was made manifest in the flesh’ – (See 1Timothy 3:16) when he came to the earth. (John 1:14, 3:13, 1Corinthians 15:47, Philippians 2:5-8 )
Understood?

shadeyinka:
John 1:14:
"And the Word became flesh , and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of [the] Father, full of grace and of truth."

I mean you said the Word existed before the Son? How?


@your above reply, yes it's known that Jesus who was a spirit creature in heaven became a human (John 3:13, 1Corinthians 15:47, Philippians 2:5-8, 1Timothy 3:16, 1John 4:2,3)

Pay rapt attention to 1John 4:2 particularly, it says
“This is how you know that the inspired statement is from God: Every inspired statement that acknowledges Jesus Christ as having come in the flesh originates with God.”

Doesn't this show the Word is the same as the Son of God, Jesus Christ?

shadeyinka:
the Word existed BEFORE the Son.

Wow, care to expatiate more on that?

Emusan:
1. By who? At least the fraudulent inclusion should be traced to someone or group or year



2. You mean it wasn't in the any known manuscripts or what?

1. The screenshot I shared said it was Erasmus, a so-called ‘Christian’ scholar who added it to his Bible in the year 1522 before other translators picked it up – including King James.

2. When compared with more reliable ancient manuscripts, those additions weren't found — particularly when compared with the Masoretes scrolls.

Myer:
Maybe you should read your bible again to confirm the pronoun used to address him.

Personification doesn't prove personality most of the time.
Sin and death are said to rule as kings.(Romans 5:14, 21)
But they aren't humans, are they?

Emusan:
Was it fraudulent inserted?

OR

Was omitted from Ancient Greek?

1. Yes it was fraudulently included. Usual Catholic Church propaganda — King James also added the interpolation in his Bible.

2. What wasn't there in the first place can't be omitted.

Emusan:
Since you have done that and got your answer, now answer my question in a simpler form!

Who added it? Very simple

I won't spoonfeed you lol.
You're going to have to learn how to do research

Emusan:
Who added it?

I think just typing those words ‘Comma Johannine’ on Google would bring up several websites you can check on.

Emusan:
1 John 5:7 in the KJV contains these words called the Johannine Comma (also known as the Comma Johanneum or the Heavenly Witnesses). 

Why this verse was not found in some translations today:

Was it fraudulent inserted?

OR

Was omitted from Ancient Greek?

A spurious addition to the Holy Scriptures just so Trinitarians can carry on in their folly.
Verse 6 acts as a precedent of what to expect at the later verses.

brocab:
Then close your leg's and prove your theory, that "You need God..

brocab relax biko
It is okay

rabzy:
God can become whatever he chooses to be...that's the meaning of his name Jehovah...but he is not what anybody just presumes him to be.

What's the meaning of God being in everybody at the same time.

God is not just one with Jesus... according to Jesus he said we are also one with him and God...does that mean we all part of the trinity ...or rather we are all working towards the same purpose

John 17:22
I believe that should sort out the confusion trinitarians are currently faced with.

Brachaa:
Buahahahahaaaa.... Very hilarious.

Keep blaspheming until you fall into a 100ft ditch where there won't be anyone in site to call out to. Then you will call on the Most High God who will now prove His existence to you.

Remember the man who boasted that even God cannot sink the "great" Titanic? What happened few hours later? God proved himself strong and mighty. And the Titanic plunged into the deep.

Give your life to Christ now before it is too late.
Jesus cares more than you care about yourself.

Shalom.

Oga stop this lie

The Almighty God is not unjust and He doesn't act wickedly. (Job 34:10-12, Romans 9:14)

Notatribalist:
don't say what you don't knw. So what's their was of tithing their members.

Don't listen to that one
He's a confused kid who left the JW organization so he's out on nairaland trying to bash us.

chatinent:
1. You yourself have made a distinction between Jesus and the Holy Spirit, sir.
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2. Being born-again means many things to many people so we don't accept a generic sense of whatever meaning people accord to it unless an individual is to explain what it means to them. What does it mean to you?
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3. We are drinkers, not drunks. We have wives, not whores. We do everything others do but legally and in line with the bible, eg. we drink with limits; about sex, for the married alone; we train our kids the best way; we have the best family of Christian association; we have the best friends, we have the best God -- we are Jehovah's Witnesses! (yet you just hate us because you came to learn people don't like us without any reasons of anything wrong we did. You hate us because we come knocking on your doors out of love so you and us may live eternally. You hate us because we carry bag in hot sun to meet you. You hate us for nothing).
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Thanks for reminding me I found the truth. You are welcome, sir.

@3. John 15:19-20

Maximus69:
Pathetic indeed!

So death and grave will become humans first so that their names could be searched for in the book of life whether they did what is good or evil shey?

Why not just keep shut and learn?

DEATH and GRAVE will become human beings because mike272 wants to explain his obsolete hellfire doctrine

mike272:
Are you deliberately trying not to understand or avoid what am saying?
It never said it will burn death and grave. Instead, it said, They will first be brought back to life. That is, they will become human first.
While in human flesh their name will be checked in the book of life if their name is not found in the book of life( Which was based on how they lived their life before they died) they will be cast into the lack of fire. Rev 20:14,15.

@bolded
My God! I'm in tears
So ‘death’ now will be brought to life?
You can do better abeg

Mentorme:
That is not parable.

So even the stories of the Good Samaritan and Prodigal son aren't parables abi? Jesus actually was telling real life stories abi?
OK we've heard you.

*Modified:
Note that Jesus was talking to the Pharisees at Luke 16:19-31

But now notice at Mark 4:34, it was said about Jesus
“But without a parable spake he[Jesus] not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.” KJV Translation

What can you make of the above?

Mentorme:
Ignorance!
Did Lazarus the brother of Mary and Martha resurrect before the death of Jesus (even though he didn't live forever) ?
JW is saying that to cover their lies.
That is not parable.

Matthew 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

@the bolded, and I suppose Lazarus went to heaven abi? Or if he went to heaven why did Jesus now bring him down to come and suffer on the earth again
Your interpretation is not correlating oo

chiemmanuel:
simple yes or no,
Can you vouch for the spirituality of all of them

I believe you can discern the answer from my previous comment on this.

chiemmanuel:
what would I gain
Can you vouch for all the witnesses worldwidw

That is what will shock you!
Jehovah's Witnesses extensively preach God's Kingdom(Daniel 2:44, Matthew 6:9,10, 24:14) and before you become a Witness, there are certain stages you'll have to pass through — intense Bible study, make visible and personal changes, dedication, baptism.
There is no way someone practising spiritism can become one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Spiritism is regarded as “works of the flesh” and those practising spiritism/witchcraft have no place in God's Kingdom! (Galatians 5:19-21)

So before you begin to tell lies or rubbish JW's, keep Matthew 5:11 in mind.

Mentorme:
Meaning; even Ten commandments are no longer valid?
Not to talk of all the Old Testament that you are quoting here as back up to you believe

DappaD:
But there are lessons to be learnt from the Law so as to know how God views certain matters.

A sharp person would understand what I meant! If you can't understand at the moment, there's nothing I can do for you.

chiemmanuel:
I am speaking from first hand experience, my extended family are witnesses, so I would not fabricate
One thing is to quote a Bible verse another is to abide by it

OK sir I've heard you.
Just keep Matthew 5:11 in mind anytime you want to accuse/tell lies about disciples of Jesus, okay?

Mentorme:
Are you saying all the laws are now invalid?

After the death of Jesus Christ, the Mosaic Law no longer applied to true Christians — See Romans 7:6, 10:4, Galatians 3:13, Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:13-14. But there are lessons to be learnt from the Law so as to know how God views certain matters.

Mentorme:
Yet. You didn't answer the question

Did you answer mine?
Remain there na

Mentorme:
You are wrong!
Jesus is confirming the Old Testament.
The fornication there means before marriage.
Note: you can't divorce her if you are aware or have slept with her before marriage.

Deuteronomy 22:13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, 22:14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: 22:15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: 22:16 And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her; 22:17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. 22:18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him; 22:19 And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days. 22:20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: 22:21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the LovePeddler in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

Are Christians under the Mosaic law? Yes or No?