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@GRIMMJOE, do you expect me to start dishing out details about my personal life to prove what you said is a lie?
Well I've never reveal details about my personal life on NL no matter hard you try.
Now stay one place and stop shifting your goalposts so your questions can be answered accordingly.

GRIMMJOE:
[s] Then answer

Are you maximus wife, is the man behind that moniker not your husband.[/s]

Stop trying to look for where to pitch your tent! Take your stand and be dealt with accordingly.

GRIMMJOE:
[s]At least o found out you're maximus wife, you're the one that converted him right?[/s]

You are just puzzled that people who haven't met each other in real life have the same line of thought! That's why you'll go on to display your foolishness, e shock you

GRIMMJOE:
[s]It's absurd because your religion is absurd, but why not ask your god for the answer, I feel bad treating maximus wife this way.[/s]


This is the question, how is Jehovah's wittiness as old as the earth, when Jesus restructured it on the first century, except you want to say this world is 2000 years old.


Don'tfallforthebait.

The highlighted is what you should be asking yourself. Since there are gaps in your knowledge regarding the Common Era and the times before the Common Era

Maximus69:
You once accused Rozz as my side chic, then you said she's another Maximus69's moniker, now it's DappaD's turn.
Please how old are you gangan?

He's looking for what he can hinge on since everything he's said on this thread has led him nowhere!

GRIMMJOE:
Avoiding the question are we?

Since Christianity is as old as the earth, how did Jesus restructured the apostles of the first century, this will mean the apostles are as old as the earth, older than Adam and Eve.

Indeed there are gaps in your knowledge. How else would you ask such an absurd question

GRIMMJOE:
I've seen criminals have the same line if thought, no big deal.

Have you ever seen 8.7million people having the same line of thought despite where they live on earth?

GRIMMJOE:
But you both claim Christianity is as old as the earth, was Jesus alive then, and how was he restructuring a group that existed in the first century.

First of all, let's be clear before your questions are answered. What century are you in presently?

GRIMMJOE:
First Jehovah's wittiness is 140 years old, second it is as old as Christianity, 2000 years old, now it's as old as the earth.

This should mean Jesus is as old as the earth, and if he is, you should tell me how he restructured a group that existed in the first century. Adam and Eve didn't even exist then.

Maximus69 come and see o
Laugh want to kill me where I am right now

Maximus69:
He has forgotten what he's advocating, he wants to make people to have independent of thought yet he's battling furiously to carry them along with his own PERSONAL opinion!

I tire for GRIMMJOE honestly

GRIMMJOE:
So you don't know maximus wife, are you not going to call me boy like your husband,

@Rozz DappaD is maximus wife, thought you should know.

Now back to topic, are you saying the age of Jehovah's wittiness is not specified.

Where are you bringing all these assumptions in from?
Are you shocked that people who haven't met each other in real life have the same line of thought?

GRIMMJOE:
Here's the original comment.

That's why I'm asking you now, how old is Jehovah's wittiness. do you also agree it's as old as the earth, then know I'll also ask you how old is the earth.

Lol! You saw in the screenshot you posted where Maximus69 said that in 1919 Jesus restructured the group of true Christians right? So how can Jesus restructure what hasn't existed before? (NOTE: I'm playing with your intelligence here, if you don't get it, your cup of tea)
The congregation of true Christians lost shape after the death of the apostles in the first century and so throughout the earth's history that organized group ceased to exist. There wasn't any organized group of true Christians until 1919, when Jesus reestablished/restructured what was once lost in the first century.

GRIMMJOE:
[s]You're maximus69 wife aren't you, i beginning to be disappointed, but while at it, [/s]can you tell me how old the earth is.

The age of the earth isn't specified oga
It was created long long before Adam and Eve came into existence

GRIMMJOE:
The second post isn't the comparison, check the initial screen shot, there's no Christianity before 1919.

Yes there was no organization practicing true Christianity after the death of the apostles and before 1919. Your point?

Maximus69:
When we tell them there is benefits in worshiping God, they'll say they can't see the benefits!

He's battling bitterly to impress his opinion on others, then after all his ranting, ridicule and mockery he became frustrated saying he will not comment again on the thread but ever since then he's been commenting, arguing and insulting on the same thread that he once vowed never to return!

One would look at the young man and begin to have pity for him

GRIMMJOE:
I see frustration has begin making you double post.

Do you agree you God has limit.

Oga why are you yourself shifting goalposts? Stay one place na
Please how does what I said and what Maximus69 said differ in any way?

DappaD:
Shortly after the death of the apostles and prior to 1919, there was no visible and organized group of true Christians practising true Christianity.

Maximus69:
there was no organized group practicing true Christianity from the second century until 1919!

Because your intent was to form a disparity which did not exist. I think you've finally roped yourself in on that one.

GRIMMJOE:
How old is Jehovah's wittiness.

Lol! You're so unintelligent I presume. Coming from someone who said Maximus69 is shifting goal posts.
Please how does what I said and what Maximus69 said differ in any way?

DappaD:
Shortly after the death of the apostles and prior to 1919, there was no visible and organized group of true Christians practising true Christianity.

Maximus69:
there was no organized group practicing true Christianity from the second century until 1919!

Please tell me. Before you try acting smart.

GRIMMJOE:
How old is Jehovah's wittiness.

Lol! You're so unintelligent I presume. Coming from someone who said Maximus69 is shifting goal posts.
Please how does what I said and what Maximus69 said differ in any way?

DappaD:
Shortly after the death of the apostles and prior to 1919, there was no visible and organized group of true Christians practising true Christianity.

Maximus69:
there was no organized group practicing true Christianity from the second century until 1919!

Tell me. Before you try acting smart.

GRIMMJOE:
[s]What you just wrote disagrees with maximus69.

DappaD
There was Christianity before 19th century.

Maximus69
There was no Christianity before the 19th century.

You guys can't even agree with each other, same religion domination for that matter, smh.[/s]

As usual lol, you'll come with your malicious lies

DappaD:
Shortly after the death of the apostles and prior to 1919, there was no visible and organized group of true Christians practising true Christianity.

Maximus69:
there was no organized group practicing true Christianity from the second century until 1919!

How does what I said and what Maximus69 said differ in anyway?

GRIMMJOE:
[s]What you just wrote disagrees with maximus69.

DappaD
There was Christianity before 19th century.

Maximus69
There was no Christianity before the 19th century.

You guys can't even agree with each other, same religion domination for that matter, smh.[/s]

Lol we are on the same page
You're looking for what to use and talk

achorladey:
DappaD: You quite understood what I meant by past beliefs but you want to twist it now.

Achorladey: Oga how many times did I address that past belief of a THING. Oh you have forgotten Paul scenario so quickly.

DappaD: Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43, 49:

Achorladey: Parable of WHEATS and WEEDS very good. Now from the history you wrote up there, from where did RUSSSEL came from? Who were the associates of RUSSELL and where did they come from?

A. Wheats B. Weeds

Who baptized RUSSELL and his associates? A. Weeds B. Wheats.


DappaD: Even so, through the ages, genuine Christians​ individually or in groups, ​no doubt did their best to adhere to Christ's teachings. But they no longer made up a clearly identifiable, visible body, or organization.

Achorladey: Can you please mention the GROUPS or individuals under consideration here?

DappaD: They were certainly not identical with the visible apostate religious system that throughout history brought nothing but disgrace and dishonor to the name of Jesus Christ

Achorladey: Can you tell me just one believe of RUSSELL that was Identifiable with APOSTATE religious system. I only need one. Please THINK carefully. Many things hang on that BELIEVE.

DappaD: But the situation was not to remain like that forever, because Jesus said at Matthew 13:30 that both the wheat and the weed would grow together until the “harvest season”. Jesus said the harvest season was the “conclusion of system of things” or the last days.

Achorladey: In reality there were TRUE CHRISTIANS and TRUE CHRISTIANITY before RUSSELL in the years +/-100C.E till the birth of RUSSELL. Very good.

First inform your brother Maximus69 about that.

Second tell us the TRUE Christian(WHEAT) that taught RUSSELL what he knows back then and made him reject teaching of FALSE CHRISTIANS(WEEDS).

DappaD: Shortly after the beginning of the last days, in 1919, the separation took place as the true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) were separated from the false Christians.

Achorladey: How was the separation done?

DappaD: The false Christians as long as all the rest of Babylon the Great will be completely destroyed or symbolically “burned with fire” at the Great Tribulation.

Achorladey: when you tell us who baptized the individuals or groups that were associates of RUSSELL and RUSSELL himself. We will know who get burnt in the FIRE.

At 18, Charles Taze Russell when he came of mature age questioned the doctrines because they weren't scriptural and then he formed a Bible study class.
So Russell was never at any point an advocate for false worship because when he came of a thinking and mature age, he had rejected the false doctrines already.
So Russell and his associates are identified among the “wheat” in Jesus' illustration. Since they were the ones who restored pure worship.

Shortly after the death of the apostles and prior to 1919, there was no visible and organized group of true Christians practising true Christianity.

achorladey:
The likes dey disturb your response ni? that make you call them DEBASED IDIOTS. SMH

Why would it disturb me? This isn't even my first moniker on NL
I can easily go back and login my previous monikers and begin liking all my posts too
I've already answered your questions but in a bid to look sharp before the ones supporting you, you'll keep asking those questions again.

achorladey:
DappaD: You quite understood what I meant by past beliefs but you want to twist it now.

Achorladey: Oga how many times did I address that past belief of a THING. Oh you have forgotten Paul scenario so quickly.

DappaD: Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43, 49:

Achorladey: Parable of WHEATS and WEEDS very good. Now from the history you wrote up there, from where did RUSSSEL came from? Who were the associates of RUSSELL and where did they come from?

A. Wheats B. Weeds

Who baptized RUSSELL and his associates? A. Weeds B. Wheats.


DappaD: Even so, through the ages, genuine Christians​ individually or in groups, ​no doubt did their best to adhere to Christ's teachings. But they no longer made up a clearly identifiable, visible body, or organization.

Achorladey: Can you please mention the GROUPS or individuals under consideration here?

DappaD: They were certainly not identical with the visible apostate religious system that throughout history brought nothing but disgrace and dishonor to the name of Jesus Christ

Achorladey: Can you tell me just one believe of RUSSELL that was Identifiable with APOSTATE religious system. I only need one. Please THINK carefully. Many things hang on that BELIEVE.

DappaD: But the situation was not to remain like that forever, because Jesus said at Matthew 13:30 that both the wheat and the weed would grow together until the “harvest season”. Jesus said the harvest season was the “conclusion of system of things” or the last days.

Achorladey: In reality there were TRUE CHRISTIANS and TRUE CHRISTIANITY before RUSSELL in the years +/-100C.E till the birth of RUSSELL. Very good.

First inform your brother Maximus69 about that.

Second tell us the TRUE Christian(WHEAT) that taught RUSSELL what he knows back then and made him reject teaching of FALSE CHRISTIANS(WEEDS).

DappaD: Shortly after the beginning of the last days, in 1919, the separation took place as the true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) were separated from the false Christians.

Achorladey: How was the separation done?

DappaD: The false Christians as long as all the rest of Babylon the Great will be completely destroyed or symbolically “burned with fire” at the Great Tribulation.

Achorladey: when you tell us who baptized the individuals or groups that were associates of RUSSELL and RUSSELL himself. We will know who get burnt in the FIRE.

You're asking questions like a child.
Like I said I'm sure you weren't even a publisher
Maybe a Bible student who became uninterested

achorladey:
DappaD: You quite understood what I meant by past beliefs but you want to twist it now.

Achorladey: Oga how many times did I address that past belief of a THING. Oh you have forgotten Paul scenario so quickly.

DappaD: Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43, 49:

Achorladey: Parable of WHEATS and WEEDS very good. Now from the history you wrote up there, from where did RUSSSEL came from? Who were the associates of RUSSELL and where did they come from?

A. Wheats B. Weeds

Who baptized RUSSELL and his associates? A. Weeds B. Wheats.


DappaD: Even so, through the ages, genuine Christians​ individually or in groups, ​no doubt did their best to adhere to Christ's teachings. But they no longer made up a clearly identifiable, visible body, or organization.

Achorladey: Can you please mention the GROUPS or individuals under consideration here?

DappaD: They were certainly not identical with the visible apostate religious system that throughout history brought nothing but disgrace and dishonor to the name of Jesus Christ

Achorladey: Can you tell me just one believe of RUSSELL that was Identifiable with APOSTATE religious system. I only need one. Please THINK carefully. Many things hang on that BELIEVE.

DappaD: But the situation was not to remain like that forever, because Jesus said at Matthew 13:30 that both the wheat and the weed would grow together until the “harvest season”. Jesus said the harvest season was the “conclusion of system of things” or the last days.

Achorladey: In reality there were TRUE CHRISTIANS and TRUE CHRISTIANITY before RUSSELL in the years +/-100C.E till the birth of RUSSELL. Very good.

First inform your brother Maximus69 about that.

Second tell us the TRUE Christian(WHEAT) that taught RUSSELL what he knows back then and made him reject teaching of FALSE CHRISTIANS(WEEDS).

DappaD: Shortly after the beginning of the last days, in 1919, the separation took place as the true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) were separated from the false Christians.

Achorladey: How was the separation done?

DappaD: The false Christians as long as all the rest of Babylon the Great will be completely destroyed or symbolically “burned with fire” at the Great Tribulation.

Achorladey: when you tell us who baptized the individuals or groups that were associates of RUSSELL and RUSSELL himself. We will know who get burnt in the FIRE.

Since you can't even provide a structured rebuttal for what I've said, that would be the end of our discussion

Maximus69:
There was nothing like Christianity throughout the earth before 1919 when Jesus restructured his group and commissioned them once again to continue the preaching and teaching work they were doing in the first century!

Charles Taze Russell and his group did all they could to find out how Jesus established Christianity, himself and many in his time did so many things to get it right but it was in 1919 that Jesus in the spirit reorganized those who were willing to take corrections and began leading them in the work he started before Satan halted it after the death of his Apostles.

So those who came to Africa were politicians not Christians Sir!

In essence what Maximus69 is saying, is that within the time period from the death of the apostles in the first century to 1919, there was no organized group of true Christians on this earth.

achorladey:
Philippians 3:
3 For it is we who are the circumcision, we who serve God by his Spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh— 4 though I myself have reasons for such confidence.

If someone else thinks they have reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5 circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; 6 as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for righteousness based on the law, faultless.

7 But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. 8 What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ.

Why was Paul referring to his past here in his TEACHING since he has ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH? Does it matter indeed?


Note this is what history means......... History is an account of what actually happened in the past which has a link to what is happening at present and can help in planning or projecting for the future.

In other words, history is about yesterday, today and tomorrow.

Funny how some debased idiots would be here liking your posts - things they themselves don't even understand It is well

achorladey:
DappaD: Why do their past beliefs matter?

Achorladey: How did Peter started his preaching work on the day of Pentecost if past believe DON'T matter?

DappaD: After one becomes a Jehovah's Witness, does anyone keep bringing up his past beliefs

Achorladey: Do JWS bring up their past beliefs for adjustment, readjustment and the light becoming brighter or not? If it doesn't matter indeed.

DappaD: You, young man are looking for holes where there aren't any.

Achorladey: I thought you understand the parable well well. Now it is hole you are talking about. Didn't I ask you are you sure you are among the WHEATS according to the teaching of the ORGANIZATION you belong?

@achorladey
You quite understood what I meant by past beliefs but you want to twist it now.
Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43, 49:
Jesus himself interpreted the illustration.
The sower is the Son of man, Jesus Christ.
The fine seed are the “sons of the Kingdom” Matthew 13:38
Jesus began to sow the fine seed from Pentecost 33CE when holy spirit was poured out on the disciples, thereby anointing them as God's sons. (Acts 2:33). The fine seed developed into mature wheat as the Christian congregation in the first century grew and took shape. The fine seed was sown so as to gather the number of those who would rule with Jesus in God's Kingdom.
The wheat would bring forth the anointed Christians who will rule as kings with Christ for the 1000 years. Only those who are anointed and have the seal of God on their foreheads and who are the firstfruits will go to heaven to rule as kings and they number a total of 144,000 (2Corinthians 1:22,
James 1:18, Revelation 5:9-10, 7:3-4, 14:1-5)

At Matthew 13:25, Jesus said “while men were sleeping” That is, when the apostles fell asleep in death, the enemy(Satan the Devil) came and oversowed “weeds” in among with wheat and left. Following the death of the apostles, false teachers came into the scene and from then on, a counterfeit form of Christianity was formed. (Acts 20:29,30).These set of people who claim to be Christians are referred to the “weeds” in Jesus' illustration. It is this counterfeit Christianity (starting from the Catholics) which sprung up that bears responsibility for all the spiritual darkness and unjust/violent killings that enveloped Christendom in the Middle Ages.

But the situation was not to remain like that forever, because Jesus said at Matthew 13:30 that both the wheat and the weed would grow together until the “harvest season”. Jesus said the harvest season was the “conclusion of system of things” or the last days (Matthew 13:39)

The people who listened to Jesus knew how difficult it was to tell genuine wheat from weeds. So Jesus was illustrating that for a while, it would be difficult to distinguish true Christians from the counterfeit variety. This does not mean that the Christian congregation ceased to exist, for Jesus promised to continue to guide his spiritual brothers “all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” (Matthew 28:20) Jesus said that the wheat would continue to grow. Even so, through the ages, genuine Christians​ individually or in groups, ​no doubt did their best to adhere to Christ's teachings. But they no longer made up a clearly identifiable, visible body, or organization. They were certainly not identical with the visible apostate religious system that throughout history brought nothing but disgrace and dishonor to the name of Jesus Christ.​ 2 Peter 2:1, 2.
In that harvest season, the wheat would be separated from the weeds and then the weeds would be burned in fire. (Matthew 13:30, 40)
Shortly after the beginning of the last days, in 1919, the separation took place as the true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) were separated from the false Christians. The final outcome for the “weeds” is that they would be burned in fire. Which means that symbolically, they are headed right for eternal destruction since they are already condemned for destruction. (Revelations 20:14, 21:8 ). The false Christians as well as all the rest of Babylon the Great will be completely destroyed or symbolically “burned with fire” at the Great Tribulation (Daniel 12:1, Matthew 24:21, Revelations 17:5-6, 18:4-8, 23)

achorladey:
I thought you understand the whole parable in and you brought an example of Paul that did not fit into the whole scenario. Was Paul a FALSE CHRISTIAN (WEEDS) ni?

I am saying that a person's past doesn't matter when he has come to an accurate knowledge of the truth.

achorladey:
Who were his associates and from where did they all including RUSSELL COME FROM? A. WEEDS B. WHEATS.

You said they REJECTED unscriptural doctrines. Interesting! What was their beliefs before REJECTION started who baptized all of this associate including RUSSELL?

Since you want to hinge on the matter, before Paul became a follower of Jesus Christ, you know he was a persecutor of God's true people. After he was changed, what did his ministry have to do with his past?

achorladey:
Who were his associates and from where did they all including RUSSELL COME FROM? A. WEEDS B. WHEATS.

You said they REJECTED unscriptural doctrines. Interesting! What was their beliefs before REJECTION started who baptized all of this associate including RUSSELL?

Why do their past beliefs matter? After one becomes a Jehovah's Witness, does anyone keep bringing up his past beliefs?
You, young man are looking for holes where there aren't any.

achorladey:
For your mind I did not understand it abi? . At least you know today that RUSSELL na WEED before conversion to WHEAT. You understand that one?

You even sure sey you dey among the WHEATS as a JW in line with wetin dem the leaders of the ORGANIZATION teach you?

I hope you know the “weeds” in Jesus' illustration stand for false and pretense Christians?
Charles Taze Russel and his associates, who were ardent students of the Bible rejected the false and unscriptural doctrines of the churches then and studied the Bible to get the true understanding of Bible's original and pure teachings. So since the ‘weeds’ in Jesus' illustration refer to false Christians, how are CT Russel and his associates now the ‘weeds’ ?

achorladey:
For your mind I did not understand it abi? . At least you know today that RUSSELL na WEED before conversion to WHEAT. You understand that one?

You even sure sey you dey among the WHEATS as a JW in line with wetin dem the leaders of the ORGANIZATION teach you?

No you did not understand it. So you'll keep speaking ignorant of it