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solite3:
Jehovah witness confusion,

they always diverse from issues to straws.

can any Jehovah witness point out a verse that says Jesus is Angel michael?
at least Trinitarians can show you verses that show that Jesus is God.
Johnn1vv1
Janosky, peacefullove, Maximus, Dappa, Rozz etc oya show a verse that says that Jesus is Angel Michael.

Seems you joined this thread a bit late. Go back to pages 25-28 and read through. We've passed that, for now.

XXXXTENTACION:
hmn you are a jehovah witness right

Yes I'm proudly a Jehovah's Witness. (Isaiah 43:10)

XXXXTENTACION:
So in literal terms you are saying hell fire does not exist

YES!

XXXXTENTACION:
technically every single human being have in one way or the other committed sin against god logically everyone is going to hell fire

I agree with you on the bolded!
Everyone being born of the first man Adam are sinners. When Adam sinned, he passed sin and death to all his offspring including all of us today. (Romans 5:12)
If we say we have no sin, then we are lying to ourselves (1John 1:8 )
To repair that damage caused by Adam, God sent his Son Jesus to give his perfect life as an exchange for ours (Matthew 20:28, Colossians 1:13,14, 1Timothy 2:5,6)
But only when we exercise faith in the sacrifice that Jesus made and ask for forgiveness so our sins can be truly forgiven, can we truly be cleansed from sin. (John 3:16, 1John 1:9)

joseph1013:
HOW WE KNOW GOD IS NOT REAL

If there was an omniscient and omnipotent god who:

1. Created the universe for us,
2. Wants us to know him and love him,
3. Loves us all more than we can imagine,
4. Can talk to every one of us individually,
5. Watches all of us every second and monitors every thought we ever have,
6. Responds to requests for help and can change anything in the world he wants to,
7. Is horrified at what will happen to us if we don't acknowledge and love him...

then this god would be the most important thing in our lives, and in the life of every human who ever lived. This god would be ubiquitous, salient and unavoidable.

But this is not how things are. There has been an avalanche of gods who have appeared at different times in human history and have featured in different holy books and given us different rules for eating, dressing, cutting our hair (and Instruments), for treating our fellow humans and much more. These gods have different ideas about how the world was made, what happens to us when we die and what we must do to please them. These discordant gods have looked like humans or animals or heavenly bodies and have even been invisible.

It is very obvious that the world is exactly how we should expect it to be if men invented gods and instructed their children to believe they are real. And it is nothing like how it would be if there really was one omniscient, omnipotent and loving God who created us and oversees our world.

There is only one reasonable conclusion we can draw from this. Men invent gods, submit themselves to them and believe they are real. There may be a god, but it cannot be the omniscient God described above--that god must be a figment of human imagination.

There is only one true God, Jehovah who made the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1, Jeremiah 32:17)
All other gods are worthless so they shouldn't even be spoken of (Psalm 96:5)
For example, how many of those other man-made gods have been able to predict the future and interpret a prophecy? NONE.
The Bible which is God's Word to humans is inspired of his holy spirit (2Timothy 3:16, 2Peter 1:20-21) has kept a clean record of prophesying the future and interpreted most of it. Something that none of the other worthless man-made gods can never do.

For example, you say other religions have their own gods and claim to have the truth right?

Below are some of the prophesies that have been foretold by God in times past:

1. The Great Deluge (The Flood) :
The great flood which came upon the whole earth and destroyed every living thing except 8 people (Genesis 6:11-21, 1Peter 3:20)
The faithful man Noah was given divine warning of things that he had not seen yet and he acted on it and saved his life and that of his family. (Hebrews 11:7)
The account in the Bible even goes further to give the type of wood and measurements of the ark that carried Noah and his family.
Genesis 6:15
“This is how you will make it: The ark should be 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high.”
After the Flood, the ark “came to rest on the mountains of Ararat” (Genesis 8:4). Ararat is located somewhere in Turkey/Armenia , it's a real place.

Archaeological evidence and findings have proven that the ark was real. Archaeologists even found remains of the long decayed ark in the mountainous regions of Ararat. And when they took measurements, it tallied with the measurements found in the Bible (Genesis 6:15)


2. The fall of ancient Babylon to the Medo Persians (Isaiah 13:19) . Isaiah was commissioned by God to prophesy about the fall of Babylon. He even described further how the city would be overthrown and gave the name of the person who would overthrow Babylon - Cyrus the Great. Someone who wasn't even born at the time (Isaiah 44:27 - 45:2)
Some 200 years later after that prophesy was made, Babylon was overthrown by the Medo Persians and who was leading the attack? None other than Cyrus the Great.
Check your history books and all the archaeological findings, you'll see that this actually happened.

3. Yet another prophesy concerning the kingdom of Greece, the Bible gave an accurate prophesy of what would happen immediately after Alexander the Great fell as King of Greece.

Daniel 8:20-22 reads:
“The two-horned ram that you saw stands for the kings of Meʹdi·a and Persia. The hairy male goat stands for the king of Greece; and the great horn that was between its eyes stands for the first king. As for the horn that was broken, so that four stood up instead of it, there are four kingdoms from his nation that will stand up, but not with his power.”

. And true to the word of God, it did happen as the Kingdom of Greece was divided into four, the four generals of those new kingdoms being Cassander, Ptolemy, Lysimachus and Seleucus.
These things did happen. Confirm with all your history books and archaeological findings.

Maximus69:
He is not Omnipotent nor is he omniscient!

Brother Max please edit

DappaD:
I don't really blame you dumb trinitarians! Really I don't!
I blame your churches and religious groups that have chosen to adhere to ancient Babylonian doctrines and practices that started right after the construction of the Tower of Babel.
Check you'll see, all the beliefs and traditions you guys hold dear today all have roots in the false and pagan traditions of ancient Babylon.

1. Trinity - the people of ancient Babylon believed in a triune/triad of gods while Jehovah's people believed and worshiped only ONE TRUE GOD (Deuteronomy 6:4)

2. Immortality of the soul - the people of ancient Babylon believed that the human soul survives death. People carried such teachings to go and establish their own religions in other parts of the world, meanwhile the Bible clearly teaches that man is mortal and when he dies, he returns to dust (Genesis 3:19, Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10 , Ezekiel 18:4)

3. Spiritism which includes communicating with the dead, casting of spells etc
Among other practises in ancient Babylon, divination and sorcery were prominent facets. Today you can see people who claim to serve God consulting “Babalawo” to heal them after they claim they “prayed to God”.
Likely even, since the churches claim to have power to heal the sick and perform miracles and we know such power is not from God since the gifts of the holy spirit were done away with in the first century (1Corinthians 13:8 ) . Then it is very possible that so called pastors and healers consult other means to heal and perform miracles for their members, which will include spiritism.

The Bible clearly stated at Deuteronomy 18:9-11,

“When you have entered into the land that Jehovah your God is giving you, you must not learn to imitate the detestable practices of those nations.  There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead.”
So what will a supposed Christian be doing consulting native doctors and still say it's God that healed him?

4. Use of images in worship
The people of ancient Babylon did use images in worship as is confirmed at Daniel 3:1-3.
Today, we see people making images of crosses and of their “Mary the mother of God” and using such in worship. In other churches and religious groups too, you find people using stickers and pictures of their religious fathers in worship as well and hoping that such will protect them from harm.


While God's true worshipers will know that we worship Jehovah God alone and no one else.(Exodus 20:4-5, Deuteronomy 6:13-15)

There are several other false beliefs but I've named just a few

My point is, you and all the rest of your trinity cohorts have this conditioned mind. So it doesn't surprise true worshipers of God when you lot keep defending worthless beliefs and traditions.

DrLiveLogic please read the above and see where all your beliefs were derived from.
Whether you like it or not, the truth about Jehovah God is absolute. Your opinions DO NOT matter.

Maximus69:
Jesus was called the last Adam {1Corinthians 15:45} does that makes Jehovah Adam?

You want to confuse Pastor Live now

He won't know where to start from again

Maximus69:
Are you still playing with those clowns?

Well i'm presently in my friend's Office for a deal so i can only respond, if they come up with something tangible regarding their TRINITY Dogheads!

Actually I'm tired of all of them.

I don't really blame you dumb trinitarians! Really I don't!
I blame your churches and religious groups that have chosen to adhere to ancient Babylonian doctrines and practices that started right after the construction of the Tower of Babel.
Check you'll see, all the beliefs and traditions you guys hold dear today all have roots in the false and pagan traditions of ancient Babylon.

1. Trinity - the people of ancient Babylon believed in a triune/triad of gods while Jehovah's people believed and worshiped only ONE TRUE GOD (Deuteronomy 6:4)

2. Immortality of the soul - the people of ancient Babylon believed that the human soul survives death. People carried such teachings to go and establish their own religions in other parts of the world, meanwhile the Bible clearly teaches that man is mortal and when he dies, he returns to dust (Genesis 3:19, Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10 , Ezekiel 18:4)

3. Spiritism which includes communicating with the dead, casting of spells etc
Among other practises in ancient Babylon, divination and sorcery were prominent facets. Today you can see people who claim to serve God consulting “Babalawo” to heal them after they claim they “prayed to God”.
Likely even, since the churches claim to have power to heal the sick and perform miracles and we know such power is not from God since the gifts of the holy spirit were done away with in the first century (1Corinthians 13:8 ) . Then it is very possible that so called pastors and healers consult other means to heal and perform miracles for their members, which will include spiritism.

The Bible clearly stated at Deuteronomy 18:9-11,

“When you have entered into the land that Jehovah your God is giving you, you must not learn to imitate the detestable practices of those nations.  There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead.”
So what will a supposed Christian be doing consulting native doctors and still say it's God that healed him?

4. Use of images in worship
The people of ancient Babylon did use images in worship as is confirmed at Daniel 3:1-3.
Today, we see people making images of crosses and of their “Mary the mother of God” and using such in worship. In other churches and religious groups too, you find people using stickers and pictures of their religious fathers in worship as well and hoping that such will protect them from harm.


While God's true worshipers will know that we worship Jehovah God alone and no one else.(Exodus 20:4-5, Deuteronomy 6:13-15)

There are several other false beliefs but I've named just a few

My point is, you and all the rest of your trinity cohorts have this conditioned mind. So it doesn't surprise true worshipers of God when you lot keep defending worthless beliefs and traditions.

DrLiveLogic:
Bwahahaha!
Oga, stop telling stories and diverting. Go back and answer my three questions. LMAO.

***I'm going to continue presenting these questions all together until any of you can attack them all together. I'm not here for rigmaroles. If you can't attack them all together, then Jesus is one Being with YAHWEH

1.) Even if creatures share any titles Can any creature have the number First (before existence) and Last (after all existence is dissolved) at the same time? Please tell us which.


Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him

Rev 11:16-18 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2.) Now with all the above, can any creature be worshipped besides God as Jesus was worshipped by the angels and all the elders fall on their faces and worship Jesus, the judge of the dead and living, even calling Him Almighty.?


3.) Does any creature have the single sovereign throne belonging to both Father and Lamb in one Being from which the river of life flows?
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and the Lamb.

*** If you need help with the answers, refer to my thesis and attack it

I already said I'm not answering your stupid questions because you don't even know the scriptures you're quoting.

solite3:
yes of course, he limited himself to his human nature but his disciples and others could still see his divinity.

.
But the same Bible said no man has seen God at any time (John 1:18)
But people saw Jesus and said he was the Son of the true God (Matthew 16:16, John 20:31)

So should we believe what the Bible says is the truth or what you say is the truth?

DrLiveLogic:
Yes he didn't. Let me clarify that. He gave up his privileges of Omnipotence is what I mean while retaining His nature/character as God.
Thnx.

No, stay in your lane and use your own narrative
Stop jumping here and there.
Do you know that even saying things like God and Jesus are the same person can get you into trouble?
For the Bible to clearly say that Jesus is the Son of God and then you come to say he's the same person means you're heading towards your own destruction!
(Matthew 16:16, John 20:31)
Accurate knowledge of who Jehovah God is and who Jesus Christ is, is very necessary for everlasting life (John 17:3)
You trinitarian lot keep condemning yourselves to destruction because you choose to hold on to useless church doctrines and traditions that have no basis in the Bible.

solite3:
Jesus didn't abandon his God head but rather he took up the human nature
in addition, Hence he was 100% God and 100% man.

Jesus possesses the qualities of Almighty God and the qualities of man.

The union of the two natures is called the hypostatic union.

[s]Jesus was both less than God and equal to God.[/s]
He was less than God because of his human nature but equal to God in his divine nature.

DrLiveLogic and solite3 please agree on one thing let's take you both serious!

DrLiveLogic:
LMAO. Bwahahaha! A defeated for running from the battlefield is trying to save face. How lame!
Aiit. Let's make a simple deal. I'll answer you directly and then you'll answer my three innocent questions directly too, okay! Good.

Jesus was not lying. He was telling the truth.
[s]Having abandoned His Godhead he had in the beginning, he became less than the Father and had limitations.[/s] Kapish!


Now, your turn. Don't be scared, this will only do you good.

Let's go back to Beginning and Ending. Follow to me Apocalypse and answer these three questions altogether. They must have unanimous answer, don't forget.
Now people watch another diversionary tactics loading. LMAO.

****I'm going to continue presenting these questions all together until any of you can attack them all together. I'm not here for rigmaroles. If you can't attack them all together, then Jesus is one Being with YAHWEH

1.) Even if creatures share any titles Can any creature have the number First (before existence) and Last (after all existence is dissolved) at the same time? Please tell us which.


Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him

Rev 11:16-18 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2.) Now with all the above, can any creature be worshipped besides God as Jesus was worshipped by the angels and all the elders fall on their faces and worship Jesus, the judge of the dead and living, even calling Him Almighty.?


3.) Does any creature have the single sovereign throne belonging to both Father and Lamb in one Being from which the river of life flows?
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and the Lamb.

If you need help with the answers, refer to my thesis and attack it

Yes solite3, I'm suspecting that Rozz is not interested in this answer. I've even asked Rozz to answer my question on the 3 states of water, but she doesn't. Only keeps looking around the thread. Is Rozz somebody's mole


Diversionary tactics won't work here sister. No time for chit-chat. Only weapons of knowledge work on this battlefield. Now go back and answer my three questions.




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Thank you for admitting that.
So since you said Jesus is God, and that he is omnipresent, why will he be limited on earth? Does that make sense to you?

You're the one that said he's the same everywhere oo and now you're the same person saying he's limited.

Young man stop acting childish, if you can't articulate your argument properly then there shouldn't even be a hearing to your supposed claims.

There's actually no difference between DrLiveLogic and johnw47
Both misinformed churchgoers and self-acclaimed “Bible scholars”
Always recycling scriptures that don't agree with their line of thought.

DrLiveLogic:
Bwahahaha! DappaD who denied that God is Omnipresent has spoken again. It's becoming obvious to everyone that all the JWs here will avoid the three simple questions.
Then they will divert to when Jesus became a man and less than the Father.
The simple way to know if Jesus and the Father are equally God is to go back to the beginning and also go to end. Leave out what he did in created existence and go to before and after existence, First and Last.
I have taken you to the end in Apocalypse and you're all running away.

Come back and answer these questions. It's for your own good. Lol.



*** I'm going to continue presenting these questions all together until any of you can attack them all together. I'm not here for rigmaroles. If you can't attack them all together, then Jesus is one Being with YAHWEH

1.) Even if creatures share any titles Can any creature have the number First (before existence) and Last (after all existence is dissolved) at the same time? Please tell us which.


Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him

Rev 11:16-18 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2.) Now with all the above, can any creature be worshipped besides God as Jesus was worshipped by the angels and all the elders fall on their faces and worship Jesus, the judge of the dead and living, even calling Him Almighty.?


3.) Does any creature have the single sovereign throne belonging to both Father and Lamb in one Being from which the river of life flows?
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and the Lamb.

If you need help with the answers, refer to my thesis and attack it





Cc: johnw47, achorladey, Rozz, Maximus69, TATIME, Janosky, Peacefullove, haywizzy007, Acehart, solite3, KNOWMORE56, hoopernikao, DappaD, Peacefullove

Answer me YES or NO. Everyone on this thread that can bear me witness that it is a very simple question.

DrLiveLogic:
Bwahahaha! DappaD who denied that God is Omnipresent has spoken again. It's becoming obvious to everyone that all the JWs here will avoid the three simple questions.
Then they will divert to when Jesus became a man and less than the Father.
The simple way to know if Jesus and the Father are equally God is to go back to the beginning and also go to end. Leave out what he did in created existence and go to before and after existence, First and Last.
I have taken you to the end in Apocalypse and you're all running away.

Come back and answer these questions. It's for your own good. Lol.



*** I'm going to continue presenting these questions all together until any of you can attack them all together. I'm not here for rigmaroles. If you can't attack them all together, then Jesus is one Being with YAHWEH

1.) Even if creatures share any titles Can any creature have the number First (before existence) and Last (after all existence is dissolved) at the same time? Please tell us which.


Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him

Rev 11:16-18 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2.) Now with all the above, can any creature be worshipped besides God as Jesus was worshipped by the angels and all the elders fall on their faces and worship Jesus, the judge of the dead and living, even calling Him Almighty.?


3.) Does any creature have the single sovereign throne belonging to both Father and Lamb in one Being from which the river of life flows?
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and the Lamb.

If you need help with the answers, refer to my thesis and attack it





Cc: johnw47, achorladey, Rozz, Maximus69, TATIME, Janosky, Peacefullove, haywizzy007, Acehart, solite3, KNOWMORE56, hoopernikao, DappaD, Peacefullove

You've not answered my own question, which is straight and direct.

Was Jesus lying to his disciples at Matthew 24:36?

“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” ?

Was Jesus also lying when he said God is greater than he is? John 14:28 ?

And please stop copying and pasting these scriptures like you even understand any of them. Thank you.

DrLiveLogic:
You JWs have nothing in your arsenal but simple delusions. Why do you keep bringing up scriptures of when Jesus was on earth and limited as a servant, when he chose to become less than the Father?
LMAO.
Why running away from the end of time where He is called Almighty, YAHWEH's title?
Quit with all your avoidance tactics and attack my questions altogether. LMAO.

I'm going to continue presenting these questions all together until any of you can attack them all together. I'm not here for rigmaroles. If you can't attack them all together, then Jesus is one Being with YAHWEH

1.) Even if creatures share any titles Can any creature have the number First (before existence) and Last (after all existence is dissolved) at the same time? Please tell us which.


Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him

Rev 11:16-18 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2.) Now with all the above, can any creature be worshipped besides God as Jesus was worshipped by the angels and all the elders fall on their faces and worship Jesus, the judge of the dead and living, even calling Him Almighty.?


3.) Does any creature have the single sovereign throne belonging to both Father and Lamb in one Being from which the river of life flows?
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and the Lamb.

If you need help with the answers, refer to my thesis and attack it



bwahahaha! scaredy cats looking for diversion. Face me and stop trying to group people together.

It's so easy to know when people have no knowledge. Why not face me one on one and attack the simple three questions above or are they too hard for you. LMAO
Answer my question on water and the three states then I will show you how one Being can exists in three different states as if each state is a distinct individual. But first, answer my three questions. LMAO






Rozz I have not seen your answer to my question on water and it's three states. Forget all these diversions these people are trying to come up with. Your answer will make you understand the Godhead.

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Another load of garbage that I won't bother to read.

Pastor DrLiveLogic,

When Jesus' disciples asked him for the sign of his presence and when the end would come at Matthew 24, are you saying Jesus was lying to his disciples? Please tell me let me know!

Matthew 24:36

“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.”

Since in your narrative, Jesus and God are the same person, then that means Jesus was lying to his disciples?

This one shock me

Maximus69:
I wonder o!

Which one do they expect us to take now?

Is it that Jesus is the same person as Jehovah~ DrLiveLogic

Or

Jesus and Jehovah are not the same person~ Solite3

Rozz what did your own Pastor say on the matter jare!

Rozz can see that from all that's been played out here, they have no strong basis for their arguments.

solite3:
You just go all out like attack dog against what you don't even understand,
trinity never said Jesus and the father are same person.

solite3:
solite agree with Dr live that Jesus and Yahweh is one being.

He has hurriedly agreed with Pastor Dr Live that they are the same being
Oga solite stick to your own narrative let someone take you serious haba

DrLiveLogic:
Thank you very much DappaD. You have put the nail to the coffin. Indeed only YAHWEH is Almighty.
And we can see here that the Almighty is one with the judge of the dead and the living, Jesus Christ, who the elders worship.

Rev 11:16-18 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Thank you DappaD for your help. Please preach to your brothers too. LMAO.


[s]Maximus69, stop trying to create confusion between me and solite3. I cannot lose my focus, go back and attack my questions or excuse from the thread.[/s]
If water, a single substance, can exist in three states viz. Ice, liquid water and steam, is it too hard for the Creator of water to be one Being(substance) manifesting His three states at the same time and is it too hard for Him to also manifest these three states one at a time?

Rozz, you also should answer this question about water. I want to know if you are understanding.


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Noo
Resolve the issue first with your fellow trinitarian before we can even think of listening to the garbage you're uttering.

DrLiveLogic:
Thank you very much DappaD. You have put the nail to the coffin. Indeed only YAHWEH is Almighty.
And we can see here that the Almighty is one with the judge of the dead and the living, Jesus Christ, who the elders worship.

Rev 11:16-18 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Thank you DappaD for your help. Please preach to your brothers too. LMAO.


Maximus69, stop trying to create confusion between me and solite3. I cannot lose my focus, go back and attack my questions or excuse from the thread.
If water, a single substance, can exist in three states viz. Ice, liquid water and steam, is it too hard for the Creator of water to be one Being(substance) manifesting His three states at the same time and is it too hard for Him to also manifest these three states one at a time?

Rozz, you also should answer this question about water. I want to know if you are understanding.


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John 5:22-23
For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son, so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him
This includes the authority Jesus was granted by God (Matthew 28:18)

It's like you need to visit a psychiatric hospital, one can clearly see how insane you've become

Maximus69:
The truth will speak with one mind as in the same definition not contradicting opinions.

According to DrLiveLogic's analogy TRINITY means Jesus and Jehovah is the same person.

According to Solite3's analogy, TRINITY doesn't mean Jesus and Jehovah are the same person.

Yet the both of them wants JWs to agree that they're saying the truth!

If the so-called trinitarians can't even agree on their subject of trinity, why should people even be listening to them?

Rozz:
Both have Bible quotes supporting their claims

They presented their own interpretations and opinions of those Bible scriptures!
Mind you, the Bible is not just some generic book. The truth found in it is ABSOLUTE
Different opinions do not matter as regards to the Bible. Since it can only mean one thing.

Rozz:
both parties have proven to be right, how do we know the real truth

The real TRUTH is always in line with what the Bible says and not mere opinions of people.

Peacefullove:
The issue with that Voice is , it states that when he descend with that voice , The dead will rise , question : Whose voice will the dead hear , Jesus or Another person ?

This is where it get trickier

As for Everlasting Father ... Its a title . Jesus had no children . he is our brother.

As for Mighty God , it says " He shall be called " ... Meaning he has not always been God, so you agree ? This is not the true God. Humans are also called El Gibboa

Thank you, only Jehovah bears the suffix “El Shaddai” meaning “Almighty God” (Genesis 17:1, 28:3)
At Isaiah 9:6 the word translated “Mighty God” is “El Gibbor” and referred to Jesus Christ.

DrLiveLogic:
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Hahahaha. I know the things of God are too difficult for the natural mind to understand. With ordinary small brain, man want to make sense of how God, Omnipotent, can play two roles at the same time but they are only foolishness to him so he denies the bible. Since they are foolishness to you, why not abandon the Bible totally? Why feign acceptance of it while denying its facts at the same time?



Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Ignorant answer. Can God not be in two realms at the same time as the Omnipotent Creator? Can he not be on earth as a Son dying and in heaven as Father at the same time? Do you think he is a limited creature like you that can only be in one exclusive of the other?

Did you also read that he gave up his power as one with the Father to take it back?

Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Phi 2:6-7 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

#1) Is there any creature who had the same glory with the father and was equal with Father before the world started?
Don't you know that the Son was equal and together with Father as one Being but became a servant to serve?





Foolish answers. Those thrones are they the sovereign throne which Father and Lamb share? Or don't you know the meaning of sovereign? The elders' thrones are the same with the sovereign throne of Father and Son? Did they mention those thrones as the same with Father and Son? Does the throne of any Creature have the river of life coming out of it like Father and Lamb?
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.


Foolish answer. Father and Son are they not worshipped together? Or what is the meaning of:
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstborn into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Tell us without mincing words, if you claim knowledge. Is there any creature to be worshipped in heaven and earth apart from God Himself?
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Do you know the meaning of only? Tell us if there is any creature that can be worshipped apart from God?
#3) Name the creature that can also be worshipped or don't quote me again.





Ignorant man feigning knowledge. Read your bible. He stripped Himself of his powers and equality with God to become a fellow-servant? Don't quote me again without direct answers to my questions.

Phi 2:6-7 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Answer this last question, directly or don't quote me again.
Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

#4) Can a creature be on earth and heaven with the Father at the same time if they are not one Being in nature?


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Jehovah God has a dwelling place in the spiritual heavens (1Kings 8:34,43)
This teaching of Jehovah being omnipresent is found no where in either the Hebrew or Greek Scriptures!

There he goes again! He keeps on quoting scriptures that are saying the exact opposite of his trash doctrine

Philippians 2:5-6
Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.

What is this God's form ? It simply means divine nature of a being
God is in the form of a Spirit (John 4:24) and no man has seen Him at anytime (Exodus 33:20, John 1:18, 6:46)
Jesus was of divine nature before he came to the earth. The Bible makes it clear on that! (Proverbs 8:22-31, Micah 5:2, John 3:13)
What Jesus meant in John 3:13 was that no righteous man had gone up to heaven before he came! Even King David his forefather was still in the Grave! Acts 2:29-35 . Faithful men and women of old are all in God's memory to be resurrected later on. But they're in the Grave and no where else.

For the latter part of Philippians 2:6:

“gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.”

What is meant here, is that although he was of divine nature, like the rest of the angels in heaven, he never gave consideration to the thought that he should in anyway be equal to God. Since Jesus himself acknowledges that God is higher than him (John 14:28)
Jesus when telling his disciples about the signs of his presence said that no one else apart from God knows when the time of the end would come, even Jesus himself does not know, yes he said it with his mouth(Matthew 24:36)

Like I said, you're just a hopeless “Bible scholar” who has no scriptural background. Continue quoting scriptures that don't align with your line of thought and keep showing how ignorant you are.

Please is anyone still giving attention to that human being above my comment?

DrLiveLogic:
** I forgot to add in #1
Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

The Lord Jesus himself testified that he was on earth(Son) and in heaven (Father) at the same time.

#3 THE THRONE OF GOD
It is evident that God owns the Sovereign throne in the whole universe and every other is under His. We also know that Jesus is enthroned at the right hand of the Father. This statement has made the carnal mind think that the Father sits on one throne and the son sits located beside Him at the right.
But does the scripture teach that right hand is literal or does the scripture teach that it is figurative, that in the end both Father and Son as One Being have one throne? Let us find out.

In the apocalypse, John is given the clearest revelation of the heavenly administration in all the scripture. In Revelation 4, he describes the throne of God surrounded by elders' thrones. Notice he doesn't describe any throne located at the literal right of God's throne because there is no such throne.

The question is where in heaven is the throne of the Son, the Lamb of God?
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

The answer is clear here that it is only one throne, not two different thrones, belonging to God and also to the Lamb. Both are one Being and have just one throne in heaven and his servants serve him. Now watch again.

Rev 20:11-13 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Furthermore, notice that it is this same Being, God who sits on the throne that will judge both the living and the dead. Some say this is the Father because the heaven and earth fled from his face. True, but it is Father and Son in one Being more precisely.
Remember we have shown in #2 that it is both YAHWEH of OT and Jesus Christ in One Being who will judge the dead and living.(2Ti 4:1, Ecc 3:17)
Again watch!

Rev 11:16-18 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

Finally, here, we see even more clearly here that it is the same God who sat on the single sovereign throne who all the elders worship. Surely this is the Father, YAHWEH whose throne was described in the midst of the elders' in Revelation 4.
But behold it is also he who will judge the dead(unrighteous) and the living, (the prophets whom he will reward with his saints). Of course we know who it is that judges the dead and living by now. Surely it is the Lord Jesus(2Ti 4:1). Again, we see here that Father and Son as one Being bearing the title, "Who is and was and is to come"(as shown in the first part) who in one Being sit on the single sovereign throne and will reign.



Clearly, right hand of the Father is not geographical since there is no throne at his right in John's heavenly vista but it is figurative of his Omnipotence. I can treat this separately from scriptures after we have all agreed that YAHWEH is Jesus.
Q.E.D. Let's move to another prerogative of God


N.B: If you cannot prove that the scriptures above are false, then you have accepted that Jesus is YAHWEH. Please don't quote me if you can't deny these scriptures. You are not worthy of an answer and please nobody should come with any distraction of trinity this, trinity that or peace and unity. What we are dealing with is simple, the Divinity of Jesus Christ, whether he is YAHWEH or not. Simple.


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There are several thousands of self-acclaimed “Bible scholars” in existence today. That you've come with your own interpretation of the Bible doesn't make you different from any of them. I noticed in all your posts, you keep going back and forth. Quoting scriptures that are saying the exact opposite of your useless doctrine.
Your type of people always claim to know, but on close examination, one would see how ignorant you are. A true and ardent student of the Bible will laugh at all these your comments you've made in the past 2days.

Janosky:
DrLiveLogic desperado survival mode activated

These trinitarians will never cease to be as a source of entertainment in this nairaland shaa!
The young man is even claiming “spiritual”
Wetin man no go see again