rottennaija: Dude, watchtower didn't have any truth. It's as simple as that.
Like I said you were probably an infant Christian who happened to stumble upon apostate books and now see your life now, you can't get it together anymore. You're out there disputing already established truth Since you say JW's don't preach the truth, that's your personal opinion but can you point to any religious group preaching the real truth about God and harmoniously doing his will as one people? The answer is that is no, and you know it. Stop all these your lame pretenses.
rottennaija: Sorry dude. That book was published decades before my awakening. The book was instrumental to understanding the different shades of the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Sorry for your unfortunate outcome But you did not stand fast in the truth and that's that. John 8:44
Even Pastors in Christendom Churches are saying the same thing, Rozz confirmed that her Pastor said so!
I'm talking about rottennaija and his followers on this thread. They know it's only Jehovah's Witnesses who are doing God's will on earth today so that's they keep lying to themselves.
Maximus69: The truth is they're not Jehovah's sheep!
Jehovah's sheep will continue to seek the one and only organization belonging to Jehovah, so if they're "we've found a better performing group" that means they want equity and righteosness {Zephaniah 2:2-3} but since they're not ready to humble themselves before God, there is no way they can see reasons with the idea of one God one Organization. Note that they're not saying Jehovah's Witnesses Organization is not working for Jehovah, what they're saying is "there are worshipers of Jehovah in all religions"
Obviously they know that's a lie. When they don't even know God's personal name or his purposes. When they believe Jesus is the same as God. Of course they are not worshiping the Almighty God Jehovah! Micah 4:5 “For all the peoples will walk, each in the name of its god, But we will walk in the name of Jehovah our God forever and ever”
So they will continue worshiping their trinity dogsgods WHILE the true worshipers of God will keep worshiping the true God Jehovah.
Maximus69: They want to see Jehovah or Jesus before believing!
They failed woefully to grasp the import of that word believe. Jesus said many will not see him but they will believe in him through the teachings of his brothers. John 20:29
Believe connotes trust, so there is no way anyone can claim to believe in Jesus without doing any work for Jesus, and before you can work for Jesus you must be part of his organized group. John 15:1-10
By the time everything begins to take shape, with the destruction of Babylon the Great. By then it may have been too late to make a U-turn. Now that we're shouting it they won't hear If you don't get baptized and become a Jehovah's Witness, there is no way you are entering God's Kingdom!
Quote the Bible to prove God accepts more than one form of worship, you're quoting books is that what you want to use in preaching and teaching for Jesus?
rottennaija doesn't know where else to turn to. So he has gone to dig out useless books written by apostates and then he came here posting screenshots wanting to prove a point
rottennaija: Lol Achorladey come ooo, you are confusing them. You have put fire into their camp. They keep guessing, wondering what you are up to. I think it keeps them up at night
What if I am referring to another person in my comment? Must it be the person you mentioned?
Maximus69: They're desperately fighting hard to keep Rozz on the broad road! Matthew 7:13-14 But they're confused as they can't point to any group practicing pure worship.
That's why i said ask each of them to tell you the name of their Church at least to know where the idea is coming from, but since they're all atheists claiming believers!
Well what I can decipher from rottennaija is that he thinks he can enter God's Kingdom without him belonging to one particular group of true Christians so that's why he has rejected God's constituted authority. As for the other one, till today I cannot tell where that one stands because he has just been confusing and contradicting himself ever since
Rozz: Then where is that atheist evangelist cooking up all this from.smh
When you see GRIMMJOE next time, ask him Now you've seen that all is not well with his intellect right? He and his supposed atheist brothers are equally confused. Including rottennaija, he's now quoting scriptures out of context trying to dispute what the Bible says concerning submission and obedience to those taking the lead in the Christian congregation (1Thessalonians 5:12, Hebrews 13:7,17, 1Peter 5:5)
Rozz: lol, but are you my SD wife truly,just wondering why he would made that up if he's lying
Rozz kuku kill me Please I am an adult male and I don't know Maximus69 face to face. But since we are all brothers in Christ, we have the same line of thought and beliefs.
Whenever i say to them "if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses, you can't enter the kingdom of our own God" They'll begin quoting scriptures out of context.
Rottennaija brought forward a video, but after seeing where it's stated in the scriptures that we must be submissive to those taking the lead amongst God's people, he can't deny that but to cancel it as if it's not in his copy of the Bible!
Apostates and the disfellowshiped ones are just one of the funniest set of people
Abeg let those who have listening hears go and check what is found in that passage of the Bible!
He wants to form smart na The Bible said we as true Christians should be obedient and submissive to those taking the lead in God's arrangement! (1Thessalonians 5:12, Hebrews 13:7,17, 1Peter 5:5) So if they can't take instruction and be submissive then they should forget it. Nothing for them in God's Kingdom.
Maximus69: They don't know what it means to be a spiritual sheep!
Thanks to our Master, Lord and King Jesus Christ, he substantiate by the illumination of the sheep and the goats!
They're goats but they want the sheep to join them in their rebelliousness!
If they can't be submissive to those taking the lead in Jehovah's organization on earth now, then what would they want to be doing when God's Kingdom has been extended to the earth? Surely these ones have no place as part of the “little sheep” or “great crowd” in God's Kingdom
Maximus69: Don't mind them. They want to worship the God who always lead his people through constituted authorities but they don't want to be submissive to any, they just feel like worshiping him without been watched.
Let them go and worship their own God elsewhere!
Since they don't like the arrangement and don't want to be submissive, leave they said no. Find another religious group that preaches the truth about God na they said no because they know there is no other religious group that preaches the truth except Jehovah's Witnesses. They're clearly deluded people
There's no problem sir Since you want to be like the likes of Korah, Dathan and Abiram who rebelled against God's constituted authority and challenged Moses who was only Jehovah's representative, then go ahead and do so! I'm sure you are aware of their demise (Numbers 16:1-11, 28-34)
rottennaija: You mean Jesus Christ the head of the congregation that is inside the organisation that has the governing body as the head? No wonder meetings of JWs now is about loyalty and complete trust in the governing body. I don't have need that.
GRIMMJOE: But you too are foolish, you think you're the only one that can insult.
Take it up against Jehovah the Almighty God. Yes he called you foolish because you've said there is no God (Psalm 10:4, 14:1,2) Psalm 14:1 “The foolish one says in his heart: “There is no Jehovah.” So go to heaven and fight God for calling you foolish.
Maximus69: At least it's Jehovah's Witnesses that you're not taking serious shey? Hen take achorladey God serious nah! Must it be the God of JWs?
Ask GRIMMJOE to show fruitage of his coalition with his partner, and they won't be able to give a solid answer. One said there is God, GRIMMJOE said there's no God. So who is deceiving who?
GRIMMJOE: Keep wasting you time, all you do is hide behind maximus skit, funny, because you're the woman.
Funny thing is the person siding with you now knows the truth about true Christians. But since he doesn't appreciate Jehovah's arrangement, he doesn't want anyone to know the truth so that's why he'll keep attacking the truth! So before his eyes you appear like a fool, I'm just letting you know this.
Maximus69: Jesus has cleared the whole thing my brother.
They're both on the broad road so they can switch to any lane as they like! Matthew 7:13-14
I've already told that wannabe attacker of JW's that I'm not conversing with him any more on the matter and it's itching him badly because he wants me to reply him
Maximus69: Achorladey and rottennaija were born, bread and brought up by JW parents but they chose to turn their backs on the truth, now ask them which group are they worshiping with? Gbege go shele!
They think they are deceiving the congregation that they are part of. They forgot Jesus Christ in his heavenly position is the one who searches the innermost thoughts and heart of people to know those who truly want to serve Jehovah God and also those who will be rewarded the gift of everlasting life (Revelation 2:23)
Maximus69: Achorladey is the one you need to tell that, at least he's your friend now so convince him that there is no God. If you can't convince your friend, how do you expect to convince someone opposed to your ideas?
They claim to have the same line of thought but one believes in God and the other doesn't? These clowns
Maximus69: Now you can see why i always reply him saying
"i'm through with you"
He has no purpose than to join critics against JWs yet his head is filled with JW publications like Kumuyi!
Remember Jesus' illustration of the seeds(word of God) that fell on the roadside and rocky soil. Luke 8:4-15 His type are the ones that allowed Satan to deceive them even after hearing and receiving the truth!
achorladey: DappaD: Shortly after the death of the apostles and prior to 1919, there was no visible and organized group of true Christians practising true Christianity.
Achorladey: In reality and the essence of what you typed and highlighted above is all the WHEATS DIED(shortly after the deaths of the apostle) and the WEEDS kept growing and in 1919 Jesus Christ had to convert WEEDS to WHEATS to bring back TRUE CHRISTIANITY
DappaD: The people who listened to Jesus knew how difficult it was to tell genuine wheat from weeds. So Jesus was illustrating that for a while, it would be difficult to distinguish true Christians from the counterfeit variety. This does not mean that the Christian congregation ceased to exist, for Jesus promised to continue to guide his spiritual brothers “all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” (Matthew 28:20) Jesus said that the wheat would continue to grow. Even so, through the ages, genuine Christians individually or in groups, no doubt did their best to adhere to Christ's teachings
Achorladey: The same DappaD 3:14 am this morning said......This does not mean that the Christian congregation ceased to exist
. 9:52 am same DappaD now say.............Shortly after the death of the apostles and prior to 1919, [b]there was NO visible and organized group of true Christians practising true Christianity.
Mr DappaD do the coefficient of correlation and get back to me after reading
DappaD: At 18, Charles Taze Russell when he came of mature age questioned the doctrines because they weren't scriptural and then he formed a Bible study class.
Achorladey: In reality Russell's parent were WEEDS and RUSSELL was a born-in WEEDS and had to be converted to WHEATS by Jesus when he came back. After all you already said there was NO VISIBLE and ORGANIZED practising CHRISTIANITY. Jesus parable didn't say WEEDS are converted to WHEATS
DappaD: So Russell was never at any point an advocate for false worship because when he came of a thinking and mature age, he had rejected the false doctrines already.
Achorladey: Just tell one of the THINGS RUSSELL did that make him an advocate of FALSE WORSHIP. Just one. I know he joined FALSE Christians in so many things. Just one is enough
DappaD: So Russell and his associates are identified among the “wheat” in Jesus' illustration.
Achorladey: The above is just like me saying.... (Achorladey is Pastor RUSSELL). You will want Proof. Yes/No. Give us proof that shows there IDENTITY as WHEATS. I show why from your own very TEACHINGS RUSSELL na WEED.
DappaD: Since they were the ones who restored pure worship.
Achorladey: You mean RUSSELL restored James 1:27 . Look at the scripture below. Is this what RUSELL restore or his own brand of WORSHIP
Pure religion/WORSHIP and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
This your method of replying someone is just laughable Well anyone on this thread who wants the real answers to the questions asked can just scroll to the previous pages and read the answers to the questions. And you, achorladey whether you attack what I said, right left and centre, what has been stated has been stated and it's a fact. This will be my last reply to you on that subject matter.
I think Maximus69 has done justice to all your questions so far, providing even scriptural backup. But you, GRIMMJOE still have chosen to remain mentally enslaved to your atheist beliefs so you keep asking repetitively questions. You can't even provide a reasonable rebuttal or any other intelligent information.
GRIMMJOE: Simple question they can not answer, [s]I've taught DappaD a lesson, next time she see my Moniker she will shiver.[/s]
Find out for yourself if I'm male or female That should be your task Besides all the mumbled up and repetitive questions you've asked so far, what other intelligent information have you brought to the table on this thread? Shiver indeed
Maximus69: I've told you that the Organization began right in the garden of Eden and since there was nothing that could have led to the death of the first couple there's no need to keep dates, God began noting the time after Adam and Eve were driven out of the garden of Eden. So it was the day they left that garden that counting of days began because they've picked an expiring date for themselves!
So far so good Jehovah's Witnesses have separated over 8.7 million (still counting) inhabitants of this planet never to pick up weapons against their fellowman and they've formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally. The whole world can see for themselves that despite all the hatred, racial prejudice and political unrest throughout the earth, a global group has washed their hands clean from it all.
The things you're explaining to him now, he'll never understand it because of the state of his mind right now. He'll still come again and ask “how old is Jehovah wittiness” like a confused person