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Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 11:03pm On Jul 21, 2020

solite3:
seriously you are a comic relief, The word of Jehovah and The breathe of Jehovah both has definite article, both are singular.
He said by the Word of Jehovah not by the words of Jehovah meaning the word of Jehovah is just one.

False witness rigmaroling!
Jesus is called the word of God just as the Holy Spirit is called the breathe of God, not an active force.
If you agree that the word of Jehovah is a person then the breathe of Jehovah is also a person.

see blabbing,

Jehovah is called a rock, does that mean he is not a person.

Let me shock you do you know the rock that followed the israelities in the wilderness was Christ?

1 Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Does that mean because Christ was a rock then he is not a person?
Jesus was the rock in Ex 17 an Numbers 20.
Does that mean that Christ is not a person.

@ bolded Hahahaha, "it could be" you are as confuse as confusion itself, so you dont even know, yet you argue in ignorance with all certainty, talking about intelligence which you lack.
so you agree that Jehovah is also called Rock which is a non living thing but can not see that the breathe of God is also a person.

More confusion for false witness,

In Jerimaiah 23 vs 24 Jehovah is said to fill the heavens not his glory.

Jeremiah 23:23-24 Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?
Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.

You talk about context yet went far away from Jeremiah giving your own deluded interpretation,
Jehovah was talking about his presence, his own location, that he fill heaven and earth therefore no one can hide from him, not glory.

Jehovah fill the whole heaven and earth,
So the question stands that how can a person fill the whole heaven and earth?

1 Kings 8:27
But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?

Solomon said Heaven itself cannot contain God, yet your puny little mind think you can put God into a box?

So we've seen Jehovah and Jesus communicate with people, where in the Bible has holy spirit talked with or had any communication with anybody?

Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 11:05pm On Jul 20, 2020

solite3:

false witness; The Holy Spirit is not a person because he is called the breathe of God, the finger of God.
me; Jesus is called the word yet he is a person, God is called the rock yet he is a person.
false witness; How can a person be poured out, like water.
me; God is said to fill the heavens and the earth yet He is said to be a person.

false witness; Trinity does not make sense,

me; neither does the existence of God make sense to an atheist or can you make sense of an infinite God who has no beginning or neither has an end.

false witness starts to throw tantrums

Okay!

solite3 : Jesus is called the word yet he is a person

DappaD :
The Bible mentions at Psalm 33:6 that “By the word of Jehovah the heavens were made, And by the spirit of his mouth everything in them.”
But notice there's no definite article likening “word” in this passage to be the title of a person.
Even the “spirit of his mouth” here refers to the “active force/breath” at Genesis 1:3 which also does not have a definite article referring to it as a title.
That means He actually spoke words and thus, created the heavens and the earth

Now we consider a title that is held by Jesus, he is called “The Word of God” (John 1:1, Revelation 19:13)
Here we see that it does actually refer to a title which Jesus held as a spirit creature in heaven, on earth and still holds as King of God's Kingdom. Jesus is called the “Word” because he acts as God's Chief Spokesman (John 12:49,50)
So apparently, we can see two instances of the “word”
One referring to actual spoken words of God and the other referring to a title held by Jesus

solite3 : God is called the rock yet he is a person.

DappaD : The Bible states that in a figurative sense, that Jehovah is a “Rock” (Deuteronomy 32:4) which is just describing his qualities because He acts as a stronghold or strong fortress (2Samuel 22:32,33) and as a refuge for His people (Psalm 62:7, 94:22)
Peter's very own name signifies him being a “rock” (Matthew 16:18)
So what do you intend to get away with here?

solite3 : God is said to fill the heavens and the earth yet He is said to be a person.

DappaD : On that note, Jehovah lives in the heavens (1Kings 8:43)
Another factor you're failing to consider here is that when the Bible says the earth is filled with Jehovah(Jeremiah 23:24), it could mean that the Bible is referring to the earth being filled with the knowledge and glory of Jehovah (See Numbers 14:21, Psalm 72:19, Isaiah 6:3, 11:9, Habakkuk 2:14) It is not literally referring to God being omnipresent and present in all things

So when studying the Bible, you try to take into consideration the context and other scriptures to explain a concept.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 10:14pm On Jul 20, 2020

solite3:
Proverbs 17:5 Whoso mocketh the poor reproacheth his Maker: and he that is glad at calamities shall not be unpunished.

I don't expect much from a pagan false witness

Your trinity god is not the same as Jehovah God, the Creator of the Universe grin

So your trinity god which is a figment of your imagination can't do me na-da grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 10:10pm On Jul 20, 2020

solite3:
What do you know about the trinity? Your problem started from getting the trinity wrong, there are evidences in the scripture.
The Holy Spirit is a person,
The Father is a person and the Son is a person but they are one God not different Gods .

This your trinity god na Siamese twins them be? grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 10:08pm On Jul 20, 2020

DappaD:
When Jesus was speaking about holy spirit to his disciples, he said Jehovah would send his holy spirit (John 14:16,17,26, 16:7-15) and that holy spirit would serve as a “helper” to them and then he personified it. But personification doesn't prove personality. The Bible says that sin and death have ruled as kings (Romans 5:14, 6:12)but that did not make sin and death to be persons just because of personification.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 10:02pm On Jul 20, 2020

Janosky:
*1)
Solite3 FRAUD claims.
John 14:28, Jesus Christ says:
The Father is greater than i am "
Is the Father of Jesus Christ on the same level with holy spirit?
WAYO solite3

In the old testament and the new testament, we see the expression:
"Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.."
Bros, is Abraham on the same level with Isaac and Jacob?
WAYO man DECEIVING himself with Trinity GIBBERISH

**2)
The radio/TV in your house, talks, speaks and you,Solite3 will listen attentively.
Bros, is your radio/TV a person?

What solite3 means to tell us is that “God's finger” referred to by Jesus at Luke 11:20 and as “God's spirit” in Matthew's parallel account at Matthew 12:28 is referring to an actual person that speaks! undecided

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Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 9:57pm On Jul 20, 2020

solite3:
Do you even know what intelligence is?

I think I should ask you that?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 7:23pm On Jul 20, 2020

solite3:
Jesus expels Demons by the Holy Spirit same way The Father created all things by the Son. Does that mean Jesus is not a person?

What the hell is this?
Please if you're replying me, do so intelligently.

Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DappaD: 2:41pm On Jul 20, 2020

GRIMMJOE:
~~but you've already responded now.~~

If you don't have what to do, turn your phone off and sleep! Stop inciting me I do not have your time.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 2:39pm On Jul 20, 2020

I'll share few Scriptures that makes it clear to your trinitarian dogheads are a fallacy!

Jehovah God is the Creator of the Universe and He doesn't have a beginning neither does He have an end (Psalm 90:2, 93:2, Isaiah 40:28, Revelation 4:11)
He is called “El Shaddai” which means God Almighty (Genesis 17:1)
He is called the “Most High” (Psalm 83:18)

On the other hand, Jesus is the only person that is referred to as that “promised Son” throughout the OT and NT. (Isaiah 9:6, Micah 5:2)
Jesus has a beginning unlike Jehovah that's why he's called the “firstborn of all creation” and “only begotten son” because Jehovah created him directly. (John 3:16, Colossians 1:15,16, Revelation 3:14)
It was through Jesus that Jehovah created everything else in the literal/spiritual heavens and on earth (Proverbs 8:22-31, John 1:3, Colossians 1:16,17, Hebrews 1:2)
Jesus is called “Son of the Living God” (Matthew 16:16, John 20:31)
He is also called “Son of the Most High” (Luke 1:31-33)
Jesus always acknowledged that his Father, Jehovah was greater than he was. (John 14:28) That's why he doesn't know when the end would come, and that only Jehovah knows (Matthew 24:36)

Holy spirit is God's active force/breath that He(Jehovah) uses to accomplish his will with ease. It doesn't have a personality. It has been associated with terms such as “breath”, “finger of God” , “hand of God” , “outstretched arm of God” .
Note the parallels between Matthew and Luke's account on Jesus expelling demons:
Matthew 12:28: Jesus said he expels demons by God's holy spirit
Luke 11:20: Jesus said he expels demons by God's finger
Which is pointing to the fact that holy spirit is not a person
When Jesus was speaking about holy spirit to his disciples, he said Jehovah would send his holy spirit (John 14:16,17,26, 16:7-15) and that holy spirit would serve as a “helper” to them and then he personified it. But personification doesn't prove personality. The Bible says that sin and death have ruled as kings (Romans 5:14, 6:12)but that did not make sin and death to be persons just because of personification.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 1:57pm On Jul 20, 2020

solite3:
The LORD referred to the father, a person of the trinity and the Lord referred to Jesus who is another member of the trinity in his position as the Christ.

You see how silly you sound now!
You were the one advocating that your trinity god is just one right?

solite3:
Trinity simply state that there is only one being, God

So why the separation into two people now?

Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 1:49pm On Jul 20, 2020

solite3:
any body can be called mighty but only Jehovah God can be referred to as the ~~Mighty~~ Almighty God no other being can bear this title.

You're mixing the two again!
You've not still answered me, when Jehovah empowered Moses to be like God in Pharaoh's eyes, did that make him the same person as Jehovah?

Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DappaD: 1:42pm On Jul 20, 2020

GRIMMJOE:
It appears DappaD has finally learned his lesson, even image123 was smacked around till he run for safety, I I'm terrible.

Maximus69, and Termite is next, a good spanking till they receive sense.

dropsmic

When a madman taunts you in public, do you favour him a response? What makes you think I'd respond to you since you've proved a lunatic?

Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 11:05am On Jul 20, 2020

solite3:
But Almighty God Jehovah is the same as the Mighty God.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jeremiah 32:18 Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts, is his name,

Who is the mighty God?

according to Jeremiah, It is Jehovah
so after all, the Almighty God is the same as the Mighty God and his name is Jehovah.
so Jesus is the mighty God therefore Jesus is Almighty God Jehovah.

Angels are also described as being mighty spirit beings (Psalm 103:19,20) because Jehovah and his Son Jesus and the rest of the angels in heaven are all Mighty and powerful spirit beings. But the term “El Shaddai” (God Almighty) is designated to one Person alone, Jehovah.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 10:57am On Jul 20, 2020

solite3:
where did I ever say such? mr man, you are disillusioned, Jesus had pre earthly life, yes but Jesus is God, simple.

Okay so you want to contend with what the scriptures says abi

When the Bible said that Jehovah is the Most High (Psalm 83:18)

And that Jesus is the Son of the Most High (Luke 1:31-33)

Do you mean to tell me that you will openly ignore who the Bible says Jesus(i.e God's Son) is, just to pursue your own agenda? shocked

Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 10:54am On Jul 20, 2020

solite3:
But Almighty God Jehovah is the same as the Mighty God.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jeremiah 32:18 Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts, is his name,

Who is the mighty God?

according to Jeremiah, It is Jehovah
so after all, the Almighty God is the same as the Mighty God and his name is Jehovah.
so Jesus is the mighty God therefore Jesus is Almighty God Jehovah.

Note that Isaiah 9:6 said Jesus will be called “Mighty God”
Are you trying to say God has never been the Almighty? There clearly is referring to an event later in the future concerning Jesus as he will fill that position as a “Mighty God”
Other verses that refer to Jehovah as “Mighty God” or “Mighty One”, note that the verses acknowledge that he has always been “Mighty God” or “Almighty God”
Whereas in Jesus case it refers to a position he will fill as King in God's Kingdom, hence “he will be called the Mighty God” (Isaiah 9:6)

Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 10:49am On Jul 20, 2020

solite3:
Psalms 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

what do you want me to explain?

Identify the two Lords in the paragraph. Was one person talking to himself?

Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 9:42am On Jul 20, 2020

solite3:
yes, It means He is the same as Jehovah,
you keep digging your own pit at every turn.

Jeremiah 32:18 Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts, is his name,

Mr Dappa from this verse what is the name of the mighty God?
Remember, 'The LORD' means Jehovah or Yahweh.

can you see that the Almighty God is also the one called the mighty God and his name is Jehovah.

Coming back to Exodus 7:1, Moses became like God to stand before Pharaoh because he was given divine power and authority from the One above, Jehovah!
Likewise too, Jesus also has divine power and authority that was given to him by His Father Jehovah! Matthew 28:18
So yes, Jesus is of divine nature but he is not the Almighty God Jehovah.
These two cannot be mixed together!

Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 9:32am On Jul 20, 2020

solite3:
yes, It means He is the same as Jehovah,
you keep digging your own pit at every turn.

Jeremiah 32:18 Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts, is his name,

Mr Dappa from this verse what is the name of the mighty God?
Remember, 'The LORD' means Jehovah or Yahweh.

can you see that the Almighty God is also the one called the mighty God and his name is Jehovah.

And also can you please point out where the Bible said Jesus left a mysterious godhead and became a man?
If you're about to quote Philippians 2:6,7 & Hebrews 2:9, then you're wrong because that passage doesn't support your doctrine at all as it only points to Jesus having a prehuman existence before he came to the earth. And that there's enough Scriptural evidence for that as well.
You'll gradually see that this your trinity is an invention of your church fathers and pastors lipsrsealed

Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 9:27am On Jul 20, 2020

solite3:
yes, It means He is the same as Jehovah,
you keep digging your own pit at every turn.

Jeremiah 32:18 Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts, is his name,

Mr Dappa from this verse what is the name of the mighty God?
Remember, 'The LORD' means Jehovah or Yahweh.

can you see that the Almighty God is also the one called the mighty God and his name is Jehovah.

That is why I earlier asked you to explain something.
Can you please explain to the forum the meaning of Psalm 110:1? Don't dodge this please.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 8:17am On Jul 20, 2020

solite3:
Moses became like God in pharaohs eyes, is it the same as Moses is God?

Fine! Thank you!
That Jesus is called the “Mighty God” at Isaiah 9:6, does that mean he is the same as Jehovah the “God Almighty”? Genesis 17:1
I said it you're going to fall into my trap today grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 8:03am On Jul 20, 2020

solite3:
so if there is only one God how come Jesus is also God?
How come you call Jesus mighty God and the father Almighty God?

Plot twist!
How come Moses became like God in Pharaoh's eyes? Does that mean Moses was now God? Exodus 7:1

You'll confuse yourself today just watch grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 1:15am On Jul 20, 2020

cornelboy:
I'm not a JW but I agree with you bcause it's the Biblical truth.

Jesus is a God, but not the Almighty GOD, YAHWEH.

Did you later check out the website?

Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 1:14am On Jul 20, 2020

cornelboy:
Trinitarians say God and Jesus are co-equal, are they really co-equal
Acts 2:36, God made Jesus both our Lord and Saviour.
In another verse, "he was exalted to the right hand of God".
Also, all powers were given unto him.
Also, he was annointed by God, Hebrew 1:9.
In another, he will be made subjected to God at the end, 1 Corinth 15:24-28.
1 Corinth. 11:3, "God is the head of Christ".

Could God and Jesus be CO-EQUAL as Trinitarians say

You've clearly seen that all their arguments are blind. They can twist whatever scripture they want so it can agree on terms with their nameless trinity god

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Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 1:11am On Jul 20, 2020

cornelboy:
God is supreme over all, He is all in all.

1Corinthians 15:28

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Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 1:10am On Jul 20, 2020

cornelboy:
the Bible is so clear about this, one God Almighty period.

Yes! Jehovah is God Almighty (El Shaddai) Genesis 17:1

Another scripture that is favoured by trinitarians is Isaiah 9:6. In that scripture, Isaiah was prophesying about Jesus as King of God's Kingdom. And there referred to Jesus as the “Mighty God” (El Gibbor)

But note however, “El Shaddai” is designated only to Jehovah! So when trinitarians argue about Isaiah 9:6, they do so because they don't have the full facts and understanding.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 12:59am On Jul 20, 2020

cornelboy:
some define it as; three distincts persons whom each is God, yet one God.
This sounds so brain twisting that some people believe it as a mystery.

People who really want to do God's will should stick to the truth of the Bible and not manufactured doctrines/spurious addition. It is very vital that one should come to know the truth now, because that's how one can have everlasting life. (John 17:3)

Jehovah God is clearly identified as the Most High over all the whole earth (Psalm 83:18)

Jesus is called the Son of the Most High (Luke 1:31-33)

Any other addition to this is trash!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 12:48am On Jul 20, 2020

cornelboy:
there is only one God, the Father, no double meaning.

Just ask him to explain Psalm 110:1 and then sit back and watch the drama cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 12:43am On Jul 20, 2020

cornelboy:
If you carefully study the Bible, you would see and understand that the existence of only one true GOD, the Almighty was taught.
Jesus confirmed this in John 17:3, also Paul supported the authentic believe of the one true God, YaHweh who is the Father of all is a single person not "three in one God" or " God in three persons" as Trinitarians says. 1 corinthians 8:6.

Of course they won't study the Bible to get the true meaning of things. They prefer latching on to what ever their pastors tell them is right without seeing whether those things are actually so.

Now just watch how the clowns claiming their god is a trinity would be defending it on this thread grin

You're in for an interesting ride though
They claim that their Holy Ghost gives them the same guidance but all of them can't come to a proper definition of their trinity god.

I've already observed trinitarian say:
“God is a 3-in-1”

I've also seen another definition of this trinity on this same thread by another trinitarian:
“God is not a 3-in-1 but one God”

So which of these definitions should we take now? Which of their Holy Ghosts is lying?

See, these people just want to twist facts and Bible truths that can easily be understood upon study. Now give a thought to what Paul wrote in this first and second letter to Timothy

“However, the inspired word[the Bible] clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons,” 1Timothy 4:1

“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled. They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.” 2Timothy 4:3,4

And all of this is evident when we see these people trying to twist Bible truths to support their own agenda. undecided

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Christianity Etc › Re: Was TRINITY Taught By Jesus Or The Early Apostles??? by DappaD: 12:33am On Jul 20, 2020

solite3:
How can you call something you don't even understand baseless?

You that is talking, do you even understand what your trinity god demands of you? grin

Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DappaD: 6:23pm On Jul 18, 2020*

cornelboy:
where do you stay?

That won't be necessary at all chief

Any Jehovah's Witness in your area can study with you, it's the same Bible study/info/counsel that you'll receive. But because of the pandemic, that may not be possible.

So to save everyone that stress for now that the pandemic is still raging, you can begin your study using our website at jw.org to know what the Bible really teaches about Jehovah God, Jesus Christ, God's Kingdom and other interesting subjects. You can use this link to easily access the website: https://www.jw.org/en/
On the home page, you scroll down til you see the picture below.
And then you can start from there. The Bible study is free of charge and interactive. You won't need to sign up or anything like that. And what's more, you can follow the study up at your own speed and time.

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Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DappaD: 8:37pm On Jul 17, 2020

TATIME:
He is surely studying with JWs but not mature enough to speak the language!

I once travelled to see my cousin in Abuja, his wife and children led me to the house of a JW, on getting their i just said "i'm brother_____ from _____ congregation" they were all amazed at the way our brother called to his wife who was still indoor saying "Mine, we have a visitor from _____ congregation" and the rest was a story.

My cousin's wife objects "you never knew the till i brought you, have you? So is this how JWs easily relate with everyone?" Then i told her "i've spoken our global language" Yet she protests "which language did you speak that's strange just now?"

So if you're not one of us, you can't speak our language because it spoken by only God's own people!

Very true. A JW brother shouldn't have to refrain from saying he's one.

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