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achorladey:
You always read but you seem not to digest what you read. Even the organization you are a member did not support what I bolded above. The image below says.....false Christianity flourished and hid the identity of true Christians ..........

in essence true CHRISTIANITY exist even before the parent of Russell thought of giving birth to him. The image below has more.

In addition you can't read the supporting Scripture to the paragraph to see that the WHEAT and WEEDS keep growing together. It didn't say the weeds kill the wheats.

Finally how can Jesus comeback and start restructuring the WHEATS without first binding the WEEDS and throw them into the FIRE first.

Are you sure you were even a publisher? Or just a Bible student who fell along the way.
Because Jesus' illustration of the wheat and weeds is quite understood among Witnesses.

MuttleyLaff:

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You must have got something to hide that is preventing you from having the courage to answer those easy, simple, innocent, harmless, direct and straightforward questions.

For you to use "... your fellow trinitarians ..." betrays a deficit in understanding what the phrase means and implies. In spite knowing what my position is (i.e. God is , you still went ahead to turn this personal and dishonestly lump with me with a wrong and myopic view setting. Smh.

Of course I know your stand quite alright. You're of the opinion that God exists in multiple forms at different places. Which is just one of the versions of trinity. So yes it doesn't make you any different from the trinitarians I tagged you along with.

MuttleyLaff:

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Do you think, I give a rat arse whether you believe in trinity or you don't believe in trinity ni

Why didn't you let a sleeping lion lie in peace but instead you dived in to go rouse it with that your above post there, huh?

Boy, you don't get the drift. You don't come up and ask me trash. Those questions are meant for your fellow trinitarians since you lot can't come to an accurate definition of your trinity dog god

MuttleyLaff:
[s]OK, explain why are you limiting God to three persons then?[/s]

Maybe you've not been following up on the posts on this thread or maybe you're slow to comprehend. Let me clear up some doubts.
I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and WE DO NOT BELIEVE in trinity. Go and find your trinitarian brothers and begin arguing with them.

MuttleyLaff:
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I didn't want to revisit this
But nobody is putting limit on God oga
Jehovah God is ONE Spirit Being and not a multidimensional entity. (Deuteronomy 6:4)
Imagine you were even comparing God to a guy in an action movie, the Matrix. The height of disrespect

Maximus69:
They thought their cheap lies can deceive true Christians, instead of saying he agreed to become a worshiper of the god of confusion.

How can the same spirit from God teach you something that doesn't make you agree with fellow worshipers of the same God in your place of worship?
Then about TRINITY each person has a personal definition, so those who wants to know exactly how the Trinity should be defined like Rozz will become evildoers simply because they don't want going about with delusion!

Satan can blind people o!

He then tried to play the guilt card
Next time he'll know better not to wander about the territory of Jehovah's Witnesses

Maximus69:
He entered one chance!

He will soon return when he finds more morOns to support his PERSONAL teacher who teaches him secretly but can't agree with students of his so called holy spirit/ghost. Even what the Church he attends says on TRINITY doesn't count!

The young man doesn't even know what's been transpiring in the previous pages

changedinchrist:
Yes you are right. I'm leaving now. [s]The stench and foolishness is unbearable for me[/s]. Matthew 7:6.

@Rozz, to add finally, Apologetics is usually harder to atheists because of an objective moral block. Although I have found a way around some but because only the father can draw a man to christ through his holyspirit, it still dependent on the freedom of their moral block of objectivity which makes them defy God. Apologetics to Muslims is the next difficult from experience and experience of scholarly apologists , like William Lain Craig, Ravi Zacharias etc because of divergence from the abrahamic roots to a route against the core principles of salvation.

The rest are a bit easier cos of the backing of scriptures and the human foundations of their cults (Mormons/JWs) or existential spiritualism (Buddishts)

God bless

Bye

Don't try to act immature here, it's not allowed
Why should anybody listen to what your holy ghost taught you personally? You even came to this thread to post links to useless apostate websites wanting to argue what you don't know about I'll deal with you just wait

changedinchrist:
In addition to my post above, Here's a website : https://www.4witness.org/ . There are others. The founders and members were ex-JW and they mentor/help others who leave the cult of JWs and Mormons. They help ex-Mormons too - another false church.

Here's the a good YT of a lady who also left the cult , Go through the videos on this channels well to see clearly all their blasphemous doctrines and shredding of their arguments:

https://www.youtube.com/user/witforjesus/videos

Adios

You stumbled onto the wrong thread boy

@Kobojunkie, I've tried to make you see reason but you have locked your mind tightly. Well, okay it's fine, I want to only face the OP of this thread from now on.

Kobojunkie:
Reverting to a bible version with a faulty translation of the word "Tana" will only mangle the truth even more.

Ask yourself this question. If Japhthah, a judge in the land of Israel had chosen to renege on a vow he made to God, of his own volition, what would have been the consequence.?

Did God relieve Japhthah of his vow to Him? If so, where is it documented and how did God do it?

If not, why did the people of Israel allow their daughters to go out each year to supposedly commune with the daughter of one who broke a vow to the Almighty?

I'm sure you're conversant with the account of Abraham. When Jehovah God tested Abraham's faith by telling him to make a burnt sacrifice of Isaac, Abraham heeded to what God said. It was already established that he would sacrifice his son right? But Jehovah, being a God that abounds in loyal love would never want Abraham to sacrifice his son for any reason whatsoever and He sent his angel to tell Abraham not to harm Isaac. And instead, Abraham offered a ram as a burnt offering in place of Isaac. Here, Jehovah God relieved Abraham of that weight.(Genesis 22:1-14)

Likely, so at Judges 11, since it looks much like a condensed account, we CANNOT say that Jephthah offered his daughter as a burnt sacrifice even though he made such vow. Because Jehovah will never allow for such to happen and He would never approve of such, neither will He accept it. (Deuteronomy 18:10-11, Jeremiah 7:31)

Kobojunkie:
Reverting to a bible version with a faulty translation of the word "Tana" will only mangle the truth even more.

Ask yourself this question. If Japhthah, a judge in the land of Israel had chosen to renege on a vow he made to God, of his own volition, what would have been the consequence.?

Did God relieve Japhthah of his vow to Him? If so, where is it documented and how did God do it?

If not, why did the people of Israel allow their daughters to go out each year to supposedly commune with the daughter of one who broke a vow to the Almighty?

So you want to tell me God would approve of him disobeying his Law that was direct?. Read Deuteronomy 18:10,11 and Jeremiah 7:31, I've sounded this for sometime but you've been ignoring it.
Deuteronomy 18:10,11:
“There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer,  anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable practices Jehovah your God is driving”
Jeremiah 7:30-31
“For the people of Judah have done what is bad in my eyes,’ declares Jehovah. ‘They have set up their disgusting idols in the house that bears my name, in order to defile it.  They have built the high places of Toʹpheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart”
The account of Judges 11:40 echoes the vow Hannah made to Jehovah concerning Samuel. (1Samuel 1:11, 22, 24)
1Samuel 1:24
“As soon as she had weaned him, she took him up to Shiʹloh, along with a three-year-old bull, one eʹphah of flour, and a large jar of wine, and she came to the house of Jehovah in Shiʹloh and brought the young boy with her.”
Hannah did not go empty handed and Jephthah also didn't go empty handed when presenting his daughter for service of Jehovah.
Your problem is that you can't seem to marry scriptures together to mean something and I don't blame you.

Kobojunkie:
Reverting to a bible version with a faulty translation of the word "Tana" will only mangle the truth even more.

Ask yourself this question. If Japhthah, a judge in the land of Israel had chosen to renege on a vow he made to God, of his own volition, what would have been the consequence.?

Did God relieve Japhthah of his vow to Him? If so, where is it documented and how did God do it?

If not, why did the people of Israel allow their daughters to go out each year to supposedly commune with the daughter of one who broke a vow to the Almighty?

When I showed you Exodus 13:11-16, you likely agreed that initially it didn't mean the Israelites would sacrifice their firstborn sons. And later on, more instructions were given on how to redeem their firstborns with five shekels (Numbers 3:44-47)
You think the Bible when writing on accounts of people writes everything concerning them? The account at Judges 11 is likely a condensed account of what took place. In reality, he did not sacrifice his daughter!
Oya leave me let me face the OP of this thread!

@Kobojunkie, you've shown that you don't like reason and so far you've locked your mind and still claim someone ordained by God would do such a detestable thing. Even when there's enough evidence that he didn't do such.
Well, since that's what you've decided, continue believing in that. Of course, people like you with little or no background of the Bible would want to claim you know.
My posts are directed to the OP of this thread anyway and not you.

Kobojunkie:
I did read what you posted and I suggest you get yourself a bible written in plainer English that is easier to comprehend.

I use the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures only, which translates the Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek Scriptures into modern English of the 21st Century. I made reference to the KJV translation to highlight a point only. Because the Hebrew word “tanah” that is translated “lament” or “mourn” in several Bibles actually mean “talk with” or “give commendation” . As the daughters of Israel went yearly to “talk with” the daughter of Jephthah.

I don't think you read Judges 11:29, it reads:
“Jehovah's spirit came upon Jephʹthah, and he passed through Gilʹe·ad and Ma·nasʹseh to go to Mizʹpeh of Gilʹe·ad, and from Mizʹpeh of Gilʹe·ad he continued on to the Amʹmon·ites”

So Jehovah's spirit was already on Jephthah before he made that statement at Judges 11:30-31,

Then Jephʹthah made a vow to Jehovah and said: “If you give the Amʹmon·ites into my hand, then whoever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in peace from the Amʹmon·ites will become Jehovah’s, and I will offer that one up as a burnt offering.”

So why would the spirit of Jehovah that came upon Jephthah go against Jehovah's righteous standards and make him say he would offer his daughter as a burnt sacrifice? Ultimately it meant that he had to redeem her and not sacrifice her. (Numbers 3:44-47)

Like the Bible said, Jephthah was approved by God and he remained faithful to Jehovah throughout his life and there is evidence for such. Please read Hebrews 11:32 & Hebrews 12:1, Jephthah is listed among the faithful “cloud of witnesses” .

Kobojunkie:
[s]Nowhere in the story do you read anything thay remotely resembles a "God said", and not single place are you informed that God aired an opinion of any sort. This is a story written to inform us of what Japhthah did and that is all.


Judges 11 vs 40 says no such thing though. The verse says instead that they mourn her.

It is dishonest to try to make the story say what it doesn't thinking we do so for God's sake. God hates that! That is what Job's friends were guilty of...lying on behalf of God. It is a sin.[/s]

Which is why I said you should read everything I posted up and see where I made reference to the KJV Bible.

Kobojunkie:
Like I said, it is written in English and ought to be comprehended accordingly.

Of course He was not asking for a burnt sacrifice of all first borns. He only just saved them during the Passover back in Egypt.

No, He set them apart for a later plan which we see begin to unfold during the census taken later in the book of Numbers.

the Bible we have today comes in an easy to read translation which can be easily comprehended by those with the language comprehension skills.

[s] There is no such thing as special interpretation for what is written[/s]. That lie was used by dishonest eejits to decieve folks who wanted to remain blind to that which is in front of them.

I'll have to disagree with you on the words I struck out! There's no such thing as personal interpretation. The truth the Bible contains can only be ABSOLUTE. Private opinions/interpretations do not matter because then it would make the Book seem a bit generic.
2Peter 1:20-21:
“For you know this first, that no prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation. For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit”
So since prophecies in the Bible didn't come by private interpretations and were ALL divine, then the meaning of such prophecies would likely not spring up from private interpretations as well!

Kobojunkie:
Like I said, it is written in English and ought to be comprehended accordingly.

Of course He was not asking for a burnt sacrifice of all first borns. He only just saved them during the Passover back in Egypt.

No, He set them apart for a later plan which we see begin to unfold during the census taken later in the book of Numbers.

the Bible we have today comes in an easy to read translation which can be easily comprehended by those with the language comprehension skills.

There is no such thing as special interpretation for what is written. That lie was used by dishonest eejits to decieve folks who wanted to remain blind to that which is in front of them.

@the bolded words, you have rightly said so! So what makes you think the same God would want to accept a supposed burnt human offering to him? Jephthah as well, knowing that it was a detestable thing to Jehovah would never do such. Because as we read at Judges 11:40, there was an epilogue after the vow had been fulfilled. The daughters of Israel regularly made visits each year and talked with her and gave her commendation. Yes, they did that to a living person because she was serving in Jehovah's sanctuary.

Kobojunkie:
[s]The story is clear that he did indeed offer his daughter up to God as an offering[/s] , as he had vowed. The rules on old covenant rules on vows are strict so I understand why he would indeed sacrifice her in obedience.

Please answer my question above.

@Kobojunkie, let me test your Bible knowledge!
At Exodus 13:11-16, did Jehovah God say that all the firstborns of the Israelites should be sacrificed??

Kobojunkie:
wrong reference. I removed it.

A novice to reading or a novice to this story? I confess, i have only today re-read this story after many many years. So i didn't have it saved up in my head.

That does not mean that when I read what is written, or posted, I don't have the necessary English comprehension skills for underatanding what is written.

Okay, I understand.
But from all indication, Jephthah remained faithful to Jehovah throughout his life course. So he did not offer his daughter as a burnt sacrifice to Jehovah! Like the Bible(God's Word) has rightly said He doesn't command one to do that, neither will he accept such. (Deuteronomy 18:10-11, Jeremiah 7:31)

@Kobojunkie, since you know virtually nothing about the Bible, it would be absurd to actually believe how you interpret the scriptures! Just saying though!

Kobojunkie:
But this is not about God but about Japhthah, a leader in Ammon

A leader of Ammon keh
Jephthah served as a Judge in Israel before the times of the Kings.
See as you keep exposing yourself as a novice.

Kobojunkie:
I have read your post.

According to the details in the chapter on the story, Japhthah was saddened by the fact that his daughter showed up. That means it was clear to him what he had to do, considering the vow he made and he voiced this. His daughter even supported his carrying out his duties as far as the vow he made.

It would have been counted as deceit if he had turned around and offered an animal in place of his daughter to God.

There are certain things in the Bible you cannot just hurry to conclude without considering the context and other scriptures. You sound like a novice.
Oga he did not offer his daughter up as a sacrifice! Periodt! Do not paint God a wicked person. You'll be deceiving people who'll read your posts here.

Kobojunkie:
Hannah did not make the same vow that Jephthah made. For Hannah offered her child in service of God while Jephtbah offered the first thing as a burnt offering.

Jehovah God is not a cruel Being! He'd never ask for such! Neither will he accept such!
It would be a slap to his very face! Know this and know truth!
Read your KJV Bible, it says at Judges 11:40 --
“That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the
daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite”
Under the word used to translate “lament” , there's a margin in the KJV Bible that rendered it “talk with”. The New World Translation renders the Hebrew word “tanah” to mean “giving commendation”. The daughters of Israel obviously went yearly to talk with and give commendation to Jephthah's daughter. Surely she was alive and in service of God in the sanctuary. Because surely the daughters of Israel didn't “talk with” a dead person because they knew that a dead person can't hear, speak, harm and do good towards the living because all memory of them is lost. (Ecclesiastes 9:5,6&10) and it would be a dangerous act to try and “talk with” a dead person since it's one of the things that are detestable to Jehovah God. (Deuteronomy 18:11b)

Jehovah God would never command such a sacrifice be given to him. It's an insult to him. It was usually the nations surrounding Israel that sacrificed their children in fire.
Meanwhile Jehovah specifically gave the Law at Deuteronomy 18:10-11:

“There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire , anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to Jehovah , and on account of these detestable practices Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you.”

Also, we see at Jeremiah 7:31, Jehovah's standards remains unchanged:
“For the people of Judah have done what is bad in my eyes,’ declares Jehovah. ‘They have set up their disgusting idols in the house that bears my name, in order to defile it. They have built the high places of Toʹpheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart ”

Kobojunkie:
Hannah did not make the same vow that Jephthah made. For Hannah offered her child in service of God while [s]Jephtbah offered the first thing as a burnt offering[/s] .

I don't think you read my entire comment! Please, do open up your mind and read it.
Thanks!

oluwaahmed:
Dear people, pls those vast in the scriptures should help explain the below;

And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands,

31 Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering
32 So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the Lord delivered them into his hands.
35 And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the Lord, and I cannot go back.

36 And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the Lord, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the Lord hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.

37 And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.

38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.

39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,

40 That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

Pls does this mean that jephtah offered his only child as a burnt offering??

No, Jephthah did not offer his daughter as a burnt sacrifice. When the Ammonites threatened Israel with war, Jephthah made a vow to Jehovah that if Jehovah should help him defeat the Ammonites, then on getting home, anybody he meets first would become Jehovah's servant in the temple/sanctuary till the end of the person's days. (Judges 11:30-31)

The same kind of vow was made by Hannah, she vowed that when she bore a son, that child would serve him all the days of his life - and indeed Samuel did become an ordained Prophet of Jehovah till his death (1Samuel 1:11, 25:1)

As regards Judges 11:31, he did not offer her as a burnt sacrifice. Because that would just go directly against what Jehovah God gave as laws to the Israelites.
Deuteronomy 18:10,11:
“There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire , anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable practices Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you.” See also Jeremiah 7:31.

So it's possible that when Jephthah brought his daughter to the sanctuary, which was in Shiloh at that time, he undoubtedly accompanied his presentation of her with an animal burnt offering. According to the Law, a burnt offering was slaughtered, skinned, and cut up; the intestines and shanks were washed; and its body, head and all, was burned on the altar. (Leviticus 1:3-9)

At Judges 11:40, it then became an annual tradition for the friends of Jephthah's daughter to go and speak with/give commendation to her because she[Jephthah's daughter] was already in Jehovah's sanctuary serving Him.

Xmuslim:
of course their concept of is funny too.

But the fact that their own imaginary g God is not going to burn people in hell makes it far better than Muslim and Christian gods

Doesn't listen to LordReed. He's so ingrained in his debauchery and wants every other person to follow his unwise course as well. That's why his mind is always disturbing him when he sees people who want to learn the truth.

The Bible reads at 2Peter 3:9:

“Jehovah is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance”

If everyone on earth should attain to repentance and begin doing his will, of course he won't destroy anybody. But obviously that's not going to happen. Wicked and stubborn people will still be there even till the day Jesus comes as God's chief executioner. The wicked people in the world have to be cut off as you and me would agree. A time would come for that to happen (Psalm 37:10, 104:35; Proverbs 2:22, Matthew 25:46)

Despite that, God does not take delight in destroying the wicked people. He feels pain in his heart when he has to do away with wicked people. Because they are all his creation too. It is unthinkable for the true God to act wickedly (Job 34:10). He does not practice favouritism (Job 34:19)

Also at Ezekiel 33:11:

“Tell them, ‘“As surely as I am alive,” declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, “I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that someone wicked changes his way and keeps living. Turn back, turn back from your bad ways, for why should you die, O house of Israel?”’

Does the above passages I've quoted sound like the Almighty God is a wicked God as most religions have painted him?

wills2437:
Google for specs
Location-Lagos
Price-25k

Hot5 25k?
Bruh you can't even get a fairly used Hot 7 for 20k

Robjer:
yes chief I can vouch for him ..that’s if it actually matters to anyone here though

Lol are you the OP's alternate moniker?

Maximus69:
Says Solite3

Jehovah and Jesus not the same person

But later after some push here and there

Jehovah is Jesus

He changed his own trinity version again last night ooo

solite3:
does this not tell you that Jesus name is even more higher than Jehovah's name?

Now he's saying Jesus is greater than God
People sha