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CAPSLOCKED:
RELIGIOUS PEOPLE WILL CONFUSE YOU WITH THEIR CONFUSION THAT'S WHY I DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO THEM.

LOOK, CHRISTIANS ARE ONLY UNITED BY THEIR DISLIKE FOR MUSLIMS (AND ATHEISTS). BUT WHAT THEY CHERRY-PICK TO BELIEVE MAKES THEM DIFFERENT.

SOME BELIEVE THERE'S A HELL WITH FIRE AND THE DEVIL. SOME SAY THERE'S NO HELL.
SOME BELIEVE TELEVISED MIRACLES ARE REAL. MANY OTHERS (CATHOLICS ESPECIALLY) CLAIM THEY'RE ALL STAGED.
SOME BELIEVE THAT THE WORLD IS FLAT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE BIBLE. OTHERS BELIEVE WITH WHAT SCIENCE HAS TO SAY ABOUT THE EARTH AND OTHER GALAXIES.
SOME BELIEVE IN ASTROLOGY. SOME BELIEVE IN ASTRONOMY.
SOME BELIEVE THAT EVERY SIN ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE IS WRONG. OTHERS BELIEVE THAT FORNICATORS AND HOMOS ARE NOT DOING WRONG, AND GOD DOESN'T HATE THEM.
SOME STAND FOR FEMINISM. OTHERS CLING TO SUBJUGATION OF WOMEN.
SOME DO BUSINESS ON SABBATH, OTHERS FORBID IT.
ONE SIDE HAS NO CODE OF DRESSING, THE OTHER SIDE SAYS NO TO EARRINGS AND TROUSERS.

THESE PEOPLE PICK WHAT THEY WANT AND DISPOSE THE REST OF GOD'S ABSOLUTE WORD. THERE'S NO POINT PAYING THEM ATTENTION.

Xavfra:
So does that symbolise that there's no hell[fire]?

KNOWMORE56:
I always see reason Jesus is the true God in all your quotations.

'IN THE CHRIST ALL WILL BE MADE ALIVE'

One of the attributes of the ONLY TRUE GOD is that He gives life.

Jesus give life to ALL, no exception.

If you ask JWs "Jesus or Jehovah, who gives you life?"...

Let one of them answers,...

That 1 Corinthians 15: 22-28 explanation is as follows:

The only Creator of all things EXTENDED Himself in order to carry out the work of redemption.

That He extended/multiplied/increased Himself does not make Him lesser in any way.

It's a law that if one (1) increases itself it remains the same. Example

1×1×1=1.

There is nothing, as in the features/characteristics, that you will give to the 1st one (1) that is not in the rest.

The statement 'THEN THE SON HIMSELF WILL ALSO SUBJECT HIMSELF TO THE ONE WHO SUBJECTED ALL THINGS TO HIM, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL THINGS TO everyone.”
Simply means after redemption of the children of men is completed the extension will be cancelled!

When the Bible says THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL, It uses the same words for the Son:

*. Colossians 3 :11 "KJV:Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but CHRIST IS ALL, AND IN ALL.

So from the example above, you may give positions to them in order to show difference,

The truth is that one is one. After the equal sign (=) it is still 1(one), THE ALMIGHTY ONE!

solite3:
[s]you mean you can't honour Jehovah's word even if a gun was pointed on head?[/s]

[s] Trinitarians has solid evidence from the bible and that is all that matters [/s]

solite3:
[s] yes Joel 2: 32.

you have just agreed that Jesus is Jehovah,

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:


these verses was said to Jesus right?
wait a minute,

The above verse was taken from psalm 102, which was obviously, talking of Jehovah,

Psalms 102:24 I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: thy years are throughout all generations.

102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.[/s]

solite3:
To wit,

1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

To wit,

1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:


you see that Jesus is the kyrios they were calling on.

[s]I know where you are driving at, you will evenutally prove that Jesus is Jehovah.[/s]

solite3:
where did you see Jehovah in Romans 10 v13
◄ Romans 10:13 ►

Romans 10 - Click for Chapter

    Pas
Πᾶς
Whoever
gar
γὰρ
for
hos
ὃς
that
an
ἂν
 - 

epikalesētai
ἐπικαλέσηται
shall call upon

to
τὸ
the
onoma
ὄνομα
name

Kyriou
Κυρίου
of [the] Lord

N-sōthēsetai
σωθήσεται  .
will be saved
V-FIP-3S

solite3:
For those who might be reading,
this verse which is also connected with Hebrews, speak of Christ as the second Adam.

Hebrews 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?

2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Christ in his human nature was crowned with glory and honour and all things was put under him.
It is the Son as a man that will be made subject unto the Father, this means that the humanity of Christ would be totally controled by his Divine nature. presently now it is not yet so. when Christ was on earth, we saw for example that Christ was limited in many ways but when he (christ the man) is made subject to the father in totality, limitations would be totally off. But this also ,means that the door of Grace would be forever locked.

solite3:

Can anybody call on Jehovah's name be saved? No

does this not tell you that Jesus name is even more higher than Jehovah's name?

solite3:
of course the father is not subject to the son but rather the name of Jesus is lifted above every other name.
Can Demons be casted out using Jehovah's name? No
Can anybody call on Jehovah's name be saved? No

does this not tell you that Jesus name is even more higher than Jehovah's name?
God has made it so, It does not mean God is subject to Jesus.

In fact the name the father, Son and Holy Ghost has adopted is the name Jesus.

Can you give, any instance where Jehovah's name was used in baptism? No.

solite3:
whose name is exalted above all things,

Philippians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

How can Yahweh exalt another's name above his own name.

there is only one name through which one will be saved,

DrLiveLogic:
I saw them, nothing new or useful against my points. He doesn't understand the priesthood of Christ vs the Divinity of Christ. He's just quoting scriptures amiss. Probably, one of those guys that think they know the things of the Spirit but really just puffed up and have a lot to learn if they're humble.
Anyone who really understands the whole subject of Christ's divinity and humanity can trash all he wrote up there easily but I've already done a little of that that in my questions and the rest of my thesis will clear all doubts.
I have a reason I'm here, I wanna keep that in focus. All I wanna do here now is gather all JW lies and then trash them for good, open a thread that deals with these lies effectively and I'll be done with this subject and on to other things.
When I'm done with that thread, it will be clear what the bible really teaches and there should never be unnecessary arguments on the subject again.
It will only be left for everyone to choose what they want having full understanding of the whole subject.

freecocoa:
Jehovah witnesses, are among the dumbest sets of religious people out there.

I really wonder how grown adults follow stupid rules, made my men. The thing dey shock me, any adult who doesn't know by now, that religion as a whole, is a sham, will never have sense again.

That's how one JW neighbor of mine, almost fought me, because I said we must donate blood to her, if she needed it, mumu said we should let her die instead.

DappaD:
Jesus' disciples even after interacting with Jesus face to face and engaging in the ministry too did not understand fully all Jesus was preaching to them. On the day Jesus was resurrected from the dead, he appeared to two disciples on the road and began inquiring of them the latest happenings. (They did not recognize him all this while)

Luke 24:21

“But we were hoping that this man[Jesus] was the one who was going to deliver Israel. Yes, and besides all these things, this is the third day since these things occurred”

Jesus did not abandon them to their fate. Instead he made the understanding clearer for them.

Luke 24:25-27

“So he[Jesus] said to them: “O senseless ones and slow of heart to believe all the things the prophets have spoken! Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into his glory?” And starting with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them things pertaining to himself in all the Scriptures.”

So it's very necessary for understanding to be made clearer.

Maximus69:
Just quote a verse where the word TRINITY is found written in the scriptures that's all!

iamdannyfc:
Thanks for the contribution and for giving us the easy way out.
From your comment, i take that as the failure of the church and not the failure of God's word.
Thanks again

iamdannyfc:
Thanks for the contribution and for giving us the easy way out.
From your comment, i take that as the failure of the church and not the failure of God's word.
Thanks again

Maximus69:
I just pity him because he's trying really hard to refute what is obvious to everyone.
Jesus can't be the Almighty at the same time begging on his knees!

Maximus69:
Just calm down, we are reasoning together on what is written in the Bible.
When the scripture say Michael (Jesus) obtained a name it means he wasn't in that position from the beginning. He obtained it!

iamdannyfc:
So this is what is noteworthy before we can see the reason why God's word fail.
Okay


[s]JW and endtime prophecy sha.
Well according to your denomination, you predicted that the world will end in 1878,1881,1914,1918,1925,1975 and they all fail[/s] .
Can we attribute the failure to the word of God or the church?
Also you did not answer the last question,What happen to faith when we behold an evidence in reality and it is not in support of what we hope for?

Maximus69:
The Almighty has never gathered worshipers who failed to identify his personality and can't talk with oneness.
So let there Almighty unite them nah!

Who will like to worship a Confused God whose worshipers are Confused?

DrLiveLogic:
***Warning!!!!:*** Any JW that quotes me, if I hear "pim", you will meet with those 3 "gbosa" that you've been running from. and explain why the elders fall on their faces to worship Jesus, the Almighty.

DrLiveLogic:
There is no confusion in true Christianity, forget what you see on the surface. It all arises from poor learning and deviating from what Jesus taught. Every contradiction in Christianity comes with improper teaching and misunderstanding of scriptures like these JWs who cannot answer my questions have proven how badly they're taught.

But a proper teaching, no one will be able to gainsay. Have you seen any JW here able to stand up to my simple 3 question challenge. All of them running helter skelter.
Anyway, I can also tell you how you can always know the marks of who to listen to and who to avoid but not on this thread. Maybe when you tag me in another thread.

As for whether I'm a pastor, JWs always like to know that too, they've been tagging me that here so that I will respond but I have avoided that on this thread. So leave that one if you say you're not of them.

What matters is the Bible. I can help you there whenever you want.



Now let us leave trinity first, what did you understand about the three states of water?

achorladey:
Look at the BELOW.......Imitate their Faith book.....page 106 footnote to paragraph 22.
Links provided

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102013258

THE SOURCE of this “CALM, LOW VOICE” may have been the SAME Spirit who was used to deliver “JEHOVAH’S WORD” mentioned at 1 Kings 19:9. In verse 15, THIS SPIRIT is referred to simply as “JEHOVAH.” We might be reminded of the SPIRIT EMISSARY whom JEHOVAH used to GUIDE Israel in the WILDERNESS and of whom God said: “My NAME is WITHIN HIM.” (Ex. 23:21) We cannot be dogmatic on this point, of course, but it is worth noting that in his prehuman existence, Jesus served as “the Word,” the special Spokesman to Jehovah’s servants.​—John 1:1.

The above extract from the book(Imitate their Faith) is KEY as the answer derived from the questions below will have to be SUBSTITUTED back into above. Follow closely as much as possible. It will lead you to something interesting as it relates to JEHOVAH and JESUS in the land of JWs.

Question 1. Who is the SPIRIT EMISSARY whom JEHOVAH used to GUIDE Israel?

2. God sent which angel ahead of Israel when bringing them out of Egypt? (Ex. 23:20, 21)

Answer 1. It is reasonable to believe that the angel who had ‘Jehovah’s name within him’ was God’s firstborn Son, who later became Jesus.​—9/15, page 21.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010929#h=7:0-9:0

Answer 2. Spiritual Prince of Israel

2, 3. What ACTIVE role did GOD’S SON play in Israel?

2 Centuries before the founding of the Christian congregation, JEHOVAH had an ANGELIC LEADER over his people Israel. After bringing out of Egypt, Jehovah told them: “Here I am sending an ANGEL AHEAD of you to keep you on the ROAD and to bring you into the place that I have PREPARED. Watch yourself because of him and obey his voice. Do not behave rebelliously against him, for he will not pardon your transgression; because MY NAME is WITHIN HIM.” (Ex. 23:20, 21) It is reasonable to believe that this ANGEL, who had ‘Jehovah’s name within him,’ was GOD’S FIRSTBORN SON.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010685#h=4:0-6:0

So in essence the ANGEL here is JESUS CHRIST THIS SAME SPIRIT that was REFERRED to as JEHOVAH In 1 Kings 19:15.


Now let's substitute the answer back......

THE SOURCE of this “CALM, LOW VOICE” may have been the SAME JESUS who was used to deliver “JEHOVAH’S WORD” mentioned at 1 Kings 19:9. In verse 15, THIS JESUS is referred to simply as “JEHOVAH.” We might be reminded of the JESUS(EMISSARY) whom JEHOVAH used to GUIDE Israel in the WILDERNESS and of whom God said: “My NAME is WITHIN HIM.” (Ex. 23:21) We cannot be dogmatic on this point.......

@ DrLiveLogic JWs will tell you TRINITY is dead and buried but will be the first to jump on any thread about the same TRINITY.

They equally have their version of TRINITY which is

JEHOVAH_________JESUS_______ORGANIZATION(WTBTS as controlled by the Governing Body(not inspired)

yet they go against that of those they called CHRISTENDOM

FATHER________SON__________HOLY SPIRIT

In reality if your not a member of the ORGANIZATION you cannot have JESUS and JEHOVAH that's the biggest palaver of the whole scenario.

johnw47:
like all false jw's you say anything
tell me my what are my beliefs, oh sawdust for brainf false jw fool

better still post my quotes oh fearful one:

Rev 21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Maximus69:
It's OK let's forgive them again this second time!
Remember they're all coming each to spew his own PERSONAL gibberish against JWs, we know they're not in agreement over their useless Dogheads yet they've all refused to mention the name of their shrines they nicknamed Church.
OK two of them entered one chance over the personality of Jesus.
But me o, any other Trinitarian can come up i'll be ready to respond, as for Solite3 and DrLiveLogic, they must tell me the outcome of their family meeting before any further discussion!

johnw47:
lying blinded and confused know nothing false jw janosky

i said Jesus is YHWH not Father oh most big mumu

God(Father) and the Word is God(YHWH):

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.




2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.


you false jw's are so duh, over and over again, aren't you oh most duh janosky

solite3:
you presented no verse that states that Jesus is Angel Michael, at least [s]Trinitarians showed you verses that clearly states that Jesus is God.[/s]

solite3:
You just go all out like attack dog against what you don't even understand,
trinity never said Jesus and the father are same person.

solite3:
solite agree with Dr live that Jesus and Yahweh is one being.

Maximus69:
He thought we can easily forget the stupid Churchgoer gibberish himself and his brother spewed today!

He said ~ Jesus is not Jehovah
His brother~ Jesus is Jehovah

Instead of them to agree first he's coming to say nonsense and ingredients!

solite3:
You just go all out like attack dog against what you don't even understand,
trinity never said Jesus and the father are same person.

solite3:
solite agree with Dr live that Jesus and Yahweh is one being.