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TAO11:
The colonized one, who continues to be citizen of an Ife-colony (i.e. Ubinu kingdom), is here talking about colonizing others. How m0r0nically ironic!!!

see ogendengbe at your back!! na joke oo, no go fear die.

Who conquer and colonize who lol. Well it’s okay to push back at reality, u are being patriotic.. even the village u came from was once under the rule of Edo people.

Lol @ ubini Kingdom.. do u even understand that the word Ile Ibinu was a Yoruba label for the Edo people due to the constant wars Edo kings waged on Oyo empire and the Yoruba people. Yoruba people called Edo as Ado and not ibinu or ubini.
U know nothing.

TAO11:
Shut up, your Oba rolled on the floor begging and promising to offer Ogedengbe some of his queens. /s

I wonder how u would feel if we had actually burnt down Ife the way we burnt many Yoruba towns and villages when we were colonizing all of Yorubaland.
Abi u want to say we weren’t capable of doing it?

MetaPhysical:
When Ogedengbe came to sack Benin why did Oba appease him and begged for peace?

Why didnt Benin face and fight him?


I have the record. Lie so I can upload it.

Please post the record, post all of it and not parts. I have the record too..
Ogedengbe fled after he was warned of Benin soldiers marching on him. Maybe if u post all the record foolish TAO11 will see where it was mentioned that Benin Kingdom helped the Ekiti parapo in their war with Ibadan.

TAO11:
Bored or not bored, I will flog lies away from your body soul and spirit.

I know it hurts knowing Oduduwa the father of Yoruba race is an Arabo.. u guys started out as a conquered race.

TAO11:
Whether you give the name and author of the Benin mumble-jumble or not, I have already debunked it when I flogged you terribly till you fainted.

You haven’t started debunking yet oo. There’s a lot for u to debunk tonight. Time is 8.44 where u are so no worry we have the whole night.

gregyboy:
Davidnazee stop quoting fhis idiot he his obviously retard.......


He dubunked a full article you brought to him with just insult and not even mere claims or fact


Sometimes i think you're a mad woman behind the keys

Sorry to say but sincerely speaking you look mad
From your typing

Bro I don’t care about that idiot or what she or he thinks. I’m just bored I Dey use am kill the boredom.
This argument TAO is bringing up now is not new.. the Yorubas have been trying to paint their obscure history to make it look colourful.. TAO is just a new foolish fish in the pond.

TAO11:
In your tiny Benin mind any piece of mumble jumble is an article.

I won't blame a boy who can't tell the difference between a book and an article.


BTW mr boy, in which journal was your Edo "aRtIcLe" with no name and author published??

I have the name and author of the publisher but I won’t give it to u, make body Dey pepper u.
Unlike you, I’m not citing the works (speculation) of scholars who analyze ur myths to come up with stupid opinions.
My articles are from the type of history classified as reality.

TAO11:
I have already flogged you mercilessly on these Bini manufactured copy and paste.

And you ran away n@ked with your tiny d!ck.


Must I flog you to death before you confess


The only incontrovertible, undeniable and blatant historical fact is that:

The Edos were subjugated and are still being subjected since around the year 1200 till date and still counting.

The only way my dck can appear tiny is if ur tutu is very wide.. if it is not very wide (I don’t expect it to be tight) then my dck is big lol.

TAO11:
Ask your parents to call me, I will show them pictures of their Obas' skulls.

I know my comments are on google. And I am so so so so excited about it. That's the idea. So that I reach a wide range and variety of audience that all may know the truth about the suzerainty of Ife over Benin Kingdom.

Shut up and read more of real history from your uncle (history as it was on ground) not the speculations from scholars that tried to unravel the myths about Ife.
Enjoy reading...


No part of Ekiti was spared the agony of imperialist invasions…The rampaging Benin armies sacked Ogotun, Aramoko, some subordinate communities of Ijero, Ado communities such as Are, Afao, Ugbo (now Ilu) Omoba and Agbado and settled a large percentage of the haul of captives therefrom in Ikere, their garrison post.


Benin armies constantly waged wars of external aggressions on Ekitiland and other communities in different parts of old Ondo State in their quest for territorial expansion and control, among others. A good reference point is the Ado-Ikere relations that resulted to Benin pillage and attacks on Ado-Ekiti on several occasion. Olomola (1984:2-3) noted that Benin armies invaded parts of Ado kingdom a few times between 1500 and 1815.. Olomola further asserted that the Ewi actually devise a strategy of evacuating his capital city so that the Benin armies would not disturb the Ewi and the rest of his people in their new site.
Odo which was, before the Benin invasion a town of considerable size, broke up as the people sought the safety of rocky and forest recesses and Uyin and Igede lost part of their population in their fight against Benin in 1815.

The development of the Ado Kingdom was seriously affected by external invasion. These resulted in series of demographic upheavals with settlements constantly moved from one site to another. The most serious of these external invasions were by the "Edo" of Benin. They attacked and destroyed many settlements…in the Ado Kingdom… The Edos were invited by Ogoga, the third time the Edos were so invited to settle the quarrel between Ado and Ikere. The line of action they resolved to adopt was to bring all the villages under the ewi to Ikere, settle them there and in this way Ikere would be equal or even bigger than Ado. Ado would then be afraid of Ikere. The Benin soldiers came and sent words to the Ewi Aroloye… He refused to surrender. He did not in any way show that he was not ready for fight. Every town or village under him except Ijan were prepared to fight…


Every town or village under him (Ewi) except Ijan were prepared to fight… The Benin soldiers stormed Igbara-Odo and Ilawe and took them. At this time, Ado town had been vacated. Aroloye took the people to a place called Oke Oko Axis between Ifaki and Iworoko. Most of the gods Ado worshipped on that side: Olua at Eyio, Obanifon at Esure and Are, Ogbese and Orisala at Iworoko. The soldiers pitched their camps near Uyin (Iyin)…Ogbesi Okun, the then Oluyin …was conquered and killed. They proceeded to Igede, Awo and Esure and took them. The inhabitants of Igede then uder Okiribiti were driven in a north-easternly direction to a place called Oke Asha…Edo troops then marched to Iworoko…The soldiers entered Are…The same fate befell Afao. They were all taken to Ikere. The soldiers moved to Igbemo …entered Igbo-Omoba (now Ilu-Omoba)…The soldiers left Aisegba for Agbado and without delay took it and evacuated the people. Agbado was the last place under the Ewi. With the conquest, of Agbado, the soldiers seemed to have finished their job…’

Ewi Idagunmodo (1696-1710), Ewi Okinbaloye Aritawekun (1710-1722), Ewi Amono Ola (1722-1762), Ewi Afunbiowo (1762-1781), Ewi Akulojuorun (1781-1808), Ewi Aroloye (1808-1836) who reigned at Ado but were attacked successively by Benin hordes…‘During the reign of Ewi Aroloye, Ado-Ewi’s kingdom witnessed massive dislocation across the terrain as town dwellers and villagers ran for safety in different directions. Many of the captives from Iworoko, Are, Afao, Ugboomoba (now Ilumoba) and Agbado were taken to Ukere by Benin invaders’."[/b]


So my dear TAO11 you can see from the above article how the Edos subjugated you Yorubas.. We owned the Yorubas.. They were our subjects.. Only mistake we made was sparing Ife. We should have burnt it to the ground too..

TAO11:
Hahaha ... Have you forgotten to have brough this copy and paste before to my table and you received serious flogging for it.

You then promised never to be stupid again. Now you broke your promise of no-more-stupidity.

See link below for a reminder of the serious flogging you got on this same copied and pasted m0r0nic Benin lie above.

https://www.nairaland.com/5738539/benin-governor-kneels-greet-king/11#87682523

So it hurts to see ur foolish account of Ife discredited by a fellow Yoruba lol.
I’m bringing more from ur fellow Yorubas.

TAO11:
I knew you're dumb, and you too know you're dvmb. I am just waiting for you to openly admit it.

Having said that. Point out (with link, screenshot or quotation) where I said Old Ife was in Idah.

You read with your ANVS!!

Shut up and read this article from one of your uncles...


An editorial by a renowned Yoruba professor and historian.

Vanguard (Lagos)
EDITORIAL
July 7, 2004
Posted to the web July 7, 2004

The origin of the Benin and Yoruba empires of old have come to the fore and they have been subject of intense debate.
No doubt the origins of the two empires are obscure being deeply buried in legend and mythology and it is not easy to say what amount of history or the amount of embellished history they contain. In truth these traditions which on the surface try to account for the origin of these empires are perhaps little more than ideological chatters legitimizing the political systems, traditions, cultures, etc. of the people. This general position not withstanding, it is worthy of note that the Benin through their well renowned Arts and Craft recorded their history and event in addition to the account of the guild of oral recorders. The most contentious of this debate for now, however, is the Benin-Ife historical connection.

Many historians and social anthropologists especially the Yoruba historians have been greatly impressed by the tradition that the Yoruba Kingdom fathered the second Benin empire. According to Prof. A.B.Aderibigbe, "obviously there is an attempt in this story to gloss over what in fact was an alien imposition." Along the same line, Prof Michael Growder said that this tradition could be "a convenient legend to disguise what in fact was a conquest by the Oduduwa party".

Here however, the following points are worthy of note: First the Ife-Benin connection has been vigorously questioned by Prof. A.F.C. Ryder. He had pointed out that this tradition which seeks to connect Benin with Ife is suspect. He argues that throughout four centuries of contact between Benin and various European nations, in particular Portugal, there was no hint or reference to this relationship between the two empires. The tradition was not mentioned or recorded by any writer until after the British occupation of Benin in 1897. He also pointed out that the city of Ife is believed to be younger than Benin and therefore could not have fathered the second Benin Empire.

Second, according to Prof Ryder, by 1485 Benin was an impressive and large city. Judging by the evidence of European visitors, it was perhaps the largest and most impressive city which the Portuguese saw along the west coast of Africa. Recent archaeological evidence would seem to indicate that Ife was built probably not before the first decade of the 16th century while the capital of old Oyo, Yatenga, was built much later. This would seem to show that the complex political system of the Yoruba which the Benin Kingdom is believed to have descended must have originated much later than the Benin Kingdom.

Third, much of the evidence which is believed to corroborate the claims made in the traditions comes from enthnohistory, that is, historical speculations based on assumed logical sequence of development in the political system. This is most unreliable.

By the 15th Century, the Benin Kingdom had achieved the height of its greatness. It remained the most powerful and the largest Kingdom in the forest region of West Africa until about the end of the first half of the 17 century. During these two centuries of its ascendancy Benin empire stretched as far west as Lagos, Badagry and Whyidah (Dahomey). On the north-west it stretched as far as Ekiti, Akure and Owo. Towards the north, it stretched to Ishan Country and the southern position of Idah. Finally on the east it incorporated at various times various portions of Ika-Ibo and as far as the River Niger.

Prof. Biobaku has suggested that the eastern fringe of what is now Yorubaland was in pre-Yoruba days thinly inhabited by the ancestors of the modern Benin people, a people which he called the Efa. And if recent archaeological evidence would seem to indicate that Ife was built not before the first decade of the 16th century thereby making it to be younger than Benin, then the Oranmiyan tradition has been miscon-strued and the Benin version (The Oba of Benin's version,), not Egharervba's version, becomes more tenable.

TAO11:
Nobody said anything like Idah existed then.

These stiffs are bigger than your brain as you can see little boy.

Call me your paren-- u filled the gap. good boy.

See this fool. Are u not the one that said old Ife is in idah. or u are quick to loose ur sense? Keep looking for ur origin.. u won’t find anything because even your ancestors don’t know their origin.
Yoruba history started with Oduduwa when he arrived from Mecca.

BabaRamota1980:
So you are the freak saying Benin is from Nupe and Igalah.

Are you not informed that the original Ife is not the Ife we have now, and that in the old Ife there was one nation and everyone else branched out from the common source as their origin?

So if you are from Igala Ife is not your mate. You are from a group who has claimed that they are cousins to Yoruba Ife.

Why do I need to care if you come from Yoruba or not?

The ones in Igalah you claim to come from say they have allegiance to Yoruba.

Look at how you guys have rubbished your history on internet. Very tragic!

The only people that claim to branch out of mythical ife are the Yoruba people so be specific, don’t make it seem like other tribes branch out of your mythical Ife. .

TAO11:
I did not even want to go into the old Ife argument yet with them.

Little did these guys know that the Niger-Benue confluence that Ryder (1965) suggested (although wrongly) as the Ogane's kingdom was with Ife in mind.

He argued with many citations that Old Ife used to be in the Niger Benue confluence, and that's true. All scholars agree. Till date there is till an Ife in Idah. Their key deity is called Olojo. Their king goes by the title Onu.

But the strong point scholars brought up against Ryders suggestion of the 1400 Ogane being there is that, as at the time d;Aveiro documented in the late 1400 today's Ife had been established many centuries earlier.

So if u agree that old Ife was in Niger Benue confluence and u say it was Yoruba then u mean Yoruba originally came out of Niger Benue area, idah to be precise??
More confusion and contradictions from the Yorubas. You guys are a lost race.
But I wish you luck as u try to discover ur roots. U probably came out of Enugu.

BabaRamota1980:
Tao, very good job.
Excellent! Excellent!! Excellent!!!

Please dont stay too long in exchange with these barbaric de-civilized people. They are always bitter, angry, rebellious, cursing, witchery, conflicts. Dont habg around their negative energy. Say what you want and disengage dont let their bitterness rub offf.

Go in their history you will see what im saying.

Owodo curse his own only child
Odionwere cursed his father.
One chief fvckd the Ogiso wife
The ogiso wife sef poisoned king
Another chief ran mad
An ogiso banished his son

They are always in banishment of one sort or the other.

They are forsaken. Oranmiyan did not lie, these people are not civilized and they are always in bitterness.

Q

Go in your history..

Oduduwa came from Mecca and conquered u
Nupe conquered u
Great benin conquered u and beheaded many Yoruba rulers
Dahomey conquered u.
Fulani conquered u and still enslaving u till tomorrow

So who is actually cursed??

TAO11:
You sound bitter.

Oya tell me why. Or call me your parents if you can't talk.

If you tell me, I will ask the Nupe/Igala peoples to accept your application to become slaves in Igala/Nupe kingdom. I promise.

Don’t forget half of Yoruba was enslaved by Benin Kingdom for hundreds of years.
My ancestors enslaved and ruled your ancestors.

TAO11:
Your dumbness na follow come:

Your statement sounds to me like.

if Obasanjo is Ebora-Owu like u said, then when did his name become Obasanjo ..... Craze man talk ... You better go chop sh!t for dinner as always.

Moreover, he isn't coming back to talk to you. He already agreed with you 100% when you said you, davidnazee have nothing to offer. Face me!

So u mean his full name is Osin Ora Oduduwa.. Na wa nothing we no go hear from these Yorubas.
Well it’s good u guys are trying to figure out ur dim history..

OgboAto:
This is unclear, care to reword? Thank you.

There really isn't more to share on it. Let us just say that it was Oyo that said Oduduwa descended with a chain & again migrated from the East.

This East has been taken to be Mecca by Oyo Muslims; Sudan by Prof. Biobaku; Egypt by some old fellow with degree in Theology; & lastly, Igodomigodo/Ughoton by the Bini.

All of these Mecca, Sudan, Egypt & Igodomigodo/Ughoton claims were attempts to hijack the East migration tradition. Now what I think I just need to share with you is that this tradition of origin is not Ife's record of the origins of Osin Ora [Oduduwa] and that your people & king wrote a story to respond to a false narrative from Oyo.

If Oduduwa was Osin Ora like u said, when did his name change from Osin Ora to Oduduwa, why is he called Oduduwa and not Osin Ora? Is oduduwa is middle name, surname or title? Why is he known as oduduwa and not Osin Ora?

I know u will say his name was Osin Ora Oduduwa Adebola

TAO11:
Shut up! He is a historian, and you sh!t as well as a sh!t eater.

He never agreed to any of your Bini lies.

The only point he agreed with you on is when YOU admitted to having nothing to offer.

Shut up there. He is not a historian, he is just another foolish revisionist like you bringing another confusing account about Ife history pushing Ife further in mythology rather than reality..

TAO11:
Found his exact words. He wrote and I quote here:

"I won’t provide evidence so go hug transformer."

See link:
https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained/18#88338204

See also attachment in case he modifies:

I see you are still looking for transformer to hug lol.
Anyways have your resolved the conflicting details between u and your revisionist brother OgboAto?
Both of u are confused idiots lol.

OgboAto:
You're a mis-educated illiterate.
The entire board is beyond you. I wonder why TAO11 is wasting her knowledge on you & you should consider yourself lucky that she is.
I won't waste my time engaging you.

u are the one coming up with your own revisionist account of oduduwa.. why are u upset if I interpret your words in the most reasonable way? Go read ur account of oduduwa again.
What is TAO11 knowledgeable in? You are obviously confused.

OgboAto:
Johnson was at no time a historian, he was a doctor who reduced Oyo history for Yoruba & his contemporary events to writing. The latter part containing data on the Ekitiparapo wars & the establishment of colonial government are regarded among the academic historians as solid.

Having said that, the only reason the early history of Ife [not necessarily the whole of Yoruba] appears not to add up is because the Oyo who had some of the early writers and close contacts with the European skewed history to give their throne a background for the fraudulent position they ascribed to it & have continued to struggle to sustain by citing archival documents about salary scale and signatures with the Europeans - former was based solely on population & the latter was based on Samuel Johnson factor as he acted as the Alaafin's interpreter/writer among other factors.

This misfired and baseless history was what Bini king attempted to provide an alternative for. There really is no problem to be resolved, everyone just needs to recognise that Oyo's history is not Yoruba's national history and certainly not the history of Ile-Ife.

I think you have more sense than that idiot Tao.. at least you agree stories about Ife are grounded on myths and lies and don’t add up.

TAO11:
You are a liar. The historians didn't say Ife or Oyo. They said Benin. See below

"Towards the end of the seventeenth century, ... the Edo Kingdom of Benin had been racked for some years by civil war. ..., Benin City had been sacked and in his day ("1699 -1701" ) was reduced to a 'mere village'."

Reference:
Paula-Ben Amos Girshick and John Thornton: "Civil War in the Kingdom of Benin, 1689 -172: Continuity or Political Change", Journal of African History, 42 (2001), p.353.


And for Oduduwa, we learn Yoruba History from History books not popular Google result.

The mythical "Izoduwa", for example, is portrayed as a real human being on wikipedia, but guess what historians say. They say no human of such ever existed.

You are a fool oo. U post only what historians said about Benin but ignored what they said about Oyo and Ife. Oyo was in ruins and Ife non existent.

Yoruba history and historians say Oduduwa was a foreigner also known as Larmoudu from Mecca.
Well u are a revisionist so u can also debunk and argue Yoruba history too.

TAO11:
Guess what he is not foolish, and I was the first to like and share his comment before I got banned.


You confirmed again that you're scared of reading.

He simply agreed with me that the Benin girl I was replying to was foolish. He also agreed that the former Oba Of Benin was foolish.

He then agreed with me that: Oduduwa is a Ife-Yoruba man.


Go back and read the comments again, but this time take your brain along with you.

So if he agreed with you that oduduwa is Yoruba from Ife, do u agree with him that oduduwa was a coup plotter who was murdered and his followers banished and Oranmiyan came back with guns blazing? Lol una no well sha

TAO11:
Oduduwa is from Ife. Yoruba. Strong Suicide loading in Benin Kingdom tonight .....................

No I didn't say Benin is great. I simply said it was grounded into a mere village. And I cited scholars, Ben-Amos and Thornton.


Do you want to read what they said in details. Did you stop getting scared of reading

Oyo was rendered desolate and in ruins, Ife was non existent only in legends, so if u say Benin turned into a village (not true btw) there’s nothing new there.. all Kingdoms decline

As for Oduduwa, he is not Yoruba, no Yoruba blood in him.. He is a foreigner from Mecca.. type oduduwa in google and that’s the only result u will get. He is a foreigner if u like enter deep sleep, when u wake up he will still be a foreigner from Mecca.

TAO11:
No I don't have a foolish brother. Neither did any Yoruba here say Oduduwa plotted any coup.




Oduduwa is an Ife-Yoruba man. I know this is about to make you commit suicide, but please don't. Just cry that's enough.

I know you were shocked when you saw what your foolish brother wrote about oduduwa because that’s the only Yoruba person post u did not comment on. You no get sense sha.

So some Yorubas regard oduduwa as a coup plotter lol.

TAO11:
If you like say MULTIVERSALLY regarded.
No one is taking you serious if you don't provide at least a shred of evidence. CRY IF U WANT ... SHA DONT COMIT SUICIDE.

Cry ke lol.. no I feel sorry for u instead. You are trying to understand what makes Benin great instead of u to try understand your very faint history that’s filled with myths and confusion.
Mugu go and find out where Oduduwa is from..

TAO11:
Did you just call your Oba foolish when you saw what he said right before you in ink and paper.

Wow, I'm making this kids turn against their Obas.

You just joined the list of Edos that will be sacrificed by the Oba Of Benin to Ososmaye.


And regarding "east", you raised it before, then I lectured you on it, then you ran away.

No it is your Oni that u called foolish because he doesn’t even know his true origin..

TAO11:
Evidence are not flowers and buildings around me.

PROVIDE EVIDENCE IF YOU CAN ....... I BEND if you can provide anything.

If you're humble enough to learn, then you shall leave Nairaland tonight smarter.

Oduduwa is universally regarded to be a foreigner from Mecca get that into your fish brain.
I won’t provide evidence so go hug transformer.

TAO11:
First: Oduduwa is an Ife-Yoruba man. The part that destroys every thing you stand for.

Moving on ... I have answered you on how Oduduwa is our father. You just proved again that you are amn@siac.

He is not a coup plotter
No coup failed because he didn't do any.
His followers were never banished
Ife became greater and greater till the Edos started calling its ruler God Almighty as I have shown from the lips of Erediauwa I and Eweka II



Be humble and I shall teach you without collecting a dime, as always.

So your foolish brother was lying when he said oduduwa was a coup plotter and his followers banished.
Okay that leaves us with the Mecca version which says he is a foreigner.

I won’t ask u for evidence that support ur claim that he is Ife because there’s none. He is an Arab from Mecca.

TAO11:
Me: Oyo forced tributes from Benin. see: Crowther, Johnson.

Me: Benin was reduced to mere village. see: Ben-Amos and Thornton.



You: Let me say many lies. In the end I will now say: these are known facts. Then people will believe me and not ask for evidence.

Idiot Why do u always ask for evidence when you deny all the evidence around you that oduduwa is a foreigner from Mecca?
Or should we accept the new version that says he is a failed coup plotter?

TAO11:
hahahaha! I know you're pained.

Listen ant brain ... Oduduwa is a Yoruba man from Ife. I know this fact pains you like your life depends on it.

No I think their is a mix up here oo because it is your brothers gregyboy and samuk who have spent (and are still spending) all their days and night on Nairaland here seriously begging the Nupe and Igalas to accept the Binis and the Obas of Benin as slaves.

Gregyboy recently added Bini-Kebbi to the list of places he looks up to as slavemaster kingdom. Ask him.





For Oghene and The, well let's listen to two Obas of Benin.

Eweka I, Erediauwa II, and One historian.

(a) In his "May 2004 The Benin-Ife Comnection", Omo N'Oba Erediauwa II noted emphatically that Oduduwa (who was the Ooni of Ife during his days) was known by the Benin people as Oghene n'Uhe.

Refer to the link below for "Oghene n'Uhe" in Oba Erediauwa II's May 2004 work: https://www.edo-nation.net/erediauwa1.htm

(b) Citing different instances of Ife's political influence as exercised through the Ifa cult, Robin Horton alludes to a Benin tradition in his 1979 "Ancient Ife: A Reassessment" as follows:

"Yet another tradition, this time from Benin, tells how the oracle of the Oghene of Uhe ("Oni of Ife" ) forewarned the Oba of Benin of impending calamity a few years before the disastrous encounter with the British."

Reference:
Robin Horton, "Ancient Ife: A Reassessment", Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria, Vol 9. No. 4 (June 1979), p.124.

You are a fool. Is Ife east of Benin?
Why will Oba of Benin refer to Ooni as Oghene in the 1920s? Ooni as always been called Ooni not Oghene.
Try get some sense.