TAO11: There is actually an interesting way by which lies exposes itself.
Your attached anonymous piece of writing which you intended as the evidence for your wild and rash laughable claim (that the Bini conquered the Ijebu people) turned out to be the actual evidence against you.
Your attached anonymous piece of writing shows at least two imporatant things:
1. That the author was clearly uncertain what the name Jaboe refers to.
2. It shows how unreliable and undependable the story of the supposed conquering of the so-called Jaboe by Benin actually is.
This is because the source of the story, Olfert Dapper (despite having written about Benin and other places in the world) actually never travelled outside of the Netherlands throughout his entire life.
Yet this is the same man (the primary source) whom all Benin bloggers and propagandist quote (without knowing) whenever they paint the infamous imaginary laughable Benin with street lights, shiny walls, clean street, etc.
In sum, Ijebu was never described as Jaboe in any classical European writting.
The known variant spelling for "Ijebu" in a classical European document is put as "Geebuu".
And this is found in a 16th century note by a Portuguese trader on the West African coast, Duarte Pacheco Pereira (an actual visitor and eyewitness unlike your Olfert Dapper). Pereira notes in relation to the Ijebu city wall:
"Twelve or thirteen leagues upstream from Lagos there is a large town called Geebuu, surrounded by a very large ditch."
Reference: Duarte Pacheco Pereira: Esmeraldo de Situ Orbis, quoted in R. Smith; Kingdoms of the Yoruba, p. 75.
So, good luck to you searching for the Jaboe which your Benin conquered.
cc: Sewgon79
I see that you are still bothered by the evidence I showed you lol. What difference does it make if a Portuguese man spell it as Geebuu and an English man spell it as Jaboe? Everyone know that they are referring to Ijebu.. bro u can’t change history.
Sewgon79: I taught you have brain, now I see that you are brainless, me I gave you Gazette of British Museum of pictures of organise meetings between British Governor and the Obas and they were ranked accordingly. Instead you are scanning 2013 Magazine published and make photocopy and mistaken it for Gazette.
I can see that now, you are the most dumb human in existence. I don't need to argue with foolish head and brainless like you.
Na wa. Your mumu no get second. Didn’t you see the heading of that ranking of Kings? It says “Lord Lugard’s memoranda “. Don’t u know who lord lugard is? Or u don’t know the meaning of memoranda?
That your picture doesn’t say anything. It’s a group picture and Ooni was the host of that event hence he sat in the middle. You are soo dumb to think sitting in middle in a group picture makes u the head.
Sewgon79: Your forge and edited paper, this picture says otherwise
Poor you. I sense disappointment in you seeing a 1917 British document that ranked Oba of Benin much higher than your small Ooni and your Ijebu king lol. Everyone knows it’s Awolowo that elevated Ooni to his present position. See the document again and cry.
Sewgon79: Please let them see the gathering and respect given to Oonirisa with pictures taken during colonial era
I always said you and Tao are foolish boys. Look at the colonial era rankings of Nigeria kings by your British colonial masters. Oba of Benin as always been greater than your Oni.
Sewgon79: What is a just an idea, no fact. According what you posted, it said Jebou, well IJEBU is IJEBU not Jebou. And all the theory in your book have no concret fact. Just hearsay or idea.
Sewgon79: I was thinking you said they enslave Yoruba, who doesn't know that Benin went back to claim their brother who are in Àkókò and those Ondo State Ekiti that share same similarities and traditions with Benin.
What I am expecting to hear is that they, overcame Ijebu. Because me I know my IJEBU people, we will finish you guys with invisible Juju. The one you can't see.
Sewgon79: I was thinking you said they enslave Yoruba, who doesn't know that Benin went back to claim their brother who are in Àkókò and those Ondo State Ekiti that share same similarities and traditions with Benin.
What I am expecting to hear is that they, overcame Ijebu. Because me I know my IJEBU people, we will finish you guys with invisible Juju. The one you can't see.
Ok so you agree Benin ruled Eastern Yorubaland for hundreds of years.
Sewgon79: Please do tell me the story or history of when Yoruba were enslave by Benin kingdom. Cuz I haven't heard about it before.
So you don’t know that almost half of Yorubaland was under Benin rule.. even before the British carried out the punitive expedition against Benin, Benin have been carrying out punitive expeditions against Yoruba anytime they misbehave. Read below..
Warfare, Banditry and Rebellion: Ethnicity and Slave Recruitment in Northeastern Yorubaland, 1820-1893
Eastern Yorubaland also felt the impact of its powerful eastern neighbor, Benin. When Benin invaded Ekiti between 1818-1823, the aim was to quell provincial revolt and regain control over the region’s economy. Indeed by reasserting control over the trade routes, which linked it with Yorubaland, Benin strengthened the position of its long distance traders, the Ekhengbo (from Ekhen Egbo) (ekhen, traders; egbo, forest). Akure and Benin traditions agree that the invasion of Akure was precipitated by a commercial dispute following an attack on a Benin tobacco trader, Ogonto, who was accused of violating an Akure law. Even though the information is scanty, it is possible to situate the Benin invasion at this time and the economic dispute at its root, within the context of the rise in the supply of slaves by the wars in Yorubaland and Hausaland. Benin traders would have desired to tap into the northern Yoruba slave fields as well as send foreign goods into the interior. They would have also wanted alternative markets, even if temporary, to counterbalance the disruptive effect of the Nupe political crisis on Benin’s trade with the Niger. Consequently, Benin soldiers, under Ologbosere Imaran and Ezemo Erebo, carried out punitive expeditions, which left so much destruction that the fear of Benin lingered on till the early years of colonial occupation. Several Ekiti, Akoko and Owo towns were sacked and in them were created Benin colonies under the Balekale (consuls).
With the victory, Benin reasserted its control over trade in Ekiti, Owo and Akoko, and Benin enclaves in Owo, Akure, Ikere and Ado-Ekiti became the nexus of trade between Benin and Yorubaland. Both Akure and Idanre traditions agree that owing to Benin commercial activities, a nineteenth century ruler, Deji Gbogi and an influential woman, Olokoju both of Akure founded Alade village/market (near Idanre) as a meeting point for Ekiti, Idanre, Ondo, Owo, Ijebu, Benin and Ijesa traders. Imported items such as guns, salt and metal implements from Benin were sold as far as Ilesa, Ekiti and Ilorin. This earned the Ekhengbo the distinction of being called the “first long-distance traders in Ekiti.” Although the Akure king’s list seems to put Igbogi in an earlier century, the reference to the importation of guns would put his reign in the mid-nineteenth century. Most significant was that commercial metal products point to the position of Akure as a regional market. As we shall show in chapter four, Benin traders undermined direct commercial contacts between Ekiti and Ondo for a greater part of the century.
TAO11: Hahaha somebody is already scared of what is to come.
No! Scholars the world over, and Yorubas generally at home and in the diaspora including as far as the Ga people of Ghana care about Ife so much.
Moreover, you should be worried that the earliest extant documentation of West African monarchies makes no mention of your Benin kingdom.
But instead discusses the Mâlli kingdom and its lavishly rich sovereign as well as the Ife country and its "powerful" sovereign. Lol.
The 1352 documentation of Ibn Battûta further describes Ife as the country where no white man can enter because the Ife people would have killed them even before they woukd approach.
[These are sneakpeaks more is to come in my upcoming post]
We comment so passionately about Benin kingdom for no other reason but to kill your lies right there and then as y'all are widely reputed as notorious unrepentant liars.
See what my ancestors did to your ancestors lol. Even your Yoruba historians acknowledge Benin was an imperial power.
TAO11: Thanks much! I have seen the video many, many times. Edo children like ghostown love to keep live in denial though, even after explicit statement in the documentary at time-stamp 47:16 to 49:00 states clearly that:
The kings of Benin kingdom pay homage to Ile-Ife.
But to the Edo nairalanders, all the experts are colluding with Yoruba people to conspire against Edo.
#PersecutionComplex at its finest.
An editorial by a renowned Yoruba professor and historian.
Vanguard (Lagos) EDITORIAL July 7, 2004 Posted to the web July 7, 2004
The origin of the Benin and Yoruba empires of old have come to the fore and they have been subject of intense debate. No doubt the origins of the two empires are obscure being deeply buried in legend and mythology and it is not easy to say what amount of history or the amount of embellished history they contain. In truth these traditions which on the surface try to account for the origin of these empires are perhaps little more than ideological chatters legitimizing the political systems, traditions, cultures, etc. of the people. This general position not withstanding, it is worthy of note that the Benin through their well renowned Arts and Craft recorded their history and event in addition to the account of the guild of oral recorders. The most contentious of this debate for now, however, is the Benin-Ife historical connection.
Many historians and social anthropologists especially the Yoruba historians have been greatly impressed by the tradition that the Yoruba Kingdom fathered the second Benin empire. According to Prof. A.B.Aderibigbe, "obviously there is an attempt in this story to gloss over what in fact was an alien imposition." Along the same line, Prof Michael Growder said that this tradition could be "a convenient legend to disguise what in fact was a conquest by the Oduduwa party".
Here however, the following points are worthy of note: First the Ife-Benin connection has been vigorously questioned by Prof. A.F.C. Ryder. He had pointed out that this tradition which seeks to connect Benin with Ife is suspect. He argues that throughout four centuries of contact between Benin and various European nations, in particular Portugal, there was no hint or reference to this relationship between the two empires. The tradition was not mentioned or recorded by any writer until after the British occupation of Benin in 1897. He also pointed out that the city of Ife is believed to be younger than Benin and therefore could not have fathered the second Benin Empire.
Second, according to Prof Ryder, by 1485 Benin was an impressive and large city. Judging by the evidence of European visitors, it was perhaps the largest and most impressive city which the Portuguese saw along the west coast of Africa. Recent archaeological evidence would seem to indicate that Ife was built probably not before the first decade of the 16th century while the capital of old Oyo, Yatenga, was built much later. This would seem to show that the complex political system of the Yoruba which the Benin Kingdom is believed to have descended must have originated much later than the Benin Kingdom.
Third, much of the evidence which is believed to corroborate the claims made in the traditions comes from enthnohistory, that is, historical speculations based on assumed logical sequence of development in the political system. This is most unreliable.
By the 15th Century, the Benin Kingdom had achieved the height of its greatness. It remained the most powerful and the largest Kingdom in the forest region of West Africa until about the end of the first half of the 17 century. During these two centuries of its ascendancy Benin empire stretched as far west as Lagos, Badagry and Whyidah (Dahomey). On the north-west it stretched as far as Ekiti, Akure and Owo. Towards the north, it stretched to Ishan Country and the southern position of Idah. Finally on the east it incorporated at various times various portions of Ika-Ibo and as far as the River Niger.
Prof. Biobaku has suggested that the eastern fringe of what is now Yorubaland was in pre-Yoruba days thinly inhabited by the ancestors of the modern Benin people, a people which he called the Efa. And if recent archaeological evidence would seem to indicate that Ife was built not before the first decade of the 16th century thereby making it to be younger than Benin, then the Oranmiyan tradition has been miscon-strued and the Benin version (The Oba of Benin's version,), not Egharervba's version, becomes more tenable.
According to this version the boy disinherited through the conspiracy of the barren wives of Oba Owodo (The last of the Ogiso dynasty) was called Ekaladerhan. The embassy sent by the leading personalities in Benin after the failure of Evian to establish his dynasty was to help locate this disinherited boy (Ekakaladerhan) to come and occupy the throne which rightly belonged to him.
Before he was located, however, he had settled at Ife (Uhe) on the eastern fringe of the Yoruba Kingdom and he was now called, Oduduwa which was corrupted from Imadoduwa (meaning I have not missed the destined road to greatness). On receipt of the emissaries from Benin, he sent his son, Oranmiyan as he was too old to return to Benin. Oranmiyan and his party took up residence at Uzama and from there they sought to rule Benin. But Oranmiyan, having been born and brought up outside Benin tradition, found it difficult to rule the kingdom and therefore met with so much opposition to his rule that he decided to withdraw from Benin. Fortunately before he withdrew, he has put a daughter of a Benin chief in a family way and the offspring was called Eweka who thus became the first king of the Eweka dynasty which rules in Benin till date.
From the above historical facts provided by seasoned indigenous and foreign histo-rians, corroborated by archa-eological evidence, it is incon-trovertible that Odudu-wa (Imadoduwa) is the same Benin prince (Ekaladerhan) who left Benin and finally settled on the eastern fringe of Yoruba Kingdom where his sudden appearance was a fulfilment of a divine prediction of Ifa that God (Olodumare) would send them a king to settle the existing rift over succession. It is not surprising therefore that the Yorubas generally believed that Oduduwa came from God and descended from the sky.
Sewgon79: See you, you are shouting here as if it is only Benin that fought British Colonial. Have you heard about Imagbon War. Maybe you should do. Ijebu are not coward that will just kill unprepared British soldiers, we ijebu fight them battles for battle. That is reason Ijebu was not colonised till today.
The British army all sleep off and disappeared till today. Nothing to write stories about. British were stop at entry of Imagbon coming through Benin into Ijebu.
Go and confirm, our king didn't need to run, we were not conquered.
No your king didn’t run just as no Yoruba kings ran.. they all knelt down and hands up when they saw the whiteman. Your kings were not conquered, they submitted themselves and their people to the British free of charge.
TAO11: It's been some time that I've been hoping to create a quite detailed academic thread on the primacy and the imperial might of ancient Ife in the West Africa region.
People generally tend to over-focus their attention solely on Oyo and Benin kingdoms, thus often ignoring the fact that before these two kingdoms attained "imperial" status (or even before they were founded), the West African region had a military, economic, artistic, and religious advanced super power --- Ife.
In fact, the insult gets more worrissom when some even dare to ask who is greater Ooni or Alaafin? Some even ask Ooni or Oba of Benin?
It's no more than asking which is brighter: a sunny day or a moonless night?
These unfortunate comparisons pop-up on Nairaland, I think because, most discussions about ancient Ife almost always centers around the mythical aspects only with little or no academic substantiation.
It's hightime amateurish non-acadamic pseudo-historical narratives are dropped for good, and history is presented as it was, and as is been preserved in extant historical sources.
Someone should please guide me with a simple step-by-step procedure to creating a thread.This topic is long overdue.
I am obviously not very savvy with interacting with this platform.
Boy I can bet anything that any thread you create about Ife will only recieve a few comments, because nobody gives a damn about Ife.. Ife wasn;t great like you decieve yourself, wasn't an empire, no army, no conquests, nothing interesting about it.. Create a thread and see how disappointed you will be.. Even your Yoruba brothers won't comment because there's nothing to say about Ife. But write one sentence about Great Benin and see thousands of comments, even you and your Yoruba brothers will comment over a 100 times.. Because Imperial Benin was great and mighty and powerful compared to all Yoruba kingdoms.
TAO11: Warning!!! The following comment contains logic, reason, proof, and historical references:
I'm about to explain how "infinitesimal calculus" works to a "pre-schooler". Isn't that a "failed" mission even before beginning at all? Lol.
I will proceed, anyways, only for the sake of the unsuspecting and untrained readers whom you're all out to deliberately trick.
(1) Now that you've began your comment above with accusations of lies and deception, by the end of this comment we would have seen to what extent your accusations hold water.
Having said that, to what extent are you, the accuser, even truthful, straightforward, and consistent with your successive claims? Let's find out:
(a) You had noted that it was the bRiTiSh who made the Ooni of Ife relevant.
You have, however, shamelessly failed repeatedly to substantiate the foregoing insanely ridiculous claim with any shred of historical evidence. How truthful and straightforward of you!
Oh I have an idea! The evidence you're too shy to provide could be that the British monarchy originally derives from Ile-Ife, hence the unwavering loyalty of the British to make the Ooni relevant, and rubbish Ovonramwen in contrast.
(b) You had noted that Oyo was never recorded as an empire, and that the only empire recorded in the south of today's Nigeria is Benin.
Well, just like the above you've repeatedly failed up to this point to adduce even one letter of the alphabet in an attempt to substantiate this utterly ridiculous grandiose claim, despite being challenged to do so, and despite the Encyclopaedia Britannica evidence to the contrary. How truthful and straightforward of you!
Need I continue on your truthfulness and straighforwardness?
You noted that you had expected me to be "finally ready to actually study history", which obviously means that I should prioritize the submissions of the experts, historians, archaeologists, et al. over and above my personal wish (which is what I do anyway).
However, you couldn't wait to contradict your self when, in point number (2), you noted that the account I had culled from "The Art of Benin" (by Margaret Plass and with heavy inputs from William Fagg) is a myth.
How could you possibly, with a stable mind demand historical accounts and then turn around to scream "myth" when your request is put before you citing "The Art of Benin" an academic article published in The Penn Museum's Expedition, Vol. 1, Issue 4, Summer 1959, with inputs from experts --- Margaret Plass and William Fagg??
The only logical explanation behind why you became unstable is that you personally passionately dislike what the account says.
Let me know if there is a different reason why you became unstable.
(2) Furthermore, you noted that nobody who could write had visited the West Africa region in the year 1280, hence the account of the historians (which I only cited, and with verifiable referencing) is false.
Not only are your claims here obviously mutually contradictory, laughable, and without any shred of right thinking whatsoever; how you manage to beleive you're right and the experts of Benin History are all wrong is still beyond me.
Anyways, I am happy to educate you, and obliterate some of the ignorant assumptions behind your laughable and mutually contradictory claims here.
(a) The earliest Portuguese seafarers (led by João Afonso d'Avieros) who visited in the year 1480 are not the earliest literate travellers to visit the West Africa region.
(b) Literate travellers, chroniclers, historians, or seafarers, et al. have visited the West Africa region and documented customs, etc. prior to the 1400s.
(c) In fact, the explorer and scholar Ibn Battûta documented in his 1352 Voyages to Asia and Africa about the Mâlli kingdom and its wealthy sovereign, as well as about the Ife country and its "powerful" sovereign.
The popularity, in Europe, of his account on these West African monarchies led the Europeans to beleive that one of them may be the legendary Prester John.
(d) Furthermore, it is utterly absurd and unthinkable to contend that extremely important names, events, and customs about the year 1280 would have been completely wiped off the memory of every living individual in the West Africa region at the time Ibn Battûta visited the region.
(e) Moreover, contrary to your amateurish subtle spinning, the account does not definitively establish the year to be 1280. Rather, as is to be expected, it was given along the professional lines of circa1280.
(e) However, what is most important in the final analysis is that:
If presented with the options of choosing between what you (ghostwon) have to say, and what the academics and experts (i.e. Margaret Plass, William Fagg, et al.) have to say on the Ife-Benin relationship; every right thinking, stable, and sane human being will go with the experts and forsake you.
And as I have cited earlier, the submission of the experts in this regard (which you obviously strongly dislike) is that:
The kings of Benin kingdom acknowledge the kings of Ife as their overlord --- spiritual overlord for that matter.
Reference: Margaret Plass, The Art of Benin: "An Evaluation Based on Discussions with William Fagg, Deputy Keeper of Ethnography in the British Museum", The Penn Museum's Expedition, Vol. 1, Issue 4, Summer 1959, p. 2.
See also attachment below.
(4) Did you just say no need to reply you??
Is this how you will plead for mercy?? Lol. Anyways, there is no need pleading with me not to expose you for the fatuous liar that you are.
As it is obvious from all the foregoing and the following, your pleading clearly fell on deaf ears.
(5) Okay, now at this point you need to be clear and specific. Which of my references is the "blog" and which one is the "illogical texts"?? Lol.
Is it the Penn Museum academic article published in Vol. 1, Issue 4, of Summer 1959 Expedition publication you refer to as "blog"/"illogical text"; or the Encyclopaedia Britannica??
You clearly have some tough explaining to do here!
One last thing, you whined so much about "Google", whew!
Now get this straight, "Google" is a web search engine which assists with searching for text in publicly accessible documents offered by web servers.
In other words, it is a portal to diverse resources (academic or non-academic, "good" or "bad" ) on the World Wide Web.
It opens up the virtual alternative to your much beloved physical buildings called libraries which also contain diverse resources (academic or non-academic, "good" or "bad" ).
It's pathetic that I have to walk you through all of these about "Google".
Remind me what your problem with "Google" is one last time.
I wish you all the best in your ongoing battle with reality.
Yours faithfully, a logical person.
cc: Sewgon79 2fine2fast
It seems the title "spiritual overlord" is exciting you and thereby confusing your small brain.. You don't even know what spiritual overlord implies because you are dumb like I said.. Please go find out what that term really means.. The pope in early times was spiritual overlord to kings of England, France and many European countries.. Does that mean Vatican was a powerful kingdom/empire or the pope greater than those kings? Boy you are really dumb.. Go learn some more before you keep talking rubbish.. Nobody knows Ife.. Even you dont know Ife, only times Ife is mentioned is when discussing Great Benin.. Ife was never a kingdom, only a place of worship.
TAO11: First of all: I knew all along that you won't provide any reference to buttress your imagination that the Benin Massacre is something different from the Punitive Expedition of 1897.
You know how I know this? Because there is no such reference anywhere in historical sources ... oh ... except from Arugba Stanley's blog post.
I knew you will only be ingenious with familiar and typical cheap excuses as I have seen the trend began in your prior comment. Lol.
Secondly: No one is asking you to explain where the term was first used or who first used it.
No, that's the kind of distraction that a loser will typically bring up and cling to just to veil his loss and console himself.
No, the issue here is about what the term means.
And as I have demonstrated from the outset with evidence, the Benin Massacre is one and the same thing as the Punitive Expedition of 1897.
I wish you all the best in your ongoing battle with reality.
Since u like giving references why don’t u give a reference or show any academic work or documentations that says the Benin Massacre and the Benin punitive expedition is the same thing. show just one and then maybe I will give u the many references that u so desire. they are 2 different events that are related (one led to the other).. The massacre that was referred to in Benin Massacre is the massacre of captain Phillip and his entourage and this led to the Punitive Expedition.. But u too dumb to understand..
TAO11: First of all: Nobody cares about what YOU particularly have to say. Rather, what any sane mind is interested in is what THE HISTORICAL SOURCES have to say.
And so far as I have since demonstrated from the outset (not from Wikipedia), The Benin Massacre is one and the same thing as The Punitive Expedition of 1897.
Secondly: For the umpteenth time, I never adduced Wikipedia as my evidence.
Moreover, why are your so-called results from Google so difficult to post here as you often do?
All along you've been freely attaching screenshots, e.g. screenshot from Arugba Sunday of therabbitisin.com.
But all of a sudden your hands became too heavy that it cannot attach (or even reference) the very "google" result that will show the supposed "accurate details of the event".
The foregoing cheap excuse obviously sounds very familiar and typical.
Bye-bye.
I won’t give u any reference because it’s obvious it won’t make any difference to u especially as you don’t even know how the name “Benin Massacre” came about. FYI “Benin Massacre” is title of the book written by the survivor from captain Philips crew. That’s when that name was first used, he wrote a book describing the events of that day. He was the one that named that event Benin Massacre and since then people like you confuse it to mean the punitive expedition.
If you are wise you will know that the British will never use the term “Massacre” to describe any of their atrocities in Africa.
Anyways like I said earlier, you are dumb and won’t understand so bye little boy.
Dedetwo: The few British contingent made up of civil servants were ambushed and murdered. There was nothing massacre about the coldblooded murder of few British contingent. The real Benin Massacre came during the British punitive expedition after the coldblooded murder of the British contingent that saw the sack of Benin where men, women, children, houses and so-called Oba Palace were burnt down. Even few shrines and deities did not escape the vexation of British Imperial army.
So your jealousy and envy of Benin as eaten into your brain now u are delusional.. u call armed British invaders civil servants? Captain is title for civil servants? sergeant is civil servants? Run away boy.
TAO11: 1. No, I did not use Wikipedia as my reference.
2. No, I do not merely believe what I stated (with evidence) about The Benin Massacre --- that is, also known as The Punitive Expedition.
I know it as a fact just as every sane person, who knows even a bit about history.
3. You are yet to provide any reputable historical source which says that the punitive expedition is different from the Benin Massacre.
Note: By "reputable historical source" I obviously do not refer to Arugba Sunday of therabbitisin.com.
Please provide something meaningful. I am patiently waiting.
You claim to be learned so you should be able to do a simple research yourself without coming up with only Wikipedia results. The only thing I can tell you is that Benin Massacre refers to the killing of captain Philips and his troops and the Punitive expedition is the result of the massacre..
I’m actually surprised at your level of ignorance sha.. someone like u that have time to write long essays shouldn’t be this ignorant and dumb. I sorry for u.
Anyways go to google, type in the Benin Massacre and when results come up don’t just run to Wikipedia results but scroll down couple results you should find accurate details of the event..
TAO11: Lol. I already anticipated that you will come up with this Wikipedia source
Yes, I understand you're at the Wikipedia level "research", but that's not even the bigger problem.
The bigger problem is that even your Wikipedia source page, from where your anonymous webpage lifted has the correct definition in the very first lines at the top before it then contradicts itself many, many lines later.
So, your sickness is beyond just incompetence as per your amateurish/kindergarten level Wikipedia so-called research; your sickness is indeed more about the following:
1. The fact that you conveniently feigned blind and scrolled away from the very point that demolishes your sentiment right there and then on the Wikipedia page you wish to share.
The foregoing is called lying to yourself and yet believing it.
2. The fact that at this stage of your life, you will be hearing it for the first time that Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia editable by the public.
This explains why it contains two contradictory information --- one that you dislike at the very opening lines.
3. The fact that I have to explain all these to you. Hold on! How old are you?
It becomes clear, at this point, that a fellow overzealous Benin lying maraduer like your low-life self must have edited in that last bit which not only contradicts the same Wikipedia page but also contradicts every available historical resources on the Benin Massacre.
For details, see the Wikipedia page in the link below:
Also notice the opening lines, and the latter contradictory lines as shown in the two screenshots below.
Lol.. see this foolish Yoruba boy.. You write about things u know nothing about. How are u able to even write such long essay full of nonsense.
You use Wikipedia as your reference yet u critize same Wikipedia? If u believe Benin Massacre is the same thing as the punitive expedition that’s your choice, good for u.. I’m not trying to convince u, only educate u. If it was an exam question that will save your life that’s how u will fail woefully. I told u before, do a simple research maybe u will get some knowledge and understanding if u do. It is easy to see that you are not knowledgeable at all.
Anyway, refer to the words in the attachement below perhaps you may be resuscitated.
It is made clear in the attached, just as I have mentioned earlier, that the The Benin Massacre is one and the same thing as the Punitive Expedition.
I guess you're so pained now. Lol.
Yes, you may first tell me about why the kings of Benin kingdom pay homage to Ile-Ife, and why they regard the kings of Ile-Ife as their overlord.
Hide your face in shame!
Mugu mugu.. u are dumb sha. I’m only pained at ur stupidity.. u claim to be educated but just a simple research u cannot do to get your facts right... people like you are irritants.
Try do a proper search on google if u know how to. Maybe u will find the true account of the event written by the only British survivor of that massacre.
TAO11: First of all, the British engaged in what historians called a punitive expedition (assuming now that you understand how this term contrasts with actual warfare between contenders).
History books call it The Benin Massacre for a reason (assuming now that you understand what the term massacre means).
So, stop lying to yourself (and yet believing it) that Benin contended in warfare with the British troops.
No! It was as the case of IPOB being on the verge of extermination, and at the mercy of The Nigerian Army.
Benin was at the time being "punished" for its attrocities committed against some non-combatant representatives of the British.
The Oba had learnt that he was to be sentenced to death by hanging. He thus ran for dear life to seek refuge in the thicket of the forest.
He remained there for months to come, while all life (and non-life) in his town was about to be wiped off forever.
The Oba came out of hiding months later to formally surrender, upon which he was exiled from his own town despite his intense pleading.
The same British government immediately appointed the Obaseki to continue acting as the Oba of Benin immediately following Ovanramwen's banishment.
How elso should Ovanramwen have been dethroned by the British government?
If the 1897 "punitive expedition" against Benin had happened in our modern times, the British would have been charged for genocide/crime against humanity.
In sum, stop painting a false picture as though Benin was contending in some warfare with the British in 1897.
No, that would be a completely deluded and insanely idiotic conclusion to make from the glaring history.
Take care of yourself emotional boy. I understand how you feel. I have been there.
You really have no brain. You obviously don’t know why it was called Benin Massacre or what Massacre it refers to. The name Benin Massacre describes the massacre of the British forces (captain Phillip and his soldiers) that tried to enter Benin despite being warned not to.. The Benin Massacre was what lead to the British punitive expedition and it was indeed a war.. The British acknowledged it so. Naming it punitive expedition doesn’t mean it’s not a war.
So before you spend your time writing long rubbish try to get your facts right and have understanding.. or better still, use your time to mastubatee and leave Benin alone. You can’t change history. If you want to be excited I can tell u stories of Benin’s many wars in Yorubaland.. our many conquests and enslavement of Yorubas.
TAO11: I'm not sure why I got banned yesterday for my exchange with you. I need to pay careful attention to such trend, especially when engaging you. Someone seem to be dead-scared of what I will say next. Lol.
Having said that, your logic appears to be a very interesting one, and it is as follows:
(1) You seem to believe that Benin kingdom once achieved some imperial status.
(2) The expert/academic submissions I had put forward states unequivocally that the kings of Benin kingdom paid homage to Ile-Ife, and that they (i.e. the kings of Benin kingdom) regard Ile-Ife kings as their spiritual overlords.
(3) Yet from these two foregoing premises, your conclusion is that Ile-Ife/its kings were never imperial.
Isn't your syllogistic conclusion laughable, or at least interesting?
May be everyone should "reason" along with you from your "logical" deduction, and then come to your conclusion that:
Yes, Ile-Ife was not imperial, but super-imperial (if there is any such compound term).
cc: Sewgon79
You are indeed funny.. you saw a sentence in one document that said Benin kings paid homage to Ife kings and you are jubilating. keep it up. I won’t argue Benin’s Greatness and Might with you because you already know that.
I’m only wondering why u are praising small Ife instead of Oyo.. in your small mind was Ife imperial to Oyo too?
Bobosneh: him matter go be like egungun be careful na express you dey go
Problem with Yorubas is because many of their their Obas are always being embarrassed and disgraced and dethroned for the past hundreds of years till date they think Oba of Benin can be treated like that lol.
TAO11: 1. You said I was making Ife look like an empire or a mighty kingdom.
Well, let me shock you. My name is NOT Margaret Plass. My name is NOT Erediauwa I. Neither is my name William Fagg. Nor am I a curator, authority or history expert at the British Museum.
Take it up with these authotities and experts, who noted clearly that the kings of Benin paid homage to Ile Ife, and that they regard the Oonis of Ife as gods.
I was clearly citing the experts and authorities only
BTW, I would love to see you cite experts rather than vomit your personal imaginations. Thanks.
2. Yes, like I have noted above:
"An emperor/Empress is a king/queen of a higher and elevated status.
All emperors/empreses are kings/queens, but NOT all kings/queens are emperor/empresses.
The Ooni of Ife is styled as His Imperial Majesty. The Oba of Benin is NOT."
3. I am still waiting for your evidence from any serious text (of course not from Nairaland or a random Facebook post) of where the Oba of Benin was ever styled as "His Imperial Majesty". Never! He dared not.
4. Furthermore, "official" means "one who holds or is invested with an office" [Merriam-Webster Dictionary].
No where does this definition say it must be a country's government. A royal styling becomes "official" as soon as the palace sanctions it. May be it's hightime you sued all your English teachers and request refunds.
And as far as I know the Benin palace never uses "His Imperial Majesty" for the Oba of Benin. They dared not.
The Ife palace on the other hand uses "His Imperial Majesty" exclusively. Benin dared not.
5. All along I had thought I was having an exchange with an Edo child who knows even the most basic stuffs of his language and history. It's a shame you don't know why Omo N'Oba N'Edo Erediauwa I admitted that the kings of Ife were known in Benin kingdom as "Oghene".
All this you say still doesn’t make Ife an imperial power or Ooni an imperial majesty.. Any king can style themselves Imperial majesty..
As for comparing Benin to Ife I won’t argue that with you because you already know Ife was never an empire or a force to reckon with.
TAO11: First of all: You're bragging emptily before the wrong person.
Secondly: I've just demonstrated to you that in Nigeria, the Oba of Benin is NEVER officially styled as "His Imperial Majesty". It just has never happened before.
Rather his styling is: "His Royal Majesty" just as several other Tom, Dick, and Harry.
What evidence, proof, or reason do you then have in defense of your earlier grandoise misappropriation to the Oba of Benin, if you still stand by it??
Thirdly: I've stated that only the Ooni of Ife has the exclusive official right, in Nigeria, to the styling "His Imperial Majesty".
Your random Facebook "rejoinder" as has been pointed out holds no water as it has zero weight in official traditional matters in Nigeria.
You also seem to have seen that light for your silence on that matter in your comeback.
Lastly: Regarding who is supreme and imperial between the two monarchs:
Permit me to educate you on what you probably have never heard before.
There are tons of established evidence (in academia) demonstrating without a shred of doubt that the Ooni of Ife is suzerain, imperial, and divine over Benin kingdom and its Oba.
I will point out two of the simplest and clearest of these tons of evidence:
1. The kings of Benin kingdom paid homage to the Ooni of Ife.
Refer to time-stamp 47:16 to 49:00 in the BBC/British Museum History & Art documentary below:
2. The kings of Benin kingdom regard the Ooni of Ife as their god in human flesh.
In fact, Omo N'Oba Erediauwa I in his 2004 work "The Benin-Ife Connection" noted that in Benin kingdom the Ooni of Ife was called "Oghene" --- What does "Oghene" mean in your language??
Refer below to Margaret Plass in "The Art of Benin: An Evaluation Based on Discussions with William Fagg, Deputy Keeper of Ethnography in the British Museum."
"... Oba Oguola --- supposed to have reigned about A.D. 1280 --- applied to his spiritual overlord, the Oni of Ife, for the service of a bronze founder to teach his people..."
You are making Ife look like an empire or one mighty kingdom which it never was.
The title of “imperial majesty” is meant for emperors and conquerors neither of which Ooni of Ife is..
In comparison the Oba of Benin is an imperial majesty.. You are talking about official title, imperial majesty is not an official title given by Nigerian government
I don’t know the meaning of “Oghene” in Benin language but since u know Benin language you tell me the meaning abi..
TAO11: No, the Oba of Benin is NOT an Imperial Majesty. Rather, he is officially regarded as "His Royal Majesty" just like several other Tom, Dick, and Harry.
The only royalty whom that title (His Imperial Majesty) is officially reserved for in Nigeria is the Ooni of Ife.
Stop appropriating what is not.
Using your picture example then Ooni is not an imperial majesty..
Michellekabod2: In western countries she will file a case against him,divorce him,and cart away with his wealth. He will pay her child support for kids that aren't his
So which is a wiser choice to make?
You are wrong.. she gets nothing.. only probably child support but won’t get any of his wealth.
dogheart: There is nothing to learn here . No First class king went to receive the Oba. Just few Ikwere chiefs did . The Oba visit has also got nothing to do with Ikwere being Bini or Igbo... Enough said. Ikwere are a mixture of Igbo and Ijaw ( Kalabari mainly )... Only God knows why some few Ikwere think they are from Bini when they have no Bini in them, They dont look Bini, they dont have no Bini kings. There is no clear history that make them Bini apart from the claim that make no sense .
Does ikwerre have first class kings? I thought they have only high chiefs..
Politics › Re: In Benin, The Governor Kneels To Greet The King, But Not So In Other Kingdoms.. by davidnazee: 3:19pm On Mar 28, 2020
