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gregyboy:
Gullible in what sense

Racial gullibility?

Don’t mind him, he doesn’t know what he is talking about.

TAO11:
No, if the other tribes person is truly not Yoruba (and they know I am) and if they are not dvmb as you; then they will be curious to learn.


You see how sane people will think??

Slowpoke where are u.

TAO11:
No, if the other tribes person is truly not Yoruba (and they know I am) and if they are not dvmb as you; then they will be curious to learn.


You see how sane people will think??

Idiot learn what? They already learnt everything, nothing is new anymore. Even ur futile attempt at overturning history in ur favour is not new.

TAO11:
Except that Edo was conquered and continues to be conquered till date by Ife.

And except that Oduduwa is an Ife-Yoruba man --- a fact which makes you consider doing what is shown in the image below.

Hahaha.. go tell that to any Nigerian tribe that is not Yoruba. They will laugh at u.
Nobody is buying ur foolish game..
Everyone knows Ife is a fairy tale, that Oduduwa is a foreigner to Yoruba and that Great Benin ruled over your ancestors for over 500yrs..

Seems u haven’t yet realized that you will spend the rest of ur life debunking Benin successes..
poor u, see ur life na.

samuk:
I even gave her the opportunity to watch the video in the link and yet she still came back with what she wrote.

Typical tribal bigot.

She/he is scared of the truth that’s why she runs amok when u put the truth at her face.

Moneywomen17:
what “audience” my guy. And if anybody buy that shit u are selling irrespective of tribe, they are indeed gullible.

Just shut up please. Anybody u are referring to already read that; Benin conquered and ruled Yoruba, Oduduwa was a stranger that ruled Ife, Benin founded Lagos, Benin was greater than all Yoruba Kingdoms.

So the only thing that the “anybody” u are referring to will be wondering is the purpose of this Yoruba foolish charade.

TAO11:
I swear. he thinks he's sneaky!

I have suggested it before, but now I'm beginning to think they actually receive some training in that their Benin on how to deceive and lie.

I'm serious oo.

The only liars and deniers are u Yorubas.
Lying to boost ur obscure history. Your lies won’t change the truth that u are a conquered race.

Moneywomen17:
read what u wrote urself. So it’s not the largest man made structure cuz it said prior to the mechanical era. That means it once was at a time not anymore. U can read but u seem not to be able to comprehend what u read.

Yes I can read it and I hope u are learned enough to know that Guinness records always update every year. Records are broken all the time.
As at 1974 it was regarded as the largest man made structure using earth work.
I believe it is still the largest of its kind.

Moneywomen17:
typical someone quoting and actual source Guinness world record which is very credible and someone else trying to use Facebook as a counter. That’s nairaland for u.

I see u have gone the way of ur useless Yoruba bobrisky TAO11..

Anyways The Guinness Book of Records (1974 edition) described the walls of Benin City and its surrounding kingdom as the world’s largest earthworks carried out prior to the mechanical era. According to estimates by the New Scientist’s Fred Pearce, Benin City’s walls were at one point “four times longer than the Great Wall of China, and consumed a hundred times more material than the Great Pyramid of Cheops”.

TAO11:
It is the name of a hilly settlement in Ife.

You can know nothing, because YOUR SKULL is TOO THICK.

U are now saying Oke Ora is located in Ife abi.. I thought it was a town outside Ife.
Lemme ask moneywoman who knows more than you.

TAO11:
That's the best example to illustrate your dumbness as your skull is too thick.

Oke-Ora is Yoruba for Ora-Hills.


It was always there. Oduduwa didn't (as you will say) "bring it" from your imagined Mecca.

You obviously hear strange voices.

I still say u are a fool and dumb.
Yoruba say oduduwa came from a town called Oke Ora.. Ora hills is not name of a town.
Well as usual you Yorubas are full of contradictions and make believe history.

Benin history is certain; we ruled over Yoruba for hundreds of years.

TAO11:
Oga calm down! You bungled on this one as always.

The world's largest man-made monument on earth is a pyramid.

"The largest pyramid, and the largest monument ever constructed, is the Quetzalcóatl Pyramid at Cholula de Rivadavia."



I wont cite you Facebook links. No! I will rather cite you a link to Guinness World Records itself.


See link below to Guinness World Record webpage.

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/largest-pyramid/

Idiot Benin walls are the largest man made structures/earthworks in the world.
Ur jealousy and congeal has indeed blinded u.

TAO11:
You are a dummy who is only able to fool dumber dummies like himself.

You already bungled instead of you to crawl back into your hole, you're still here talking.


Saying Oke-Ora didn't exist at Oduduwa's time (which you said) is as foolish and dumb as saying Olumo Rock was not there during the time of Obasanjo's great great ... grand father.

Idiot is olumo rock name of a town/village? Are u that shallow u cannot comprehend simple question?
If we go by ur foolish logic about olumo rock then one can say Oduduwa descended from a hill on chains. So how did he get to top of the hill? From the sky?
U are indeed a fool. U can’t even present ur argument in a reasonable manner.
Please don’t rub ur foolishness on moneywoman.

TAO11:
Thick skull, I was only asking you to know what Oke means before you disgrace your self saying an Oke (hill) was not around during Oduduwa's days.

Just say Oke Ora. That’s the name of the place in contention. The way u are avoiding the Ora in Oke shows that either u don’t believe the Oke Ora account or Oduduwa is not from there lol.
U are really a confused Yoruba.

Now tell me, is oduduwa from Oke Ora?

TAO11:
No now, it's only you people that tells us things like:

How the Ogisos dived from the sky into Benin City.

How God went into the labour room and gave birth to the first Oba of Benin.

How the Ogisos fought with human and spirits.

How you Edos chased ivibiniwinreko from the present Benin site when you all were coming from Ife.

See yourself always opening Yoruba yansh.
Yes just like you Yorubas we have myths that says ogiso descended from the sky.. but unlike u we don’t say Ogiso is the father of Edo race, or our ogiso was a coup plotter or call a small village without an army (Ife) an empire.
And unlike u, our history is very rich with details unlike urs that is shrouded in darkness and obscurity.

TAO11:
Now you're asking because you're an ignoramus.

Yet you still put small arrogance with your ignorance.

You are truly a thick skull.

Fool I’m not asking u. Moneywoman already answered my question. Ur foolishness couldn’t let u understand my conversation with moneywoman before u jumped in..
I know u are suffering from congeal.

TAO11:
Thick skull. point out where I used myth as the basis for my argument.

Anyways, you already admitted to not having anything to offer.

Every reference u made was a myth. U have not mentioned one real practical history in ur argument because it doesn’t favour ur argument.

TAO11:
If it is Yoruba agenda to present history as what it is without a jot of my own words, then I love such agenda.

Which history does Yoruba have to present? U only have the analysis of ur myths given to u be the whiteman. That’s what u are excited about.

TAO11:
You're a dummy.

Oke is a hill top. Which useless article says a hill wasn't around at some point in time??

This guy is the sickest Bini I have encountered.

You are indeed a fool. U argue like a child. Who ever said anything about a hill being around or not around. Does Oke Ora mean hill or it’s nam of a place?
Please allow a more mature moneywoman talk on behalf of oduduwa.. ur argument sinks Ife further down into darkness.

TAO11:
He doesn't know what Oke mean oo?? Don't bother yourself. This one na block head oo.

Will u call your brother block head too for saying Ife was not an empire?
He actually meant Ife was the village where the juju priest lived.

Moneywomen17:
touché. Ife was never regards as an empire. How can ife be empire without army. Oyo empire was the empire. And if still continue the tradition during kingship coronation about his origin and how he was crowned. So he is from ife

Your brother (I guess u are Yoruba) TAO11 said Ife was an empire. I have been trying to educate him on that wrong assumption.

Moneywomen17:
oke-Ora has not been regarded a myth but oral tradition. There is a difference. Someone coming from the sky and creating earth is a myth. Coming from Mecca a place Yoruba has no idea about before Islam is a recent conjecture much like the ibo origin to Israel. Even ur elkadaharen is not a myth but oral tradition.

Myths are defined as a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon...
So Oke Ora story, Mecca, ogisos from the sky, Ife empire, ekhaladeran, these are all myths.

Moneywomen17:
where did u read oke-Ora wasn’t in existence then. There are hills in oke-ota yes.
Read this https://www.informationng.com/2015/11/new-ooni-of-ife-presented-with-the-aare-crown-worn-once-a-year.html

Well he may be from Oke Ora and may also not be from there. The oduduwa story and origin will always remain a myth. I think it’s best we celebrate our various traditional myths rather than tear each other down with it.

Moneywomen17:
didn’t ur oral history says ur Ohio’s came from the sky. Do u know how many African tribes use same came from the sky to the describe their king. Of course it’s a myth and like I said a myth long after he was gone just like how king like sango and Ogun were deified after their death. Second Mecca theory are from Yoruba Muslim who wants to ascribe oduduwa to islam. The only true account is he came from east of ife and to the east of ife is oke-Ora. If I say am from north of oyo doesn’t mean am from the north. And please tell me when oke-Ora exist

Well one thing I agree on is that myths shouldn’t be used to argue history because myths always turn out to be false.. unlike TAO11 that backs up his/her argument using myths as evidence.
History will say one thing and TAO11 will say another.

I don’t argue about Benin myths or use it as evidence in my argument because I don’t believe in myths, I prefer reality on ground to make my assessment.

If u say Oduduwa is from Oke Ora, I have read article against that idea and it says Oke Ora wasn’t even in existence during the time of Oduduwa. and the Oke Ora story even says oduduwa descended on a chain from Oke Ora down to Ife. Is Oke Ora in the sky or mountainous area?

Moneywomen17:
and that’s why there is also inconsistency with the story. Now oduduwa is from oke-ora according to ife history. But his mythology after he was deified ascribe him to coming from the sky. Two separate account.

The Oke Ora story started some few years ago when the Yorubas realized 2 important facts.

1. The accounts of descent from the sky and trekking from Mecca are absurd
2. Oduduwa actually came from East of Ife

Since Benin is actually east of Ife making the Benin account more realistic and logical they came up with oke ora. Oke Ora wasn’t in existence during the time of oduduwa.

TAO is fighting a loosing battle. You can’t change history..

TAO11:
Whenever you admit to having anything to offer, then I will engage you.

But for now that you still insist that you have nothing to offer, I humbly ask that you crawl back in reverse mode into your creepy hole.

I understand that you're hurt. You will be fine.

Awww it hurts that u can’t change the unending truth about ur dull Yoruba history.
After all research about Africa has been done, the general conclusion arrived at by all scholars and historians was;

Benin was a great Kingdom and empire.. the longest surviving kingdom in present Nigeria area.
Oyo Kingdom was short lived.
Oduduwa migrated from Mecca
Ife was never an empire and it’s history is dark, more light they tried to shine on it the more dark it gets.
Nothing was known about Ife till the 19th century Twice Ife have been abandoned in ruins, in 18th and 19th centuries.
All of Eastern Yoruba and Lagos was under the rule of Benin Kingdom.

This is the only information anyone will forever find in archives of history not your made up tales.

Yorubas are presently doing well these days but in history they were useless.

TAO11:
Quit mentioning audience and stop drawing sympathy while shedding crocodile tears.

Being the judge in your own case is precisely what you did when you quoted someone who was supposed to be left out independent --- drawing false and unwarranted alliance.

Also misrepresenting what I said in black and white --- saying I said A when I had said B --- is also being a judge in your own case, and a false judge for that matter.

At this point it has become obvious that you have nothing to present further than the already demolished bother Uchebuaku whose supposed citation has been shown to be a spurious misrepresentation.

If you have a further argument or evidence, let me know, otherwise I will start crossing out your rants if I please.

You are trying your best to turn every bit of Yoruba poor history in favour of Yoruba.
You debunk Ife/oduduwa history, debunk Benin great history, debunk history of Eastern Yoruba.. but u forget that the history has already been written and documented and will always be;

Oduduwa came from Mecca to rule in Ife.
Benin conquered and ruled Yoruba
Benin founded modern Lagos
Benin greatness and achievements surpasses Ife.
Ife was not an empire

So continue your pointless debunking, people will always read the truth online.

TAO11:
The same R. Smith continued to clarify citing the Lagos tradition that:

"The early traditions of Lagos ascribe the peopling of this sandy waste near the edge of the ocean to a small scale-migration of Awori Yoruba, who first settled under the leadership of a hunter named Ogunfunminire about twelve miles near the River Ogun at Isheri ... .Ogunfunminire is said to have been a member of the royal house of Ife ..."

R. Smith Kingdoms of theYoruba (1969), p.73.

If you like twist and spin the Lagos history anyhow you like. Lagos state government acknowledges on their official website that Benin Kingdom founded Lagos as it is known today.

You will continue for the next 50yrs to torture yourself with debunking Benin great history and will always be a failure..

TAO11:
Stop lying. You know I hate all these baseless Benin lies with a passion.

You seem to be replying just for the hope of being seen by others to be writing something. There is nothing in your reply here which is not a repetition already debunked in the same comment you're replying to.




No where did I or any such report say "THE PLACE" was inhabited by "NO ONE ELSE" but soldiers.

It simply talks about the Island part of Lagos (in 1603 that is during a period characterized by conflict between the autochthonous people and the aliens ) as the base for the aliens' armies -- led by the Binis.

The aliens group comprising largely of the Binis, but also comprising of the Ijebus, the Ilaje, the Ikale, the Owo, the Egba, the Egbado, the Aja, and the Ijaw.


Were you blind to where the same account of Ulsheimer I alluded to talks about Lagos (the whole -- not just the Island part now) being resort of traders "coming by water and land"??

--- "Josua Ulsheimer" cited in R. Smith, Kingdoms of the Yoruba (1969), p.74.

And yes, the Benis not only send back report to their Oba but also remitted tax back home from their trade gains abroad. This is their practice wherever they settled. The four generals were general over the Benin and other minority alien fighters).

Asheru a Bini general of the aliens' army fell in one of the conflicts with the Aworis. A lot of politics then got involved. Ask and you shall know. Stop pretending to know who you're in fact empty.


Well, except that there was the old Olofin dynasty in place which was the precursor to the present dynasty. You seem to know nothing about what's going on here. You fell.


You can't learn by exchanging on the pretense of knowing in the hope that snippets of information will be reveled to you by your interlocutor.

No, it doesn't go that way. You either ground yourself before coming for a debate; or you directly ask unashamedly about what the Lagos account says in details, and I will be happy to provide such information.

You are badly misinformed or just twisting true accounts which is a common thing for the Yorubas..

In earlier times the area know as Lagos was only restricted to the island of lagos and Iddo island. The main land part of lagos was unpopulated and wasn't part of Lagos till recent times.
The Aworis who were mainly hunters and fishermen occupied the Iddo Island.. What is fairly certain is that the Awori settlement in Lagos was earlier than that of the Benin which eventually subjugated the emergent settlement. Lagos Island was an unoccupied territory at that time and did not belong to the Aworis, neither was main land Lagos Awori territory (you cannot claim an unoccupied area because you are close it).. The Yorubas were never part of Lagos. They migrated to the area when Lagos began to develop in a formidable settlement.

The Edo warriors were the first settlers on Lagos Island which served as a military camp and from there they carried out their expeditions in to west africa.. Over the years the warriors paved way for their families and also Edo traders to settle in Lagos Island and the camp began to take shape from just a military camp into a city.

Yoruba elements started migrating to and settled on the lagos mainland in later years after the Island of Lagos has become a booming city and trading center. As wars began plaguing the Yoruba lands more Yorubas started migrating to Lagos mainland till the danger of an attack by he warring tribes plaguing Yorubaland drove them to seek the security of the nearest island, Iddo and Benin soldiers in the island and from where they spread to Eko. These Yoruba traders and war refugees were the first wave of Yorubas in Lagos.
The second wave of Yorubas into Lagos were the returnee slaves. By 1851 after the abolition of the slave trade, there was a great attracton to Lagos by the repatriates. Mainly freed Yoruba captives and their descendants who have been set ashore in Sierra leone, responded to the pull of their homeland and returned in successive waves to Lagos. They were granted land to settle in areas of the island.

The areas of Badagry, Ikorodu and Epe Local Governments were never part of Lagos. These areas were only merged as part of Lagos by the British at the end of the 19th century.

Any history of Lagos always accounts the Aworis and the Edos as the first settlers of Lagos. The Aworis never identified as Yoruba hundreds of years ago, but were assimilated into the yoruba culture in later years. Yorubas are migrants to Lagos.. Yoruba lands closeness to Lagos accounts for its large numbers in Lagos..

OgboAto:
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I am going to assume you're Edo.

First of all, if you compare the inputs of some of your people like Davidnazee, you'd see that you should not even think of the Yoruba commenters as illiterate or any adjective of that nature. Such terms should be reserved for the few poorly educated Edo whose only basis for engaging others is emotional from which they throw incoherent fits. I thin it is just you and Silversnipe who have been entirely different and made the back & forth worth it.

Secondly, the Bini didn't fight to 'protect' the peoples of eastern Yorubaland. They fought to protect their trade routes and their little colonial expansion into Yorubaland. They are records of an on & off battles between the Bini and the few towns in eastern Yorubaland they occupied.

Brb.

Do you really think you made any sense in your highlighted statement above? when did Benin ever say or assumed that it fought for Yoruba people? It only sometimes settled their internal disputes not fight.. Is there any great power that fight to protect the people of its colonies? did the british fight to protect the people of the colonies? did Oyo fight to protect the people of the colonies? All great powers/occupying force fight to protect their trade routes, their imperial and expansionist agendas..
Benin never said it fought to protect the people of Eastern Yoruba, it was fighting for it's interests when it ravaged all over Eastern Yoruba..

TAO11:
Bro, I think you must be very firm and especially clear with these lots on the aspect of Benin interaction on the Eastern Yoruba frontiers.

Their imaginations are so wild and twisted (for their delusions of grandeur) that one of them already began --- as is typical of them --- to assume "colonies". Gosh! They can't be helped.

A closer look at the evidence and sources in the light of subsequently clearer understanding of Benin and Eastern Yoruba history shows that the Benin relationships at the the Eastern Yoruba kingdoms are deeper and more complex than some authors have portrayed in the past.

For example, the Owo kingdom (prior to the reign of Olowo Osogboye) and the Benin kingdom had a sort of bilateral treaty. It was so deep that an Owo prince would live in the Benin palace until he became grown up and ready to rule. Osogboye at least did as a prince.

According to the Oore of Otun-Ekiti whom Professor Akintoye interviewed in the 1970s, the true picture was said to be that the Ekiti kingdoms and the Benin kingdom did not see each other as enemies.

He said clashes with Benin were very few and very far between that no generation of Ekiti people witnessed two of such, and that most generations saw none.

The two kingdoms regarded each other as "brothers", and he emphatically stressed that paying tribute to the Oba of Benin was out of the question. He also stressed that forming a coalition to fight him was also out of the question.

In Ado and Akure where really bloody battles occured, there were special factors at work far away and distinct from the usually imagined one-sided Benin territorial expansionist narrative.

[They have a similar kind of one-sided account for Lagos too forgetting that two kingdoms are involved here, and that we also have our own indigenous account known in academia as the Lagos account (aka the Awori account) which contradicts their own account on very important details (e.g. on the identity of Aṣípa as an Awori prince from Isheri who is of direct Ife royal descent). R. Smith (1969) contains both this Awori account and the Benin Account. S. Akintoye (2010) also does]

The context of the Ado, Akure and even the Lagos bloody clashes were trade/commercial activities between the autochtonous people on one hand, and the Benin resident trading community/other minority resident trading communities on another hand.

There were other minor skirmishes, kidnappings, clashes, etc. no doubt --- some clashes of which Benin troops were routed and their military chiefs slaughtered.


You may refer to to S. Akintoye's "A History of the Yoruba People", (2010) Chapter 11 on "The Frontier Effect".

This encyclopedic research work of about 3 decades examines the evidences more closely using the products of the latest research on the subject.

And it has immense invaluable contributions from a galaxy of eminent scholars and pathfinder in the field of African History such as:

(1) Dr. J. F. Ade Ajayi (Emeritus Professor of History, University of Ibadan)

(2) Dr. Elisee Soumonni (Professor of History, Department of African History and Archaeology, National University of Benin at Abomey-Calavi, Benin-Republic)

(3) Dr. R. C. C. Law (Professor of African History, Stirling University, Scotland)

(4)Dr. Toyin Falaola (The Frances Higginbotham Nalle Centennial Professor in History, University of Texas at Austin)

(5) Dr Funso Afolayan (Associate Professor of History and African Studies, University of New Hampshire, Durham)

(6) Dr. Adebayo Oyebade (Professor of History, Tennesse State University, Nashville).


Cheers!

You have a twisted fantasy about a great Yoruba history over Benin..

There is numerous evidence, both oral and written and witnessed that much of Eastern Yoruba was under the rule of Benin Kingdom. if u like deny it, turn it upside down or shrink it, the fact and proof will always be there.

The treaty Benin had with Owo was obtained after the conquest of Owo by Oba Ewaure the great during the expansion of Benin Kingdom. At a point Owo rebelled and that was when Iken the Benin general was dispatched to Owo to quell the rebellion. According to Egharevba, “After short but severe fighting, they (Owo) surrendered.” Iken himself was later killed, after sending his soldiers, captives and spoils to Benin City.
Ewuare the Great was succeeded in Benin by Ezoti, and Ezoti by Ozolua, who came to the throne about 1481. Shortly thereafter, Ozolua marched on Owe and was surprised that the people capitulated so readily. One of Ozolua’s sons was made the Owa (Olowo) of Owo.

If you like twist the story to make yourself feel good, it will always be quite clear that Benin exercised great authority over Owo. Otherwise, why should it have been necessary for an heir to the throne of Owo, a Yoruba town, to receive his training in the court of an Edo kingdom? Why was it necessary that the Oba of Benin confirm an Olowo on the throne? Furthermore, in his revised manuscripts on the history of Owo, Chief Ashara records that when leopards were killed in the town, their heads were usually sent to Benin, an act of homage.
Even till today, Owo tradition and customs are more similar to Edo than Yoruba even though they identify as yoruba.

TAO11:
Not only did Ife conquer Ubinu kingdom. It actually continues to do so till date through the Ife dynasty there as I speak.

Even in the neighbouring Eastern Yoruba frontiers, Ubinu kingdom didn't do any better.

The first engagement Benin army had with Owo army ended in a digraceful defeat of the Bini, where Iken himself the Benin military commander himself was slaughtered and his platoons scattered in disarray with some captured and kept back in Owo.


The name Benin is a Portuguese mispronounciation of the original name, Ubinu --- as given by your master Oranmiyan.

So, the name you love to be identified with is a MISTAKE. I wonder if you too aren't a mistake.

Owo defeated Benin and was still paying tributes and a vassal to Benin kingdom lol.. U are a joke