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TAO11:
Lies get widespread too.

You need Oduduwa to be from Mecca like your life depends on it. Oya tell me why?



Oduduwa is an Ife-Yoruba man.

I know you're butt-hurt with this fact. Yes I know. Lie that you're not.

And still on this oduduwa myth, how is oduduwa father of Yoruba race if:

He was a coup plotter
His coup failed and he was murdered shortly after
His followers were banished
Ife returned to status quo before oduduwa.

So how is he your father or reformer when he didn’t succeed at anything?
Are u sure you are not being lied to? Are you sure Yorubas are not being deceived?

TAO11:
Haha! I seem to be turning you guys against each other.

First it was you admission that you're dumb and scared of reading

Second it was ghost won who couldn't hold back and let it out that grey boy can't use his brain.

Now it's you turning against your Oba thinking you can tell paternal genealogical history, and impliedly calling him foolish.



I'm happy that your picture has been made public before you took it down.

I will make sure this your sacrilege against the Obas of Benin gets to the right quarters with your picture.

I have always known that someday you (and your innocent parents) will be banished from Benin into the evil forest; or beheaded by the imperial majesty of Benin by the royal majesty of Benin.

Foolish talk..

TAO11:
I'm only highlighting your myths to you so you can at least know they exist, know what they say about your origin from Ife, and perhaps be proud of them like every other human group.

Of course I’m proud of my myths and u don’t know any and there’s no mention of Yoruba in my myths so why are u trying to include Edo in yours?
Even your most recent history are myths no realistic or practical evidence..

TAO11:
Lies get widespread too.

You need Oduduwa to be from Mecca like your life depends on it. Oya tell me why?



Oduduwa is an Ife-Yoruba man.

I know you're butt-hurt with this fact. Yes I know. Lie that you're not.

Listen fish brain, Oduduwa is widely regarded as a foreigner who came to rule Yoruba people. And I don’t know why u are arguing it after all it’s nothing new for Yoruba people to be ruled by foreign powers. Nupe did, Fulani did, Great Benin did, so what’s ur problem?

Why will Benin call Ooni as Oghene and Ife as Uhe when it as always been Ooni and Ife?
You are really dumb.

TAO11:
No, the accounts that are not supported by widespread independent evidences are discounted by every sane people.

It's not about who records an account, but about what the merit/demerit of each account at every point in time.



Your nemesis is back from ban.

Then you should agree with the widespread account of Oduduwa coming from Mecca.. so he is a foreigner to Yorubaland.

MelesZenawi:
Edo nation?

Name Edo nations?

What do you want to know?

samuk:
I noticed the same too, they have all run away.

They probably realised the politics surrounding the myths and that the arguments and evidences are no longer in their favour.

They can now see the myths for themselves.

They have to first determine if Oduduwa was real or myth, then answer the question of his origin before even attempting the Benin/Ife history.

Without Oduduwa, there is no Benin/Ife relationship.

Too much evidence to show that Benin/Ife connection is a lie.

Ooni and Alaafin have their own versions of Oduduwa. The Benin have their own version too.

Nobody can agree on who is right.

These are all too much for them to process.

This is the result you get when you expand the arguments.

Don't allow them to box you into the corner of Benin/Yoruba superiority.

Whilst they are shouting superiority, you will be examining the evidences and pointing out the errors.

I told you they are not very smart and clever.

True talk bro.
Long live the Edo nation/people.

OgboAto:
They and their ex-king are not a very smart people.
Their entire history is based on the need to provide an alternative - by this I mean the need to provide what they consider a realistic account grounded on the physical which they assume would be much more widely acceptable to the public as opposed to the Oyo account of Mecca & Sky chain descent.

I call it a Oyo account because it was propagated by Oyo for the need to project the Oduduwa sharing properties and allotting lands to Oranmiyan in order to project Alaafin's fraudulent claim of 'King of Yoruba' title started during the Ekitiparapo wars, a time when Ife were without an Ooni, exiled to Oke Igbo & Isoya and with their town completely razed to the ground.

These Bini & their revisionist king forgot that every Yoruba town has its homegrown or say nationalistic tales of the origins of Yoruba/Oduduwa meant to project their throne in a certain light. They & their revisionist king forgot the Oyo account is not Yoruba nation's account but they want it to be so badly to make their Ekalederhen concoction stick.

Oduduwa - Odu to du iwa -[the powerful man that contested leadership] also known as Osin Ora was an indigenous Ejigbomekun ma who did not only divide the town into two by carving out Ife & leaving the rest of the town under Obatala. He was eventually murdered, his reign was extremely short & as opposed to Oyo story of his sons [largely his followers rather than sons] trooping out from Ita Ijero, were actually expelled and the town re-integrated & leadership continued in the order of succession as it was before Oduduwa who could not wait for his quarter's turn carried out a coup. This was the reason oranmiyan came back fighting wars to reinstate whatever with guns blazing.

To sustain pan-Yoruba unity & not ruin the story within which certain kings such as Owa Ilesa & most of these Yoruba Oba Alade have claimed relevance & rights is why Ife has been mostly quiet about these nonsenses. Ife knows what kings have links with Ife & what compound or quarters they belong. To make everyone happy, Ife accommodates conjectural shxt & wild claims from all quarters.

Another myth without evidence.
And your story just destroyed the belief that Oduduwa was the father of Yoruba race or reformer of Ife.

Mraphel:
Godbless.

All Obas came from Ife and all ogiso came from Edo. The time when Akure ruler was disposed as king, he wasn't replaced with an Oba but Ogiso..before another Oba took his throne

The Akure ruler that was deposed and beheaded by Benin wasn’t an oba. He was a deji.. Yoruba was not using the title of oba at that time.

Benin also beheaded many Ewis and rulers in Yorubaland.

TAO11:
If have some atom of brain left in your empty thick skull, then you would have realized that adducing references for every of my argument means that those are not merely my claims.



Ask yourself the following question in a honest way:

Why can't I, davidnazee, provide even one tiny shred of evidence to back up all the imaginations in my head about our gReAt bEnIn kInGdOm?? Am I, davidnazee that daft??

Mugu why should I give you evidence that Benin Kingdom was great when you were already taught in secondary school that Benin was great and ruled over Yorubaland? Were you that much of a failure in school?
Your foolishness knows no bound.

TAO11:
I didn't bring up the point about Oyo gaining military and political ascendance over Benin and other kingdoms in the course of history.

SilverSniper brought it up as a historical fact to support a point.

And I accept it as a historical fact because I had since known that.

The odd person out (regarding knowledge of this common information) among the three of us therefore become obvious.

And as I have shown this fact (in conjunction with an earlier one I had cited of how Benin kingdom was groinded by civil war) supports thw independent accounts pf Crowther and Johnson that:

Oyo forced tributes from Benin kingdom.

All your claims; Oyo forced tribute from Benin, Benin regarded Ooni as gods, Benin oba prayed to Ooni, all these claims are classified as myths with no evidence to such claims. Myths always end up to be false.,
You know what is not myths and proven to be true??
Benin conquered and ruled Yorubaland for hundreds of years
Benin collected tributes from Oyo and other Yoruba Kingdoms
Benin was the only empire proven to be real and not myth or fantasy like Ife.
Oduduwa was a foreigner who came, conquered and ruled Ife.
Benin was far greater and advanced than Ife.

Those are proven facts and common knowledge

Mraphel:
Yoruba never did...where is ur source?

I have gone through many threads on here were Yoruba claimed Queen of Sheba territory included Ijebu and Ife and she was buried there. And also that Ijebu is the real Jerusalem known as Jebu Isalem.
You guys are a joke lol.

Mraphel:
Where was Oranmiyan palace in Benin? Since u know better than i

Oranmiyan camped at Usama. He didn’t have a palace because he was never a king in Benin.

And FYI Benin city in those days was only the Oredo area. places like Uselu, Usama were not part of the Benin city area, overtime Benin city have expanded to include those areas.

samuk:
You are right, the Awujale of Ijebu is a reluctant participant in their current Yoruba experiment.

Every now and then, you keep hearing the Awujale making statements not in tandem with one Yoruba project.

It's either you hear him referred to the Ooni as a descendant of a shrine keeper or you hear him referring to Yoruba as a brand name to unite people of different tribes who didn't share one common heritage.

I wonder where their story of queen of sheba fits into their common Oduduwa heritage history.

It was the same Yoruba that said Queen of Sheba was buried in Ijebu and that Ijebu is the real Jerusalem called Jebu Isalem.
I no fit laught.

Mraphel:
Is palace was at Uselu. Wait o!! You mean Uselu outskirts of Benin? You're funny. But his Omonoba descendants now have the full access

Whose palace was at Uselu? Do u even know what you are talking about?
Why don’t u read before you come on here to argue rubbish.

Mraphel:
Let us know the Yoruba kingdom and villages sir.
Likewise Yoruba conquered Benin, Ibilo amongst others.

I don’t have to start teaching you what is common knowledge.
It is well known fact that Benin Kingdom subjugated almost all of Yorubaland.

Even your Alafin have been documented as saying that his predecessors and other Yoruba Kingdoms were paying tribute to the powerful Oba of Benin.

Mraphel:
Oba Oranmiyan(Yoruba) stole your glory from the hands of Ogiso. He's son Oba Eweka still Yoruba are the real binis.

Ogiso kings were bannished by Oba Oranmiyan in his surjorn in Benin. He replaced it with Oba a yoruba kingship title.


Oduduwa never came from Ife to be king in Igodomigodo...Oranmiyan did, and he was the first Oba.
All other Obas are Omonoba translated to son of the Obas.

Please keep quiet. Oranmiyan never set foot in Benin proper. He couldn’t defeat the people to enter Benin. He could only reach the outskirts of Benin and there he stayed till he left.

samuk:
Insults will not save you now, you can't retort to insults after losing the debate.

I said it before that there were more to the Benin/Yoruba history that you guys would like to propagate.

Silversniper is way out of your league. Unless you can show me where he came down to your gutter level in spite of your provocative languages and insults.

I am ordering Johnson books on history of Yoruba.

1. Ooni was nothing but a descendant of shrine keeper

2. The so much talked about Yoruba Kiriji war got
the name from the almighty sounds of Benin guns

3 . Alaafin once begged the Oba of Benin to come save him from other Yoruba tribes

4. Alaafin once paid tributes to Benin.

How interesting.

Actually Benin soldiers fought alongside with the Yorubas during the Kiriji wars. Benin was protecting its interests in Eastern Yoruba and supplied the Ekiti parapo with weapons, logistics and soldiers.

TAO11:
Historical evidence (which he admits) exist in that case to corroborate what not only Johnson but also Crowther had documented.

Historical evidence shows that Oyo gained military and political ascendancy over other kingdoms including Benin kingdom. And he accept that.


So? Johnson and Crowther independently recording account of tribute from Benin to Oyo is therefore corroborated by such widely attested fact.


In the case of the Ooni, it's the other way around.

Overwhelming account all over Yorubaland refute such few one-off traditions.


And it is not just me who see this clearly like this, experts too do, Professor R. C.C. Law

You need to bring your brain to discussions like this and stop comparing chalk and cheese.

You are still continuing with this your self deceit lol. Which historical evidence points to Oyo gaining military might over Benin? Only oral accounts said it but even the oral accounts never narrates about any confrontation between Oyo or Benin or describe any scenario where Benin paid tributes to Oyo.
On the other hand there are multiple oral accounts supported by historical evidence that Benin conquered and ruled over Yoruba for hundreds of years.
Details are given of how Benin conquered Yoruba Kingdoms and villages..

You should promote the present achievement of the Yorubas. If you keep engaging yourself in history that never favoured you, you will always be a loser.

gregyboy:
It seems you have agreed oghene is ife

No.. I can’t agree to such myths.
My point is if Ife was so great at that time why was it only known as a certain place according to the submission by these dumb Yoruba revisionists.

TAO11:
You're gradually becoming humble

He was instrumental to a new political order that gave birthed the primacy of Ife.

Not that he gave birth to every Ife indigene. Lol





Edo advanced society that didnt wear cloth.

If u interpret my trying to not see u as a foolish person as being humble that’s fine lol.

So you agree that Ife wasn’t a great Kingdom before Oduduwa came..
so where did oduduwa come from? Historians and scholars have all said he didn’t come from any of Yoruba villages, so where did he come from?

TAO11:
Shut up! Odudwa did not establish any Ife.


You know nothing. Let your parents talk to me.

If oduduwa did not establish Ife then why is he regarded as the father of Yoruba race? Why would someone be regarded as father of a race that was already established and great??

Even if you say Oduduwa did not establish Ife, he was the one that brought Ife to prominence. Before Oduduwa Ife was nothing but Edo was already an advanced society.

You won’t stop looking stupid abi.

TAO11:
Ife subjugated Edo.

Ogiso is still fighting in court till tomorrow.

That’s not what history tells us. History tells us Benin Kingdom of the Edo people conquered and ruled over most of Yorubaland for hundreds of years.
That’s what your famous historians all agree on.

TAO11:
Except that that wasnt the focus of my flogging.

Anyway, Oduduwa is Ife.

I don't have to repeat it humdred times before you hear.

Do you know that it was shortly after oduduwa established Ife he is said to have sent his grandson Oranmiyan to rule in Edo? So we can assume it was around 30yrs after he conquered and established Ife Kingdom that he went to Benin which already had an organized society and a monarchy system in place hundreds of years before Oduduwa established kingship in Ife. Ife before Oduduwa was an unknown settlement of no significance.
Benin however was already an advanced society long before Ife Kingdom was established by Oduduwa.

TAO11:
Like your your Edo ancestors whom we cam to subjugate for about 1000 years and still counting?

Hahaha.. who subjugated who? Who ruled over who? You are a joker.

TAO11:
Somebody went to hire you. Lol.

Well, not the piits particularly, but certain charcoal samples at the same site. And the datings vary.

And there is nothing that suggests that a site could not have been occupied for different purposes over the centuries.


You seem to want to trust the suggestion of Eisenhofer but some want to disregard the actual find of Willett which he himself called "burial pits".

Damm you are a real fool.

TAO11:
I think 10 steps ahead of you, okay? So calm down.

You're still haughty.

Now, I'm about to ask you to go away and let your parents talk to me.

You have been proven to be a dull child numerous times.
All your foolish analysis and citations didn’t tell you where Oduduwa originally came from.

You will soon run away in shame.

TAO11:
At the point when I'm convinced of your humility to learn then I will treat you accordingly as a student.

But now as a proud ignoramous that you make yourself, no mercy for you --- you shall be continuously rubbished.

Stop speaking nonsense and just proudly answer the question. Or are you scared of what may come after?

TAO11:
That you don't know where you're from doesn't necessarily mean that other don't.

Oduduwa is Yoruba from Ife.

Kill yourself!

Lol you are a real suegbe.. you cannot even support your claim that Oduduwa is originally a Yoruba man with evidence. I don’t want to embarrass you further by posting the works of historians that say oduduwa is a foreigner to Yoruba.. same historians that u have been referencing.. it will be too much for u to handle.

Now please tell me, did Oduduwa establish Ife Kingdom or was Ife already existing as a great Kingdom before oduduwa came?

davidnazee:
Why are you still lying to yourself? You like quoting writers and scholars why are you not reading their writings about the origin of oduduwa? Abi shame Dey catch you?

Truth is ododuwa is a foreigner who came to Ife and became a ruler. Before Oduduwa came Ife was nothing.. Ife’s greatness is credited to Oduduwa a foreigner.

I’m waiting for your answer.. How is Oduduwa originally a Yoruba man when he is described as someone who migrated from Mecca or Benin to become a ruler in Ife.

And did Oduduwa establish Ife Kingdom or Ife was already existing as a great Kingdom before oduduwa came?

TAO11:
I dont care what it is!

If you want your assertions to be taken seriously, then you better be ready to substantiate them. Otherwise hold your lips and avoid been embarrassed.

This is the same lesson for today that I've been "knacking" into your skull. You see your life??


Your ignorance is self-inflicted.

For the umpteenth time, Oduduwa is a Yoruba man from Ife.

Are you deaf or blind?

Why are you still lying to yourself? You like quoting writers and scholars why are you not reading their writings about the origin of oduduwa? Abi shame Dey catch you?

Truth is ododuwa is a foreigner who came to Ife and became a ruler. Before Oduduwa came Ife was nothing.. Ife’s greatness is credited to Oduduwa a foreigner.

TAO11:
So that you do not get the clue which you desperately want, I will not agree with your assertion here, neither will I disagree with it --- at least not now.

All I will ask you to do is produce a screenshot or link to where we had this particular discussion, I just want to check something.


Cheers

It wasn’t a direct discussion between us. You just mentioned the time at your location and it was same as mine.
Anyways let’s leave that. Just tell me your own opinion of where oduduwa came from.. or trekked from lol.