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TAO11:
This Benin lying rat is looking for a clues in order to begin its ultimate search.

Well, no clue shall be given to it except to continue flogging it and its ilks on Nairaland until there is not a single Benin lie left on its tongue no more.

You shall leave Nairaland better than you come into it, courtesy yours truly.

Shut up.. you said u were in the same time zone with me yesterday..
anyways have you come up with the answer to where Oduduwa originally came from??

TAO11:
Your skull is too thick.

Oduduwa is a fool-blooded Yoruba. IFE


And you haven't answered where your supposed ancestors Mr Idu and Mr Igodo treked or dropped from.
Are you ashamed to answer??

I don’t know where my ancestors migrated from, everyone must have migrated from someplace at sometime.. but we don’t have any myth about a stranger and foreigner trekking to Igodomigodo to become the father of Edo people.

TAO11:
You want to begin an ultimate search for me because in few weeks, I demolished a legacy of Benin lies which has been built since the year 1970.


No, I'm Oduduwa!

You are a goat lol.
I thought we are in the same country that’s why I asked.

TAO11:
Ahn Ahn! Why are you lying na??

Wait, I'm asking why davidnazee-the-liar is lying.

That's his job.

Anyways, let me disgrace you (like I did on your Izoduwa) by pasting the link this time around:

Abeg quick question, are you really a girl?

TAO11:
Shaking with shame

I have written extensively on Oduduwa on the same thread where I once slaughtered you. You did not but jump am pass.

And I have mentioned here more than twice that Oduduwa is Yoruba full blooded Ife-Yoruba

Is your skull too thick to grasp that??

Now try and help yourself by answering this question:

Where did Mr Idu and Mr Igodo trek or drop from??

Oduduwa is not originally from Yoruba. If you like keep lying to yourself it will never become truth for you.
Oduduwa is a foreigner to Yoruba. Even your tradition agrees to it.

TAO11:
Of course I have cited you expert submission on Ife on the thread where I first encountered you. Guess what you did!

You japa never to return there!!! Even with a blank check oo

No.. the only submissions you made was claims that Benin worship Ooni of Ife. And that was all you could say about Ife. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Let me add to your submission by saying this fact; Ife was a small village that had a strong native doctor.

TAO11:
Wait, he quickly changed topic when he sees that his beloved Izoduwa is a fairytale. Izoduwa vanished before his eyes!

They want to steal star boy Oduduwa by force by fire --- Who know lime better thing??


One more time: Where is is Mr Idu and Mr Igodo from??

From the sky?? Egypt?? Ife??

You are shaking with shame now. You cannot proudly defend your idiotic claim that oduduwa is a full blooded Yoruba man and cannot even support the theory that he trekked from Mecca to Ife because that theory is foolish..
unlike you Yorubas we don’t need a foreigner to prove our history or our myths.
Oduduwa your star boy is a foreigner to Yoruba and an exiled prince from Benin.
You don’t have to accept it but it is more true than your foolish theories of the fallen angel or great trekker from Mecca.

TAO11:
Benin myths ?? ?? ??


Give the phone to your parents. Youre obviously not capable.

Because you know Ife has no credible history you are trying to drag Benin down to its level lol. Defend your Ife if truly it was great like you say.

TAO11:
I will deal with you until there is no Benin lie left on your tongue.



Let's see how this fabricated Edo story of Ekaladerhan is being regarded in academia the world over:

The story that a certain prince Ekaladerhan found his way to Ife and became king there under the name Odudduwa has long been debunked and trashed, by experts in academia the world over, as an over ambitious myth.

A case is point is the submission of Dmitri M. Bondarenko, of the Institute for African Studies in the Russian Academy of Sciences, who is without doubt the most prolific and (arguably) the leading authority on Benin History in the world today. He writes and I quote here:

"Finally, there are the apocryphal versions of Benin oral tradition. ... (wherein) Ekaladerhan ... Some time later ... left Gwato for Ife."

"According to other versions of the kind, after leaving Gwato, Ekaladerhan founded another settlement, Ile-Ife and became her first ruler under the name of Oduduwa."

D. M. Bondarenko wrapped up his assessment of this apocryphal account (after having combed thoroughly through its different versions) by submitting that:

"However, a student of ancient Benin might feel obliged to reject the apocryphal versions without hesitation as deliberately unauthentic. There are no their records made before the early 1970s ..."

In other words, the apocryphal and deliberately unauthentic account which states that Ekalederhan became king in Ife are non-existent before the 1970s.

D. M. Bondarenko then puts the final nail in the coffin by submitting that:

"There is no doubt that the apocryphal versions are not authentic and are not popular. Their authors are representatives of the nationalistically-minded part of the Bini intelligentsia who are seeking to ground the idea of an exceptional antiquity for their people and claims for its exclusive part in the socio political life of independent Nigeria ... Behind such pseudohistorical studies by intellectuals, as if harmless, one can make out serious problems for the country ..."


Reference: Dmitri M. Bondarenko, "Advent of the Second (Oba) Dynasty: Another Assessment of a Benin History Key Point", History in Africa, Vol. 30 (2003), pp. 67 - 68, Cambridge University Press.

And did Mr. Dmitri accept that Oduduwa fell from the sky or trekked from Mecca to Ife? What was his conclusion on the origin of Oduduwa?
You are as confused as Dmitri.

TAO11:
Such story that a certain ancestor of Oduduwa has some seat is found only in your clogged Benin brain.

Give the phone to your parents I repeat.

Your fish brain only knows and celebrate myths and unfounded claims.. you have been using myths to challenge real and documented history.

Ife was just a village that had a great oracle from whom people from different places came to seek divination and when people got tired of the oracle Ife faded away. That was why all the early writers you referenced never saw Ife, only heard rumours of a certain place whose name they weren’t sure of and whose ruler was insignificant that they didn’t bother to go visit.

Yet all those historians visited Benin and recorded it as a great and mighty Kingdom which ruled over vast majority of Yorubaland. From the time the first Portuguese set foot on these parts till the British took over was a timeline of over 400yrs and Benin was recorded as the greatest Kingdom all that time and Ife was non existent.

TAO11:
Provide your academic evidence for "reserved a special seat for his ancestor"

Or give the phone to your parents if you can't!!!

I don’t need to provide any academic evidence for a story that is part of your tradition. Go ask your Yoruba ancestors who acknowledged and testified to that claim.

TAO11:
So, because you don't know where your first Ogiso came from means that Oduduwa is not Yoruba but from Benin??

What kind of retarded logic is this??

Historians say Oduduwa is not from Benin, will you not listen and accept fate.

Where is Ogiso Igodo from


And for the last time, give your parents the phone.

Mugu don’t lie here. historians never said that Oduduwa is not from Benin. They said that Oduduwa is not originally from Yoruba but a foreigner who came and conquered you guys and became a ruler. That is what historians have said.
Also historians have questioned the theory that oduduwa walked over 7,000km to Ife. That is really absurd lol.
Historians are actually leaning towards the Benin theory.

TAO11:
Should we just pretend that we both didn't see that your comment above on, GrandSon, GreatGrandSon, etc was ridiculously pointless?? You bungled!!


Anyways, moving on with educating you:

We are here talking about ranking of monarchies --- And from the word itself, it clearly indicates seniority.

So, whether you like at it from the obvious father's-throne (Alaafin) vs son's-throne (Oba Ubinu) angle --- Alaafin ranks superior

Whether you loou look at it from the earlier-ascension (Alaafin Oranmiyan) vs later-ascension (Oba Eweka I) angle --- Alaafin ranks superior.


Note: As I have said earlier according to Yoruba accounts, Eweka became the first Oba of Benin.

However, as at the time Oranmitan left Benin to become Alaafin Oyo, Eweka I was just been born as a babe who is to become king years later when he grows up.

So, however you want to look at it, whether from father's-throne vs son's-throne angle; or from the earlier-ascension vs latter-ascension angle --- the Alaafin's throne (Oranmiyan) still ranks superior to Oba Ubinu's throne (Eweka I).

And yes, Oba Eweka II is not stupid in the attachment below, contrary to what you think about him.

I still say you sound foolish.
You claim Oba Eweka II prays to the Oghene.. but it is also a known fact tha Oduduwa the first Ooni whom u Yorubas worship reserved a sit specially for his ancestors in his palace and only an Edo man can sit on it.
Isn’t that enough evidence that his ancestors was Edo.. and when Europeans visited these parts Edo was still ruling Yorubas.

TAO11:
Provide evidence for any claims you make or had thw phone to your parents and allow them talk to me instead.


Moreover, I'm waiting for your proof that Mr Idu and Ogiso Igodo are Edos.

Or you people don't have origin ??

So you agree oduduwa is not originally Yoruba.
And we can logically agree that he did not fall from the sky, which leaves 2 theories to debate.. He is either a refugee from Mecca or a Benin prince.

I think common sense should tell us it’s more reasonable that oduduwa came from Benin to Ife which is only about 200km apart rather than from Mecca which is over 7,000km from Nigeria. Do u know how many years it will take to walk that distance?
If it took the Israelites 40yrs to walk from Egypt to Israel a distance of 600km how long will it take Oduduwa to walk a distance of over 7,000km?
So this your theory of Oduduwa coming from Mecca is foolish.. Oduduwa is a Benin prince, and it was said that in his lifetime he reserved a sit in his palace for his ancestors and only an Edo man can sit on that sit.

TAO11:
Your expectation that I should have written about the history of Mathematics when I am in fact being challenged to solve an algebraic equation could only have come from a Covid-19 patient.

Why didn't you start typing about the origin of your ancestor, Ogiso Igodo or the so-called Mr Idu when you were been challenged to defend something else.

I think I am talking to a mad person. Or I may have caused serious damage in your brain while the flogging was ongoing.


And for the last time if you know you're too dvmb to substantiate any claim you make, then give the phone to your parents let them talk to me.

It’s only a fool and coward that run from real challenge.. Prove how Oduduwa is a full blooded Yoruba man and not a refugee from Mecca or an exiled Benin prince.

You quoted Aveiro, Perierra, Ryder, Mary slessor and many other early writers.. All these writers visited and explored West African in their lifetime.. How come none of them ever saw Ife? They only heard of a certain place whose name they don’t even know.. they didn’t know the name of the place or the name of the ruler.. but these writers met and documented Benin Kingdom as a powerful Kingdom ruling over most of Yorubaland and yet you say these writers claim Ife which they never saw or heard of accurately is greater than Benin.

Note that these writers visited at a time when Benin was sending ambassadors to Europe, even many Niger Delta tribes were also visiting Europe at that time. But your mystical great Ife was still unknown.
How stupid can you be??

TAO11:
Warning!!! The comment below contains academic reference, logic, and common-sense: Brace yourself.

From the same article you attached:

(1) Ryder only said in "records" --- He never said anywhere that there was no connection.

(2) He clarified that there is a well known-connection.

He objected to his own conclusion that the Ogane's kingdom is "probably" in the Niger-Benue confluence. He wrote:

"Many objections may be raised against such an argument, the most cogent being those which demonstrate the well-known links between Between Benin and Ife."
Reference:
Ryder, (1965), p.35.

(3) Most importantly, his conclusion that no written record existed follows from the following:

(a) João Afonso d'Aveiros documented in c.1480
about the connection between Benin Kingdom and the Kingdom of the Ogane.

(b) He himself believed (although probabilistically) that the Kingdom of this Oghene is in the Niger-Benue confluence --- not in Ife.

(c) Hence, he concludes that there was no record of Benin's connection with Ife.

(4) But since it has been demonstrated overwhelmingly by historians (in modern times) that the Ogane of d'Aveiro's c.1480 account, is none other than the Ooni of Ife (see attached); then it becomes clear that Ryders conclusion of no records of connection is blatantly erroneous.


In conclusion, not only is there evidence of early connection even from the source you've put forward; there is in fact evidence of early record of connection as seen in d'Aveiros' c.1480 account.

Keep trying. Don't give up just yet.

Cheers!

All this your posts still doesn’t answer the origin of Oduduwa.. He is not a Yoruba man but a foreigner who came and conquered and ruled your ancestors.

A question for u, how come all these writers u have been referencing never saw Ife? Many of them visited and explored these parts. They visited at a time when Benin was at the height of its power, they also explored other tribes even up to Oyo. But yet they never saw Ife.. they always claimed they heard of a certain place whose name and ruler they are not even sure of.

If Ife was a great Kingdom or empire as you claim why didn’t they ever visit it. How come they aren’t even sure of the correct name of Ife or Ooni who u claim to be the greatest empire and ruler at that time.

It is a known fact that visitors or explorers will always visit the greatest Kingdom and ruler of territories they explore..
all the early Europeans and writers you have quoted never saw Ife during their sojourn in West Africa.. They all claim they heard of a certain place because that is what Ife was.. A certain place that is a no place..

TAO11:
Modern human, Olden human --- What js impkrtant is that the oldest human bones are found in Yorubaland.

You haven't shown one thing for your Benin.Wait, where is your academic evidence for the 2500 years old Benin kingdom which I asked for?? Oh I guess you've now learnt your lesson to always say only what you can prove. Unlike your male counterpart, I see growth in you.

What authenticity was questiomed when artwork was stolen? How does this counter my argument that nothing of Benin history was written down until Egharevba did? Does the artwork show when Ekalderhan said is name was the laughable non-existent Izoduwa??


Now regarding replying you early or not. Dont start lying, okay!

I replied after you asked and before you asked the very second time. Go check the order of the comments.

And I am waiting for your apology on yoir allegation that I said Oduduwa didnt exist.

How you came to the conclusion of the content of a many-page article without opening it is still interesting. Or what you mean is that one of its several conclusions doesn't is not what you want to hear?

And Oba Ewuare II himself admitted in 2018 at Ife that the first Oba of Benin was an Ife prince.

Regarding the part of your comment that some said he came from the sky, some say Egypt, or Mecca:

Well, it shows that we Yorubas don't convene and agree to a lie like some dis in the 1970s. We are dynamic.

Moreover, tell me: From where did Ogiso Igodo order his parachute with which he dived from the sky into Benin city.

Also tell me how God Almighty himself gave birth to the first Oba of Benin as his last born son --- according to Omo N'Oba ErediauwaII.

Also tell me when how the first Edos travel from Egypt according to Egharevba.

Or tell me how how the Edos migrate from Ife to Benin ciy where they came to displace some Ivbirinwineko --- according to the Iso Norho tradition.

There seem to be more contradictory jokes from Benin kingdom if you really wanna play the card of mythology.


Of all human race in the world, only the Edos are timid to narrate their mythology --- others including the Yorubas, Greeks, Romans rock theirs proudly while they know where to draw the line between it and their history

So can you now draw a line between your myths and your history?
Tell your history of Ife that is not a myth.

TAO11:
Odudwa is Yoruba --- A full blooded Ife-Yoruba.

They want to cry!

How is Oduduwa originally a Yoruba man?
The only available theories about his origin are;

He came down from the skies
He came from the Middle East
He is a Benin Prince.

Which of this theories makes him full blooded Yoruba?
You are a shallow minded and foolish person.

samuk:
Below is what Metaphysical said about how stupid your Orun Oba Ado fallacy is

MetaPhysical:


You are still uncivilized gregyboy, still very uncivilized!

There are rites performed at succession to thrones and the new king takes a sacred oath over the body of the predecessor. This oath seals the continuity of dynasty. Once the predecessor is put into ground his remains can never, and must never, again come out. Its a taboo to exhume a king. This is reason they are never buried in cemetry.

If you exhume the heads of kings their successors will perish.

Willett was told by your chiefs in Edo the tradition of sending the head of your Oba for burial in Ife. Willett went to Ife and corroborated the story. He asked to see the site and it was shown to him. He went about digging the sites looking for buried heads. What a foolish Englishman! Did he expect the people to break their taboos because an Englishman wanted to prove their account? The most absurd request!

The fact that both side corroborate same account should be enuff.

Your elders say its tradition in Benin, Ife say its tradition but your forest-roaming instinct wants a dig.

People are not reckless like you and Willett.

That is what happens when people try to portray myths as real truth. Myths have been proven to always be false and full of contradictions.

TAO11:
It is not my fault that your base thinking, your single digit IQ, and your thick skull does not make you realize that to be taken seriously by intelligent folks? then you need to cite academic substantiation to buttress every single controvertible assertion you make.

You don't just tell an intelligent person that something is a fact and then pray that he will nod along in agreement without asking you for evkdence, proof, or reason.

I can as well ask my four-year old daughter to takeover the key board and type any grandiose imagination about Yoruba land --- which is basically what you and your ilks have been doing.

Anyways you have already confessed to be dvmb and scared to death to read written text but just picture like Queen Primer and My Book of Bible Story. Yet you think you can challenge ny four year old daughter to debate.

Like I have told you earlier, go away and let your parents debate with me. You are way dvmber than I thought.

Fool leave your kid out of it before people start swearing for her lol.
Anyways why are you upset at my post? Isn’t it true?
Benin Kingdom was far greater than Ife, oduduwa is not Yoruba and all your argument centres around myths and false narrative.
Someone writing his opinion about what he thinks doesn’t make it true. What is true is what they witnessed and that is a powerful Benin ruling over most of Yorubaland and that is something that you can never change.

Anyways don’t forget Oduduwa is not Yoruba, he is a foreigner that came to rule your ancestors.. So what you are trying to prove with Benin is exactly what you Yorubas have accepted as your own case.

TAO11:
I am trashing the lies of lyin Benin Nairalanders, yet what this poor boy want me to cite is Yoruba articles and not Benin articles.

So that he can cry wolf saying: nA YoRuBa ArTiClE yOu DeY cItE.

BENIN LOGIG --- BNLGC 101.

Anyways, I did cite some like Professor R. C. C. Law's "The Heritage of Oduduwa" where he confirmed the practice of sending the heads of Benin kings to Ife for burial.

Are you satisfied now??

The only person lying is you. You cannot change Benin history, the details you are trying to debunk has been known for hundreds of years.
Better for you to talk about Ife history if there’s anything to really talk about.

Fact:: Benin Kingdom was far greater than Ife.
Fact:: Oduduwa is NOT Yoruba.

TAO11:
You seem to be missing out only the most relevant parts of my comment.

Let me bolden it:
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Before 1970, Benin had its own written history, by the Binis. And that pre-1970 written history says the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the revisionists came up with from the 1970s upwards.

Do you now understand what I said?


Now, to the boldened part lf your comment.

First, historians don't simply give opinions as if it is something random --- doing that means that the subject called history is a joke.

Second, you obviously are shying away from reading by yourself yet you want to debate history.

Anyways, for all historians studying Yoruba history, Odudwa is the Yoruba king who became the first central king of a unified Ile-Ife.

And it is the same Ife palace from where he and his descendants rule that gave Benin its king.

The same palace visited by Oba Ewuare II in 2018, from where he then proceeded to pay homage at the burial site lf the h3@ds of certain Benin Obas.

See timestamp xxxx in the attaced Channels TV video below

Everything you have been doing is an example of Myth vs History.. you have been trying hard to prove your myths are true and history as false.
You keep referencing European explorers and early writers in your futile attempt at replacing known history with your foolish myths.
These Europeans and writers you referenced, many of them actually visited these parts and what did they meet or see?

They never saw a great Ife, not even ruins that point to an ancient great Kingdom of Ife. The only ruins they saw was of Oyo Kingdom.
But instead they saw a great and powerful Benin Kingdom which ruled over most of Yorubaland and your ancestors and that is exactly what they documented.

TAO11:
You seem to be missing out only the most relevant parts of my comment.

Let me bolden it:
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Before 1970, Benin had its own written history, by the Binis. And that pre-1970 written history says the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the revisionists came up with from the 1970s upwards.

Do you now understand what I said?

You don’t know how foolish you sound.
Every article you have ever posted is about Benin because Benin Kingdom was the only real Kingdom to have been documented in details. When Europeans and early writers visited this parts the only Kingdom they met was Benin Kingdom which they described as a powerful Kingdom.
No writer from even thousands of years ago saw Ife. Even the Arab writer you referenced wrote about the myths he heard about Ife. All articles written about Ife are always myths with no evidence to back it up.

All great Kingdoms and empires are always discussed in details with facts. Empires older than Ife are well documented in details even Oyo empire is well written about but Ife dwells on myth and false narratives.

The only thing u have succeeded in doing is promoting the greatness of Benin.

TAO11:
Sha no go commit suicide oo.

Anyways, every sane and stable mind knows that they will rather go with my evidence-based conclusion (which is based simply on the submission of historians with full historical referencing).

Than to even read your gibberish rants which is simply a product of your wild emotional imagination with not even one tiny shred of academic historical referencing.

Indeed, truth is bitter!





Before you go, there is one last one I'm currently typing up oo --- The Ogane.

No go commit suicide oo.

Lol abi Na u Dey sweat for brain from trying to come up with stories that don’t touch.

I wonder what you are trying desperately to prove. If you are talking about Benin kings being buried at Ife, it’s a story everyone already heard and also heard Benin denying such claims overtime so you are doing nothing new.

If you are trying to prove Ife was greater than Benin then don’t waste your time. People you are trying to convince are witnesses to the impact of Benin power and rule over their societies and they will be the first to tell you benin was greater than Ife.

So keep up your charade, at best you are entertaining us.

TAO11:
Where is the picture of your brain??

No picture --- then no brain for yoh!!


Anyways, sane and sensible people know that articles published in journals of archaeology, etc. are authoritative even if written in words.

I have been cited authoritative journals with detailed reference and links to the materials with page number. But you're dead-scared to open and read.

Get yourself "Queen Primer" it has pictures and text. Start learning to read from there.

I hope you won't comit suicide sha.

Truth is bitter, I understand.

Which truth is bitter? nobody cares about your idiotic posts.
This your maniacal attempt to change history is coming too late.. Benin don't need to explain or prove the greatness of Benin Kingdom because the impact of Benin is still felt till today even in Yorubalands unlike you Yorubas that will continue to explain and lie and distort history inorder to gain historical relevance which you do not have.

Every evidence you have provided only shows one thing and that is that Yoruba history is filled with myths and speculation.. There is no detailed account of Ife history, not even of Oranmiyan till his sojourn in Benin. The only accounts (even the myths) of Ife is always about its supposed relationship to Benin Kingdom.
Benin (Igodomigodo) predates Ife and is greater than Ife. That is a known fact.

TAO11:
In the year 1961 the prominent archaeologist, Frank Willett began conducting archaeological excavation of a number of ancient sites in ife.

The relevant one here is his 1961-2 archaeological excavation of the Orun Oba Ado site, where he made some finds which I find to be astoundingly outstanding.

Wait! Did he find skulls?

No, he didn't --- At least not in the parts of Orun Oba Ado which he fully excavated.

What then could he have found that I consider to be an astounding find, which I also nlted to be corroborative of the details given by Chief Egharevba in the 1940s??

Before revealing this, I will allude to a very important statement he made in relation to another excavation quest --- his "excavation of the area around the Opa Oranmiyan":

He indicated that to disprove a local tradition of olden burial, what archaeologists look out for is the absense of burial pits.

In other words, archaeologists themselves understand that the absense of human remains is not the factor for disproof.

In other words, human remains could be put to other 'sacred' use long before present times.


Having clarified this, what then did Frank Willett find during his excavation of Orun Oba Ado??

Did he find olden burial pits at the Orun Oba Ado site during the course of his excavation of the site??

And the answer is YES!

In fact, the most important aspect of this find is not simply his discovery of the burial pits, but the number of the burial pits he found at the site.

He found eleven (11) circular pits which he himself termed "burial pits".

See below for reference:
WILLETT 2004: Chapter 1.3. cited in James W. Lankton, O. Akin Ige, & Thilo Rehren, "Early Primary Glass Production in Southern Nigeria", Journal of African Archaeology, Vol. 4 (1), 2006, PP.125-126.
See copy here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274431270_Early_primary_glass_production_in_southern_Nigeria.



Recall that Chief Egharevba had in the 1940s given the historical data that the practice of sending the exhumed heads of Benin kings to Ife for burial was done in every third reign:

Now let's do an appropriate enumeration of the number of thirds-reign Benin Kings and see if it also come to eleven (11).

See next comment.

cc: OgboAto MetaPhysical macof

Please where is the picture of the burial sites or graves and what evidence is there that says it was Benin kings buried there?
Do you know that the same historians you quote also agrees that the institution of kingship in Benin is older than that of Ile-Ife or other Yoruba states.. so how can Ife be older or greater than Benin?
continue your bad work of revisionist, it doesn't change a thing or place Ife above Benin..

TAO11:
(1) Starting with the Ife-Benin Connection of which the Ooni is suzerain over Benin Kingdom:

Unlike the Benin liars, I won't be imagining jokes and passing them off as historical facts.

No, what I will be doing instead is to submit the contemporary unanimous conclusions of historians (by citing academic sources --- and not some my-uncle-told-me-stories) in respect of my argument.

Now, is their any shred of historical information dating which supports the superior connection of Ife to Benin??

Yes! There is more than historical information. There is, in fact, hard archaeological evidence dating to at least the early 1300

Only one example only is enough.

The first attachment below shows a copper allow figure dated to the early 1300, depicting the then Ooni of Ife in full ceremonial robe --- according to the unanimous conclusion of experts.

The shocker --- This figure was EXCAVATED from the Palace of Benin Kingdom. And it is kept in the Benin Museum even as I type.

Reference:
S. P. Blier, (2012), p.77.

You are really shallow. A bronze figure from another tribe use as decoration in the Benin palace doesn’t tell any story. There are other sculptures from different tribes used as decoration in palaces.
Benin sculptures were also found in Ooni palace. They are all decorations.

You celebrating an art work found in Benin palace shows how deluded and desperate you are.

TAO11:
MetaPhysical:

In case I get banned again, please reach me on TAO.11@yahoo.com. Please drop me your email as well.

Now, I will be taking the issue from the
Ife-Benin Connection, then I will move to Orun Oba Ado, and then to
the Ogané (whom d'Aveiros noted to be to the "east" of Benin) who is none other than the Ooni of Ife..

I have dealt with these three issues on the other threads where they went absolutely quiet.

They've only escaped down here to deceive those who didn't witness the exchange all because I was away.

God don catch them Im back.

Is Ife east of Benin? Is your brain correct?
If D’avieros was talking about Ooni and Ife he would have written it correctly as Ooni and ife.

Moneywomen17:
lol so the truth is that Benin story have been changing from generations to generation. Well am not surprised that’s what happens with oral history. With that said u said the original story that Elkhadaren or whoever he was escaped to ughoton and there is no correlation to ife or any oduduwa. So ife and oduduwa seperate from Benin and elkhadaren. I want u to acknowledge this before I move on to my next point.

Isn’t the Ife story as narrated by Yoruba oral history too? All oral and myth with no evidence to back it up. Even your oral account are all short sentences and speculations..

samuk:
The early writers themselves never actually mentioned Ife per say, even Benin never mentioned Ife but Uhe.

The place that was mentioned by early European writers was either a place referred to as Ogane or Uhe.

It was the later day Yoruba influenced historians that stated equating Ogane or Uhe to mean Ife.

You will not find Ife written anywhere in most of the early written accounts of Benin history by Europeans.

This your comment just brought a question to my mind to as the Yorubas.

The early Europeans never mentioned the name Ife in their writings and binis never mentioned Ife but uhe.
So please Yoruba people, what was the early name of Ife?? If it has always been called Ife then the place mentioned by the early writers and bini was not Ife because they couldn’t have mistaken the name for another name.

MetaPhysical:
Benin did not sell slaves because your Oba reserved you as a sacrifice stock to Yoruba gods.

So we are not slaves but sacrificial stocks?? lol. So you agree you guys are the slaves.

samuk:
If it was true that the Oba of Benin at anytime in the past sort for validity from any source, the source according to Benin history could have been a deity.

The deity was so held in high reverence that it's often said in Benin that it was because people often give birth to children that will be greater than them, that was the reason God created/gave birth to this deity, meaning that this deity was seen in the past as either on the same level or greater than God. It wasn't human.

The European could have mistaken the high priest of this deity to be a king.

There is still a village close to Benin that is the headquarters of this shrine and deity, they are the only people till date that celebrate the Igue festival before the Oba.

After they celebrate Igue, the Oba, the princes/princess, followed by the rest of Edo people.

You would have probably know the village I am referring to by now.

I don't want to say much before the Yorubas claim it as theirs.

This shrine was similar to the ancient Greek shrine of Delphi.

The ancient Greeks considered the centre of the world to be in Delphi.

It was were everyone including kings in the classical world went to consult the oracle of Appolo.

"Apollo spoke through his oracle. She had to be an older woman of blameless life chosen from among the peasants of the area. Alone in an enclosed inner sanctum (Ancient Greek adyton - "do not enter" she sat on a tripod seat over an opening in the earth (the "chasm"."

The practice is very similar to the source Metaphysical quoted.

Even the early European kings sort approval of their crown from the pope, and they all revered the pope and regarded him as their spiritual leader. Does that mean the pope or Vatican was greater than these European kings or kingdoms?

many of those writers these Yorubas are citing now always noted that Ife was a spiritual place just like the Vatican was to Europe. They never said Ife was an empire or greater than Benin.