₦airaland Forum

MetaPhysical:
Gregyboy,
You are even committing more blunders in your attempt to give clarifications.

Let me do this, i dont want to stress you, so I will ask you to bring both Esan and Edo people who know thoroughly the history of the coast to come and defend lies put up there by the author. I understand you were planning this to be a series. Part I is already controversial. Be clear before posting more parts.


Let me also use the opportunity now to correct you that Itsekiri Kingdom was not part of Benin Kingdom. Each was an independent Kingdom.

Itsekiriland was settled by Ijebus many centuries ago. Their Monarch now is a dynasty from Benin. Their story is similar to Lagos, settled by Aworis.

Itsekiri was part of Great Benin Kingdom until it broke away to become an independent kingdom.
And also, many parts of Yorubaland was colonies of Benin Kingdom under Benin rule for many years.

ednut1:
1200 men destroyed u guys. Una juju no work

1200 U.S marines with their advanced weapons will destroy Nigeria army today.. black race is still weak compared to the whites.. same yesterday, today and probably will be the same tomorrow

ImperialYoruba:
If you knew history of Yorubaland you would have recognized that all those names you listed are Yoruba names. Any word with Ol- as prefix is Yoruba. Any word with Ad- as prefix is Yoruba. Any word with El-, or Al-, or Il- as prefix is Yoruba. There are many more but Im sure you got the the understanding.

On invasion, I will save Bini the embarassment, but records exists that dispute what you wrote. I cannot reveal these things without causing embarassment to the Bini throne. Bini is a brother to Oyo, what I wouldnt do to Oyo I dare not do to Bini.

Your statement about prefix is total rubbish.. You should have just said Yoruba started alpabets thenn
Please all exisiting written records favours Benin Kingdom..

chennaija:
Claim it and see what Ijaws will do. This is not about more 50% or majority as invaders like you also have in Edo states where Edo with Yoruba blood are majority over Edo with Igbo blood like Esan, Aushi, Ogbona, Igbanke, e.t.c., doesn't mean that Edo with Yoruba blood own the land. Don't mess with Ijaws, you will see their wrath. Ijaws are very very vicious!

You are very stupid.. who told u there is Edo with Yoruba or Igbo blood? So that is lie u afonjas and biafrans are using to deceive yourselves lol.

This Skiibi is dumb sha... which naval warships? The ones that don’t have batteries to work?
or he thinks Nigeria military can fight South Africa military??

TAO11:
I can see I have obviously knocked some sense out of your head while the flogging was ongoing, because none of the references I cited here has the name of Chief J. U. Egharevba.

And even if I ever make reference to the works of Chief Egharevba, yes he is the most authoritative indigenous Bini historian the world has ever seen till date.

Name me one indigenous Bini historian who is more authoritative than Egharevba, and cite me the "European" scholar who said Egharevba's accounts of Benin history is fictional. Lie-lie Bini boy

And regarding your reference to certain Bini "edonet" website: I am glad that you clearly stated that your "edonet" stated "otherwise".

In other words, world renowned incontrovertible sources (such as The British Museum, Margaret Plass, or William Fagg) trace the origin of Bini bronze/brass casting to Ife in the 13th century; but your overzealous random Bini "edonet" website got it wrong here altogether.

Just to add something more to your skull: The name of the chief bronze caster sent from Ife to civilize the Binis into the art of bronze casting is Igueigha. And guess what, he is still being worshipped as a god in Benin kingdom till date at its shrine in Chief Ine's place.

If you truly live in Benin, then go now to Bronze Casters street to inquire (about this god whom they still worship till date) from the appropriate elders there.

If inferiority complex has not gripped and drenched them too, then they will definitely confirm my submission that he first came to Bini as an emissary from Ife to civilize the Binis into the art and craft of bronze casting.

Take note of the following very important point:

The contents of your Bini "edonet" or "edoworld" websites are accurate only to the extent that it agrees with world renowned expert, academic, and scholarly submissions, such as the British Museum, William Fagg, Margaret Plass, et al.



Every other comment you made beyond this point are your usual distractive incoherent disjointed ins@nely idi0tic rants.

Do you have any stories or tales to tell about Yoruba exploits? All you discussions and posts is only about Benin.. People only discuss about great kingdoms.. Benin was Great..

MetaPhysical:
Go and siddon in corner and suck pacifier!

What became Bini stories were founded by fables told by men who lived thousands of miles away and never knew where the Bini was. They heard tell tales from sailors and repeated the storiws....most embellished to great degrees. It should be called blogs. Today bloggers in California can talk about what you are doing in Benin without ever visiting you.

We need account from writers who viaited Benin. Those writers witnessed the truth first hand and everyone of them without exception said your first and second dynasties were donated from Ife....in addition to your arts and cults.

You have no indigeneous cult or art except what Ife taught to you. We civilized you!

You must share with us how you covered your body when Yoruba discovered you in the forest.

You Yorubas keep saying Yorubas founded this, Yorubas started that, Yorubas invented this, Yorubas Kingdom did this..
Yet most historical discussions is about Benin, most artifacts and art works are from Benin, most historical conquests and greatness is about Benin, most historical exploits are about Benin... Even Lagos history starts with Benin.
So please tell me what did Yorubas actually do or own?

Juliusmalema:
Obaseki is playing with fire

Has he forgotten he is an APC governor, and his state an APC state and currently at loggerhead with oshiomhole.

Secondly, there are also great population of Muslims in Edo state especially north...

I think he should accept the Ruga settlement to be in peace with buhari and APC.

Do u have any sense at all? Are the Muslims in Edo north Edo indigenes or Fulanis?
South west has rejected ruga and they are mostly Muslims.
Please have some sense, this ruga thing is about ethnic and land grabbing. It’s not religious. The Edo north Muslims reject ruga too!

DonXavi:
Edo Amaka!!!

Finally an Edo indigene don Amaka.

I choose Oba Ovoronmen as the greatest..
He stood tall and strong in the face of British conquest of Africa. When other kings around him (Yoruba kings for example) were bending the knees and surrendering to British rule without a fight, Oba Ovoranmen fought to keep his kingdom independent and free. Even though he lost the battle, he proved he wasn’t a coward.
In recognition of him, the British named their largest merchant ship after Ovoranmen.
If not for British interference in Africa Ovoranmen would probably have achieved a lot.

BlackSaints:
Who are you threatening? you clearly haven't encounter violent people before, that's why you are feeling fly.

The Aniomas..

Ijaws should be careful and not start a fire that will burn the Niger Delta.. if ijaws force Binis to take up arms and go to war, once Bini taste blood and war they won’t stop with ijaws. Ijaws don’t have the lands we want.

odigbosky:
Benin is the Salt of their story. If e no dy, d story no go sweet. Yes, that little insignificant Benin that they keep dragging along with themselves. The only foreign power that ever set foot in Benin before the British came were the Igalas during the time of Oba Esigie. Me I don't know where their story is coming from

No mind them.. small ogedengbe that was a thief raiding small farming villages is who yorubas are calling a hero..
even the Benin general in charge of the soldiers sent to capture ogedengbe was executed by the palace for failing to bring ogedengbe head..
the general not wanting to fight because he wanted to be home with his family sent a messenger to ogedengbe to inform him that Benin is coming for his head.. he knew ogedengbe will flee like a coward and save everyone the stress of fighting.. but the palace wanted only ogedengbe’s head so the general was executed for failing in his task..

Born2Breed:
"He also went as far as the present day Edo state. The Oba of Benin had to appease him before he desisted from waging war against his domain. He gave Ogedengbe presents of beads, slaves and other valuable articles."


You have started with this silly lies again. What year did Ogedengbe step foot in Benin and was appeased?

Go and read the account of one of the Benin chiefs caught during the British invasion who got angry at the Yoruba soldiers for betraying Benin after training some of them during the Kiriji war.

Ogedengbe never step foot in Benin and was never appeased,appease him for what? No tribe I repeat no tribe in Nigeria EVER won a battle against the Benin Empire. As rugged as the Ibadan warriors were they never dared Benin and as rugged as the Fulani jihaddist were they were stopped at Auchi.

Get your facts right,Ogedengbe wanted blessings and he was given to stop the Ibadan warriors who became bandits.

You forget that no Yoruba tales by moonlight is complete or sweet without the mighty Benin Kingdom included in it.
Truth is Ogedengbe was actually a bandit and he did venture into Benin territory but he fled when he heard the a small contingent of Benin soldiers were marching towards him to capture him.

He was never appeased. It was even his fighters that advised him to flee or be killed. They reminded him that Benin have never been and cannot be defeated in battle.
Yes Benin trained Yoruba fighters during the kiriji wars and also fought for them against Ibadan.

gentleiphy:
forgive him for being happily over zealous with the information he was trying to pass across based on logistics...Could have been first Nigerian though.But the message and lesson is what matters that as Nigerians we are born to succeed anywhere the environment is conducive and not hostile like back home.

You are correct bro.. I’m actually proud of him and any Nigerian that does good overseas..

Ofemannnu:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/guardian.ng/appointments/madu-becomes-minister-of-municipal-affairs-in-alberta-canada/amp

Congratulations to Mr Madu.. but oga poster, he is not the first black minister or highest position attained by blacks in Canada ooo..
Also he is not a federal minister, his position is same as state commissioner in Nigeria.

I’m just educating the general public, ipob no vex oo.. Igbo amaka!!

goalernestman:
3 fact about the place he meant.

1 He mentioned Just one place out of igbo Yoruba and Edo which is Benin he never mention Yoruba he never mention igbo.

2 he said the place was govern by Benin Oba, u can't expect someone in Cameroon to be govern by Buhari and not the Cameroon president.

3 he said the place is east or west in Benin city, he never said east or west of Benin he simply say the city.

With that he lives in benin nation but not the city

So you dont need God to come down to tell you he was talking about Benin nation, or let me just say Benin empire.

I wonder why people see the truth as glaring as it is and still deny the obvious.
No be completion again, when it was Edo was conquering..

ChristianNorth:
Oduduwa is an Igbo name corrupted from Odudunwa (last born). He was the youngest son of Eze Nri.

He moved to Ile Ife where the people started worshipping him because of his magical powers.

Chai!! so Igbos now want to claim oduduwa as Igbo prince lol. Na Benin be get this story ooo. abeg nna bros, make una go hustle usman dan fodio leave oduduwa for Benin.

In earlier comments we talked about the possibilty that some of the 'facts' that ended up in Olaudah's story came from people, Igbo and non-Igbo, that he encountered in the New World and in Europe. I agreed with that. And I would imagine that most of what he had to say about the political geography of his region of Africa outside of his own 'vale', as he called it, would certainly qualify as something he picked up outside of Africa. There's no way he heard the word 'Benin' in Africa, for example. The Bini of his time did not use that word, and their Igbo neighbours certainly did not.

He also talked about Abyssinia being a kingdom on the border with Benin. No way did he hear that while in Africa either. Explorers before Equiano had speculated, on the basis of certain signs said to be associated with the Bini monarchy, that the Bini had contact with Prester John, a legendary Christian King of Abysinia or somewhere in Asia. Equiano probably learnt about this speculation in the West, and it ended up in the political description of his part of Africa.

This is the main reason why I think building a hypothesis based on what he said about Benin, its extent and distance, it's hegemony and districts etc etc, is seriously flawed. He was almost certainly using other people's material there. These are things an 11-year old in 18th century Africa would be clueless about.

We stand on firmer ground when we come to what he said was going on INSIDE his own village, 'Essaka'. These are things that there are a chance he could have witnessed with his own eyes. Not misty kingdoms on the distant horizon like Benin and 'Abyssinia'.

Your analysis is very wrong and I believe written out of bias..
Equiano wrote his book in the 1700s which means he was born in that century..
Benin was already known as Benin in the 1700s.. Oranmiyan names the land Ile ibinu around the 12th century or earlier than that.
Benin influence was known to extend as far Ghana and Congo in both directions. We didn’t know that from Equiano.. Benin influence is still felt till today in most of these areas.
Early Europeans described Benin as a highly advanced society and Equiano describes it same too.
If he got all these from other people’s work like u say then he would have mentioned Oyo empire or Fulani.. but he focused only on Benin because that was the only kingdom/nation he knew and was born in..
An 11yr old is wise enough to understand and know the society and names around him.. He could have heard it sitting with his father or elders when they are talking..

Bluemetal:
This is possibly the first published book by a Nigerian in the world, and by an Igbo Man!

NIGERIA ................EAT YOUR HEART OUT!

Igbo Kwenu!

You are very wrong.. When the book was written there was no Nigeria.. His identity at the time he wrote the book was; Igbo by tribe and Benin by nationality..
Long live Benin kingdom!!

He was the son of the last Ogiso of the Edo people and an exiled prince.. not that we Edos are proud of him or sing his praises.. we only recognize him as our exiled prince that became great in the land of the Afonjas..
That is the story.

Obi1kenobi:
1) Your right to agitation, deliberation or whatever is different from your right to self-determination. No such right exists anywhere in the world no matter how much you cry about it. Onitsha people can agitate for whatever they want, but without the consent of other Anambrarians, their cause would be a fruitless waste of time. That is the point.

2) To say a flag cannot be an act of provocation is reetarded. It depends on what the flag represents. Waving an Arsenal flag in a Nigerian game is different from waving a Biafran flag. The latter is clearly intended as a provocation and would be perceived as such by other people. Any mooron that goes to a football game (a leisure activity where people just want to have fun and enjoy themselves) to wave a politically inflammatory, divisive flag intends to provoke people.

If you like, keep up with advocacy for foolish provocateurs. This is why I tell many of you that your Biafran agitation is a fraud. You have no Biafran aspirations. You just love the attention of being nuisances. Cos if you reeeally cared about the cause you claim you care about, you would understand that except you can achieve your aim by warfare, you would need the support of other Nigerians to achieve your secessionist aim. Instead, you make enemies everywhere, provoke everyone and constitute an abhorrent nuisance that irritates even other fellow Igbos. Kwantinuu. I've already seen that most of you Biafran agitators are just attention-seekers. That's all.

You have more sense than the ipob you are replying to..

Obalufon:
i believe everything in the bible also believe my ancestors ..is ease not to believe what is not yet into your understanding i will pardon your limited intellect and understanding.rational mind only help you to find the truth i pray you find the truth and prove all things soon the truth will unveil itself ..it was once believed that matter can't be created non destroy now Matter can be created and destroyed. matter can be spin out of nothingness void..physicist are now talking of multi universe and multiple dimension IN TIME AND SPACE ,"Do you know what that means, what my ancestors have known for 1000s of years

How can u believe everything in the bible and also believe what ur ancestors said? This is confusion from codeine and marijuana.
Have u ever thought that probably the chariot on fire those people talked about could have been a spaceship from an advanced civilization that visited earth long ago.. the people at that time will call it a chariot on fire because they didn’t know about these things.. could have been that beings from advanced civilization visited earth long ago and people existing that time worshipped them as gods..
However I will agree with u on the multiple dimensions/ alternate realities. I believe those are real and scientists are starting to believe it too and research on it.

Obalufon:
Yes you are high on white man's mentality you easily believe that Elijah ascend to heaven through chariot of fire also all the mysteries in the Bible but you can't believe Our own claim just because we are blacks ...Yorubas are different bro we are black but different genetically scientifically proven by your white lords ...ORUNMILA too ascend to heaven we are also waiting for the day he will return back "ELA RO WA'' but he left ifa to communicate with the unseen dimension to resolve our problems and challenges

I never told u I believe the whiteman story of Elijah and the chariot as true.. i doubt if it really happened like that. but your own story is insane..
like I said earlier, marijuana and codeine are doing their work in ur head lol.

Obalufon:
Go and study ifa Orunmila is the only historian of ile -ife Oduduwa was there from beginning of creation... Oduduwa the king descend believe it or not ..Oranfe Onile ina too descend from heaven like oduduwa... prehuman stage of life existed in ile-ife before human acquire mortal body .Science can't fathom it now but they will later

Marijuana and codeine doing their work..

I wonder how educated this Yoruba Oni is.. or is he playing pranks on the Igbos?
How can he say Igbos are the first race on earth..
the first humans on earth died out long ago..
Languages change over time.. in a thousand years from now, the languages we speak will fade out to new languages..
the Igbo language, along with Yoruba, Edo, English and other languages were not the spoken language thousands of years ago..
so how does the Oni know which race was the first to exist?

rhektor:
I mock yiur ignorance, since all these are starring you in the face but you deny it, I am not going to waste my time schooling you on nairaland go and complete your education

You have nothing to say.. the only information staring me in the face is your humiliating defeats at the hands of Nupe, Dahomey women, Hausa/Fulani and mighty Benin.
Oh and also how you sold each other into slavery.

geosegun:
So you are comparing Benin that was disgracefully deafeted just in 1897 to an empire (Yoruba) that has been doing great exploits centuries before then? You see una life? You guys are beginning to showcase your envy and ignorance gradually. Good to read these comments above... kkk

Abeg list the great exploits Yoruba did historically.. being defeated multiple times is not an exploit..

rhektor:
Yeah I know you have accounts including that of Dapper that claimed the walls of Bini shine like glass, stupid assertion bought and resold by Bini rewritters. Dapper that never set foot in Africa

Àwọn oniyeye

I’m not talking about European accounts.. don’t try to dodge the question.. give me a list of renowned great Yoruba kings that existed..
don’t call Sango that turned to thunder ooo, that is a lie.

rhektor:
Senseless response, I thought you're wise how wrong I was

So goan drink panadol as e be say my response Dey pain you.
Fact will always remain that Benin kingdom is greater than all Yoruba kingdoms.
Yorubas don’t even have any strong or reasonable stories about any Yoruba great kings that existed.. Benin have true accounts of the lives and policies of many kings.

rhektor:
Do you try to know the meaning of words before using them? How would you need to colonize the land /city that you found?

I don’t want to stretch ur brain past it’s limits, so I need to argue with u about founding a place and colonizing a place. But you can choose which of the 2 adjectives best describes Great Benin exploits in Eko (Lagos)..
Great Benin is known to have founded Lagos and also known to have colonized Lagos.

iphedhayhor:
By Shola Adekola - Lagos On Mar 27, 2019

As intrigues and counter-intrigues continue amongst members of the National Assembly over the sharing of positions in the coming ninth Assembly, the Senator-Elect for Abia North Senatorial District, Orji Uzor Kalu on Wednesday declared that he would vie for the Senate President should the All Progressives Congress (APC) does not zone the deputy Senate President seat to South-East zone.

Kalu said the federal government cannot afford to edge out the South Eastern part of the country out of distribution of positions in the new dispensation.

Kalu while speaking with some journalists at the international wing of the Murtala Muhammed Airport yesterday, insisted that since the position of the Senate President (SP) had been allocated to the North West that the South East cannot settle for less than the Deputy Senate President (DSP) position.

According to Kalu, as a Senator representing a zone from South East, nothing will stop him from running for the position of the deputy senate president openly on the floor of the Senate.

“I want to respect the party’s wish on the Senate Presidency and the second position is what we are not going to allow to leave the South East. So as far as am concerned, in the South East, I am going to run openly on the floor of the House as Deputy Senate President. I am not going to listen to anybody. Nobody who is going to be the Deputy Senate President is more loyal than I am to the party.

“I learnt they ceded the DSP to the North West, but it is not right to do anything like that. We are going to contest this vehemently on the floor of the house. I have the backing of my colleagues. I am going to be withdrawing from the Senate Presidency to run for DSP because the party is supreme. Whether they gave it to an individual that is left for the party at the national assembly to decide, but for the DSP, I will contest with any candidate on the floor of the house.

“I know our Chairman, Comrade Adams Oshiomhole is a listening Chairman and President Muhammadu Buhari is a man of justice. So, if justice must prevail, you bring the Senate President from the North East and DSP from the South East. The chairman is from the South-South, the President is from the North West, the Vice President is from South West, the President of Senate will come from the North East, whether it’s Lawan or Ndume, these people will decide that on the floor of the House.

“So, for me, Nigeria is tripod; Ibo, Yoruba and Hausa. So, we are going to get the DSP and I will fight on the floor of the House like no other person has fought. This is not challenging the party, rather, this is looking for justice.

“Buhari said he will be addressing issues of injustice. This is part of the issues. You cannot tell us to go and be Chief Whip. I don’t have a whip to whip anybody. So, we will be very willing to add values to the nation. I am loyal to the people, I am loyal to Nigeria, which is important. I am not going to be loyal to individuals. You don’t build loyalty to a section of people or individuals.

Vowing to contest the Senate president position if the position of the deputy senate presidency is not zoned to the South East, Kalu declared: “I believe there is a co-existence between the religious people. So, I am not going to be DSP for anybody. Otherwise, if they don’t listen, I will also contest for the Senate President on the floor of the House. I will join the race because it is going to be a shopping matter. I can shop than any other person they are putting there. I have the capacity and capability to shop because the whole thing will be shopping on the floor of the House. If the party continues this way, I will run for the SP.

“Positions are part of representations. I am saying if we have DSP, it gives a sense of belonging to everybody. I am not saying I am representing a section. If they go to a meeting, you have the President, Vice President, Senate President and Deputy Senate President but you don’t have anybody to represent the South East. That is unfair and that is what I am saying.

“I am not a tribalist, but someone who is fair. I want justice. If the party doesn’t want a crack, they should zone it properly through the geopolitical zones of the country. A man who has taken the presidency is not supposed to take the Deputy Senate President.

“We are not going to quarrel, but we will sort it out. We are not going to vote PDP, you should be rest assured of that. We are going to vote for APC members for SP and DSP. I have friends everywhere. It will be a shopping matter. I have over 56 Senators on my radar who have already signed for me for either SP or DSP. They believe in equity.”


SOURCE: https://www.tribuneonlineng.com/198828/

Stupid man.. who told you Nigeria is tripod “Hausa, Yoruba and Igbo “? What about other tribes? That your statement is why u are marginalized..