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TATIME:
The mumu still thinks like his Yahoo plus ogas who taught that people will go BODILY to heaven when Jesus clearly states "NO ONE" and Apostle Paul clearly said flesh and blood{body} can not inherit the kingdom of God{Heaven} 1Corinthians 15:50
So the mumu wants to tell people that people have gone to heaven before Jesus but not in bodily form and some will still go in BODILY form!

Look at this mental slave of 8 New York manipulatators trying hard to defend a belief that he could start opposing tomorrow if his manipulators decide to see a new light. Aren't you even ashamed that what you believe is not stable? So the soul is now flesh and blood? Did you read what you wrote above at all?
And you have even contradicted yourselves because your organization believes that heaven is a paradise on this earth to be inherited by her members in their fleshy bodies. So look into the mirror again. False prophet!

Crysthaniel:
yes bro
please explain to us the difference between physical death and spiritual death

Physical death means loss of life by the physical body while spiritual death means separation from God as a result of sin even though the person is still alive physically. God told Adam and Eve they would die if they ate out of the tree. When they did they didn't die a physical death but a spiritual one through separation from God.

Peacefullove:
Dont mind that idiot. Dragging words with his Jesus.

He said souls are in hell, but his Lord said its Body and SOUl that is in hell. The mumu is caught in his own net. Even saying is lord lied at John 3 vs 13, it should be bodily form when that one said no one, meaning bodily or not. None!

Deadlytruth, what does hell release ?

Look at this brainless cranium and mental slave of a publishing company under the manipulation of 8 men still showcasing his looted brain.
When people say "nobody" in normal conversation, are they referring to the physical body or soul? You fool!
I have answered all these questions you have kept on repeating like a broken record player but you are so ashamed to even attempt answering mine as to:
1. whether a grave can be thrown into another grave if 'lake of fire' means grave?
2. Why Jesus in his literal interpretation of the parable of wheat and tares didn't call the fire as grave but repeated that it is a firey furnace?
Of course I don't expect you to be able to answer it because you are under the influence of 8 manipulators who will disfellowship you for doing your own independent minded study of the Bible to discover that you really can't answer them.
Then you have also stupidly been avoiding this question too:
3. That if tomorrow, your manipulators see another brighter light which tells them that hell fire is not grave, will you be bold enough not to accept it and follow them sheepishly again to the denial of all that you are struggling in vain to defend now? Cursed agents of false prophets.
What happened to your over 20 predictions of the day and hour of Jesus' return? And you want any genuine seeker of truth to trust in a organization that has fulfilled the biblical condition for identifying false prophets? Big fool.

TATIME:
I think the 'body' could be compared to your PHYSIC while the 'soul' here means the PERSONALITY. For clearer understanding, John the baptist is a person and Herod Antipas is also a person. PHYSICALLY John can handle Herod but due to PERSONALITY differences Herod ordered for John's head! Today they're both DEAD but what about their personality as in their remembrance? [b[While John is kept ALIVE in God's memory book{Malachi 3:16[/b] compared to Revelations 20:15}Herod has joined Adam{never coming back again} So goes the BODY and SOUL!
Daniel after writing the book called by his name asked God "what is the meaning of all these things?" Daniel 12:8
God's response "go Daniel" twice! Daniel 12:9,13
If God said "GO" definitely Daniel will not be alive anywhere until the day of resurrection,but his virtuous PERSONALITY{soul} coupled with his PHYSIC{body} are stored in God's memory book of remembrance! Revelations 20:15
And as for the Lake of fire,it connotes complete destruction not the common GRAVE.
So Hell {symbol of GRAVE} will be hauled into the Lake of fire{symbol of complete DESTRUCTION} Revelations 20:14

Bwahahahahaha........! You are now reasoning backward, right? So your inability to show me a single verse which unequivocally says that the soul and the body both go to the grave made you embark on that conjectural merry-go-round in your first paragraph? So its is now a matter of being kept alive in God's memory? And you sincerely believe that God doesn't have Antipas too in his memory? All your permutations about Daniel are without any scrptural reference hence human fabrications as usual.
If you had been bold enough to just explain how a grave could be buried in another grave, you would have addressed this issue of the meaning of 'lake of fire' as you perceive it.

Crysthaniel:
Bro please read Ephesians 2:1
and 1 Timothy 5:6

then Romans 4:16-17
then you may see that even if a person is alive, he can be dead in God's eyes
and even if a person is dead he can be alive in God's eyes all because of his/her faith..
that is what Jesus Christ is saying in this Matthew..
compare luke20:38

All your references speak of spiritual death. But we are talking of physical death sir. Thanks.

Peacefullove:
It doesnt say he has already started

Really? So nobody goes to hell.

Listen and listen good, if anyone will go to hell, it will be with their body unless Jesus lie!!!!!



That soul follow the body to hell - Matthew 10 vs 28



John 3 vs 13, no one has ascend to heaven. Deadlyliar.



Lake of fire is grave? Nobody tells you that, u must be on sleeping pills, lake of fire is as imaginary as the wild beast thrown into it.

John 3:3 means no one in bodily form has ascended to heaven. That was a conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus who were both in the bodily forms. But Jesus quickly added that except Himself who came down from it. Recall that Jesus was already in heaven as a spirit. So your conjectures fail again.

lordtim001:
I'm not saying celebrating Christmas could cause stumbling. I'm talking about the date you chose. That's why I asked you whether you can celebrate your Christmas on a day asides December 25th.

At least, God gave them the go ahead to continue the worship in that same temple. They didn't presumptuously go ahead and do it.

Daniel was appointed, right? He became chief of the wise men. Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego had administrative duties. Similar to civil service duties.But did their positions directly involve political affairs? Think about it

Christians work in every sector and they must strive to distinguish themselves. I agree with you on that

How then does celebrating Christmas on another day cause stumbling?
Can you point out the verse in which God gave Josiah and co to go ahead with worship there after they rid it of idols?
In the book of Esther God wasn't mentioned at all throughout. You can read through and verify this yourself. However Modecai and Esther instituted the Purim festival on their own pronouncements and the Israelites began to observe it without God stopping them. Jesus has given his genuine followers the power to establish and bind things Mathew 16:19. So why ask for God's permission again when He already gave you this power?
Politics means participation in the running of government by the head of the government and his appointees who occupy positions of influence. Daniel and the rest were appointees who occupy positions of power and influence.
Jesus' promissory response to the disciples demanded for the restoration of the earthly Kingdom of Israel settles the question of political participation.

TATIME:
After quoting {Luke 16:19-31} abeg all those who have died are either in heaven or in hell~Deadlytruth
Jesus meant to say "SOUL alone goes to Hellfire" so Apostle Deadlytruth is here to correct that mistake at Matthew 10:28!

Matthew 22:31-32 says 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.' He is the God of the living, not of the dead.
If Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are still alive even though dead bodily, then it means it is their souls that are alive hence Abraham's soul is what was seen by the rich man who was himself there as a soul. Likewise Lazarus.
As for Mathew 10:28; "I can destroy you" doesn't mean the same thing as "I am already destroying you".
Can you answer this question in all honesty?:
In this very Mathew 10:28, Jesus has explained that when men kill fellow men their souls don't die along with their bodies. Now where does that soul go to after the boy has been buried? Does it join the body in the grave despite it is not dead?

Peacefullove:
Reference -, Matt 10:28 BOdY and SOUl in hell.

Both in hell, u need glasses.

If Both are in hell, what does hell release?

Mathew 10:28 says; Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather be afraid of God, who can destroy both body and soul in hell.

That verse says God can do both. It doesn't say He has already started doing both.
'I can do it' is different from 'I am already doing it'
Going by the context of the verse, it is clear that humans can kill the body but can't kill the soul. Now, if you as a human being kills a person now, then it means only his body dies and is buried while his soul continues living. Where then does that soul go to since it doesn't die and follow the body to the grave? I need your answer here

In Mathew 22: 31-32 Jesus says of God 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.' He is the God of the living, not of the dead.
The bodies of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are dead and buried. So if Jesus could say they are however alive, then he must be referring to their souls. That lends credence to my position that Abraham is actually alive in heaven in the form of his soul hence the rich man was actually communicating with Abraham in that parable hence it was in the literal sense Jesus applied the parable.
Meanwhile you are still cleverly avoiding my question as to the possibility of burying a grave inside another grave. Why are you running away from this particular question? Why are you so afraid of attempting to answer it?

TATIME:
Haaaaaaaa what a relief
So that means you can go and worship your Jesus without disturbing JWs and i can go and worship my Jehovah without been attacked!
God bless you Sir!

You are always the one never satisfied with worshipping your publishing company without disturbing others by way of making publications about them while they don't ever dedicate a single line to speak of you in their own publications. So check the mirror again on this issue.

TATIME:
That's why i'm still saying "go and worship your Jesus the best way you know" because Jehovah's Witnesses are worshiping Jehovah and despite all the differences in our beliefs against all of you, we stand against all odds as one happy global family!
After Jesus has given all the different religious groups forming alliance against the TRUTH so much headach in Israel,they joined hands to persecute Him. So they brought Jesus before the neutral Roman governor who looked intently at the young Nazarene whose outstanding appearance is awe-inspiring.
Pontius Pilate said about Jesus "look! the man" John 19:5
So i'm also saying to you now "look! the JWs"

There is nothing like the best way to worship Jesus. Such is a teaching of false prophets which you and your organization are. The only way to worship Jesus is through faith in Him as recorded in Galatians 2:16, Hebrews 11:16.
But JWs are trying to worship God through their own human efforts by way of trying to keep certain human standards created by sinful men like everyone else. They even argue that God can only be worshipped through their organization despite Jesus clearly says in John 4:21, 23, 24.

The truth is that you really don't have any belief. The amoeba in biology is said to be shapeless not because it doesn't really have a shape at moments but because such shape keeps changing. Likewise you don't have a belief as they always keep changing. So which belief are you saying you have in variation from others'?
You accuse us all as believing in Trinity, birthday, Vigils, Tithing, Christmas, Easter, political participation, etc yet you again say our beliefs are different from one another's. Can't you see you are confused?
Ironically you and your breakway groups which are over one thousand have so many antagonistic beliefs to one another, and each one among themselves.
Despite the use of threats, disfellowshiping and shunning to artificially try to keep a single doctrine, there are still dissent opinions amongst you. But among the true Christians, there is unity of belief despite the freedom to hold contrary opinions. That shows you that it is God that's in charge of their understanding and not some 8 men.
Jesus ended up not being found guilty of what they accused Him of before the Roman Government. But JWs are guilty of pledging allegiance to Adolf Hitler in his war against the Jews, are guilty of shielding their child abusers from the arm of the law, etc hence various Governments rightly persecute them for hypocrisy and deception.

TATIME:
Since you said the world has gone after the JWs and our teachings {without any sign and wonders}. John 11:48
Jehovah's Witnesses don't perform any miracles and our teaching totally abhors all your festivities and traditions which you've been using as side attractions for centuries yet commendations are coming for JWs from right,left and center. Matthew 5:16,James 3:13
Mr Deadlytruth Sir instead of admitting defeat unwillingly,why not stand up to the challenge.
Jesus said the Pharisees travelled land and see to make one convert. Matthew 23:15
Jesus' followers also buckled up to meet the challenges for reaching people without let up. Act 5:28
So the stage was set,but it was the Pharisees after been defeated that were crying FOUL! FOUL!! When the Christians started beating them hands down in the field!
Don't end up like your folks in Russia who are gathering thugs in order to attack JWs simply because you want to fight for God ooooo! Act 17:5

Look at the mirror to see who all these your thrash speak to.
You have been asked where the Bible forbids all that you call tradition but no response. You have been shown hard Bible passages which you yourself couldn't deny are factual as to how they prove your organization as a heretic group. But rather than accept the truth and repent, you have stubbornly continued to grandstand because your heart has been hardened with false teachings thus making your conscience as if seared with an iron rod...1 Timothy 4:2
Who is attacking JW that is already dying a natural death evidenced by huge disposal of assets and setting up of mechanism to prevent leakage of information about their unfulfilled false prophesies and failed predictions of the day of Jesus' return?
The foul foul cry is rather coming from you over your envy for the miracles being performed by the true followers of Christ who though don't see themselves in any competition with anyone. Those who think they are in an earthly competition with others for the worlds commendation are the JWs hence they are always boasting of doing better than others who actually do better but see themselves as not worthy enough except through the grace of God obtained through faith. Let those who think they are in a competition continue to seek applause from their assumed spectators. Out of the abundance of their hearts their mouths speak.

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmm these guys are typing all these regarding the EFFECTS Jehovah's Witnesses teachings has on them! John 7:46
Take note that IT IS THE DOCTRINES that has left indisputable mark on them coupled with the virtuous attitudes of JWs! Matthew 7:15-20
You're mixing two things together Sir, JWs are winning the hearts of these people NOT by spectacular shows of magical acts you call signs and wonders but with the FRUIT of God's holy spirit! Galatians 5:22,23

As per the bolded; In Acts 8:9,10,13 Simon was a magician who had dazzled the people with magical acts. But when Paul arrived the scene he didn't use his mouth to accuse him of deceiving people with magical powers. He only proved it so by performing the genuine miracles with the power of God so much that even Simon himself began to marvel. So we expect that since you and your talk talk organization believe our miracles are by magic and fake, you prove us wrong by performing the genuine ones rather than just mouthing criticisms. We hereby challenge you to perform the genuine miracles from God let's see if you truly have the Holy Spirit. Prove it in action.

Mark 16:15, 17. Says that signs and wonders must follow believers as confirmation of their words. So any organization which claims to be winning souls without the need for signs and wonders is obviously spreading falsehood and not genuinely winning souls but deceiving them with what they want to hear like:
1. There is no punishment for sins
2. You can drink as much as you like
3. God doesn't ask anyone to pay offering so don't worry about that when coming to fellowship with us.
4. If you abuse a child just make sure no one else sees you in the act so that two witnesses can't be established against you hence you are free from punishment
5. Fasting is no longer necessary because its time has passed
etc.
Come to think of it; who doesn't really love to hear all such things which seem to portray the Christian race as so easy and undemanding? Who in his carnal mind doesn't really once in a while wish Christianity is as bread and butter as such?

Peacefullove:
He didnt, he said it follows the body to hell. U will struggle hard at this point.

If Soul follow body to hell, what does hell release?

A) *Soul and body <Jesus<

B), soul alone <deadlytruth>

Where is the Bible reference for the bolded? You are the one obviously struggling and sweating to prove that heresy.

And you still have not found the courage to explain how possible for a grave to be buried in another grave. Care to do so this time around?

Peacefullove:
Hahahahahaha u have far bigger comprehension issue. Souls with Body are in hell, Jesus said BODY, BoDy BoDy and Soul in hell to finalize it

If hell now release the dead in it, Is it soul and body it release or are u telling this thread Jesus is a liar??

You have run out of steam. Did Jesus not make it clear in that verse that at death on earth the soul continues living?

And you still have not found the courage to explain how possible for a grave to be buried in another grave. Care to do so this time around?

TATIME:
That's why i keep saying "practice your own Christianity so that what Jesus said about the light could be equally applied to you as a group" oh sorry. IN PERSON! Matthew 5:14-16
At least Jehovah's Witnesses are known in all the neighbourhood as a group to be vilified. Matthew 5:11,12
And Jehovah's Witnesses are given credits by some individuals. 1Peter 2:12,3:15

Those who give credit to JWs are people of the world. But the genuine followers of Christ tell them the bitter truth which they perceive as villification.
In Matthew 16:13-18, Jesus cared about how the members of his own fold saw him and didn't bother about how the world perceived Him. This is because those who could really make genuine assessment of him are those who had a deep knowledge about his message of salvation. But we have a group claiming to be God's organization yet always seeking and relishing the approval of the very world which Jesus said can never love Him and His genuine followers. Shameless false prophets!

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmm i'm thinking about it Sir
*immortality of the soul
*eternal torment of defaulters
*all good people go to heaven
*seasonal festivals like Easter,Christmas,New-year,Fastings,Edl Fitri,Edl Kabir,Edl Mouloud,Valentine and like which brings all of you together for feasting and wining.
*naming ceremony
*vigils
*birthdays
*wake~keeping
*cross~over vigils
*religious titles and so on!
Yes Sir Muslims and JWs share exactly the same beliefs! Oponu~Olodo

And you haven't been able to point out one single verse in the Bible where fasting, vigils, birthday celebrations, cross over vigils, tithing, titles and the rest are forbidden. Shame onto you! False prophets disguising as angels!

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmm these guys are typing all these regarding the EFFECTS Jehovah's Witnesses teachings has on them! John 7:46
Take note that IT IS THE DOCTRINES that has left indisputable mark on them coupled with the virtuous attitudes of JWs! Matthew 7:15-20
You're mixing two things together Sir, JWs are winning the hearts of these people NOT by spectacular shows of magical acts you call signs and wonders but with the FRUIT of God's holy spirit! Galatians 5:22,23

Quoting Bible verses in isolation again. When will you stop this please?
The issue in John 7:46 started right from verse 38 and 39 of that chapter where Jesus spoke about the coming of the Holy Spirit which would give his followers the powers to do wonders and also teach them the scriptures perfectly without mistakes, hence the soldiers said "no one speaks like this man" in verse 46. Isn't it therefore laughable that you are trying to put into the picture of that passage your organization which doesn't believe in the Holy Spirit hence denies the role of signs and wonders from the Holy Spirit and in addition always makes mistakes in scrptural interpretation thus always adjusting its doctrines as against the consistence which whoever is guided genuinely by the Holy Spirit should showcase?
False prophets whom Jesus spoke of also won the love of their followers with their doctrines.
By attitude, JWs are known to be hypocrites who preach non participation in war but pledged allegiance to Adolf Hitler in his war against the Jews and big business in the US and UK, ask its members to bear arms for defence of self and their beliefs while preaching against arms bearing, shield child abusers among them from the law, etc. So what impression can all these make on anyone if not the gullible and ignorant?
You forgot to tell us that the previous verses of the same Galatians 5 you referenced above tell us the attributes of the evil ones as drunkenness which your members indulge in, envy which you openly profess for the genuine Christians in your publications, encouraging of ism and schism by way of asking others to leave their religious groups and join your publishing company as the only condition to a paradise on earth, boastfulness which your organization does and you have always been doing here about your meaningless efforts as against the clear injunction that men are put right with God through faith in Christ and not by their efforts... Romans 3:28, Galatians. 2:16...

TATIME:
@Deadlytruth

A moslem is part and parcel of the world whom Jesus said would love those who belong to the world like them and hate his true followers. Do Muslims love Jesus? Don't they deny His Sonship and redemptive death? Don't they deny his virgin birth? And such are the kind of people who love and commend JWs. Can't you through that see through all these that your organization fits perfectly into what Jesus described as what Jesus meant by "its own" in his declaration that the world would love its own?
You JWs hate the true Christians because their teachings differ from yours. Likewise, moslems hate them too for doctrinal differences.
Now, For moslems to love JWs can only mean that they perceive you as sharing their beliefs that Jesus is not the Messiah, he is not the Son of God, he didn't die physically, his birth wasn't imaculate, etc. Think about it.

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmm that's exactly what i've been saying since! If Christianity is to be a none denominational thing,please how will the hatred become obvious as in manifest.When their is no specific GROUP to be IDENTIFIED as real Christians

The false prophets about whom the ancestors also said similar good things were identified not as a formal group or organization but because they had the spread of falsehood in common. Likewise, JWs and all other groups like Mormons, and all individuals which are all united by the spread falsehood are loved and commended by the world.

Peacefullove:
You are getting nailed. The bold still need a concrete answer, Are u saying hell in that Rev 20v13 is not hellfire?? If Souls are presently in hell, are Souls also trapped in the sea?

Comprehension problem. Did that verse say that the sea gave up the souls in it? Don't we understand from Jesus's "fear he who can kill the body but not the soul...." that the soul doesn't die along with the body hence couldn't be in the grave on land or in the seas? Read it again but slowly this time.

TATIME:
@ Deadlytruth
Common my friend, do you still think Tatime wrote all that simply to support a religious group that doesn't belong to my biological father
That's what i believe Peter is saying! 1Peter 2:12

John 15:19 says If you belonged to the world, then the world would love you as its own.
The person who professed love and commendations for you in that piece is clearly of the world and made it clear himself.

TATIME:
@ Deadlytruth
Common my friend, do you still think Tatime wrote all that simply to support a religious group that doesn't belong to my biological father
That's what i believe Peter is saying! 1Peter 2:12

It is simple.
Woe onto you when men speak well of you; their ancestors said the very same things about the false prophets....Luke 6:26

TATIME:
@Deadlytruth

Was Jesus commended by those who didn't belong to his fold?
In Luke 6:26 Jesus says: Woe onto you when men speak well of you; their ancestors said the very same things about the false prophets.
Does this ring a bell?

TATIME:
Exactly what i'm still saying Sir!
Try to comport yourselves well{1Peter 3:15} in order to impact or impress all these knowledge in the minds of your neighbours because THIS IS WHAT Jehovah's Witnesses are doing. And it's giving them all the credits that you so much desire! 1Peter 2:12

Always shifting the goalpost. Of what relevance are these verses to the demand for you to prove that Paul the Apostle belonged to an organization from which he received tutelage for God's approval contrary to what Paul himself later said in Galatians 1:11-12?
Well, the Bible verses has to a large extent showed us that what you are doing is the spread of heresy even though you appear to receive commendation of men whom Jesus say will hate those who genuinely follow his instructions and tell men the truth. If the world loves you and gives you credit, then you can't really be of Christ. Jesus Himself said so. Think about it critically.

TATIME:
Just imagine if you can divulge such lengthy write-ups like this into a tactful discussion with your neighbours i think it will help you to be more effective in preaching and teaching with efficacy than Jehovah's Witnesses. So keep it up and don't keep it to yourself but rather try to help others understand it the way you do. That's exactly what Jehovah's Witnesses are doing even though you're trying to prove yourselves wiser spiritually than them,so let people know it by making everyone understand the specific commands your own Jesus give you because Jehovah's Witnesses are zealously and industriously doing their best FOR THEIR OWN Jesus even though you keep asserting it's just the idea of some New Yorkers!

Thrash as expected. Repond to my posers with Bible verses as evidences. This is a NL debate thread so whoever comes into it comes for debate regardless of his evangelism efforts outside which is no other person's business here.
Didn't you, in your quest to prove your heretic doctrine of compulsory membership of your publishing company, claim authoritatively that Paul had to compulsorily undergo tutelage under the Apostles in Jerusalem in order to qualify for God's approval? Weren't you proven wrong with Galatians 1:11-12 where Paul with his own hands wrote that he didn't receive tutelage about Jesus from any human being? And this heresy is what you are here commending your organization for having spread over centuries and still spreading. Until you address this poser, you remain a victim of 8 manipulation experts in New York and now Warwick hence you can't be taken seriously.

TATIME:
If you're really an intellectual you should have noticed that i NEVER agreed with that worthless term "denomination" for once! My believe is "if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses,you're not a Christian" so going by Tatime's idea, their is NOTHING like denomination in Christianity. It's either you're a Christian{JW} or an unbeliever!

Jesus spoke about establishing his Church and not kingdom Halls. So those who call themselves Kingdom Halls are not Christians for whom Jesus established churches.

TATIME:
Senseless and delusional psychopaths that's able to gather almost 9,000,000 individuals from different tongues and tribes and peoples together under one umbrella and making all of them obedient to specific instructions as a happy global family{Revelations 14:6,7}
Hmmmmmmmm you're making REAL sense Sir!

And that is the very person who has been pontificating on issues of insultive language. Hypocrite!

TATIME:
You know,your problem is presumption my friend, you're overly anxious of winning arguments with what you've been taught forgetting that others also have deep rooted faith in what they've learned.
Instead of assuming you've trashed your opponent while that one is still standing questioning your doctrines,why not be resolved never to get tired of using the same sword again and again.
Because the Pharisees thought they can trash Jesus with their shallow ideas they kept coming back to Him in order to make Him say something different but instead Jesus kept making everyone know that what He is saying is confirmed TRUTH.
Please try to interpret what is recorded at Matthew 22:46 because i can't understand what Matthew meant there!

Once again quoting Bible verses in isolation and jumping into conclusion.
Was the question the Pharisees brought to Jesus in that passage an old question being repeated or an altogether new one? Can you show me another instance in which they had once asked Jesus that same question? Like I too have been doing to you, Jesus answered that question with logical arguments woven around citations from the scriptures because that was the first time they asked him that question. And the Bible didn't say there that "....the Pharisees stopped asking him questions from that day on because they got tired of it."
What it rather says is "... and from that day on no one (including those who believed in Him hence never disagreed with Him) dared ask Him any question again. The Bible is silent as to what their reasons were, but you have as usual smuggled in tiredness into that place. Ojoro doctrine!
And for the bolded, take a look at the mirror and you'll see who is really presumptuous and wanting to win arguments even if by misquoting or quoting the Bible out of context.
Wasn't it you that once accused me on another thread of not allowing JWs win arguments to which I wondered whether the kingdom of God is about winning arguments and talk talk talk, or displaying the power of God as Paul the Apostle told the Corinthian Church?
If you perceive that you are not being allowed to win arguments and it pains you that much, then it is obvious you are the one desperately after winning arguments. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
I have never sought to win arguments because I don't ever see myself as the one debating with you in the first instance. I rather see the Bible speaking through me. And that exactly is why you who speak out of your own accord and human knowledge keep failing.
For example, on a thread different from this where you laboured in vain to prove that belonging to a so-called approved God's organization is mandatory on the excuse that no one can really learn the truth outside such organization, you authoritatively argued that Saul, after his convertion on the way to Damascus, had to first go and receive tutelage on the Good News from the disciples in Jerusalem before becoming qualified to evangelize; and you misquoted Bible verses in defense of such heretic claim. You specifically referenced the verses where Paul was asked to go into Damascus for his sight to be restored by Ananias, and then you presented it to mean he was by that being asked to go back to Jerusalem to meet the other Apostles to get tutored as a new convert. But I had to show you that Paul was actually asked to go into the City of Damascus to get his sight restored and that after being healed by Ananias, he met with the believers there who were totally separate from and had nothing to do with the ones in Jerusalem. Then I showed you Galatians 1:11-12 where Paul later made it clear that he never underwent any teaching under the disciples or any human being.. not even Ananias who restored his sight.

Are all these not evidences that you speak not really from the scriptures but from your own mind guided by the human laws and assumptions dumped on you by some 8 sinful men like you in New York hence you don't win arguments? You can't win arguments about the Christian faith because you don't speak from the Bible but forge your own personal opinions and present them as if you got them from the Bible.

gidgiddy:
Everything above is nonsense. The independence constitution was not meant for military rule. There's no way Ironsi or ny military officer for that matter could have operated on that constitution that allows for parliament. The military rule by decree, not constitution.

Another thing that is laughable is this notion that the North mounted their own coup because Ironsi changed the constitution. After the coup and the killing of Ironsi, the Northerners came in and did far worse than Ironsi. At least Ironsi kept the 4 Regions he inherited. Gowon came in and abolished the 4 Regions and created 12 states. Had Gowon kept the 4 Regions like Ironsi did, it would have been possible to return to the independence constitution whenever civilian rule returned. But when Gowon abolished the Regions, he made it impossible to return to the independence constitution.

Another laughable thing is the claim that Ironsi caused the war. The war had nothing to do with Ironsi, he was already dead for about a year before the war started. What caused the war was the breaking of the Aburi agreement by Gowon.

The Aburi agreement held that if Gowon wanted to change the structure of Nigeria, he must get the agreement of all 4 Military Governors of the time. Gowon then changed the structure of Nigeria by abolishing the 4 Regions without consulting anybody.

Ojukwu was left with no choice but to declare Biafra

All you have written above is pure rubbish.
The independence constitution did not even give room for military rule to warrant any talk of whether or not there was a way Ironsi could govern with it. So Ironsi committed treason for taking over power as a military man despite having, on his inauguration day as Army GoC, stood before the whole world and solemnly swore to protect and defend that very constiution. The mere fact that he reneged on an oath of an office as sensitive as his was enough treason on his path and therefore deserved the way he ended it all.
If there was no way Ironsi, as a military man, could have operated with a highly centrifugal federal constiution, then why did Ojukwu expect that Gowon could have operated with Aburi Accord which was even more centrifugal than the independence constitution?
Isn't it laughable that you keep justifying Ironsi's subvertion of the independence constitution with the excuse that a military government doesn't operate a decentralized system yet demonizing an equally military government of Gowon for refusing to operate Aburi Accord which prescribed an even more decentralized system than the independence constiution?
The really laughable thing about your argument is that you seem not to know that federalism has nothing to do with the number of regions or subnational units within a country but the extent to which those units are autonomous and free from the center's influence. Ironsi actually created 35 provinces out of the existing regions which he had already pronounced dead with his repeated use of the phrase "former region" in his National broadcast in which he declared that the adjective "federal" was no longer part of the official name of Nigeria meaning the 35 pronvinces were not autonomous. Had he allowed those provinces inherit the autonomy of those former regions, then no one would have been accusing him of killing federalism today. After all there were already ongoing agitations for creation of more regions or even states right from Balewa days especially by the minorities who felt trapped within each of the three former regions. The fact that we have ended up with 36 states with which almost mirror Ironsi's 35 provinces and that we are more comfortable with these states than the three regions while we still ask for restructuring and devolution of powers to the states is the greatest evidence that no one would have been accusing Ironsi of anything today had he let his 35 provinces inherit the autonomy of the regions. Likewise, Gowon's creation of twelve states from the 4 regions wasn't a sin as what really mattered and still matters till today is the level of autonomy regardless of the country being broken into 20 billion states.
Gowon first restored the regions and their autonomy and then broke them into states which he allowed to inherit the autonomy before Ojukwu's intransigence caused the necessity of temporary reversal.
And you have still refused to answer the question as to whether the Igbo targeted pogroms in the North which angered Ojukwu into secession thoughts thus necessitating the Aburi Summit would have happened had Ironsi simply executed the coup plotters, sworn in Dipcharima in place of the late Balewa, replaced the slain premiers with their deputies and returned to the barracks as the extant constiution dictated.

IamAlexander:
Bull period no smear on people's personality, no e-fights, no name calling, no throwing of stones,...Conversely, when bears show up reverse is the case. The person praised before will be criticized and abused.

In any case I am not surprised because it shows how human being can be so irrational... Hossanah today crucify Him tomorrow is the attitude of most people here...

These are deadly truths about the attitude of majority here.

Homextras:
seriously manipulation going on in dangote flour...dont know if anyone observed...

Care sharing more details?