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Barristter07:
We are . you quoted that to prove hellfire which says sinners are burned forever. The narrative never support this satanic doctrine.

This is that 'satanic' doctrine here:
Mark 9: 43-44. So if your hand makes you lose your faith, cut it off ! It is better for you to enter life without a hand than to keep both hands and go off to hell, to the fire that never goes out.

Barristter07:
Jesus talk about gnashing of teeth as well, Does that mean your immaterial spirit/soul have Bones ( Teeth ) ?

Why do you love moving in circles? Immaterial souls spoke in Revelations as you have already been shown. You have been shown where in Mark a spirit saw Jesus in the physical and pleaded with Him not to torture it.... meaning spirits feel torture even though they lack physical bodies. If you think God doesn't have the power to create immaterial entities that can speak without tongues, and feel torture without having bodies, then you don't yet know what God's omnipotence means. It is just like how a moslem believes that God can't have a Son without having had sex with Mary yet he claims to believe in God's omnipotence. Can you see that you are not really different from moslems?

Beke2020:
Good evening house, pls I need your advise.
I bought 20,600 units of Con Oil in 2017 at N49. However, the price has remained below N25 in the last few months.

It is advisable to sell at the current price at loss now and re-invest the proceed in other stock?

Thank you all

20,600 x N49 = N1,009,400. Mehhhhhhhn!

Barristter07:
You see what that rich man and Lazarus story has caused you. You will keep struggling to defend this rubbish doctrine.


That water, physical or spiritual? this alone will expose the whole thing



Mark 1:24 - " Did you come to DESTROY us ? "

They are talking about their Destruction please



4th seal. - death rides. A horse while the grave follows it., how real is that to you?

6th seal - Many stars fall upon the earth , how real is that to you ?

Its an hypocrite that will now take the 5th seal as literal when he admit the above Re symbols - rev 1:1.
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Jesus said spirit does not have flesh ... What is tongue made of ?.

In Mark 1:24- the evil spirit screamed as it left the man. That was an evidence of feeling the torture by Jesus.
In Mark 5:7 the evil spirit begged Jesus not torment it........a confirmation that a spirit can feel torment.

And you don't think you are the bigger hypocrite by believing in your organization's doctrine that the 144,000 persons revealed by one of those very seals are real but believe all the other things which came out of the other seals are figurative.

Barristter07:

Don't waste your time, Christ use that illustration to explain the annihilation of the wicked.

Farm Weeds don't burn forever, they are destroyed.

A blow to hell teaching

You are trying to change the narrative. We are not yet talking of the duration of the punishment but of the nature of the fire whether real or figurative. Let us finish this first before going further.

Barristter07:
Including the water they drank ? Tell if it's Physical or Spiritual water

I hope revelation won't complicate matters for yo


Tongue is made of flesh, Jesus said a spirit does not have flesh , so why do you assume they had a FLESHLY tongue ?

Secondly. The seals are not real , unless you mean stars can fall on earth . that alone makes your so called response FAKE

Jesus exorcised spirits while he was physically on earth. Some of those spirits themselves saw Him on one occasion and asked him whether he had already come to torment them. He spoke to the spirit and drove it out. Mark 1:21-27 Even though the spirit had no physical body, it could be tormented. So not only the physical body can feel torment. Both the soul and spirit can feel the pain of torment if subjected to it. What happened in the passage above was literal torment of that evil spirit. You couldn't quote any single Bible reference to substantiate your claim that the seals were not real. Where exactly in the Bible did Jesus say that spirits don't have tongues?

Don't you think it is very laughable that you believe the144,000 persons are real but believe that neither the fall of the starts to the earth nor even the very seals from within which the 144,000 men were revealed are real?
Hehehehe...............

Barristter07:
Don't panic or speculate unnecessarily

Relax already , Will surely reply just coming online .

Speculation? Didn't I show you the verse in Revelations that talks about souls speaking with their tongues and inquiring of God the day justice will be done to those who killed their physical bodies on earth?
I didn't quote any encyclopedia mind you.

TATIME:
I'm sorry sir, my brains is just too slow to comprehend all these awful PERSONAL Opinions. When i hear intelligent individuals like you EFFICIENTLY criticizing a global group that's UNITEDLY moving towards the same direction ALWAYS! Ezekiel 1:12-14 compared to Revelations 14:1

Very irrelevant references as usual. So your organization is now made up of only 144,000 members rather than the over 8 million you have been beating your chest about? Your organization is now the group of four winged creatures from above which the Sound of God gave a message to Ezikiel to deliver? You people have been claiming to be the prophets of today. But your reference connotes that you gave the message to the prophet. So which do we believe now? Confused victims of manipulation.

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmm
A supposed man of God(thought to have been led by God's holy spirit) PUBLICLY condemned something that another man of God is known for.
Well i'm sorry it's mere PERSONAL opinions!

Even Paul The Apostle and Barnabas Acts:15:36-40 disagreed with each other over an issue that had nothing to do with doctrine. I guess that disagreement disqualified both Paul and Silas from being men of God, right?
Just like Paul and Silas, the leaders of true Christian Churches are not slaves to a publishing company which dictates what their opinions should be on even extra-doctrinal matters.

Hairyrapunzel:
He will soon tell you that God is spirit so god doesn't have hands, fingers or tongue and God cannot even talk.

I am still waiting for his response. Though I will really love to see him defend himself by now quoting one encyclopedia on what early Christians believed about body, soul and spirit.

Hairyrapunzel:
It's personal difference. It shows that Christians are not zombies. They can disagree on certain issues that are not biblical.

It's not like a group that forces its members to agree on issues that are not biblical and if they don't agree they will be ostracized.

He finds it difficult to comprehend.
What do you expect from someone who said when Jesus, after appearing to Paul to his way to Damascus, asked him to go into the city and be told what to do He was by that directing Paul to go back to Jerusalem to be taught by the apostles?

TATIME:
PERSONAL differences
When all those BORN AGAINST followers of Suleiman will go about telling people "it's disrespectful to be reading God's word from phones in the church" while all those BORN AGAINST followers of Oyakilomeh will go about using their smart phones,tablets and other devices to read God's word ANYWHERE
My friend you deserve a trophy. It's MERE personal differences.

It's you who really deserves a trophy in manipulation.
I wrote "personal opinion" but you put words into my mouth by writing "personal differences" which I never wrote. See how much you have learnt manipulation and twisting of people words and those of the Bible from your organization? For the fact that you started the above by twisting what I said, you have really said nothing.

Barristter07:
I thought it's the spirit/soul that go to this mythical hell , How come FLESHLY fingers and Tongues are mentioned ? Which water please, physical water or spiritual water ?

You can find help in Revelations 6:9-10 as below:

9. Then the Lamb broke open the fifth seal. I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been killed because they had proclaimed God's word and had been faithful in their witnessing.

10. They shouted in a loud voice, *Almighty Lord, holy and true! How long will it be until you judge the people on earth and punish them for killing us?*

That those souls could shout and ask questions tells you clearly that they had tongues to speak and also hands and all other features. So those who say it was the soul of the rich man that went to hell and cried out for help are very correct.
Oya respond now!

Barristter07:
Go and addres my points on that rich man and Lazarus u quote. Peace!

It has been addressed. What more do you want about it? meanwhile my outstanding poser remains unaddressed by you.

Barristter07:
Go and addres my points on that rich man and Lazarus u quote. Peace!

I have already addressed it with Mathew 13. You have to counter it now. Why did Jesus not change fire in the parable to Hades or grave in his literal interpretation? Is this too much to ask?

Barristter07:
What exactly was translated as Grave in that verse ?

Grave in that verse is the temporary resting place of the dead from where they were called out to face final judgement before being taken to eternal life or thrown into the lake of fire. How could they have been called out of the grave and then thrown into the grave again after judgement? Then why the need to call them out of it if they were still going to be returned back there?

Barristter07:
Your mythical spirit/souls Now have bones Like Teeth ?

You will only have the moral justification to ask me further questions only after you have answered the one I asked you first ...i.e. why did Jesus call it fire in the parable, and also called it fire in His literal interpretation to the disciples if it was mere grave or Hades?

Barristter07:
Chineke!

You don quickly run comot from Rich man and Lazarus, as for these, addressed already.

It was your fellow JW here that actually ran away from Lazarus vs the rich man to Revelations 20:13 which I decided to address with Matthew 13. Why not rather point this accusing finger to your brother?

Barristter07:
I thought it's the mythical spirit/soul that go to nhell , How come FLESHLY fingers and Tongues are mentioned ? Which water please, physical water ?

In Mathew chapter 13 Jesus told people the parable of the wheat and tares and in verse 36 His disciples asked Him for literal interpretation. He obliged them and interpreted it literally telling them in verse 42 that the fire in the parable is a lake of fire literally. Look it up.

CAPTIVATOR:
Called out from " Hades". Is Hades not Grave (Revelation 20:13) ?..

That should tell you it's not a real description

You took the verse in isolation of the whole passage which rather says that the dead were called out from their graves (both on land and in the seas) to face judgement after which the ones found wanting were thrown into the lake of fire for second death.
Here it is:
13. Then the sea gave up its dead. Death and the world of the dead also gave up the dead they held. And all were judged according to what they had done.

14. Then death and the world of the dead were thrown into the lake of fire. (This lake of fire is the second death.)

15. Those who did not have their name written in the book of the living were thrown into the lake of fire.

Also read Mathew 13 where Jesus told the parable of wheat and tares and in verse 30 he said "Let the wheat and the weeds both grow together until harvest. Then I will tell the harvest workers to pull up the weeds first, tie them in bundles and burn them".

You might say that Jesus was not talking about fire in the literal sense here since he was using a parable. However, verse 36 of that same passage says:
 When Jesus had left the crowd and gone indoors, his disciples came to him and said, *Tell us what the parable about the weeds in the field means.

This was a demand for literal interpretation by the disciples.. and Jesus obliged them as seen in the next verses:

37. Jesus answered, *The man who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man;

38. the field is the world; the good seed is the people who belong to the Kingdom; the weeds are the people who belong to the Evil One;

39. and the enemy who sowed the weeds is the Devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvest workers are angels.

40. Just as the weeds are gathered up and burned in the fire, so the same thing will happen at the end of the age

41. the Son of Man will send out his angels to gather up out of his Kingdom all those who cause people to sin and all others who do evil things,

42. and they will throw them into the fiery furnace, where they will cry and gnash their teeth

You can see that in verse 42 which is part of his literal interpretation, Jesus mentioned fire..i.e. the fire in the parable is also fire in the literal interpretation. Why didn't he say the fire meant mere grave or Hades if that is what it means in the literal sense? That tells you it is fire in the real sense and not grave as you would have us believe.

TATIME:
They're all on the road to life even when they keep contradicting one another IJN!

They are contradicting one another on their personal opinions and not on their interpretations of the Bible unlike your organization which contradicts itself in its own interpretations of the Bible. See the difference now?

CAPTIVATOR:
You are talking nonsense , Where did Jesus or his apostle teach satanic doctrines like hellfire, Trinity, immortal soul etc that these denominations all preach ?

You would not know because you read a Bible from which such parts have been expunged in order to suit your preconceived doctrine.
For example the rich man cried from hell and complained that the heat was to much for him to bear.
Luke 16:24....So he called out, 'Father Abraham! Take pity on me, and send Lazarus to dip his finger in some water and cool off my tongue, because I am in great pain in this fire!'

ogongogames:
Interesting perspective. Nigeria is indeed a paradox. From my own personal research and conversations, I think the military regime of IBB further destroyed the Nigerian psyche. I think prior to this whilst corruption always existed (it happens everywhere around the world) but there was more order or sense of public service (Zik, Awolowo, Jakande, Ambrose Alli etc. So yes in way, leadership is definitely the key as your point staeted. If you look at the Edo State government of Godwin Obaseki today, there seems to be a huge change in the civil service attitude since he came in. The belief that I have always echoed is that we need better role models in every facet of Nigerian society. People that can show the average Nigerian that integrity, honesty and hard-work is enough to live a successful and fulfilled life which is not defined about the amount of money one has. I sincerely believe this is possible, it takes only a few people who are in influential positions to get this change going.

As per the bolded above; Did Obaseki get to office by himself or by the resolve of the masses? Remember that in the election which brought Obaseki to power Ize Iyamu (an already tested and failed
candidate) was almost voted in by those whose choices were driven not by concern about issues or antecedents but purely by anti-Buhari and anti-Tinubu sentiments combined with resentment against Oshiomhole for rather egoistic reasons. But it took the resolve of the slight majority to vote with their heads rather than with their hearts. We all know that if those who wanted Iyamu just because they wanted Oshiomhole disgraced, had been in the majority thus had their way, all the good news being heard of about Edo today would have been very unlikely. But with Obaseki's glaring and compelling paradigm shifts in many aspects of governance in Edo State today, even those who rooted for Ize Iyamu in the build up to the election back then are now convinced that they would have caused Edo State to repeat the 1999 mistake of choosing Lucky Igbinedion over Lucky Imasuen. That is how good and principled followership brings about good leadership.

eventsmallchops:
this thread is for rich people, i will be there one day , my desire is just to be able to keep food on the table for my family for now

Very wrong impression. I started with just 8K and that was in September 2004.

bayelsaowei:
I would continue to heap that blame on our almalgamtion with the core core north till they start thinking that rulership does not belong to them.. with the core north with us we cant reason towards true federalism ... without the core north the whole quota system gibberish would be a thing of the past.. how do we stop millions of zombies in the north from voting a calamity like Buhari?? Tell me..

We need to be very factual when we speak. I am a Southerner who grew up in a home environment where the default perception was that Northerners caused the amalgamation to happen for their selfish interest, and also destroyed federalism to the enthronement of this quota system. For the first 22 years of my life I carried that impression in my head and hated Northerners in my mind. I never knew I was a victim of psychic manipulation from a background environment which was nearly composed of people who were themselves ignoramuses of the issues about which they so much made assertions with authority.
It was in my university final year days I stumbled on books in my school library's reference section in which I was shocked to discover that 95% of the problem of faulty structure we all now complain of were architected by Southerners due to pure greed.
The so-much-talked-about amalgamation was done by the colonial masters without concrete/formal consent of any of the tribes native to Nigeria. However, you may be shocked to be told that Northerners were first to later realize that it was more of evil than good hence were the first to start calling for its reversal. Ahmadu Bello, the Premier of Northern Region, was the first to rechristen it "The mistake of 1914". This earned him a lot of bashing and name calling from the Southern Political elite who deprecated and frustrated all his proposals for de-amalgamation. At a point he made a case for the separation of North and South into two countries at the point of independence, but was equally resisted by the southern elite particularly those from today's SE. As the North's paramount political leader he was harrassed and armtwisted into being part of Nigeria against his will, and ended up being killed by a Southerner. Put yourself in the shoes of Northerners and see if you'll ever love southerners.
As for federalism; All records in the annals of history clearly show that the genuinely federal structure we started with at independence was first disrupted by a Southerner (Aguiyi Ironsi) on the advice of an committee 100% composed of Southerners headed by the same Professor Nwabueze currently, albeit hypocriticaly, calling for restructuring today without having told us why his committee destroyed the very structure he now desires in the first instance. Northerners twice sent a delegation to beg Ironsi to leave the federal constiution alone and focus rather on addressing the issues which triggered the coup. But he arrogantly refused and told them that he couldn't govern well if he didn't tamper with the key provisions which defined the very federal nature of the constiution. Mind you that no member of the public, be it from the North or South, at that time complained about the constiution let alone ask for its review. Even the southern politicians who were at the receiving end of the crisis of the moment didn't see constiutional amendment as solution to the crisis. Moreover, the crisis in question was caused by abuse of power by the Balewa-controlled central government by way of rigging of censuses, re-regging of the reruns, rigging of the 1965 elections in the Western Region and illegal interference in the purely internal affairs of the Western Region. So if at all the constiution deserved ammendment, it should have been towards further weakening the center to forestall a recurrence of the center's abuse of power and the attendant crisis. But Aguiyi Ironsi chose to criminally amend the constiution in such a way that further concentrated powers at the center thus giving rise to a situation whereby the tribe or region which successfully clinches power at the center has absolute power over all others hence all these quota system, etc.
Northerners only fought back and took advantage of the political domination which Southerners too had in mind against them.

KlasysTech:
Wrong

Nigeria problem started from leader, then degenerated to her citizen.

Unpatriotic of Nigeria citizens is as a result of what the leaders has turn this country.

The constitution doesn't help, written by the same leader to protect themselves from corruption.


Morning

Chinua Achebe is wrong. The problem of Nigeria is the followership (otherwise called the masses).
Government, by it very nature and definition as the rule of man over fellow men, is bound to be naturally oppressive and exploitative. It therefore takes a principled and resolute followership to curtail the excesses of the leadership and set it in the right direction always.
Leaders don't fall from heaven or hell. They come from among the followers. In essence, the leader you have at any given time was once a member of the followership (masses) hence the quality of leadership in any society is only a reflection of the quality of followership. A docile, unprincipled, greedy, myopic, pliable and gullible followership cannot produce good leaders any more than a kolanut tree can bear apple fruits. Such expectation is akin to a situation whereby a gang of armed robbers elect one among themselves as the gang leader and then expect him to become a rational, reasonable, compassionate and disciplined person just because he has become a leader. They forget that he is still an armed robber in the background like all the rest of them. It doesn't work that way.
We often assume that advanced countries became what they are on account of being lucky to always have good leaders who fear God. However, in actual fact most of the leaders of such countries don't even believe in God's existence in the first instance talkless of fearing Him. The persons whom they fear are the followers whom they know are very resolute, principled, tenacious to principles, etc.
Let us take an example: In 1999 we were presented with two choices as to who should pioneer our new democracy.
One was a tested democrat and pure civilian with relatively pristine and satisfactory antecedents. The other one was a member of the occult, a part and parcel of the militaristic oligarchy which had raped the country for nearly four decades and caused the Nigerian tragedy.
But Nigerians, urged on by primordial sentiments, rejected the first candidate for the obviously terrible one on the excuse that he had been to prison to learn lessons of life and that he would on account of that govern like Mandela who had similar experience. But they forgot that what took Mandela to prison was his selfless fight for humanity while our own culprit went to prison for a selfish and egocentric quest for power and vanity. But few years later Nigerians turned around and started to complain of militarized and compromised democracy, the weakening of democracy institutions and lawlessness on the part of leadership. But what were they expecting after having voted for a new democracy to be pioneered by a product of the military establishment which derailed democracy in 1966 and laboured hard to clamp down on advocates of democracy for 33 good years? So whose fault was it that we are in this mess today 20 years after we returned to democracy?
Another example: In my state of Edo, during the campaign for the 1999 elections in the state, while Lucky Imasuen was campaigning with issues like how to harness the transportation hub potentials of the state courtesy of her most strategic location, how to harness the arability of the land, the feasibility of harnessing the myriad of solid minerals scattered all over the Northern parts of the state, etc; the Lucky Igbinedion campaign slogan was that as Oredo LGA Chairman Lucky Igbinedion used to give his salary to market women as gift. Guess what! Voters were enthralled by the emotional campaign of the Igbinedion team to the rejection of Lucky Imasuen's which they accused of speaking too much grammar.
The real abnormality was on the fact that people concerned themselves with how Lucky spent his salary as LGA Chairman even though he didn't owe them any explanation for that... while they didn't bother about how he as Oredo Chairman spent the LGA's revenue accruals which he really owed Edo State people an explanation. Even university graduates of the Philosophy, Political Science, Sociology and other Humanities bought into the argument that Lucky Igbinedion was better than Lucky Imasuen for having the record of kindness to market women as Oredo LGA Chairman. But when Lucky Igbinedion's misgovernance started, they began to blame leadership. Do you honestly think the Edo situation I painted above was caused by bad leadership or by the Edo masses?

Valueinvestor:
"If it's cheap, buy it - Don't pass up something cheap today in the hope that it will get cheaper tomorrow" - Rakesh Jhunjuwala

If you see an opportunity today GRAB IT, it is not only important to identify an opportunity, but to be decisive and act on it. Some of us missed the opportunity of buying Access bank some few weeks ago btw 5.30 and 5.40 hoping it would become cheaper (maybe we should have bought some, and if it gets cheaper we would definitely have bought more), same thing played out with UBA last week. It's a trend that will keep going on and on, we've seen GTB at 31,Zenith at 20,Ucap at2.67,,Afriprud at 3.60,caverton at1.90,Dangote cement at 170, and so on, just this year and we are still waiting for them to get lower.

"If you wait for Robins, summer will be gone" - Warren Buffet.

This is also applicable in the reverse sense of selling.... If it rises high and gives you a good profit margin, don't pass up an opportunity to sell today in the hope that it will get higher tomorrow.

TATIME:
Jesus actually talked about how Peter would die but this has NOTHING to do with CROSS Sir!
You will stretch out your hand and someone else will LEAD you where you don't want to go. Please tell us what this statement has to do with CROSS?
Of course when someone grows old the young and energetic will LEAD your way, and it is this one that will determine the way but you must STRETCH OUT your hand TO BE LED! Sorry Sir,why not go and study the history of the Romans to verify how they do execute criminals instead of arguing in support of the TRADITION of these fake Churches!

You can only stretch out your hand if crucified on a cross. That is what that verse means. Can you stretch out your hands if nailed to a pole?

Going by the records of the history you so much rely on, Peter did not die at old age hence was never led to walk at anytime in his life. The Bible was written at a time the word 'cross' had become simply known as 'pole' in Latin language, hence the original meaning doesn't change on account of that. Romans executed criminals on crosses hence the Bible correctly records that Thomas wanted to see where the nails rather than the nail pierced through Jesus' hands. In your response above you cleverly avoided saying anything on this part of nail versus nail because it bursts your organization deceitful and falsified doctrines.

The link below can open your eyes to how 'pole' came to replace 'cross' yet retaining its meaning as two beams fixed together with one at right angle to the other in Latin language spoken then by the Roman empire.

https://www.bethinking.org/jehovahs-witnesses/did-christ-die-on-a-cross-or-a-stake

TATIME:
Jesus actually talked about how Peter would die but this has NOTHING to do with CROSS Sir!
You will stretch out your hand and someone else will LEAD you where you don't want to go. Please tell us what this statement has to do with CROSS?
Of course when someone grows old the young and energetic will LEAD your way, and it is this one that will determine the way but you must STRETCH OUT your hand TO BE LED! Sorry Sir,why not go and study the history of the Romans to verify how they do execute criminals instead of arguing in support of the TRADITION of these fake Churches!

Your own organization is the very fake one which relies science (a field of human endeavor which knowledge and findings are always being refuted and adjusted) and on error prone human accounts of history to validate the Bible written by a rather all-knowing God. The churches you call fake actually just rely on only the Bible regardless of what science or historical records say. Judge for yourself the fake on therefore.

TATIME:
I'm sorry for your deceived soul Sir!
If you meditate THOROUGHLY on what you and i quoted,you'll notice that Jesus is emphasizing the RECOGNISION of "His brothers" and being of great assistance to them!
When Jesus admonished His followers not to hinder anybody who wants to preach,teach or heal in Jesus' name, that time Christianity has not been firmly established as a GROUP.

The word 'Christianity' was first used by the people of Antioch to mean "Of Christ's party" in trying to describe the Apostles. The People of Antioch were not referring to a new group of believers in Jesus but to the Apostles who were part and parcel of Jesus-headed group which Jesus the head did not view as the only God approved group. So the idea that Christianity was not fully established under Jesus is as usual one of your human doctrines to validate your heresy. How could Christianity not have been fully established under its very founder who had made known the new covenant which Christianity was all about? Does that even make any sense?

TATIME:
But after Pentecost 33ce whoever wants th heavens to count him/her as a believer MUST join the GROUP to learn how he/she should preach and teach about Christ! Act 2:42

Acts 2:42 does not expressly so declare. You only smuggled that into it to validate your false doctrine. This is what it says: They spent their time in learning from the apostles, taking part in the fellowship, and sharing in the fellowship meals and the prayers.
The whole passage describes a people whose physical joining of the group was not because it was a condition for being approved but because the group practised communism which was the only way nearly any believer could survive under the atmosphere of persecution of the early church by the heathen authorities. Acts 4:32-Acts 5:11. So why do JWs not now practice communism as a group in order to appear exactly like those believers?

TATIME:
Consider Apollo, he knew the scriptures concerning Jesus but ONLY acquainted with the teachings by John the baptist,so he was taught what to preach and teach about Jesus{Act 18:24-28}If he dare say "NO" then the heavens will not count him as a believer!{Matthew 16:19} So he must JOIN the group that has the ACCURATE knowledge of the scriptures. Romans 10:1-4

The verses you referenced make it rather clear that Apollos already was very grounded in the scriptures and was preaching it but just that he knew only about John's baptism. However the Aquilla and Priscilla who taught him the accurate Knowledge were not members of an entirely different group which Apollos was already part of. In essence it was nembers of his own group that taught him the accurate knowledge and not that he left his group for another group which supposedly had a more correct knowledge. Appolos belonged to Paul's group which was different from Peter's group yet they were both accepted by God. And come to think of it; do you still think your organization is a right group given all that has been exposed on its very many unscriptural doctrines which are always changing? So your argument fails woefully again.
The Matthew 16:19 you referenced is as usual totally unrelated to the topic. The Romans 10:1-4 rather describes your organization as it is the one that is apparently very devoted in preaching from house to house (in total disregard for Jesus command against it) and boasting about it as a sign of being approved by making up your own standards hence lacking in true knowledge about the fact that people are put right with God through faith in Jesus and not through their own efforts or works of the hands or body (Ephesians 2:8-9... For it is by God's grace that you have been saved through faith. It is not the result of your own efforts, but God's gift, so that no one can boast about it.

TATIME:
Paul met Jesus on his way to Damascus, Jesus spoke DIRECTLY with Paul from heaven, but Paul must identify,learn and join the GROUP that Jesus is using otherwise he is on his own! Note that Jesus NEVER told Paul WHAT TO DO but asked him to go and LEARN what to do from a member of His GROUP! Act 9:6
So my friend Jehovah and HIS only begotten son Jesus knows what ORDERLINESS meant,they will never do things that will undermine it! 1Corinthians 14:40
God bless you!

Like I said and will always say; you don't really read the verses you reference.
In the whole of Acts Chapter 9, there is no single place where Jesus commanded Paul to go and learn from the apostles first. The verse 6 you quoted says: "Go into the city and you will be told what to do". You took out the the verse in isolation as usual of your manipulative organization. If you had read the later verses you would realize that Jesus was by that directive telling Paul to go into Damascus and be told how to restore his lost sight and never to be taught anything by the apostles who were rather in Jerusalem and not in Damascus. Here are the verses:
5. *Who are you, Lord?* he asked. *I am Jesus, whom you persecute,* the voice said.

6. But get up and go into the city, where you will be told what you must do.

7. The men who were traveling with Saul had stopped, not saying a word; they heard the voice but could not see anyone.

8. Saul got up from the ground and opened his eyes, but could not see a thing. So they took him by the hand and led him into Damascus.

Also, the preceeding verses record that the Ananias Paul was asked to meet was a believer in Damascus and was therefore definitely not part of the Jerusalem group of apostles. Even Ananias himself described the Jerusalem group as a separate one from the believers in Damascus.

See below:

9. For three days he was not able to see, and during that time he did not eat or drink anything.

10. There was a believer in Damascus named Ananias. He had a vision, in which the Lord said to him, *Ananias!* *Here I am, Lord,* he answered.

11. The Lord said to him, *Get ready and go to Straight Street, and at the house of Judas ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul. He is praying,

13. Ananias answered, Lord, many people have told me about this man and about all the terrible things he has done to your people in Jerusalem.

Then here is where God declared that Him alone and not any Apostle would teach Paul what to do in thereafter as regards the gospel he was just about to start spreading:

15. The Lord said to him, *Go, because I have chosen him to serve me, to make my name known to Gentiles and kings and to the people of Israel.

16. And I myself will show him all that he must suffer for my sake.*

Verse 19 also tells you there were believers in Damascus who were not part of the group in Jerusalem. It also tell you that Paul thereafter went straight to the synagogue to start preaching thus had not visited the Apostles in Jerusalem yet let alone being taught by them:

19. and after he had eaten, his strength came back. Saul stayed for a few days with the believers in Damascus.


20. He went straight to the synagogues and began to preach that Jesus was the Son of God.


22. But Saul's preaching became even more powerful, and his proofs that Jesus was the Messiah were so convincing that the Jews who lived in Damascus could not answer him.


When Paul eventually travelled to Jerusalem, the Apostles were even afraid of him but after some intervention by Barnabas, they accepted him to preach with them right away without anyone of them teaching him any damn thing:

26. Saul went to Jerusalem and tried to join the disciples. But they would not believe that he was a disciple, and they were all afraid of him.

27. Then Barnabas came to his help and took him to the apostles. He explained to them how Saul had seen the Lord on the road and that the Lord had spoken to him. He also told them how boldly Saul had preached in the name of Jesus in Damascus.

28. And so Saul stayed with them and went all over Jerusalem, preaching boldly in the name of the Lord.

In Galatians 1:11-12 Paul would later say it with his own mouth that no one (the other apostles inclusive) ever taught him the gospel. See it below:

11. Let me tell you, my friends, that the gospel I preach is not of human origin.

12. I did not receive it from any human being, nor did anyone teach it to me. It was Jesus Christ himself who revealed it to me.

All the above clearly show that you soul is lost to ignorance because you have made yourself a mental slave to some 8 manipulation and mind control experts in New York. It is still not too late to retrieve your brain from them and start reading the Bible holistically with an independent mind rather than the "Watchtower says" mindset.

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CROSS!!! Just a tradition Sir.
The Bible encourages sincere,honest hearted,interested persons to MAKE SURE OF ALL THINGS. 1Thessalonians 5:21
Historical facts reveals that Roman's system of executing criminals was NOT on CROSSES but on STAKES! Meaning just on single pole not double Sir.
So Jesus was not CRUCIFIED but IMPALED!
But the churches have been lying to sincere souls all these centuries and it's time everyone knows the TRUTH that the tradition "CROSS" is from pagan origin!

This was Thomas speaking in John 20:24-25

24. One of the twelve disciples, Thomas (called the Twin), was not with them when Jesus came.

25. So the other disciples told him, We have seen the Lord!* Thomas said to them, *Unless I see the scars of the nails in his hands and put my finger on those scars and my hand in his side, I will not believe.

Please note that in referring to how Jesus was cricifued, Thomas used nails (plural) and not nail singular. This means two nails ran through Jesus' hands meaning one nail per hand hence the hands were separated and nailed separately. If Jesus were crucified on a pole, his two hands would have been nailed with just one nail hence Thomas would not have spoken of where the "nails passed through Jesus'hands". He would have rather said "... until I see where the nail passed through his hands.

John 21:18-19 says:

18. I am telling you the truth: when you were young, you used to get ready and go anywhere you wanted to; but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands[/b]and someone else will tie you up and take you where you don't want to go.


19. (In saying this, Jesus was indicating the way in which Peter would die and bring glory to God.) Then Jesus said to him, *Follow me!*

Compare the two bolded parts and ask yourself if it would be possible for Peter to be crucified on a straight pole yet his hands strenched out.
You can see again that you don't need human records of history to validate the Bible because the Bible is the word of God and validates itself if you read it deeply and between the lines but with the guidance of the Holy Spirit which your organization obviously lacks. The same Bible says God does not need anymore to bear Him witness because he doesn't lie. So your organization's use of human records of history to bear validational witness to God's words is unscriptural.
Once again you are advised to free yourself from mental slavery to some 8 men in Warwick.

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CROSS!!! Just a tradition Sir.
The Bible encourages sincere,honest hearted,interested persons to MAKE SURE OF ALL THINGS. 1Thessalonians 5:21
Historical facts reveals that Roman's system of executing criminals was NOT on CROSSES but on STAKES! Meaning just on single pole not double Sir.
So Jesus was not CRUCIFIED but IMPALED!
But the churches have been lying to sincere souls all these centuries and it's time everyone knows the TRUTH that the tradition "CROSS" is from pagan origin!

Human error bound historical records are to be used as validation for biblical accounts written by God Himself?

What is the difference between "impaled" and "crucified"?
Meanwhile your cult organization has started reviewing its doctrine that Jesus died on a pole. Once this is concluded and you are reminded of all you just said above in defense of it, you'll save face by claiming your light just got brighter. Clowns!

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Neither you nor all your Daddy and Mummy GOs put together can erase it from the minds of honest hearted individuals Sir.
So keep arguing! John 7:45-52

Like I already said; you don't read the verses you reference. This is what John7:45-52 says:
45. When the guards went back, the chief priests and Pharisees asked them, *Why did you not bring him?*

46. The guards answered, *Nobody has ever talked the way this man does!*

47. *Did he fool you, too?* the Pharisees asked them.

48. *Have you ever known one of the authorities or one Pharisee to believe in him?

49. This crowd does not know the Law of Moses, so they are under God's curse!*

50. One of the Pharisees there was Nicodemus, the man who had gone to see Jesus before. He said to the others,

51. *According to our Law we cannot condemn people before hearing them and finding out what they have done.*

52-53. *Well,* they answered, *are you also from Galilee? Study the Scriptures and you will learn that no prophet ever comes from Galilee.*
Of what relationship is this passage with the topic of manner of offering in contention?
Your organization is nothing but a cult with an unstable doctrinal identity.

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Hmmmmmmm 8,000,000+ worldwide are zealously and industriously standing firm for the brightness,so you can search for a better group or better still remain a fugitive expecting Jesus to accept you without been part of a unique group! Matthew 25:41-46

Do you even read the verses you quote? Mathew 25:41-46 doesn't say a single thing about belonging to or not belonging to a group. Here is what it says:

41. Then he will say to those on his left, 'Away from me, you that are under God's curse! Away to the eternal fire which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels!

42. I was hungry but you would not feed me, thirsty but you would not give me a drink;

43. I was a stranger but you would not welcome me in your homes, naked but you would not clothe me; I was sick and in prison but you would not take care of me.'

44. Then they will answer him, 'When, Lord, did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and we would not help you?'

45. The King will reply, 'I tell you, whenever you refused to help one of these least important ones, you refused to help me.'

46. These, then, will be sent off to eternal punishment, but the righteous will go to eternal life.

So where is the issue of group membership in all the above?

The only parts of the Bible where the issue of compulsory versus optional group membership was mentioned is by Jesus Himself and such are found in Mark 9:38-41 and Luke 9:49-50
Mark 9:38-41 goes thus:

38. John said to him, *Teacher, we saw a man who was driving out demons in your name, and we told him to stop, because he doesn't belong to our group

39. Do not try to stop him,* Jesus told them, *because no one who performs a miracle in my name will be able soon afterward to say evil things about me.

40. For whoever is not against us is for us.

Luke 9:49-50 says as follows:
49. John spoke up, *Master, we saw a man driving out demons in your name, and we told him to stop, because he doesn't belong to our group.

50. Do not try to stop him,* Jesus said to him and to the other disciples, *because whoever is not against you is for you

Despite Jesus really perfectly having all the qualities that would confer on his group the status of the only truly God's approved one, he still didn't view his group like that but even forbade His disciples from having the perception that whoever was not part of their group lacked God's approval. I guess your organization is better than Jesus and his disciples as a group.
The problem with you JWs is that you deny what you see very clearly in the Bible just because you want to manufacture validation for your human doctrines. You are so brainwashed by some 8 men in New York that you have lost simple commonsense required to study the Bible yourself with an independent mind. The earlier you retrieve your looted brain from those 8 men, the better for you.