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Peacefullove:
I said u don't have sense

Oya, silly NL Christian , the bold just proved nothing like hellfire exist right now!!! Hellfire gone down , first bullet that destroy rich man and Lazarus story _ they are in their graves . no shaking

Second bullet, That lake of fire, Is it not the same place the 7 headed imaginary beast , Grave, Death are also casted, Please explain to this thread if these ones I mentioned will burn forever , your explanation of this ones will tell us what Lake of fire meant.

Keep fooling yourself. So its is no longer Jude vs 6 that you're going to use to pull down hell fire belief as you boasted ignorantly? I never knew your disease of picking out verses in isolation has even already worsened to the level of picking parts of my comments in isolation as well. Didn't you see the rest part of the bolded which says ".. they will be thrown into a lake of fire"?

And you have still not been able to show us the Bible passage which says the seven headed beast is imaginary.
And to think that a fool like you didn't see where I have actually explained that Death and grave in the context there are used metaphorically in reference to the Devil is the most disturbing thing about a supposedly educated person sheepishly following a publishing company.
My question which you have consistently refused to answer is this:
The day your manipulators in New York will claim they have seen a new light hence do some adjustments to this very belief you are here defending sheepishly, will you be independent minded enough not to start propagating that adjustment again as though it is the truth? Big fool!

Peacefullove:
Stupid boy, speaking with both side of the mouth, Have they been called from their Graves to receive their body like u said the other time ? If no, Suffering where ?

U are in soup .

Silly Zombie! You have with your own Bible citation roped yourself.
You keep reading and not ever coming to the knowledge of truth. Has the final day come to warrant the rhetorical question you asked above? Isn't it on the final day that Rev. 20:14 says the dead will be called out of their graves? Zombie follower of a publishing company!

TATIME:
Oh no Sir i'm not asking about DEATH but HELL! I'm not contending with the meaning of DEATH Sir, so i'm sorry if my write~up is confusing. Please what is the meaning of HELL been cast into the LAKE OF FIRE?

If "lake of fire" means mere grave, and hell means Hades, as you and your fellow JWs have been claiming here, then how could hell (i.e. Hades another name for grave) have been cast into a grave... meaning grave was cast into a grave. Put in another way; a grave was buried in another grave. How possible? Clarify me on this first before I now give you a detailed explanation of the whole of that verse in the context of the whole chapter.

The verse in question says; "And death and the world of the dead were thrown into the lake of fire....."
Now, if lake of fire literally means second death as you would have us believe, then it would mean that whatever was going to be thrown into it had once died a first death. If, as seen in that verse, the world of the dead (Hades according to you) and death itself (i.e. the Devil as you agree) will experience a second death, then that definitely means they had undergone first death.... meaning that the grave and the devil once died and will die again. Please where is it therefore recorded in the Bible that the devil once died and all graves too once died literally?

Peacefullove:
You are confessing .
What does the lake of fire into which these 7 headed beast is thrown ALSO represent ? A representation cannot be thrown into something real . lake of fire must represent something different from its literal meaning too



Thief , when u haven't allow me proof ? Silly boy

Jude vs 6 , the fire burn forever nah

I just laugh at your goalpost shifting.
So Jesus' description of his death and resurrection with the imagery of the Jerusalem Temple that He would pull down and rebuild on the third day means that his death and resurrection were not real life but imaginary?

As per Jude vs 6: it is really a pity that this is what you have been relying on in your boast to prove wrong the existence of hell fire!
First and foremost, it is verse 7 and not verse 6 as you would have us believe.
That said, so you didn't notice that the word "suffer" is in the present continuous tense and not past tense?
It means the people of Sodom and Gomorrah still suffer the eternal fire till now in the sense that their souls, after physical death,, are still being punished in fire just like that of the rich man.
Had it said "suffered" then you would have had a point.

Even KJV put it more directly. Look at it here:
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Hope you can see suffering there in present continuous tense?

When I said you failed comprehension in school you thought I insulted you. See yourself now? Dundee united. Olodo!

The earlier you abandon that publishing company you erroneously think is a church doing Christ's work, the better for you. Repent now and avoid the snare of hell fire. Stop following human laws cooked up from Encyclopediae and presented with crafty and sweet language that makes it appear as divinely insipred. You are under mind control. Beware!

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmm yes! As HELL was also cast into the LAKE OF FIRE. Revelations 20:14
So can we now conclude that HELL was later cast into another stronger HELL?
Well Jehovah's Witnesses are saying the LAKE OF FIRE symbolises TOTAL DESTRUCTION,that's why everything that wasn't in God's plan from the beginning was said to be cast there. And the writer concluded that the meaning of LAKE OF FIRE is SECOND DEATH.
So for now let's get the TRUE meaning as in PRACTICAL APPLICATION of that scripture,and forget about the meaning given by those eight old Newyorkers!

Death here is used metaphorically in reference to the devil. Check Hebrews 2:14 - 15, you'll see the clear interpretation of the devil as death.
So your eight New Yorkers are wrong again.

Peacefullove:
At red
Am rolling in laughter, so in what form will this sinners be ? Flesh or spirit . Somebody should take note of this, as the whole hellfire empire is about to go down now

Of course you are laughing at your publishing company's false doctrines. Didn't that Revelations 20 also say that the dead shall be called out of the grave thus receive their bodies and then after judgement, the sinners among them would be cast into the lake of fire?
Learn to read the Bible as an integrated whole rather than picking the verses in isolation. Start bringing down the hell fire doctrine let's see na? Just like you predicted the end of the world against specific dates but got disgraced by their non-fulfilment. Is it such people that now claim they want to bring down another biblical truth?
A people who could later turn around tomorrow to, in the name of having seen a brighter light, accept the very beliefs they term demonic today want to bring down hell fire belief? I laugh in Swahili.

Peacefullove:
u are too dull for my liking, Show me a beast with 2 heads first ?


Everlasting fire destroy Sodom too, fire Is still there ?

I said u don't have sense

Look at this fool! You are rather the one too dull and gullible for my liking. Didn't the same Revelations explain in several other verses that the beast appellation is representative of actual human figures?
So the mere fact that it is described as having seven heads makes it automatically imaginary? You obviously failed literature hence you know zilch about imagery which could as well be used to describe real entities. Your education is a waste. And I ask you again; are the devil and false prophets also imaginary? Doesn't the Bible also describe them with imagery? My friend go and sleep if you have nothing to say. You are just yapping in defense of a publishing company's ever changing doctrines.
And like I have been saying and asking, will you continue sticking to what you are defending now by the time they later claim to have seen a brighter light hence adjust the current belief you are here killing yourself over?
In which verse does the Bible say that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by an everlasting fire? Thief!

Peacefullove:
I said you are stupid, What does Mathew 13 vs 42 says ?

U are in soup today, shebi I tell you



I ask again: how can an imaginary beast be thrown into a real fire ? Satan is where this same beast is. Its important to know the beast and what happen to it then, as it would determine what this means.

As usual, you went to take out Matt. 13:42 in isolation as characteristic of your deceitful publishing company. Why not read the preceding verse to see the contextual meaning? According to verse 41, those to be thrown into fire to gnash their teeth are not spirits but sinners.
Look at it below, you fool and crafty demon:
41. the Son of Man will send out his angels to gather up out of his Kingdom all those who cause people to sin and all others who do evil things,

42. and they will throw them into the fiery furnace, where they will cry and gnash their teeth

Where did you see spirits mentioned there? Thief!

Peacefullove:
This guy lacks sense
Where is your sense ? How can you compare what happen after your bible has been completed to an omitted unimportant information. One happen before Bible was written , the other happen after Bible has been written and all apostolic followers dead . What u need to do is tell me if those records are false . if you can't, u are a zombie, an ignorant champion

This alone shows you are a fool. Were those who recorded those post Apostolic era events said to be inspired by the Holy Spirit? Why do you think those records were not accepted as books of the Bible? Zombified slave of 8 New York manipulatators!

Peacefullove:
I said you are stupid, What does Mathew 13 vs 42 says ?

U are in soup today, shebi I tell you



I ask again: how can an imaginary beast be thrown into a real fire ? Satan is where this same beats is. Its important to know the beast and what happen to it then, as it wiuldr determine what this means.

And the false prophet is also imaginary, right? Satan is imaginary too, huh?
And how did you come to the conclusion that the beast is imaginary by the way? At least you have seen where Jesus Himself mentioned everlasting fire for hell.

Peacefullove:
Eeyah, no defence , indoctrinated boy . when u finally find the error, alert me

I sympathize with the Zombie of a publishing company. Learn to rely on the Bible alone.
Didn't human records initially claim that the earth was flat at a time when the Bible already recorded that it is spherical/geoid? If with this alone you can't see why you should do away with Encyclopedia as regards establishing the veracity of the scriptures, then you are the most miserable zombie on earth.

Peacefullove:
Don't mind that silly boy, asking me to show him things that happen AFTER his bible has been written completely In that same Bible, does bible stretch to events after Jerusalem's fall ? . So stupid

Zombie! If the Bible didn't strench events to after the fall of Jerusalem, doesn't that tell you that the recording of post Jerusalem fall is not useful for the essence of the scriptures? Don't the Gospel writers themselves say that Jesus did many other things which are not recorded in their account thus signaling that the ones they recorded are just enough to pass their message about him? Human records are inconclusive and confusing hence can't be relied upon to substantiate the Bible.

Peacefullove:
Olodo Christian, the guy told you Yeshua compare it to darkness and mention gnashing of teeth along, is that too hard to grasp for you?

Zombified and remote control Christian whose brain has been looted, where did Jesus mention gnashing of teeth in his literal interpretation of the parable of wheat and tares? Mumu follow follow Christian.

Peacefullove:
U are in soup
Where in Revelation 20.

How would you know it is actually in the Bible when you have been programmed never to read it yourself but to wait for some 8 men in New York to read it on your behalf? It is in Revelations 20:10
Even your own NWT carries it as below:
10  And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur, where both the wild beast+ and the false prophet already were;+ and they will be tormented* day and night forever and ever.
I guess you'll now say false prophets don't have physical bodies and teeth? First class zombie!

Peacefullove:
Very stupid guy, where is the error ? Point them out ? Olodo christian

Mumu! Victim of Zombification. So humans records are more reliable than the Bible? Zombie! Zombie!!

CAPTIVATOR:
John 3:16 in the sense of fleshly body lolzzzzzzzz. No one means nobody .

Jesus said "no one" because he was speaking with a man Nicodemus in the fleshy form. He didn't say "no one's soul". Revelations tells us that souls are present in heaven. That is the difference.

CAPTIVATOR:
Have answered it.

Elsewhere he refer to it as darkness, telling Fire Is synonymous to destruction just as gnashing of teeth is synonymous to regret. Or is gnashing of teeth also literal for your imagined spirit entities ? Lolzzzzzz

You have not answered it. The disciples asked him for a literal meaning of the parable and in response he told them that the final destination of sinners is fire. He was no longer using figurative language to warrant the suggestion that he still meant a mere unconscious world of darkness with such clear statement.
Also in the Revelation 20, Jesus specifically described hell fire as a place of everlasting torment rather than a mere dark place of unconsciousness.

Peacefullove:
Are they false ? Prove them as rubbish. Typical Olodo Nairaland xtian

Can it be found in the scriptures? Prove they are in the Bible. Zombified Christians who try to establish the authenticity of the Bible with human error prone records. They don't believe what the Bible says until they have seen it in an encyclopedia authoured by man. Inverted faith.

Peacefullove:
Followers of Which Jesus ?
Trinity Jesus, non Trinity Jesus , non messiah Jesus , Jesus is just a good man Jesus , I believe in Jesus but not the Virgin birth Jesus , I believe in the virgin birth Jesus , which ?

Olodo, Nairaland Christian.

See experts of digression at work. Why not answer my question as to when Jesus followers were no longer around?

Peacefullove:
Anyone who disagreed with you is JW . u are wise, clap for yourself . you are not speaking with JW . use your brain



Idiot who said Abraham and Lazarus are in heaven,come and defend it in the face of John 3 vs 13 , if that can be false says much about all you have been saying on this thread.

No shaking, you didn't prove anything except what Catholic churcuh gave you. Today, u will hear wee

Just as you assumed I must be either Catholic or protestant for disagreeing with you. Can't you see your reasoning faculty is dead?
You are the idiot here. In John 3:16 Jesus used "no one" in the sense of the fleshy body and added that no one has ever gone and come back to earth. How does that invalidate our position premised on the parable of Lazarus and the rich man where they both went and didn't come back? I never knew you JWs' tendency to take verses in isolation has gone so bad that you even take fractions of a verse in isolation of the verse itself. Victims of manipulation of 8 men in New York. The day they will tell you that their light has shone brighter hence they've realized hell fire is real, you will start propagating it sheepishly again. Zombified Christians!

Peacefullove:
You expect them to be split while the apostolic followers of Jesus himself are still alive? Shows how daft u are . They recognize the one leading of that time , after they all died and Jerusalem which is the headquarters of this apostles fall to the Romans. Christianity get splitted into groups. This Constantine reunited into Catholic church, are you a Catholic or Protestant ?

You are a fool. The word "church" itself means followers of Jesus. So when was there ever a time when the followers of Jesus were no longer around?

Peacefullove:
Zone, parish, region etc are used by modern churches too as means of identifying their branches geographically , History would have deliver you from this disgrace you are giving yourself.

I already explained why churches identify themselves with distinct names, Go and read up on Pauline Christianity and Gnostic Christianity that develop shortly after Jerusalem fall, and how Constantine tried to reunite all in the Catholic church. If you are not a Catholic, you are a Protestant or Reformation. That's another distinct group, within Protestantinism exist many other church bodies due to differences in belief gotten from the Catholic Church. If I ask which Christian group do you belong , either you are for or against the Catholic church which will make you a Protestant Christian , here u are arguing on hellfire sheepishly, where do you got the belief from if not Catholic church ? Here u are defending a tradition gotten from the Catholic church.

You attend a church every Sunday, What is the name ?

I address some other areas of your post, why not respond as well.

The bolded above is pure rubbish. Those are human records which are not the word of God as recorded in the Bible which tells us that the scriptures alone are enough to teach and guide us according to the mind of God. Any record outside the Bible is irrelevant to sound doctrine. Get this into your head Mr. Encyclopedia.

Peacefullove:
Zone, parish, region etc are used by modern churches too as means of identifying their branches geographically , History would have deliver you from this disgrace you are giving yourself.

I already explained why churches identify themselves with distinct names, Go and read up on Pauline Christianity and Gnostic Christianity that develop shortly after Jerusalem fall, and how Constantine tried to reunite all in the Catholic church. If you are not a Catholic, you are a Protestant or Reformation. That's another distinct group, within Protestantinism exist many other church bodies due to differences in belief gotten from the Catholic Church. If I ask which Christian group do you belong , either you are for or against the Catholic church which automatically make you a Protestant Christian . here u are arguing on hellfire sheepishly, where do you got the belief from if not Catholic church ?

You attend a church every Sunday, What is the name ?

You are the one disgracing yourself woefully. A typical JW trying to change the narrative from the giving of churches human invented names to the geographical naming of parishes. Did the church break up into different denominations in apostolic times to warrant your rather tricky defense of your organization's culpability with the claim that they name too follow the Bible by naming their parishes with geographical identities?
I guess the way you get your unstable and ever changing beliefs sheepishly from your publishing company which forbids her members from carrying out independent minded personal study of the Bible is the way you assume others get theirs from their Churches.
If with all the Bible references provided on this thread you still assume that belief in the existence of hell fire is not a product of personal study of the Bible but of Catholicism or protestantism, then you are the most stupid member of Nairaland. You have been asked why Jesus, in His literal interpretation of the parable of wheat and tares, referred to hell as fire, you have cleaverly been avoiding that question but keep on using abusive language on people as if you have a monopoly of it. You must be a very stupid religious bigot who can't debate with civility yet you call yourself a member of God's approved organization. By their fruits ye shall know them.

Xander85:
Lagos has taken a disproportionate slice of the industrial/commercial sector of the Nigerian economy mainly due to the political-economy (status-quo) in place from 1966-date! This is the reality which people like me want to change for a situation in which one region/state/individual/ethnicity wouldn't monopolise control of the commanding heights of the economy! I'm angling for a situation in which every region/state/individual/ethnicity would answer their papa name; use their own resources as and how they deem fit; and not have to go to Abuja to seek permission to breath! The present status-quo which you're smugly and selfishly satisfied with is what's leading my people to travel to Lagos or Abuja to search for business opportunities!

If you weren't so daft, you'd have realised that in your bid to deride Ndigbo, you've inadvertently helped me make a case for Biafra! You've actually shown that my initial post that caused this back-and-forth (the one in which i called for genuine restructuring of the polity or disintegration) is justified!

Nobody is anybody else's slave in this country, and a situation where one region will grab and monopolise all the critical FDIs and other juicy economic opportunities, and another region (that thinks they're born to rule) monopolises political power, while the rest of us look on like mugus....such a situation is untenable in the 21st century and something will have to give at some point!

And whose fault was it that Lagos came to enjoy a disproportionate lion share of the nation's wealth since 1966 other than the only Igbo HoS Nigeria ever had?
Recall that all before then, each of the four regional capitals - Benin City, Enugu, Ibadan and Kaduna - were far ahead of Lagos in everything be it population, infrastructure, size of their economy, etc.
It is just like how Washington DC today despite being the Federal Capital of the US is not comparable economically with any of states like California, Texas, New York, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Illinois courtesy of the practice of a decentralized system over there similar to that which we started with but truncated by your brother Ironsi. So whose fault that we are in this mess now?

LucanBeeB:
LOL the Midwest was never neutral, forget that revisionist nonsense the Nigerian distorted history sold to you. The Federal government was in control of the Midwest at the time, and that made it enemy territory by all standards of military doctrine, and was fair game if invaded. Yes the military governor of the Midwest might have declared the neutrality of his region in the escalation of hostility, but Federal troops from the Lagos garrison in Dodan barracks were still stationed in the Midwest and definitely patrolled the region, though not in full strength. I stand among many rational Igbos that condemned the acts of atrocities committed by the Biafran troops (even though the accounts of such were haphazard and exaggerated), at least compared to the ones committed by the Federal side in the wake of the 2 infantry div counterattack under Murtala which even the international observers witnessed and reported in full glaring details... yet I won't exonerate the Biafran side from any of its disenfranchising acts on the people of the Midwest region. But to recap and conclude my point, the Midwest was never neutral in that war, in principle and theory yes... but every facts of practicality (factors like the presence of Nigerian troops using the Escravos ports in Warri and the likes to secretly patrol several miles of the River Niger, the garrison of Nigerian soldiers stationed in Benin, the tacit support of the Midwest to the Federal side, the ethnic complexity of the region with some supporting Biafra and the rest Nigeria , and the inevitability of an invasion to relieve the federal pressure on our Northern sectors), gave rise Biafran troops crossing the bridge on August 9, '67...The invasion was fair game given the circumstances at hand.

Also note that the prize wasn't even the Midwest, it was Lagos which was the Rubicon, Lagos was the pressure point as it was symbolically the bastion of the Nigerian military, more like Aso rock or the White House of its kind. And to get to Lagos in the quickest possible way, Biafran troops had to go through the Midwest which was the means to an end... at least it made geographical sense that way.

As per the bolded, care to show us a link to your source? Any documentation to substantiate such a bogus claim?

And mind you that the ultimate issue here is that the constiutional crisis which sparked off the whole trouble that led to the war in question was caused by Ironsi with the support of his Igbo kinsmen. Evidences that he enjoyed the Igbo nation's support to cause that constiutional crisis were:
1. The committee which recommend those offensive centripetal decrees by which he destroyed the federal nature of the constiution was almost 100% Igbo in composition and headed by an Igbo man Prof. Nwabueze currently but Ironically championing the current calls for a return to that same constiution.
2. The very day (May 24 1966) Ironsi made the national broadcast through which he promulgated those Igbo-centric decrees, dissenting voices were heard from the Northern, Western and Midwestern Regions, but the Eastern Region demonstrated a conspiracy of silence.

jomonic:
Do you realize what 700 means. That was deadly slaughter you are talking about. Such atrocities cannot happen quietly. There must have been recorded eye witness accounts. Can you point to any document where a graphic description of the slaughter of 700 happened. I doubt that you have any facts to prove your assertions. If it happened I condemn it completely. I hope one day you will also be free of biased and see the evil of the Nigerian soldiers and all those who supported them for what it is.

Here is Nowamagbe Omoigui's account with narrations from locals.
Note the following paragraphs carefully.

At the time of the Biafran Invasion, there had been no "northern" troops in the Midwest. The Nigerian Army 4th Area Command had two battalions organized in nine (9) companies. Two companies were based in Benin, two in Agbor, two in Asaba, and one each in Warri, Auchi and Ekiadolor.

As far back as April 6th, 1967 almost two months before the proclamation of secession, special branch police reports had alerted the federal government of certain activities that were to take on significance later (10). Two officers from the eastern region, (Lt. Col. Ude and Major Obioha) were in contact with some of their counterparts in the Midwest to make arrangements for the possible occupation of the Midwest by troops from the Eastern Area Command. The pretext would be that the Midwest was not strong enough to defend itself and that Midwest Ibos needed protection. This occupation was to be coordinated with a simultaneous seizure of the Western region, which (according to the report) was why some individuals (presumably Ojukwu, Awolowo and Adebayo) were advocating that "northern" troops leave that region.
Ude and Obioha apparently met with

Outright molestation, harassment and killing of non-Ibo civilians occurred on a daily basis. At night "suspected saboteurs" were fished out of their homes and arrested. The Hausa community in the Lagos street area of Benin and other parts of the state were targeted for particularly savage treatment, in part a reprisal for the pogroms of 1966, but also out of security concerns that they would naturally harbor sympathies for the regime in Lagos. But non-Hausas were just as badly treated. And as the hostility of the local population became more intense, so did the degree of indiscrete brutality for "internal security". Non-Ibo alumni of St. Patrick's College, Asaba and Government College, Ughelli, found to their chagrin that old school ties meant nothing in the new dispensation (17).
Radio broadcasts "educated" the public about the role of 'gallant' Biafran troops who had only come to liberate them from the "bondage of the feudal Hausa-Fulani oligarchy". An economic cooperation agreement was announced between the 'independent' states of Biafra and the Midwest. The truth, though, was that Ojukwu retained authority to approve all expenditures made by the Okonkwo regime and it was not until September 13th that normal postal, telephone and telegraphic services between Biafra and the Midwest were resumed (15). Counter-propaganda was indeed launched by federal radio, which appealed to the citizens of the state for loyalty and cooperation.
In this atmosphere, civil resistance and disobedience germinated, predominantly among non-Ibos. But a few Midwest Ibo-speaking soldiers and civilians did become leery about the invasion and felt the 'interference' from "across the Niger" was getting out of hand. On the other side of this opinion divide was the powerful, so-called "Enugu clique", eager to share in the destiny of the corporate Ibo nation (14). Such ambiguous sensitivities and antipathies within and between "western" and "eastern" Ibos have always existe[/b]d. Long after the civil war, for example, it even affected negotiations about the creation of a proposed Anioma state (18).


https://www.nairaland.com/714801/forceful-invasion-massacar-mid-westerners-biafrans

kachiz:
Could you please throw light on the tampering of the constitution? Not so that I can argue or disagree with you but rather so that I can have this knowledge.

The immediate cause of the war was an avoidable constiutional crisis caused by Ironsi. The independence constiution guaranteed a highly decentralized structure whereby each of the four regions controlled their own affairs and resources. They were not reporting to the center. It is exactly the kind of structure we are seeking a return to today through the current calls for restructuring. It was a system which insulated the regions from one another's exploitation hence there were no inter-regional fears or complaints of economic marginalization unlike the situation with us today. But when Aguiyi Ironsi came to power through the back door, he began to unilaterally alter the keyest parts that defined the very federal nature of the constiution thus reversing the decentralized system to a centralized one through ill conceived and poorly thought out decrees like the Unification Decree which centralized power, Anti-secession Decree which made secession attempt treasonable and punishable with death by hanging and endorsed by Ojukwu, the Anti-tribal Associations Decree, and many other offensive centripetal Decrees which reinforced the perception that the long suspected Igbo domination agenda was real after all. You know that under a highly centralized system whichever tribe holds power at the center controls everything nationwide. Northerners twice sent delegations to beg Ironsi to leave the constiution alone and focus on punishing the coup plotters. But he refused on both occasions. So they felt the only way to check the Igbo domination agenda was to overthrow Ironsi and decimate the Igbo officers in the Army which they really did. Their civilians too killed tens of thousands of Igbo civilians. The civilian casualty angered Ojukwu into threatening to declare a separate country as he felt the constiution had become too centralized thus posing danger to the interests of the Igbo nation. This necessitated a round table meeting to resolve the impasse which was already sliding fast into full blown anarchy. The meeting was convened in Aburi. But contrary to the federal status quo ante which Nigerians back home were expecting, the resolutions at Aburi were too confederal in character hence were rejected by the people through their elected thus genuine political leaders cum representatives like Enahoro, Awolowo, Azikiwe and others. This caused Ojukwu to declare war by announcing the secession of Biafra Republic. Then hostilities followed. Now you will agree with me that if Ironsi had not made any such offensive Decrees which altered the federal nature of the constiution, there wouldn't have been the need to seek a new constiution at Aburi.

locodemy:
As an experienced investor,you should have keyed into batch A stocks to reinvest in batch B.

Anyway,union diag is a batch B stock for loco.I go use the proceeds of some of my batch A stocks to move ur union diag.

2019 is for wise investors and traders.

You just said my mind about Uniondac as per Batch B status. I felt tempted to get in last week but was restrained.

onegentleguy:
My dear @ Chibuking82, I sincerely hope u hastened to the advise above.
It is well !!

Regards.

That guy missed the bull of last year January courtesy of assumption of the ability to perfectly time the market.
I just hope he heeded this advice you gave him few days ago when he was busy singing bonanza songs and dancing bonanza tunes in obvious contrast to the palpable tunes emanating from the NSE room.
Being too sure of oneself could carry disastrous consequences sometimes.

goldenarrow:
GOD bless you and all that is yours. Amen.

Thanks.

jomonic:
Biafra was in a war situation with Nigeria of which your territory was a part of Nigeria. Your territory served as launching area for the Nigerian forces as well. Did Murtala offensive not track through your territory. Have I ever heard you or your ilk talk ill about the marauding Nigerian forces and why they should traverse your territory to commit atrocities in Biafra. So you do not know that when you support an enemy you are also a part of the enemy. When you claim the Midwest was neutral, you can tell that to the marines. It is a blatant lie. You may try as much as you can to feign to be objective but you are not. No body is bothered about how you make your alignments but we are only calling out the foolishness and shortsightedness that governs your ideas.

So if you knew you were in a war situation with Nigeria with our territory as part of it already, then why come to offer us freedom from that same Nigeria we had supposedly, out of our own free will, chosen to be part of? Don't you think you have actually just contradicted yourself?
If you agree you were in a war with Nigeria, then why cry over the casualty you suffered? Or do you think war is an international friendly competition of some sort?
And I guess the Biafran soldiers who invaded the Midwest and killed over 700 locals in one onslaught, imposed themselves in Osadebe House, raped countless teenagers and committed other unprintable atrocities were on a Mother Teresa mission, right?
The Midwest was neutral as far as it's leader at that moment (David Ejoor) could declare it before the whole world. Despite we were statutorily a part of Nigeria, the Federal forces respected that declaration by never setting foot on Midwest soil despite they too needed the territory as a passage to Biafra area. But Biafran soldiers disrespected it and invaded us hence we became morally justified to drop the neutrality and invite the federal side to help us root out the invading Biafra forces which it did perfectly.

fullblast:
I can't say it better than you.
Igbos will never agree that they brought the woes of the war on themselves.

Honestly speaking, I have never seen a tribe like Igbos. Their hypocrisy and selective amnesia are so annoying. They have never taken a single responsibility for anything. In their own eyes, they were 100% victims of every other tribe's hatred and conspiracy. They conveniently forget that if Ironsi their own brother had not tampered with the Independence constiution, the events that triggered the war wouldn't have started at all.
These Igbos' matter just tire person!

jomonic:
These opinions are afterthoughts to explain to foolishness of siding with feudalism over freedom and Independence. If they were to have a glimpse into 50 years ahead of their time; to see today's Nigeria, they would have decided differently. They would have joined forces with Ojukwu.

And what exactly passed for freedom in the Biafran invasion of Midwest? Who in the Midwest asked Biafra for such gesture of 'freedom' offer? Which Midwestern individual or group told Ojukwu they were in bondage hence needed freedom? Before then the Midwesterners had fought a successful freedom fight when they felt they were held captive within the Old Western Region... and they didn't call for help from anyone. When the war started, they had declared their own neutrality which translated to freedom from both the Biafran side and the federal side.
Why are you Igbos always so overbearing? Must everyone reason like you? Why do you always believe that whoever refuses to dance to your tune is a slave of some sort? Are people not free to decide their own destiny? When you Igbos chose slavery over freedom by your rejection of the all-South alliance offer for the North-East offer despite the hindsight offered you by the massacres of your own brothers by the same North in 1945 and 1953, who begrudged you people or called you names over that?
Why are you Igbos this dishonest and hypocritic?
Just because a Midwesterner's view doesn't align with yours you choose to blackmail him with Afonja label. What is even you Igbos' problem? Must everyone be slaves to your opinions?
And when the same Midwest earlier on called for the cannonization of secession clause which would have made your so-called freedom easier for everyone to later get, was it not you these very Igbos that sabotaged the proposal on the parliament? Haba! Make una dey shame small small abeg.