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OBAGADAFFI:
Oga, I am also in Diamond bank for the N1 and extra Jara.

But Access has never been kind to her investors.

Access in the beginning was never kind to her shareholders. It later acquired Intercontinental Bank which was as well never kind to her shareholders. Now it is acquiring Diamond which was the most wicked Bank to her shareholders. What then do you expect other than a new Access Bank with (wickedness to shareholders)³?

kolaish:
That is his/her stock pick, probably from DA or SA (Dream Analysis or Sentimental Analysis). Let market decide if he is right or wrong or just come with reasons why someone should not buy such stock, chikena. At times, market may even prove one wrong even with all your TA and FA. Diamond Bank and recently, Dangote Flour are typical examples of that.

Couldn't have been better said. The number of purely FA and TA based predictions which failed here is very huge. Most rallies here are never foreseen by the FA or TA. They just catch everyone unawares and before it is realized, the whole thing has died down.

GonFreecss1:
The foreign investors who don't sell is an interesting point I have been thinking of too.

That is actually the strongest force keeping its price stubbornly high always.

STANBIC's OS figure is 10bn units unlike GTB and Zenith that are almost 30bn each. I think this creates a relative scarcity for STANBIC as well as a higher EPS for a smaller PAT hence a stronger upward pull for its price on NSE.
Midas Stockbrokers once explained to me that most of IBTC's 10bn shares are in the hands of foreign individuals who hardly sell. This is also another factor.

aremso:
And Skye bank that was given enough grace to recapitalize what happened to it in the long run? Am not justifying whatever wrong doing after all, i lost monies in both Bank phb and oceanic but the truth be told those banks were they healthy? They were paddling things up making us to believe all was well. The point am making is this, let the best economist manage the affairs of CBN as long as the system is not transparent things will still not work well in the long run.

By the bolded, you remind me of the days when people defended Ribadu's/OBJ's selective anti-corruption war with the argument that those who were being hounded weren't really innocent, hence the selective war should be allowed to continue in the hope that one day a government headed by OBJ's enemy would come and hound those equally corruption ridden OBJ friends deliberately ignored by Ribadu.
Has that enemy government to OBJ come now and will it really ever come going by the political realignments that characterize election seasons and the complicity of the electorate themselves?
If you happen to have owned one of the banks selectively hacked down by SLS only for you to turn round and see others which cooked bigger books about their results left unharassed hence continue business as usual, would you have taken the position you currently take on this issue?
It is like a school teacher who gave a homework to his pupils and tells them ahead that whichever of them scores below 40% would be flogged. But on marking the homework the next day he flogs some of the below 40% scorers and left the others, and when querried he asks, "Did anyone of those I selectively flogged really score up 40%?"Then parents during the next PTA meeting bring up the matter and in response the principal tells them not to worry as another teacher will one day be employed and he too will punish those whom the present one refused to flog even though they fell short of the 40%. It obviously means that the teacher flogged those pupils not really because of their scores but for something else entirely. Please if you happen to have your children in such a school, will you still leave them there?

Mpeace:
Price of wheat affects this one. Wheat is now cheaper thus the higher prospect for greater returns

Would you mind explaining why HONYWELL shares haven't responded likewise to the cheapness of wheat?

aremso:
My Prof Charles soludo a seasoned economist after the recapitalization under his watch, what happened to Bank PHB, spring bank, oceanic and intercontinental bank? These banks were recapitalized under his watch and he kept assuring everyone then that they were not having going concern issues not until sanusi took over and made us know the true picture of the whole rot in the system. To me good monetary polices and transparency is what matters most either seasoned economist/Banker can be

While SLS was First Bank MD, the bank had up to N200bn non-performing loan burden, but on becoming CBN governor shortly afterwards, his hammer which landed on Oceanic and others deliberately missed First Bank. Why?

Secondly, the way and manner by which SLS nationalized Bank PHB, Spring Bank and one other one betrayed a hidden agenda thus wasn't therefore about the alleged atrophying states of the banks. Recall that he had earlier set a deadline all by himself for them to recapitalize only for him to just wake up from the wrong side of his bed more than a month to that deadline and nationalize them on the exuse that even if he had waited till the deadline they still wouldn't have been able to meet up. Did he have supernatural powers or ESP? Why preempt a process set in motion by his own self without the input of anyone else?
By that action alone, shareholders of those banks lost more than the $20bn he later accused Jonathan of mismanaging.
Not that I blame him though. It was all the fault of Jonathan who tolerated anything, however evil and unwholesome, just in order to please whoever appeared to matter to his second term ambition. If not, I still can't understand why GEJ didn't sack the man for abuse of office as soon as he committed the havoc of preempting a deadline which he himself set for certain banks to recapitalize.

Crysthaniel:
yes ooh if people can reason inline with all scriptures ..
so when Lazarus died Jesus forced him to come from heaven to live on earth again..
after 4 days as for that Matter
or if peoples don't really die
why will God promise a resurrection?
or at night when you sleep where can you say you are John 11:11-14

And when the rich man asked Abraham allow him return to earth to warn his family members, did Abraham tell him that such was impossible or that he would have allowed him return to earth if people would listen?
And did Jesus waking up of Lazarus to life convince those who had shut their minds?

Revelations 6:9-11 tells you clearly that the souls of the dead were alive in heaven asking for justice against those who killed their bodies but couldn't kill their souls as Jesus already said in Matthew.

Crysthaniel:
about Elijah being John if I may ask where is Elijah before John was born?

Where did 2 Kings 2 tell you he was taken to?

Peacefullove:
Take the deadlyliar serious at your own peril.

very good question : Elijah is in heaven, so Jesus was lying that only the son of man came down from heaven according to the greatliar Called deadlytruth, Elijah also came down too in the form of John d baptist,

cc: crysthaniel

I await his answer

Peaceful love indeed! Violenthate and Violentenvy, you are just demonstrating the agony of defeat and embarrassment.
Until you answer my question as to how a grave can be buried inside another grave I won't take you seriously. When you finish answering that question then you can call me for further discussion.

CAPTIVATOR:
True worshippers will worship the Father. That render them false worshippers, who worship " the creation rather than the creator " Romans 2:25

As for unity. You Lied, They claim to worship Jesus but which Jesus ? There are various versions of Christ among them. A monicker peacefullove once highlight this . seed of disunity .

When Christ ask: Who do you say I am ? All the disciples expressed THE SAME view of Jesus through Peter - Matt 16:16.

Your realm of disunity on Nairaland platform as evidences by this thread is enough proof. No , just take a look at how brothers Stick closely with Each other, But among you is disunity .



Didnt Jesus appoint sherperds In the congregation ? - Act 20:28, 1pet 5:2-4. Jehovahs witnesses adhere closely to this scriptural direction

Here on Nairaland. Am sure there are sherperd over your disunited flock

As per the bolded; first and foremost, it was Paul that appointed sheperds in the instance you referenced in Acts 20:28 and not Jesus who was no longer around. Secondly, the Shepherds in question here were chosen by Paul for the Ephesian Church congregation only thus wasn't in charge of the other churcuhes outside Ephesus which had their own separate church elders. But your organization has a single set of Sheperds in New York dictating for all your individual Kingdom Hall congregations everywhere. That definitely is not similar to the pattern of the early church planted by the Apostles which rather operated congregationalism.
For 1 Peter 5:2-4; if you read from the very beginning of the book you'll see there that Peter was referring to the group of elders of the individuals church parishes scattered all over different locations. Both instances show that there was no central authority among the churches unlike your organization which now operates a centralized leadership.

TATIME:
Hairyrapunzel's problem is simple and straight forward!
Like the first century Pharisees who believe no one should step forward to declared he FULLY understands the scriptures,that's why all the former rival groups claiming worshipers of the God of Moses teamed up to kill Jesus whose teaching stands out! Matthew 7:28,29
Just see the way that young man looks intently at the Pharisees like "are you hearing how this guy is talking with authority?"
Pharisees like Hairyrapunzel won't just appreciate someone teaching God's word with 100% guarantee unlike him who will say "i'm not sure"

You have become a laughing stock in the minds of serious viewers of this thread without knowing it.
So you are still deluding yourself with the bolded after claiming on behalf of your heretic publishing company that Jesus asked Paul to turn back on his way to Damascus to go and receive teachings from the disciples in Jerusalem before becoming qualified for God's approval...a belief which had been shown to be a clear undisguised heresy going by Galatians 1:16, 17, 19 and 22?
You still believe the bolded despite after claiming that Revelations 14:6 as an evidence of your belief that the meek alone will inherit the earthly paraside without being able to respond to the question of whether there would still be different tribes languages and races and final judgement in that paradise going by the rest parts of that verse the one next to it?
I am only using your comments as comic relief.

Janosky:
Kolo Pharisee dey mock God's word.
**Rev14:1-4, v3 says "the 144,000 who have been bought from the earth"
v4 says 144,000 "were bought from among mankind"
Note: these verses NEVER said the 144,000 were natural Jews or only fleshly descendants of Abraham.

**
Rev 7:4-8 says 144,000 were sealed out of the tribes of Israel:
" Judah Reuben Gad Asher Naphtali Manasseh Simeon Levi Issachar Zebulun Joseph Benjamin"

If you studied the Bible well, you would know that those in Rev7:4-8 were not the 12 tribes of natural Israel.

## * Numbers1:4-16 listed the 12 tribes of Israel, the tribes of Levi & Joseph no dey among natural Israel, the natural Israelite tribes of Ephraim & Dan was omitted in Rev7:4-.
*** Proof that 144,000 is NOT natural Jews , but spiritual Israel.
***
*" the heirs with reference to a promise" of heavenly rulership with Jesus are "neither Jew nor Greek" in the flesh (Gal3:26-29) but "bought from among mankind" (Rev14:1-4), adopted as spiritual sons of God and "joint heirs with Christ" Romans 8:15-17

***
Jehovah's word the holy Bible is consistent but because you be Kolo Pharisee wey dey form Christian,"deadlytruth" without sense, you come here & argue blindly.

So natural Jews are not part of mankind hence the belief that the declaration that "the144,000 are taken from mankind" can't mean they are natural Israelites? You mean those 8 unstable New Yorkers taught you that Israelites are not a subset of mankind?

Even if the listed tribes are not the original twelve, does it change the fact that those of Levi and Joseph are Isreaelite tribes all the same? Did that verse in Revelation say anything about originality or otherwise of the tribes mentioned there in? Are you trying to speak where the Bible is quiet? Or have your 8 manipulation experts taught you that the tribes of Joseph and Levi have become gentile tribes on account of not being mentioned in Numbers? And mind you that the use of the word "tribe" in Israel later came to depart in meaning from the patriarchal idea premised on the twelve sons of Jacob as evidenced in the Numbers 1:14-16 you referenced. So why should it be a course for worry that the tribes listed in Revelations do not exactly conform to the sons of Jacob?
And the greatest and most amusing irony of all your inconsistencies and self contradictions is in the fact that you believe that the tribes mentioned there are not to be taken in the literal sense but believe that the 144,000 premised on that very verse should be taken literally. Can't you see you are confused? You either chose literal interpretation or figurative one. It smacks of duplicity and heretic mindset to mix it up just because you want to sell a preconceived doctrine.

Crysthaniel:
John is not Elijah
John 1:21
The angel had not told John’s father Zechariah that John would be Elijah, but that he would have “Elijah’s spirit and power . . . to get ready for Jehovah a prepared people.” (Lu 1:17)

and according to the transfiguration,
it is a VISION
Matthew 17:9

and you know visions have meaning
indicating that there was something yet to take place as represented by the work that Elijah and Moses had done.​—Mr 9:1-8
and according to the account of 2peter1:17-18
apostle Peter explain to us that
Also in the past God had spoken through prophets, he now indicated that he would do so through his Son.​—Ga 3:24; Heb 1:1-3.
when he referenced the transfiguration
compare
Deuteronomy 18:17-18
John5:46
and Elijah didn't go to a spiritual realm when he was taken through the whirlwind John 3 :13
A number of years after his ascension in the windstorm Elijah is still alive and active as a prophet, this time to the king of Judah. Because of the wicked course taken by King Jehoram of Judah, Elijah writes him a letter expressing Jehovah’s condemnation, which is fulfilled shortly thereafter.​—2Ch 21:12-15

In John 1:21 it was John the Baptist that denied being Elijah out of his own accord for the sake of humility. But Jesus Himself had said it clearly in Matthew 11:14. So between Jesus and John the Baptist Himself, who was in a better position to tell us who John the Baptist was? Recall that John the Baptist also saw Jesus and couldn't identify Him at first. All these tell you how limited John The Baptist's knowledge and awareness were, as compared with those of Jesus.
Also in Malachi 4, the prophet begins with "The Lord Almighty says....." and in verse 5 he added that "..... I will send you the Prophet Elijah..."
Was John the Baptist's testimonial about himself more reliable than those of God and Jesus about him?
Visions could be either in the form of a trance (That which Peter had in Acts 10:11-16) or a real life experience (eg that which Cornelius had in Acts 10:3)
Visions are not only limited to things yet to take place. In Acts 9 God had in a vision told Ananias what had already happened to Paul earlier on on his way to Damascus. In addition Paul's experience on his way was in the form of a vision because those traveling with him only heard Jesus voice but could not see him. But that doesn't mean that Jesus who was speaking was not real life. In the transfiguration vision the disciples seeing and hearing Moses and Elijah speak with Jesus doesn't mean it wasn't real life.
Well, I don't see anything in Gal 3:24 or Hebrews 1:1-3 that directly or indirectly suggests that the transformation experience was trance like, and by extension the other verses you referenced.
I already addressed the issue of Elijah's letter to Jehoram. Elijah was still around in Isreal and Judah while Jehoram reigned. If you hadn't picked that verse in isolation but had compared it with 2 Kings 1:17-18 to 2 Kings 2:1, you would not have assumed that the letter was an evidence that Elijah was not taken up to heaven in denial of what the scriptures clearly and unequivocally stated.

rebekah2011:
There are good stocks that have over the years delivered good returns and are still delivering good returns and will continue to do so with the right management in place. GTBank, Zenith Bank, Total, Mobil, Nestle etc.

And what is the level of an all time certainty of the bolded?

Coolcash1:
Don't be deceived there is nothing like the bold phrase when it comes to NSE....Even the real UBA don kaput since... If you know you know..

You said my mind. There is no such thing as legacy on NSE talkless of an enduring one.

Tolktob:
10% for two weeks should be 100%

It is really like 150%. I recall that FCMB went from 1.5 to a peak of 3.75 within those two crazy weeks... and that is really 150%.

Mpeace:
Bros it appears you were not in the market Jan.2018. There was a general bull that lasted more than three weeks. Just imagine 10% daily appreciation for at least 2weeks. That's over 150‰ increase in portfolio. Mine increased by over 300% thanks to the likes of Fbnh, diamond, fcmb dangflour... That month was crazy. THATS WHAT WE PRAYING FOR

I think I can see where you didn't get me well perhaps due to my construction. By my use of "assumed" I was actually referring to the perception that a candidate carries more bull prospects than another rather than the possibility of a massive general bull.

Mpeace:
Bros it appears you were not in the market Jan.2018. There was a general bull that lasted more than three weeks. Just imagine 10% daily appreciation for at least 2weeks.

We were all here in the market together then. Check the January 2018 days of this thread and you'll see my comments.
I got FCMB at N1.5, Fidelity at an average of N2.2, DF at N9.5 all in December of 2017 and when the bull came calling early 2018 I made a kill. However, for the rest of the year, virtually no bull again but bears with bear bear all over the place....so much that our initial boasts to sack our employers soon all vanished. Just imagine that last year bull to have taken on the stocks turn by turn..... some of us would have retired at very young ages.

Realistically speaking, a general bull is not the best. Geometric profit is made when the bulls take on individual stocks on turn by turn basis. This is why I would want the candidate whose victory will not lead to a massive shortlived general bull assuming there is really such between them as being speculated without any concrete basis.

TATIME:
The TRUTH remains that nobody likes to be a member of Jehovah's Witnesses due to their teachings that totally differs from all other groups coupled with stringent doctrines,that's why majority of those commending us are doing so but finds it hard to be part of the group! Luke 13:24
Many religious leaders have tried to make their members appear like spiritually strong by making unscriptural rules. They forbids
*alcoholic beverages
*hairdos for women
*makeups
*jewelries and so on
But when their members gets to the public,they finds it hard to explain from the scriptures why they're asked not to do these things since others claiming born again are doing all of it! So there is confusion everywhere to the extent that atheists laugh at those claiming Christians as there is no uniformity in thoughts!
True Christianity has rules and principles,whoever wants to be part of God's people must humble himself to learn and live by those rules otherwise if he/she claims to be a Christian he/she will just be seen by the judge as a worker of iniquity or lawlessness! Matthew 7:21-23

Just as JWs try to make their gullible members appear spiritually strong by teaching them unscriptural doctrines like non participation in politics, non celebration of festivals, non p
celebration of birthdays, etc.
What is stringent about doctrines like; no punishment for sins, no need to pay offerings, no punishment for child abusers as long as the culprit can make sure no other person sees him while doing it, freedom to get drunken, fasting is unchristian, spiritual power which requires high level of purity is no longer important, etc?
You claim other Christians believe in Trinity, birthday celebrations, Christmas, etc yet you still say they don't have uniformity of belief. Aren't you confused? What then is uniformity?
And you think atheists consider your heretic organization favourably?
A group like yours which seeks praises and commendations from among those who hate Jesus and deny his sacrifice and Messiahship can't be a truly christian group.

TATIME:
Spiritual things! Spiritual things!! Spiritual things!!!
Who is your teacher tori Olorun.
Moses and Elijah died centuries before the transfiguration yet the Apostles who NEVER saw them before could recognise them. Why not find out how those faithful first century Jews could RECOGNISE the two Prophets who have died long before that time?
Well we will help you, it is the TRANSFIGURATION meant to provide a sign from God that Jesus is the one through whom all those sleeping in death will be resurrected. Matthew 17:1-6 This is the type of signs unbelievers like you were asking from Jesus back then but it was revealed to faithful men and they were warned not to tell anyone until the appropriate time! Matthew 17:9
And mind you, Elijah never go to heaven. John 3:13
So Elijah was taken to another place but since the chariot that carried him went into the sky like an aeroplane it couldn't have been recorded better than saying he was taken to heaven,of course someone like you today knows that an aeroplane that flew into the sky will surely land somewhere else!
That's why he later wrote a later from where he was taken! 2Chronicles 21:12 If Elijah actually got to heaven,then how will you explain the scripture at 1Corinthians 15:50 and Jesus' comment at John 3:13
John came to prepare the way for Jesus just as Elijah did for a greater prophet Elisha so God's word does not implies reincarnation oooooooo! Otherwise your explanation could also mean Adam came back as Jesus! 1Corinthians 15:45
Oponu Olodo!

Here we go again picking verses and interpreting them in isolation. Unfortunately neither you have been able to explain how Peter and the other two disciples recognized Elijah and Moses whom they had not previously seen.
However, God had the omnipotence to make it so.

Ironically, you self styled believers however deny the existence of signs which you say the dispensation is past. Peter and the rest were given that transfiguration sign not because they disbelieve in signs like you and your organization but because Jesus knew they had the faith unlike you who base your hope on your human efforts just like the Pharisees who for that very reason Jesus refused to show them any sign.

I can see your conjectures on Elijah again. Please which encyclopedia did you get it from? Your attempt to use 2 Chronicles 21:12 to paint a picture that Elijah was only taken to another location on earth is pooh-poohed by the following facts:
1 If Elijah sent the letter to Joram from another destination, then the person who got it from him for delivery to Jehoram would have known where he was hence where he was taken to becoming known.
2. Elijah was very much around in Israel and Judah during the reign of King Joram of Israel whose reign went concurrently with that of Jehoram of Judah who received the said letter....Compare 2 Kings 1:15-17 with 2 Kings 8:16-17 and then juxtapose them with your 2 Chronicles 21:12 then you'll see yet another blunder you made by taking that 2 Chronicles 21:12 in isolation again.

As usual, you picked 1 Corinthians 15:50 in isolation of the whole chapter.
In John 3:3 Jesus declaration was in the sense that no one had gone to heaven and come back down to earth to be able to tell people what they saw there, hence He alone who came down from there could tell how heaven is. Recall that in the previous verses the issue under discuss was about who could tell people on earth heavenly truths hence it would take someone going up and returning to earth to be able to do so. Elijah did not come back down to live on earth again after being taken up hence that doesn't in anyway contradict Jesus'words there.

In 1 Corinthians 15:45 Paul was only using figurative language. If not for your foolishness and Zombification by a publishing company, how could anyone have taken a sinless Jesus for the actual sinful Adam Just because Paul used Second Adam metaphorically there?
Until you answer the question as to where Moses and Elijah returned from to appear at Jesus'transfiguration, you remain a slowpoke and buffon sheepishly following 8 unstable minded men in a far away New York.
I wish you also explain how a grave could be buried in another grave if 'lake of fire' means grave as you are told by those eight manipulators in chief.

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmm so you're truly the same Hairyrapunzel! Username differs but the same attitude.
Well suit yourself Sir,but JWs are still counting in numbers globally,no individual owns the assets unlike your DANGEROUSLY RICH daddy GOs whose focus on accumulating earthly assets{Matthew 19:16-23} so JWs can easily dispose anything for more pressing needs! Act 4:32-37
Meanwhile our yearly remembrance of Jesus is coming shortly, you'll get the invitation soon to know the nearest venue to your destination.
Come and see those unitedly worshiping together as one big happy family globally! Philippians 2:2
Adios!

I know you are an expert in goalpost shifting. Anytime you are caught in the web of your own self contradiction you resort to disturbing our ears with how your organization is growing as if that is the topic of discussion.
Why not respond to the question I raised?

In a previous thread you accused me of being Hairyrapunzel. Later on this one you said you were addressing me not Hairyrapunzel. But now again I am Hairyrapunzel once more. See how you reflect your organization's attitude of going from one belief to another and then returning to the previous belief again in the name of seeing lights of different colours and brightness?

TATIME:
You are just too hasty in your decisions. But all these questions i have asked JWs with criticism before i humbly BOW finally to divine wisdom,so why not calm down to see clearly
Well according to Revelations 14:1 it's 144,000 which means those going to rule with Jesus are LIMITED in number.
Now if you're a competent Bible Student,you will notice something there in the names of those twelve mentioned @ Revelations 7:5-8 that IT'S NOT THE COMPLETE NAMES OF THE ORIGINAL TWELVE TRIBES. So you can crosscheck the real names of the ORIGINAL twelve tribes of Israel at Exodus 1:2,3 carefully compare with the names mentioned at Revelations 7:5-8
If you're ready to know why there is a subtraction and addition in the name,you can humbly ask and you'll know the answer. But let me assure you that the tribe's name is not to be taken literally!

What I discovered from the honest and frank JWs (such are extremely rare though) I have come across in life is that most of them fell for the Watchtower's doctrines because they didn't have a deep knowledge gained from a personal independent minded study of the Bible before JWs came their way in life hence they were easily blown away as their foundation was not solid. You are obviously a very good example hence your bowing to them.
With all the various questions I have placed before you here about how JWs teachings either contradict the scriptures due to taking verses in isolation or not being in the scriptures at all in actual fact, coupled with the fact that you ignore them totally for lack of any scrpture based response, it is clear that you have realized that you were deceived into the wrong group but don't just want to admit it due to Stockholm syndrome.

If the names of the tribes are not to be taken literally as you say, then why take literally the figure "144,000" which is premised on those very tribes? Does that make sense?
You already have argued in a previous comment that heaven was not originally meant for human habitation. But now you say the 144,000 will rule with Jesus from heaven. When and where in the scriptures did God later change His mind to allow humans inhabit heaven?

Crysthaniel:
John 5:28-29
they are dead but Jehovah still remembers them ..
so when the resurrection of the dead begins they Will be brought back to life
implying that Even though currently they are dead.. they are alive by God's promise through Jesus Christ
compare Daniel 12:13

Daniel 12:13 says And you, Daniel, be faithful to the end. Then you will die, but you will rise to receive your reward at the end of time.

The use of 'but' there makes it clear that there is a total difference between the state of death and the post-resurrection state.

Moses had died physically and his body was in grave. Elijah did not die physically but was taken up to heaven but returned in the form of John The Baptist (Matthew 11:14) who later died a physical death and his body buried. But these two men appeared during the transfiguration of Jesus and His disciples saw them.
Now, I want you to explain how come Moses and Elijah who were in the grave in both body and soul (according to you) appeared back on earth at some point many years after their physical deaths. Kindly explain this. I am all ears

TATIME:
NO Sir, Adam and Eve died both PHYSICALLY and SPIRITUALLY that same day!
According apostle Peter Sir, a day in God's eyes is equivalent of 1,000 years before humans.2Peter 3:8
So if Adam and Eve never lived up to 1,000 years after eating the forbidden fruit{Genesis 5:5} definitely they died both PHYSICALLY and SPIRITUALLY that same day! Moreover there has never been any human who lived up to 1,000 years so let's look CAREFULLY into that MIRROR Sir!

You are trying to use sophistry to save face from the tight corner you have boxed yourself into. But you are not even very skillful at sophistry.
If we are to follow your deliberate misinterpretation of the 1000 years = 1 day in God's eyes, then why do you keep arguing that all the atrocities which your organization committed less than 100 years ago are long past hence you people shouldn't be appraised with those acts? Your allegiance declaration for Adof Hitler happen during the Second World War which ended less than 100 years ago which, on the 1000-years-to-one-day scale, equates to happening less than 1 day ago, i.e. it happened today...yet you claim it is past. Hehehehehe...... I am rolling on the floor again with laughter. If you take my advice that you go and put your commedy talents to good use where it is really needed you will make a lot of money within a very short time to be able to bail out your organization from its current crippling financial bankruptcy which is making them disposing nearly half of their assets including their headquarter building in New York.

Crysthaniel:
where is Abraham Isaac Jacob and co right now?

If you are building on the previous response I gave you, then you should have rather asked where their souls are and where their bodies are.
Now let me ask you; are their souls and bodies together right now? If yes, then where?

TATIME:
Truthfully speaking Sir,you have the knowledge but it's just the confusion type. Because apart from JWs whose knowledge is ONE,{1Corinthians1:10,2Corinthians 13:11,Philippians 2:2}all of your folks have different versions of the same knowledge hence you keep arguing amongst yourself while worshiping your Jesus on NL.
But as for Jehovah's Witnesses there is NO contradictions everything is orderly Sir.Romans 15:5,6,Ephesians 4:3 compared with 1Corinthians 14:40

JWs' knowledge is one? Please why are you wasting your comedy skills online when some commedians are daily raking in millions with their very dry jokes?
How can an ever changing knowledge be one? I am laughing here and rolling on the floor! You will not kill me with laughter before my time. Chai!
JWs have opposing knowledge hence they have separated into at least 1,000 groups. Even among the residual ones they don't really share the same belief freely. Rather they are coerced to. A colleague of mine in the office who is a JW once confessed that during Bible study sessions in kingdom Halls, airing of an opinion divergent from the one dictated by the GB is not allowed and could lead to being disfellowshiped and shunned.

TATIME:
You've gotten it wrong again Sir!
Our organization teaches that 144,000 Christians who have been bought from the earth will inherited a spiritual life in heaven,{Revelations 14:1}while countless obedient humans will live forever in Paradise on earth! Revelations 14:6 compared with Jesus' statement @ Matthew 5:5,David's prophecy @ Psalms 37:9-11,29,Solomon's Proverbs @ Proverbs 2:20-22,Isaiah 65:21-24
So JWs haven't taken any part and ignore another,that makes our teaching ACCURATE Sir!

Those 144,000 persons, according to Rev. 7:5-8 will be composed of 12,000 persons from each of the 12 tribes of Israel hence no none Israelite will be among. How then would they come from Among JWs who are neither Isreaelites nor Christians?
Mathew 5:5 speaks of the earthly benefit of the meek. Does that now mean that only the meek will be in paradise? Then where will those with all the rest attributes like purity of heart, peace making, poor in spirit, persecuted, hunger and thirst for righteousness, merciful, etc be? Can't you see you have lifted that verse in isolation again?

You always irritate me with how you pick verses in isolation. The Revelations 14:6 you referenced, when read further into verse 7 says as follows: "6. Then I saw another angel flying high in the air, with an eternal message of Good News to announce to the peoples of the earth, to every race, tribe, language, and nation. He said in a loud voice, *Honor God and praise his greatness! For the time has come for him to judge all people. Worship him who made heaven, earth, sea, and the springs of water!"

Now, from the two bolded sentences, isn't it clear that the passage is not referring to the time of eternity but talking about this present earthly times? Will there be different nation's speaking different tongues in your paradise on earth. Will God still be coming to judge people in that paradise where only those supposedly already ajudged righteous will expectedly be? See how you argue blindly and misquote the Bible with authority? I have been telling you that you are suffering from manipulation syndrome but you think I am villifying you. Isn't this another evidence that vindicates me?
Well, I won't even waste my time looking up the rest references you quoted because they sure to be out of context like this one I just pointed out.

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@Deadlytruth
There was NO provision for humans to live in heaven from the beginning so all faithful servant of God hoped to live on a cleansed,peaceful and secured earth Paradise! That's why you can NEVER see any of them talk about going to live in heaven, But when Jesus told His co~rulers that He is going to PREPARE a place for them as their government house in heaven,most misinformed Churchgoers like your teachers thought God's plan regarding the earth has changed! Psalms 115:16,Ecclesisates 1:4
So to have accurate knowledge,you need to first consider these questions
*Adam and Eve would be where if they didn't sin?
*has God failed in HIS original plan regarding earth?
*why are some going to heaven?
*will they remain there or return to the earth?
*will the earth still be inhabited again ?
*Jesus specifically said heaven belongs only to the BORN AGAINS{water and spirit baptism} John 3:5,but He promised to be with that thief who NEVER got baptised neither by water nor spirit in Paradise. Luke 23:43 So where will the Paradise be,heaven or earth?
All these questions and many more are the things causing confusion amongst your folks,and if you can't solve these riddles it will be impossible to have really dedicated believers like those over 8,000,000 members of Jehovah's Witnesses!
Sorry that your so called none denominational folks are always at logger heads regarding all these issues,and honest hearted persons like me won't just ignore such contradictions claiming Christian in your midst!

Sorry, I have decided to ignore all these scrptural references above because experience has shown that 97% of your references are always out of context and verses taken in isolation.
And the simple question remains that: if heaven or God's expected kingdom means an earthly paraside to be inhabited by fleshy humans exactly like Adam and Eve created in the flesh to occupy the earth, then how come the 1 Corinthians 15:50 you quoted says that nothing in the flesh will enter into the kingdom of God? Or is the paradise a different thing from the kingdom of God? I need direct answers from the scriptures and not your usual conjectures.

Crysthaniel:
yes ooh if I may ask
which kind of death did Abraham and co died?

but Adam and Eve died naw (physical) according to Genesis Genesis 5:5
at that day Cox they no reach 1000 years

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob died physical deaths and never died spiritual deaths while alive unlike Adam and Eve.

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Truthfully speaking i don't blame many of them because their Yahoo plus ogas have sealed their minds not to listen to JWs, it happened to me as well.
But what baffles me is when i now notice some of them coming on social media to argue blindly on what they can't defend with efficacy!
Your Yahoo plus ogas said "don't engage JWs in Bible based debates" yet instead of knowing that something must be wrong somewhere,they're stubbornly coming to argue! Well it's good for honest hearted ones amongst them,just as an elderly brother once told me he said
"Do you know why their are more born JWs from Ilesha{Osun state} than Ibadan{Oyo state}?" he continues
"Well it's because the Ijeshas can argue over what is not clear to them,so most of them are doing so out of a clean conscience therefore by the end of the day,they'll finally embrace the TRUTH with tears of joy" he adds
"As for the Ibadans, they will sit quietly as if all is well but after confirming what you've discussed with them with their own mouth, will never make any changes!"
So who knows if any of them is really doing this from a clear conscience,and by the end of the day have a rethink
One thing i kept telling anyone here is "don't praise me when you notice the wisdom,because i received it by a thorough study with an organization{1Corinthians 4:7} And you too can be fully competent and completely equipped{2Timothy 3:17} much more than i do if you are truly hungry for spiritual things" Matthew 5:6

See who is accusing others of arguing blindly. Look into the mirror once more please.
The same person who claimed that after the encounter on the way to Damascus, Jesus asked Saul to return to Jerusalem to get tutored by the disciples when in actual fact Jesus asked Saul to continue into Damascus to receive healing, and Paul himself later revealing in Galatians 1:11-12 that he was taught by no human being.
What argument could be blinder than this?
You are just a very funny clown who evidences the fact that your organization is a very manipulative one whose members are forbidden from personal independent minded study of the Bible.
Self delusion is usually blissful.