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Hairyrapunzel:
I cor 11:7-10

7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10 It is for this reason that a woman ought to have authority over her own head, because of the angels.

You will put up a verse and shame will not allow you quote the verse. You are a very deceitful person. How does 1 cor 11:9 now translate to many sects springing up? How does it confirm your line of reasoning? Do you even read the verses you put up here?

Same question I asked one of them on another thread. They just quote verses which don't even have any bearing at all with the topic in question. Talk of the effect of brainwashing by some 8 manipulation experts in Warwick.

Barristter07:
Highly irrelevant to the original thought!

The usual refrain when they are carpeted with their own logic.

Barristter07:
Seems you need to restart your Bible study.

Your reasoning is faulty, no offense. Jesus prophesied that a time will come when there Will be numerous weeds will be among his true disciples and they will look similar,

- 1 Cor 11:9 Also confirms this saying many sects will sprang up. All claiming Christian .


This is why each group need to be specially identified for easy reference in knowing those approved

Okay, take this real life scene .

A Muslim accused Christians {everyone} of worshiping Trinity, worshiping Jesus as God instead of the only true God - John 4:23

Someone now said " not all Christians do that, Jehovah's witnesses for example are different"

Identify where you belong !?

So it is the view of Moslems that dictate the criteria for being a follower of Christ?
Moslems also chide Christianity over the belief that Jesus is the Son of God hence rhetorically ask what is the relationship between God and Mary if the Christian teaching that Jesus is the Son of God is a correct teaching. Now, I guess your organization'll also stop believing in the Sonship of Jesus so as to appear to Moslems that your are different, right?

Contrary to Christian belief that Jesus was cricifued and rose on the third day, Moslems rather believe that a supposed Son of God and a supposedly powerful saviour couldn't have been caught and killed so cheaply by the very people he came to save. In their eyes, this belief in the cricifixion of God's Son and mankind's saviour is as silly and illogical as the belief in Trinity. I guess your organization should also do away with the belief in Jesus' death so as to look different in the eyes of Moslems since all that matters to you people is just how to appear outwardly different to please moslems and other non-christians regardless of how unscriptural that element of outward appearance or difference might be.

Jesus' disciples once went to Him and told Him how they stopped a man preaching about Jesus and doing miracles in His name just because he didn't belong to their group (i.e Jesus and his disciples). This was a clear case of the disciples assuming that their group alone was the only one approved by God since it was being headed by Jesus Himself. But what was Jesus' response? He simply disagreed with that perception thus dismissing the thought that there is a physical body to which people must belong as a requirement for salvation. If Jesus the, redeemer of sinners, the founder Christianity and the perfect example of all the righteousness required to confer God's approval on his group as the only true one didn't however see His own group as such, how JWs see this clearly in the Bible but keep on believing that there is a so-called true Christian organization even headed by sinners who themselves are looking up to Jesus for salvation beats me silly. These people are so brainwashed by eight men in New York that they don't even read the Bible with their own independent minds.

The first people to be called Christians were so identified by their individual conducts and not because they were seen to belong to any formal group or distinct organization.

Jehovah's Witnesses is a cult and an Antichrist Organization. They twist the Bible to suit their predetermined doctrines and change these doctrines over and over again. Sometimes they deny ever having the previous doctrine which they changed from. They are not guided by the Holy Spirit promised by Jesus as the perfect teacher, but are guided by mortal men hence their imperfect and ever changing doctrines.

Despite Jesus clearly said that none except the Father knows when the world would end, Jehovah's Witnesses keep trying to predict the time the world would end. This alone is the biggest evidence that they are not approved by God. The scriptures say that a genuine prophet of God is identified by the accuracy and fulfillment of his prophesies. But all JWs prophesies have failed glaringly.

Light gets Brighter
In order to justify that the Watchtower teaches truth, despite constant doctrinal changes, the idea of the “light gets brighter” is invoked. With it they claim that new doctrine does not contradict but clarifies old doctrine. The progression of doctrine is described as tacking, moving from side to side but ever forward.
“Of course, such development of understanding, involving “tacking” as it were, has often served as a test of loyalty for those associated with the “faithful and discreet slave.” However, progress is being made continually toward fuller appreciation of the “good news” and all that it means.” Watchtower 1981 Dec 1 p.31
This is not the case in many doctrinal changes, where the doctrine has gone back and forth between two or more interpretations. Recent examples regard the “ generation ” and “ faithful and discreet slave.” In such cases, the new doctrine is presented as new light, without revealing that they are going back to a previous teaching.
For instance, the Watchtower used to teach that the Superior Authorities of Romans 13:1 were Governments. In 1929, this was changed to being Jehovah and Jesus. In 1962, this went back to being Governments. Yet when discussing this topic, Watchtower publications, such as
Watchtower 1990 Nov 1 p.11 and
Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom pp.146-147, present the 1962 change as “progressive” or “increased” light, failing to mention that they were returning to “old light.”

TATIME:
You're one funny clown that is worth watching on a circus Sir!
So when Jehovah's Witnesses are
*Preaching and teaching from house to house.Act 20:20
*Disarming their members from touching weapons.Isaiah 2:4
*Having nothing to do with Worldly Politics.John 17:16
*Making a global family of worshipers. Ephesians 4:3,Philippians 2:2
So you are saying all these breakaway groups are also PERFORMING the same task
Well Apostle John have answered you! 1John 2:19
If you don't understand,i have explained how JWs came out from these Satan's RELIGIOUS system. Revelations 18:4
Jesus(after his ascension) allowed falsehood to remain within Christianity{Matthew 13:24-30} after the death of the Apostles Apostles,Apostates with the backing of the Roman government scrap true Christianity so that people from far and near only knew Pagan Catholic Church as Christians. Many started protesting and breaking away but they are also having dealings with politics so they failed to produce the FRUIT required until America declared FREEDOM of speech,expression and worship. The door finally opened for TRUE Christianity to start taking shape again! So all that you've heard about JWs reformation is the result of Jesus back to inspect His spiritual temple and cleanse it.Matthew 24:45,Luke 18:8 That is why you hear of JWs changing so many things they used to do before,don't be obstinate about this because Jesus is still the same person,remember that is how He kept helping the first century Christians in readjusting their mindset. Remember TRUE Christians are HUMBLE so they will never think of what unbelievers will say whenever Jesus is teaching them to MAKE AMENDMENTS in their beliefs! John 6:61-69
Today TRUE Christianity is fully restored therefore whoever breaks away from what Jesus(the true vine) has established can never bear the FRUITS expected of Jesus' followers. John 15:4-6

As per the bolded: The fact that your doctrinal changes are sometimes reversals to the old ones you initially discarded makes it clear that it is not really inspired by Jesus.
So your rationalization of doctrinal instability with the "Light gets Brighter" principle is actually an out of context use of that biblical principle.
In order to justify that the Watchtower teaches truth, despite constant doctrinal changes, the idea of the “light gets brighter” is invoked. They claim the new doctrine does not contradict but clarifies old doctrine. The progression of doctrine is described as tacking, moving from side to side but ever forward.
A Watchtower publication goes thus:
“Of course, such development of understanding, involving “tacking” as it were, has often served as a test of loyalty for those associated with the “faithful and discreet slave.” However, progress is being made continually toward fuller appreciation of the “good news” and all that it means.” Watchtower 1981 Dec 1 p.31.
But this is actually not the case in many doctrinal changes, where the doctrine has gone back and forth between two or more interpretations. Recent examples regard the “ generation ” and “ faithful and discreet slave.” In such cases, the new doctrine is presented as new light, without revealing that they are going back to a previous teaching.
For instance, the Watchtower used to teach that the Superior Authorities of Romans 13:1 were Governments. In 1929, this was changed to being Jehovah and Jesus. In 1962, this went back to being Governments. Yet when discussing this topic, Watchtower publications, such as
Watchtower 1990 Nov 1 p.11 and
Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom pp.146-147, present the 1962 change as “progressive” or “increased” light, failing to mention that they were returning to “old light.”

Bundaweber:
1. improved revenue drive
2. edo gis - streamlined service for processing of c/o and land claims.
3. building of new secretariat complex
4. building of edo indsutrial court complex.
5. gele gele river port.
6. increased number of land to agro- processing and agro-allied firms
7. banishing of touting and beautification of markets.
8. edsma
9. provision of jobs through PUWOV
10. disbandment of CDA and setting up Private Property Protection
11. creation of edo innovation hub.
12. creation of parking lots around ring road axis
13. creation of central motor park
14. broadband access just to name a few. i am an opposition party member, but i oppose constructively and sensibly.

Construction of roads leading to farming villages in the remotest rural areas. This is one aspect of his administration that is very difficult to see by those who reside mostly in Benin City and immediate environs hence they are prone to concluding that he has done nothing really.

Janosky:
Offspring of viper !!!!
' hairyrapunzel masquerades as 'deadlytruth'
Lying Pharisee always disdain the expressed command of Jesus Christ.
Mtschewwww.

Let me further reset your heart back to the path of truth.

Acts 17:1-2 says:
1. Paul and Silas traveled on through Amphipolis and Apollonia and came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue.

2. According to his usual habit Paul went to the synagogue. There during three Sabbaths he held discussions with the people, quoting

3. and explaining the Scriptures.....

Acts 18:1-4 says:
1. After this, Paul left Athens and went on to Corinth.

2. There he met a Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla, for Emperor Claudius had ordered all the Jews to leave Rome. Paul went to see them,

3. and stayed and worked with them, because he earned his living by making tents, just as they did.

4. He held discussions in the synagogue every Sabbath, trying to convince both Jews and Greeks.

Acts 17:10 says:
10. As soon as night came, the believers sent Paul and Silas to Berea. When they arrived, they went to the synagogue.

Acts 17:16-17 says:
16. While Paul was waiting in Athens for Silas and Timothy, he was greatly upset when he noticed how full of idols the city was.

17. So he held discussions in the synagogue with the Jews and with the Gentiles who worshiped God, and also in the public square every day with the people who happened to come by.

Acts 17: 22-23 says:
22. Paul stood up in front of the city council and said, *I see that in every way you Athenians are very religious.

23. For as I walked through your city[/b]and looked at the places where you worship,.....

Acts 19:8 says:

8. [b]Paul went into the synagogue[/b]and for three months spoke boldly with the people, holding discussions with them and [b]trying to convince them about the Kingdom of God.

All these references show clearly that Paul always went to either the synagogue or the city square (i.e. public places) whenever he arrived a new town to evangelize. It is not recorded anywhere in the scriptures that on arrival in a new place he started going from house to house.

TATIME:
Go and rewrite what has been written to suit your taste Sir,as far as this thread is concerned the OP has written that. John 19:22 CASE CLOSED!

The mere fact that the OP brought up the issue here for discussion in the first instance means he had not really made up an opinion about it. So you can't really claim he eulogised you. However, his question has been thoroughly answered with supporting scrptures that your organization is the most forceful in demanding offerings from members and even non-members.

TATIME:
Once beaten twice shy my friend,what the OP wrote has been written already and i don't think he is ready to swallow it back!
So you can continue arguing for all i care,Jehovah's Witnesses has been given the credit by someone who is NOT a JW but one of your Pentecostals, case closed!

On the overall scale, the OP says he hates your doctrine.
Even on the aspect of offering he has been educated thus disillusioned that your organization is actually the only one which forces her members as per offering as it dictates what to give, how to give and when to give. He has also been clarified that your organization also cajoles even unbelievers to give offerings to it.

TATIME:
My brother, Jesus said let your YES remain YES while your NO remains NO,anything short of this is from Satan the Devil! Matthew 5:37
I will continue to take Hairyrapunzel for Hairyrapunzel and Deadlytruth for Deadlytruth, as long as the bears keep calling themselves separate persons,remember those who goes on disguising are descendants of the one who disguised as a serpent at Genesis 3:1-5.
Please let's continue dealing with these beautiful souls the way they are presenting themselves{sincere persons} it's not ours to decide who they are,each person will know in his/her own heart where he/she TRULY belongs!

I thought we are in a debate running on scrptural facts and logic? When the Pharisees lost out to Jesus in debates they resorted to accusing him of being demon possessed, being of the Beelzebub extraction, etc. just to save face from the embarrassing defeat Jesus wrecked on them and their man made opinions about God. Same is happening here. You want to bait me with insults so as to derail me from my exposure of the heretic nature of your organization. I will not fall for this bait.
I am only interested in you substantiating your doctrine with the scriptures.

Janosky:
Hairyrapunzel is 'Deadlytruth' , his viral load of prejudice ,hate & senseless is unequalled.
That's the Gubernatorial Candidate of Yaba/Uselu kolo State.

At least it is now clear that you have lost out totally on the scriptures-based debate about the right doctrine hence your resort to childish tantrums and cries. Let's even assume I am Hairyrapunzel, how does that change the fact that my submissions have exposed your organization's doctrine as mostly man made and based on interpretation of Bible verses in isolation? Care to explain?

Janosky:
Offspring of viper !!!!
' hairyrapunzel masquerades as 'deadlytruth'
Lying Pharisee always disdain the expressed command of Jesus Christ.
Mtschewwww.

Your own comments no longer bother me because your inability to go further in misquoting Bible verses in isolation but resort to tantrums have made it clear that you have in your subconscious mind acknowledged it that most of your doctrines are man made. Please go and collect your brain back from those 8 men in New York.

TATIME:
You're FREE to decide on what to do Sir!
I have SEEN much more than what the OP posted that is why i presented what i believe but if you disagree with his post,you can continue saying what you believe.
God bless you!

No genuine Christian is free do decide what to do outside the scriptures. That is why we are trying to determine validity by scrptural referencing. So whichever group can't prove her beliefs with the scriptures is fake. So far you have failed woefully to defend your beliefs with the scriptures hence your organization is fake and apostate.

TATIME:
You're one funny clown that is worth watching on a circus Sir!
So when Jehovah's Witnesses are
*Preaching and teaching from house to house.Act 20:20
*Disarming their members from touching weapons.Isaiah 2:4
*Having nothing to do with Worldly Politics.John 17:16
*Making a global family of worshipers. Ephesians 4:3,Philippians 2:2
So you are saying all these breakaway groups are also PERFORMING the same task
Well Apostle John have answered you! 1John 2:19
If you don't understand,i have explained how JWs came out from these Satan's RELIGIOUS system. Revelations 18:4
Jesus(after his ascension) allowed falsehood to remain within Christianity{Matthew 13:24-30} after the death of the Apostles Apostles,Apostates with the backing of the Roman government scrap true Christianity so that people from far and near only knew Pagan Catholic Church as Christians. Many started protesting and breaking away but they are also having dealings with politics so they failed to produce the FRUIT required until America declared FREEDOM of speech,expression and worship. The door finally opened for TRUE Christianity to start taking shape again! So all that you've heard about JWs reformation is the result of Jesus back to inspect His spiritual temple and cleanse it.Matthew 24:45,Luke 18:8 That is why you hear of JWs changing so many things they used to do before,don't be obstinate about this because Jesus is still the same person,remember that is how He kept helping the first century Christians in readjusting their mindset. Remember TRUE Christians are HUMBLE so they will never think of what unbelievers will say whenever Jesus is teaching them to MAKE AMENDMENTS in their beliefs! John 6:61-69
Today TRUE Christianity is fully restored therefore whoever breaks away from what Jesus(the true vine) has established can never bear the FRUITS expected of Jesus' followers. John 15:4-6

watching on a circus Sir!
So when Jehovah's Witnesses are
*Preaching and teaching from house to house.Act 20:20

Stop trying to interprete Bible verses in isolation. Read from verse 17 and you'll see that in verse 20 Paul was addressing only the Church elders and whose houses he had visited to conduct Sunday services for them and other believers... and not for evangelism of unbelievers.
In Romans 16:23 to 24 Paul sent greetings to Gaius in whose house he himself said the church (i.e. believers in Rome) used to meet.

*Disarming their members from touching weapons.Isaiah 2:4

Care to explain why then your organization, in the Awake edition already posted here, declares it is not pacifist and upholds members self defense with weapons?

*Having nothing to do with Worldly Politics.John 17:16

The verse above only talks about having nothing to do with the world. You only smuggled the word "politics" into it to validate your heretic doctrine. Why don't you also avoid education, working in government parastatals, civil service, doing business, investing in stocks and bonds, etc since all such are equally thing done in the world?
In Acts 1: 6-7, the disciples demanded of Jesus to know when the Roman imperialist government would give way to self rule by Israelites...thus they were showing interest in the earthly politics of their country. Jesus didn't rebuke them but rather affirmed that God would grant that wish later in the future. Also, in Romans 16:23-24 Paul addressed Erastus as a brother in the Lord who held the position of treasurer in the City. That position is a political one, so why did Paul continue to see him as a brother if politics was forbidden in the fold? Therefore your doctrine kicking against political participation by Christians is man made and only aimed at the vainglorious pursuit of outward appearance of difference just to deceive the gullible lacking in deep knowledge of the scriptures.

*Making a global family of worshipers. Ephesians 4:3,Philippians 2:2
So you are saying all these breakaway groups are also PERFORMING the same task

If your organization were really making genuine efforts to ensure unity within its fold as these verses mandate, there wouldn't have been those schisms among you. Those breakway groups can't do those things because their view of them as heretic and unscriptural and their subsequent suppression and disfellowshiping for expressing such divergent views led to the schisms in the first instance. However, in the Orthodox and Pentecostals, divergent views are not suppressed but welcome for debate in Bible study sessions.
Well Apostle John have answered you! 1John 2:19

Well, Paul the Apostle has warned you here...1 Cor. 3:18

If you don't understand,i have explained how JWs came out from these Satan's RELIGIOUS system. Revelations 18:4
Jesus(after his ascension) allowed falsehood to remain within Christianity{Matthew 13:24-30} after the death of the Apostles Apostles,Apostates with the backing of the Roman government scrap true Christianity so that people from far and near only knew Pagan Catholic Church as Christians. Many started protesting and breaking away but they are also having dealings with politics so they failed to produce the FRUIT required until America declared FREEDOM of speech,expression and worship. The door finally opened for TRUE Christianity to start taking shape again!So all that you've heard about JWs reformation is the result of Jesus back to inspect His spiritual temple and cleanse it.Matthew 24:45,Luke 18:8
You must really be naive, gullible and simple minded to believe all these tales you hear from the 8 men in New York. If people were already breaking away from the Room Catholic Church, doesn't that suggest to you that there was already freedom of speech and worship in the lands where Roman Catholicism had spread to hence true Christianity (Whatever you mean by that) had already been restored? If their political involvements (which were scrptural as I already showed you above) made them fall short of the standards of your idea of true worship, doesn't that also mean that your organization too also fell far shorter of her own standards by ever declaring war time support for Adolf Hitler against the big business in UK and US...hence couldn't have been the true worship it claims to be? The earlier you retrieve your brain from these 8 mortal and sinful men like you, the better. The mere fact that, as you agree above, your organization could only thrive with under an atmosphere of freedom of speech and worship fought for and created by members of the American Epicospalian Church which your organization ironically terms apostate, is an indication that without the help of a wordly government you would have been non existent today. Your organization is the only religious group that rode on the back of a worldly government's friendliness to limelight yet it is the only one which demonizes earthly governments. What an interesting Irony! All other Christian groups had very challenging beginnings characterized by repression, clampdowns and imprisonment by hostile home governments. Same with the Apostles and Jesus Himself. Even the scriptures made it clear that genuine Christian groups must face such hostility from home governments at their founding stages. In fact the Apostles, Orthodox and Pentecostals took freedom of speech and expression to the lands they spread to by fighting the territorial governments with the power of the Holy Spirit. But your organization waited until freedom of speech had been fought for and established by unbelievers. Then it can't be God's organization.
That is why you hear of JWs changing so many things they used to do before,don't be obstinate about this because Jesus is still the same person,remember that is how He kept helping the first century Christians in readjusting their mindset. Remember TRUE Christians are HUMBLE so they will never think of what unbelievers will say whenever Jesus is teaching them to MAKE AMENDMENTS in their beliefs! John 6:61-69
Today TRUE Christianity is fully restored therefore whoever breaks away from what Jesus(the true vine) has established can never bear the FRUITS expected of Jesus' followers. John 15:4-6[/quote]The mere fact that your organization keeps changing its doctrines is the greatest evidence that it is not really of God and Jesus who promised to send the infallible and perfect (i.e. consistent) Holy Spirit as a guide, teacher and interpreter of the scriptures.

TATIME:
Go and preach to your neighbours that there is just ONE Jesus,So there shouldn't be different religious groups having contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings all in the name of ONE Jesus! 1Corinthians 1:10
If there is division amongst you,then that can never be Christianity but the worldly spirit influenced by none other than SATAN! 1Corinthians 12:25

Your organization too is a breakaway from another parent body whose teaching persons like Russell and Rutherford began to oppose from within and later pulled out to create The Bible Students group. So your organization is part and parcel of the different religious groups preaching contradictory doctrines.
The narrative that you are not part of the so called Christendom is pure fallacy. You group was not formed on its own as you would have us believe. So you are part and parcel of the system.
Moreover, there are been many breakaway groups from your organization now preaching doctrines which conflict with yours. Examples of such are:

The True Faith Jehovah's
Witnesses

Bible Fellowship Union

God's Kingdom Society

Christian Witnesses

The Lord's Witnesses

Phoenix Bible Students

Chicago Bible Students

Baltimore Bible Students

They all have active websites and mission offices on ground. They accuse your organization of Preaching heresy.
So all you wrote above is nonsense!

Janosky:
Lying Pharisee dey form Christian, continue your heresy against the truth of God's word & Jesus command to preach from house to house (Mk13:10. Matt10:14, Acts5:42. 20:20).

Lying Pharisee, how did Jesus preach to the Samaritan woman & converted her? John 4:1-42

How did Philip preach to the Ethiopian man & converted him? Acts 8:26-36.

keep posting all the fairy tale your gods of men have rubber stamped on your brain & removed your sense.
JWs are moving ever forward because our " labour is not in vain in connection with the lord."
1cor15:58

This is what Mark 13:10 says:

 But before the end comes, the gospel must be preached to all peoples.
It doesn't mention house to house. You are a fraud!

Matt 10:14 is a part of the instruction Jesus was giving on how to find a house in which to get accommodated and not a house to preach in. Read from the previous verses for the context in which that verse speaks. Stop picking verses in isolation.

Acts 5:42 is what I already trashed in my previous comment where I explained that such was in Jerusalem where the harvest had become few and that even before then the angel had specifically commanded them to go to the temple to preach. Why bring it up again without having countered my commentary on it with a superior explanation?

As for Acts 20:20...As usual you picked it in isolation hence your failure to see the context. Go back to verse 17 of that chapter and there you'll see that Paul was addressing only the church elders of the Church in Ephesus with what he said in verse 20. Church elders could not have been unbelievers whom he was evangelizing afresh. So he could afford to visit them at home. Moreover, recall that in those times church services were conducted in the houses of members as the temples in gentile lands would forbid such. So the visit to houses was clearly for the conducting of Church services in the homes of elders and never during evangelism targeted at unbelievers.

In John 4:1-42, the conversion of the Samaritan Woman happened by the Well of Jacob where Jesus decided to rest during a journey. Are you now saying that Joseph's well was located in the Samaritan Woman's house? If so then why does verses 7 and 15 record that the woman came all the way to the well from her house? See how you have been lying and shamelessly misquoting the scriptures?

For the story of the Ethiopian Eunuch as recorded in Acts 8:26 referenced by you, everything started and ended on the road of the journey. Philip didn't follow him to his house. Here is how the encounter started and ended as recorded:

36-37. As they traveled down the road, they came to a place where there was some water, and the official said, *Here is some water. What is to keep me from being baptized?*

38. The official ordered the carriage to stop, and both Philip and the official went down into the water, and Philip baptized him.

39. When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord took Philip away. The official did not see him again, but continued on his way, full of joy.

So how was that encounter a house to house preaching?

The 1 Corinthians 15:58 you referenced says as follows:

So then, my dear friends, stand firm and steady. Keep busy always in your work for the Lord, since you know that nothing you do in the Lord's service is ever useless.
Of what relevance is it to the issue of propriety of house to house preaching under contention? Do you really read the verses you quote?

The truth remains that you have been brainwashed and your brain looted by some eight men like you sitting in New York who successfully hoodwinked you into believing they are God. They discourage independent thinking among you their followers hence you people don't study deeply on your own but just wait for them to hand down their man made opinions to you. That explains why you so much pick verses in isolation rather than read the entire passage to know the background circumstances that led to the issues in those verses.
The earlier you free yourself from the mind control tactics of those 8 New Yorkers and become yourself using your brain the way God gave you, the better for you. Your brain is meant for you to use and not to be deposited with some 8 mortal men who are really not better than yourself in any way.

Janosky:
Fairy tale of a bigot.
"Jesus Christ is against house to house preaching".
If u had sense u should have known that one on one, face to face interaction is still the most effective means of human communication.
Lying Pharisee dey form Christian
More shame on you.

Heretic appologetics of an exposed Antichrist. If you were not a coconut head you would have realized that even your satanic organization advocates 100% scrptural basis for the validity of belief. But now that you have been bursted with scrptures, you have begun to advocate "sense". Where did your organization put human sense to when it was busy hammering on scrptural evidence as basis for validity?
Preaching is not an intimate discussion between two persons hence it is not about effective communication at all. It is more of an avenue to convince people not with words but with a demonstration of the power of God.
Hear what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 4:19-20

19. If the Lord is willing, however, I will come to you soon, and then I will find out for myself the power which these proud people have, and not just what they say.

20. For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of words but of power.

You can see from above that there were people who were busy disturbing the Corinthians with your organization's kind of "effective communication" but Paul admonished the Corinthians against such communication however effective and rather told them that the Kingdom of God is about power.
Moses was not an effective communicator but God chose him because the task before him had to do with the demonstration of God's power towards convincing King Pharaoh.
So your doctrine of effective communication has no place in the scriptures. Sorry!
. If it were about words, then every other religion has convincing stories and logic too. But none has the power of God as given to genuine Christians to heal and cast demons out. Before Jesus rose Lazarus from the dead, He had communicated and communicated yet the Pharisees never accepted his teachings because they had their own quite strong teachings too. But Lazarus' ressurrection broke their grip to their teachings. That is where the power of God comes and it must be displayed in the public and never in private houses. But the satanic organization which has not the Holy Ghost power covers up by going from house to house. If house to house is the most effective way, then why did Jesus never use it?
Meanwhile you have not answered the question as to why you choose one method and leave the other whereas the Apostles supposedly used the two going by your opinion.

TATIME:
Go out to preach and teach in your neighbourhood instead of all these arguments. For your information i as one of Jehovah's Witnesses just returned from TEACHING those who asked me to come back and enlighten them more about God's organization that you are arguing profusely against!
Many both old and young are responding favourably to JWs more than ever,so you sit there arguing blindly without IDENTIFYING God's people!

We started preaching and teaching before your organization was ever conceived. In fact your organization is actually a breakaway from another group contrary to the impression you try to create that it was formed as an original group. Someone already explained it into details here and I didn't see you proving him wrong.
Our preaching is targeted at those who have never heard the gospel hence our focus is on territories yet to be reached due to ban on Christian evangelism by their government. We are not like you who fear to thread such places but rush there after others have opened the place up and then start telling them that those who opened up the place were apostates. When we break those barriers we don't see ourselves to have done anything hence we don't boast about it because we know our salvation is by God's grace and never on account of the works we do. When the Orthodox Church missionaries risked their lives against territorial powers to come to Africa and established schools and other welfarist programmes, your satanic and manipulative organization was nowhere to be found. But once Africa became open and free, you suddenly appeared to start preaching your heresy and telling people that those who first came to liberate them at their own risks and sacrifice were apostates. Shame onto you!

aremso:
Am taking permission from all the people in the house so pardon me to still comment on the cjn saga. I just wish a military guy one day will get crazy and take over! The legislature you mentioned just tell me single thing they have done that affects common man, the judiciary are even the worst , am not a lawyer but was told ignorance is no excuse in the law court and the custodian of the law was saying he forgot to do the right thing! Can I go to a supermarket now and mistakenly take the key of the place and then tell the court that I forgot or it was a mistake. And when it their turn they will say due process must be followed but easily sentence a common man that committed an offense. The executive too is using illegality to begat illegality. Are we
cursed in this country that we can't think rightly again. Is only God that can save us in this country.

Well, as far as this thread is concerned I might be indifferent to the political issues especially on the partisan perspective. But I completely disagree with you on the bolded. Experience, they say, is the best teacher. We started this country as a world class model democracy with a genuinely we the people constiution that provided for all we now ask for through our agitation for restructuring. It was fair and equitable to everyone. But unfortunately just because the politicians were having some normally expected misunderstanding among themselves and were already even trying to shift grounds for one another towards an amicable resolution of it all, some misguided military guys broke in and accusing the politicians of corruption and misgovernance, sacked the democratically elected government, shed so much innocent blood alongside in the name of cleaning the mess, took over the reigns of power illegally, mutilated that beautiful constiution that was already working perfectly, subverted it and caused a constitutional crisis which led to an avoidable war that further took more innocent lives in million folds.
Soldiers are meant to be either in their barracks or at the borders. They have no business in politics because they are not trained with the tolerance, patience, broad-mindedness, compromise, etc which form the hallmarks of political leadership. If military intervention is truly an option, then why couldn't our 35 or so cummulative years of military rule turn Nigeria to a utopia?
If those young idealistic majors had remained in their barracks, the politicians of those days would have eventually resolved themselves and reached a harmonious accord on the way forward. After all that is what happens today hence the saying that there are no permanent friends or enemies but permanent interests. If, when Obasanjo and Atiku were daggers drawn in 2006-2007, some military guys have attacked and killed them for misgovernance, who by now would have believed they would be in the same political camp supporting and endorsing each other by now? Given the impact which the Obasanjo-Atiku administration had creating awareness for stocks investment, a military intervention against their regime would have done great disservice to NSE thus we perhaps wouldn't have been here now. Military rule contributed largely to the very slow rate at which the stock market developed from Independence to 1999. This is not to say I am an overall fan of the Obasanjo-Atiku administration anyway.
The greatest and most advanced democracies we have today were never punctuated by military intervention.
Soldiers are like security men employed by a household. So because a husband and wife (the natural and rightful leaders of the home are having differences) their children begin to wish that the security man kills them both or chases them away from the house and takes over parental position over them?

TATIME:
I'm trying my best Sir, perhaps you mean i should try harder in making the best use of my brains. But ordinarily i'm using it to the best of my intellect Sir!
It's like these beautiful Queens are nursing the same idea that our God is coming to exterminate FAITHLESS people! Revelations 21:8

And the same organization of yours accuses other denominations of employing hell scaring tactics in preaching. Care to explain how the bolded doesn't amount to you and your organization using scare tactics in preaching? Hypocrites!

TATIME:
I'm trying my best Sir, perhaps you mean i should try harder in making the best use of my brains. But ordinarily i'm using it to the best of my intellect Sir!
It's like these beautiful Queens are nursing the same idea that our God is coming to exterminate FAITHLESS people! Revelations 21:8

See your shameless selves?

TATIME:
instead of reading and meditating on what is written,your presumptuous attitude is blocking the sense in you!
This write-up is simply saying "all that the Nazi government is killing people for is unwarranted since it's part of God's plan to exterminate wrongdoers"
So instead of acting as God's executioner, Jehovah's Witnesses are telling Hitler to allow God's kingdom to do the needy! For your information that's what we're still preaching till today! Daniel 2:44
God's executioner(Jesus Christ) will lead the heavenly armies down here to kill all those who are not ready to live by God's standards. Revelations 19:12-21 So if any government now decides to start killing some innocent people for their faith we'll simply tell such government that we're also in FULL support of justice but our hope lies on God's time NOT human rulers!
Please use your brains to think!

It seems you have eye sight problem. A part in the letter clearly states that the Watchtower Society is totally in support of Adolf Hitler's war against Big business in London and New York since these big business are the sources of oppression which people suffer. Another line says that the ideals which Adolf Hitler was pursuing during that time of war resonates perfectly with the Watchtower's mission and vision.
Please go and see an optician or an opthalmologist first, then reread the translation before you comment on it.
But wait o, isn't it the same translation you just denied its credibility that you are now trying to explain to your defense? Are you sure you are normal at all?

Janosky:
JW magazines /publications are with out charge.
I know say u fit twist am as u want.

To make contribution or not ,it's
the house holder's decision & discretion

The JW worldwide preaching & Bible teaching/ study program is absolutely free of charge .


"And remain in the same house ,eating and drinking what they provide, for the labourer deserves his wages. Do not go from house to house"Luke 10:7
https://biblehub.com/luke/10-7.htm

"Similar instructions were given in the case of the sending out the twelve as missionaries.
One house & family were to be selected as the center of their work"
One house was their base to reach every one from house to house.

"Whoever refuses to receive you or even listen to your Messages, as you leave that house or town" Matt10:14.

"Day after day... from house to house they never stopped teaching & proclaiming the good news"
Acts 5:42.
Lying Pharisee, go look for another lie u go blow for here.

JW publications might have no price tag just like the publications of every other Christian groups don't. But while all the other Christian groups share their publications freely to the public and walk away without ever asking any member of the public to replenish their purses as a way of encouraging or supporting God's work; the JWs would first introduce the magazine, and then proceed to ask the listener to encourage the organization with financial contributions ostensibly for the encouragement of the organization in propagating God's word.
Now, which between these two is more tantamount to giving out their publications at a charge? Be honest!

If making contributions is the house holder's discretion as you yourself acknowledge, then why does your organization demand for it and even when the person hesitates, you squeeze it out of him by saying 'It doesn't matter however little you can afford"? If he could afford a little, do you think he would have hesitated in the first instance? And after cajoling him with how your organization spends money and therefore deserves assistance, you collect such from him and you term it free will donation?
His will becomes caged at that moment you press him further by saying "Our organization needs to be encouraged...." No normal human being would out of his genuine free will contribute to an organization whose mission and belief structure he is yet to fully understand let alone agree with.
If we agree that some Pentecostal Churches' pastors methods of "encouraging" their members (who are even believers) are tantamount to cajoling them (thus ssuppressing and even eliminating their free will) regardless of the fact that they don't actually use physical force to get them to make these offerings, why then should we expnerate JWs who use the same cajoling methods on even unbelievers in the streets? These Pentecostal pastors equally tell their members that the Church needs to be built and evangelistic missions overseas need to be encouraged. So how exactly are JWs more innocent than them for asking for donations towards encouraging the organization's mission?
Even a roadside beggar only stretches forth his hands and prays. He never picks on persons specifically and tells them "Please however small you can afford to spare me, it doesn't matter". He banks on the absolute free will of his potential givers. So even beggars are more deserving of honour that you people.

Your referencing of Acts 5:42 is still after your usual fashion of picking a verse and trying to interprete it in isolation of the rest of the scriptures.
If you read the entire chapter you would realize that the Apostles had been arrested from the public arena where they were preaching, and then jailed. An angel of the Lord released them and asked them to go back to the temple and preach from there. They only went to the homes of those who had already believed, hence they preached and taught. Teaching is meant for members to grow spiritually while preaching is meant to win unbelievers. But you people go to unbelievers houses to teach them. That is where you are wrong. Secondly, given the spread of the news of the death and actual resurrection of Jesus, a lot of Jews had become potential and actual believers hence the harvest was no longer huge within Jerusalem where it all happened thus the Apostles could afford house to house movement in there. But in gentile lands where unbelievers abounded with some never having heard the gospel, house to house would make a meaningless impact. But your organization regards non members as spiritual gentles among whom the harvest is supposedly bountifully ripe yet you use house to house approach on them. That contradicts even commonsense.
Let us even assume, without conceding that the Apostles used house to house in gentile lands in addition to the mass public approach. Then the question becomes; why then does your organization use only house to house method as against the Apostles who used both? Why do you people choose one and leave the other, yet you boast of following the Bible completely and correctly?

TATIME:
In one word you're saying your ONLY source of bad reports against Jehovah's Witnesses is NOT reliable! So who is the one truly suffering from inconsistency? Is it i who posted information from your own WITNESS whom you wanted to call out against Jehovah's Witnesses or you who simultaneously condemned your own witness claiming it's UNRELIABLE?
You named Google and i quote the same Google only for you to tell the whole world that your source of evidence against Jehovah's Witnesses is WORTHLESS!
You're 100% correct,i'm the one not using my brains Sir!

You are like a thief whom a passersby sees breaking into a house at night, and on realizing the passersby saw him, he quickly turns to the passeby and says "I saw you o!". That is the manupulative nature of members and even the leadership of your dubious organization. Scroll back up the thread and read again to see where you were the first to quote Wikipedia in response to my threat to expose your falsehoods. I only threatened to do so without having done so let alone quote any source as reference. But in your guilty conscience you tried to preempt me by posting a screenshot of a Wikipedia page, then I too responded by screenshooting three pages from that same Wikipedia of yours. Then in your next response, you denounced Wikipedia as an incredible source. This prompted me to ask you why then you initially referenced it when you knew it wasn't reliable in translation.
See your shameless lying self? This is the same way you have twisted the Bible and smuggled in lies just to suit your carnal lifestyles. Shame on you manipulatators per excellence.

Our political investors should take it easy o.

TATIME:
Abeg Sir wetin dem write put inside this one nah? Shebi you see am sey nah everybody fit read wetin Google talk?
Shey na like this your brain shikini reach?

The same Wikipedia which you trusted so much to screenshot and paste its Google search about your group also translated the original text of that declaration to English as you can see. So why are you now trying to insinuate that Wikipedia translation is inaccurate? When it favours you, you rely on information from Wikipedia as authentic. But when information from the same Wikepedia doesn't favour you, you doubt its authenticity and accuracy. Can't you see you are the one suffering from cognitive dissonance (sour grapes syndrome) and shikini brain?

Janosky:
Hogwash & Trash of a bigot. No truth in your post.
The full content of that Wikipedia post shows that u peddling falsehood. I know the facts.

That is the content of The Declaration of Facts. Every other thing Wikipedia added to it are their own commentaries on the contents. So there is really nothing more as you would have us believe. I am still coming up with the original text of the Watchtower publication that asserts your founder as a deity deserving of being worshipped by the organization's members.
I am here to disabuse the minds of the innocent and unsuspecting but gullible potential converts of yours. I want them to see for themselves that your organization is the most rotten among all the Christian and quasi-christian groups.

Janosky:
Deadly falsehood lying Pharisee misquoting scriptures,
the accommodation & feeding "donated voluntarily to them (disciples) on their preaching assignments ,is the replica of today's voluntary donations for Watchtower publications.

In Jesus day nobody was forced to welcome any disciple into his home. Rather the house owner volunteers his resources for the success of the preaching assignment .

Jesus meant that his disciples should use one house ("not moving from house to house" accommodation base, to preach to everyone in that town they visited.

Where the people wey u & your well choreographed TV drama crew done heal?

Lying, bigoted clown twisting God's word !

Even in the face of unequivocal biblical references, this Antichrist still finds a way to deny and twist it to suit his preconceived doctrine.

The first bolded is never the replica of "voluntary" donations to Watchtower publications. It is a total deviation from the Watchtower's approach.
Jesus did not direct them to solicit for accommodation and food from any house they entered. He only asked them to just greet, then wait for the occupants of that house to make the offer spontaneously entirely out of their own volition. But in clear violation of this, your members cleverly solicit for assistance by telling their listeners how their society uses money to finance those magazines hence deserving of assistance from the world. Can't you see the difference still? Why not talk to people and then simply walk away? If your message is really impactful they will on their own discretion spontaneously call you back and offer you assistance. It is this spontaneity that Jesus implied. He never asked the disciples to make the demand first lest they look like beggers in the eyes of the world. Or do you now want to deny again here that you actually solicit financial assistance after introducing your magazines to whoever cares to listen? Do you ever just simply walk away after talking without making the demand for assistance?

In Jesus' days, He and His disciples never directly or indirectly asked for financial assistance from non members of their group. Can you show me a passage where they ever did so after preaching to multitudes? People like Mary Magdalene and others who offered them food and drinks did so 100% spontaneously without any prior demand from the group in the first instance. Moreover the likes of Mary could pass for members of the group too as they had come to believe in Jesus and accepted his Messiahship fully, thus they were not unbelievers donating to Jesus' ministry.

For second bolded; it is clear you lack synthesis. Does any normal person find it sensible to keep relocating from house to house to enjoy accommodation in different houses on getting to a new town? So why should Jesus even find it necessary to advise them against doing so if that is the meaning of that verse as you would have us believe?
Or you think it is easy to find a person willing to accommodate them let alone finding many more to enable them relocate everyday? The fact that Jesus asked them to eat and drink whatever they are offered is a clear indication that the command against house to house movement had to do with with preaching mode and not accommodation seeking mode. If they were to preach from house to house, then would it really be possible for them to eat/drink whatever they are offered in every house they enter as Jesus directed?
If your organization were not of the habit of picking and interpreting verses in isolation, it would have realized that Jesus' earlier observation that "The harvest is ripe, but the labourers are few" is the more reason why evangelism should rather take the form of gathering people in a public place for mass preaching like Himself did, rather than the house to house approach which does not catch a large chunk of the abundantly ripe harvest for which Jesus felt so concerned and worried.
I understand your envy. Even Jesus' miracles were denounced by Pharisees as choreographed drama. So how much less should be expected from the modern day Pharisees? If they are dramas, then what stops the so called God's organization from performing the genuine ones to prove that they are truly the only ones approved? Having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof.

TATIME:
[font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font] Please Sir try to cover your face! Google has unraveled your blackmailing.

Here is the original text of your letter of "Declaration of facts".