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If you are not a taxpayer to Nigeria, the money spent by Nigeria does not belong to you. Even if you are a taxpayer, the claim as partly owner of any given government is strictly a lip service reserved for beer parlor discussion.

If everybody who pays tax to Nigerian government should be involved in the decision making bordering on government parastatals, there should be no need for elections and government as we know it.

Parastatal is a company or agency owned or controlled wholly or partly by the government

arinzeeze:
@Dede1, you are a liar

How am I a liar? I guess there were no network of roads within the axis in question until Ohakim became the governor of Imo State. If you continue to twist the truth out of form for cheap political glance, you could create political issues for Ohakim.

andrewnwa:
The pics below is just 2 of many infrastructural development by his administration,

The roads in your post were the handiwork of Senator Ifeanyi Arurume. I travelled on the network of roads in 2004 from Umuahia to Amaraku/Anara.

Sometimes elections tend to disappoint individuals loaded with the by-products of electioneering machinations. I had really wanted Ohakim to vacate the seat of government in Owerri, Imo State but political dynamism on the ground would not allow such individual imagination to come through. Granted Ohakim has actually done a touchup job during his first term as governor of Imo State, he has left many citizens of the state with antagonistic feelings towards his irascible demeanor.

There is a strong feeling toward upholding the principles of zoning in Imo State regardless the mottos of contending political parties. It is the benevolence of this unforeseen political dynamism that had played into the waiting hands of Ohakim. If human minds could be read as plain text, the pledge of Arurume to serve as one-term governor could have been considered by the citizens of Imo State especially the Owerri zone which may decide the next governor.

Ohakim does not have the constitutional mandate to seek third term which preserves the zoning doctrine whereby Owerri zone shall produce the next governor in 2015.

It was good in short term but very bad in long term.

@OP

Some peeps are ignorant to the skull. The crude oil deposits allegedly found in the territorial waters of Nigeria do not belong to Yoruba or any state in Yoruba land. Even when crude oil is discovered onshore within Yoruba enclave, the resource belongs to Nigeria and the state where oil deposit is struck can be mentioned for sake of remuneration.

However, if Nigeria will see disintegration in future such alleged crude oil desposit could belong to the Republic of Oduduwa.

Ignorance is a major factor that guarantees a war.

banku:
My brother, who fight face to face battle, generals?

Do not distort facts, there are two Iluyomade in the Army, one was right there at Ore. Yoruba did not have the luxury of time to call on none Yoruba soldiers for Ore battle, ok.

I have to stick to my own advise and bow out of this conversation.

We are all brothers.

I have no need to distort facts. You are right as my database came up with two Iluyomades in the army. I guess the one that fought in Ore was Captain Iluyomade with 4th Brigade of 2nd Division under Murtala Muhammed. Yet, he was a memeber of military police unit.

Again, there was no “Yoruba Army” that fought in Ore as to warrant the crap said about Afonja in respect to Ore saga. The 2nd Division of Nigeria was mostly populated by the Yoruba peeps that had also vehemently deduced they were in awkward position to muster a fight against the northern soldiers in Yoruba land.

Yet both 3MCDO and 2nd Division of Nigerian army were filled to the unit's strenght by Yoruba and southern Nigerian minority ethnic groups. You can not simply eat your cake and have it.

SEFAGO:
^

, where is my chick??


Anyways tbh, the topic actually makes sense- Nigerian history is rarely taught intensively in Nigeria. I think there is a sort of political correctness in the curriculum which prevents the addition of very sensitive topics. However, I feel secondary school students should be mature enough to understand the realities of living in a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural society as Nigeria and the issues that can arise when one group begins to think they are superior to another.

The Biafran War aside, there are still a lot of things that need to be taught in Nigeria. If I remember correctly, a significant part of the curriculum was dedicated to the Colonial Era- especially knowing and understand the british policy in Nigeria and the names of the Colonial rulers such as Lugard. Inbetween cramming crap like Mungo Park and the name of the wife of Lord Lugard- Flora Shaw- I always wondered if my time wouldn't have been better spent learning about Precolonial Nigeria.

Nigerian History Can be divided into five parts:
Precolonial Nigeria (Where the Noble and Organized Yoruba lived in well kept towns, the Savage and Kingless Igbos lived in mudhuts and dispersed villages and the Nomadic and Cattle-rearing Hausa-Fulani roamed the savannah, with some other minority groups which are basically visitors in Nigeria- Urhobo, Nupe, Ijaw et al. Currently the comprise what is now known as Modern Day Nigeria

Colonial Nigeria: England was bleeping everywhere up in the world and had just finished bleeping up india so they thought: Why not just bleep up some places in Africa too. Lets put all these people with different cultures and identities together to form one country. They would all get along being of the same color. All black people get along quite well you know.


Post-Colonial Nigeria: The British started to pack their bags out of tropical west africa. After being thoroughly walloped in World War II they figured that their foreign operations were no profitable and that managing an empire from such a small island might not be really a good idea. Nigerians who had been fighting for independence thought they had won. More rational people knew what really happened.

Nigeria began her unsteady journey to nationhood. A couple of coups happened, there was some s/h/i/t going down based on ignorance and primitive group-think and ethnocentrism. Everything culminated in a Civil War in Nigeria. S/h/i/t hit the fan and Nigeria got her first headline news.

The civil war put us on the map to international stardom and notoriety.

Civil War Era: An era of propaganda, pointing and blaming people. I dont know too much about this three years. The problem is that the story changes depending on who is telling you. But there are a 1000 threads on NL about this.

Naija Era: Nigeria begins to find her identity. We might not be as tech savvy as the japanese but we have learned to adapt to our environment. We became known for 419 (Till now most people conder me an awesome letter writer based on my nationality, and lots of oyibo people ask me to write letters for them to their friends because they have seen so many good samples from their emails), Lasgidi, Lots of oil and wealth all wasted. First Country to be ruled by a walking-dead president.

I would like to say something though about the effect of the absence of history as a core part of the Nigerian educational curriculum: Recycled Leadership. Whats so unique about Nigeria in our history compared to other countries is our ability to recycle leaders. Every new election rumors of IBB running for presidential elections emerge. People are currently contemplating another recycled leader Buhari. Obasanjo F/u/c/k/ed up several years ago in the military and had the opportunity to repeat his f/u/c/k up again.

So while other African countries have life long dictatorial leaders like Sese Seko these are largely absent in Nigeria. In Nigeria we repackage the past and present it in as something new in the future. The fact is that our collective memory is so short that we cannot bad leadership.

How does this tie with your question: Well for one Nigeria has altered democracy to fit her own environment and culture of the people. Its no secret that Africans rarely kept historical accounts of their past until the incursion from Europeans (Before I get flamed, trust me if we argue on this I will win hands down). So its not surprising that even now in the 21st century we still repeat that mistakes and practise a democracy that is turns a blind eye to the past.

PS: I think you are honestly looking for trouble.

This loudmouthed punk shall never cease to impress his or her silly self even with little airhead. The above edited post by SEFAGO is typical example of a job by an interloper.

banku:
My advise at this point is to move on as this is a very sensitive subject for Igbo. Yoruba are in no win situation here. If you give a graphic picture of what happened at Ore, of course Obasanjo that took over from Adekule's "conquer" made Yoruba look brutal.

If what this guy wants is individual names of face to face commanders, Iluyomade is from Ondo Town. It was pure Yoruba affair. He was part of "Ija Ore le ku" which has now gone into Yoruba history.  I do not know what the name Iluyomade will do for asking us for individuals.  But I can understand if Igbo ignore it in their history where Yoruba is portrayed as cowards. It was too painful for them.

Banjo was STOPPED period.

Remeber that there are many more Igbo. So ignore the local champions and take those Igbo into consideration.

The lesson here is: do not provoke Yoruba. Abacha did and he gave us OPC. If not for the provocation, what is a respectable medical doctor at that age when he could live and enjoy, come out to form OPC? There is no need to drive one another to the wall.

Let us respect one anther, please. Some Yoruba use Banjo and the daughter of Oba Adele of Lagos that followed her husband home to Biafra as reasons Igbo will never appreciate Yoruba. They even throw in Soyinka that almost died for their cause. Can you imagine, these boys not grounded in the history of Nigeria asking Soyinka to apoligise for Yoruba?

What provocation is greater than the murder of the son of the soil in Yoruba capital city and non-Yoruba commander who sat tight in another Yoruba city issuing orders to soldiers to kill agbakoyas or imprison a Yoruba dissenter? I guess you remembered what killed an Oba in Ogbomosho. As for Iluyomade, he was very green in 1967 and never saw battle in Ore as he was not a member of 8th battalion, 8th brigade, 6th brigade and 4th brigade of Nigerian army. In 1969/70, Iluyomade was a mere Captain who severed as a brigade commander to two brigades with 3MCDO.

There were few Yoruba peeps who truly believed in the Biafran course and the need for people to chart their destiny. I shall not mention names for now.

@OP

It will be a case of contagious social malady to compare Japan and Nigeria except when mentioned as members of the idiotic organization called United Nations.

T9ksy:
Of course, Ore wasn't Banjo's destination and i don't believe anyone thinks such. I wonder where you got the notion from, however, Banjo was stopped at Ore on his way to Lagos- his expressed destination as ordered by the Biafran Army H/Q.
It was a fierce battle hence (as some1 already stated earlier) the yorubas say "Ija ore! Ole ku"!!

I really do not know what turned you into a revisionist. You singlehandedly elevated the propaganda of Lagos bombing by the Biafran air force to a position of bold fact. Now, you are trying very hard to make yourself believable on Banjo and Ore saga. If Banjo was stopped at Ore, why would a competent subordinate question his rationale of giving the order to halt the advance to Lagos?

If you claim “it was a fierce battle hence (as some1 already stated earlier) the yorubas say “Ija ore! Ole ku” I would appreciate you mention the Yoruba army or even the unit that evicted 101 Division from Ore and Midwest region.

seanet02:
Katsumoto is the Best. dede go and sit down to learn from your better whom is KATSUMOTO!!!!

I guess you are not as gullible as this post indicated. If you are by any means politically myopic, I advise you seek the help of a political optometrist. What my pal posted as excerpt from Nelson Ottah’s book is ridiculously childish and lacking in bold facts. I have and read the same book by Nelson Ottah from its pages katsumoto lifted the junk posted on this forum. I can tell you unequivocally Nelson Ottah is not and shall not be a quotable source among intellectuals from Biafra. Ottah’s books as well as the posted materials are sanctimonious drivels that do not worth more than a penny.

It is a known fact within the military parlance field commanders should not deliberate on the state of affairs of the country especially in procurement of armaments and ability of the country to prosecute a war. Banjo, as a field commander, was given express orders to occupy Lagos and secure its vicinity. One has to be an ignoramus fool to translate Ore for Lagos as Banjo’s destination as expressed in the order from Biafran Army Headquarters in 1967.

Banjo could not give an iota of reason why he stopped the advance of BEF at Ore. It must be recalled that a subordinate questioned the authority of Banjo on the stoppage of advance of BEF at Ore and Banjo had the effrontery to throw the brigade commander into the guardroom.

@OP

To locate individual philosophical and political indentation among the current so-called political leaders in Nigeria is very hard or absolutely none in existence. Since after the Nigeria/Biafra civil war, the polity of Nigeria has been dominated by the need to dip into the polity of crude oil money and propagation of ethnic differences.

Azikiwe had followers across the political landscape of Nigeria. It is unfortunate that such followership has been decimated by slew of ethic jingoism. Ojukwu should not be weighed on political scale as do Awolowo, Azikiwe or Bello because he was a soldier. I personally do not see Ojukwu as a political leader. The political leaders do not groom their replacements literally. However granted an atmosphere with all things being equal, a leader’s socio-political school of thought and personal demeanor shall engender such anticipated followership.    

I must reiterate it is a waste of time to deliberate on any form of political followership in country that had experienced protracted civil war which magnified the essence of tribal differences in any phase of human endeavor such as Nigeria.

@OP

I think there are Republic of Niger and Federal Republic of Nigeria. The poster needs to clarify further about the country in question.

As for the so-called Christian participation in politics and being polluted, it is a known fact that any African who claimed to be a Christian is spiritually polluted already without dabbling into politics.

[quote author=bk.babe97y]So, now am I to believe that sickos like EzeUche, Dede1 and OnlyLies only exist on the web?[/quote]I guess Simon Kolawole and you are bloody fools and psychotic heads who dwell on the web. What is positive about Nigeria that worth writing home about? The newspaper named “Thisday” is regrettable piece of junk and one should not bother how it came about since the editor is delusional airhead named Simon Kolawole.

From death traps called roads, mechanic thatch houses with tarred roads called airports, container junkyards called seaports, lack of electricity, inadequate clean drinking water to sectarian insanity, Nigeria is epitome of negativity.

Those who still think Nigeria is worth any form of recommendation are people who have not being able to travel to kumba in Cameroon.

@OP

This is a serious politics not a about a woman’s poor fantasy of her phantom beautiful anatomy.

KnowAll:
It is high time Yoruba's get off this regional politics and support CPC for the Presidency,we cannot be playing a divisive politics in 2011. ACN are a good bunch but I doubt WETHER they can win the election. In the absence of this stern reality Yoruba' s should THROW their weight and vote en-bloc for CPC.

The subject called history was not created for the fools. It will be a repeat of history when in 1999 presidential election the south west block vote was rendered inconsequential. The zone was lucky the son of the soil was eventually elected president. This time around, it will attract steep political consequences for the zone's political misstaps.

[quote author=bk.babe97y link=topic=627752.msg7953484#msg7953484 date=1300696122]Dude, all jokes aside, Ibos are fucxking tribalists--- probably worse than their Northern brethren. Of course, if I generalize, that dont mean I'm saying "every" Ibo on earth( it would be like saying every American runs around with a gun), but the truth is reading comments as the elections come up has made me see yall in a even more detail; and the image in my mind aint that pretty.[/quote]I guess it takes one animal to know another. By the way, who gives a ratasre about what a jackass such as you think about Ndigbo?

The Tinubu could not have been more correct with the statement directed to lack of visible projects in Abia State that was allegedly credited to him. However, Tinubu should have been more politically prudent with his choice of words than usual loudmouthed traits known for the people of his stock.

More than half of the visible projects in Lagos State were tenants of federal government. He should have seized such an opportunity to level unprecedented indictment on federal government led by PDP and Goodluck Jonathan seemingly supported by the Abia State electorate for abject negligence of Abia State economically or otherwise.

[quote author=bk.babe97y link=topic=631005.msg7981305#msg7981305 date=1301018464]The more I read about Nigeria the more I realize that it is, really, a hopeless case. The people are too gullible and I believe it is as a result of a lack of education. Not only are most her people illiterate, they are also socially dysfunctional. As my girlfriend said today (after reading a book on the Niger-Delta she's bringing for me later on) "Nigeria is just a 21st century version of the Wild West of old. . . . "; a vast country, unruly in every sense of the word. A country so corrupt that even the devil might achieve saint hood if his sins were compared to that of its politicians. The paragraph below had my mouth agape: it could easily be what is happening in Nigeria right now---:


"At this juncture, it is necessary to affirm that Abacha was no mere replica of Babangida as Soyinka claimed. He was clearly a more insensitive and more brutal dictator. During the confusing era of the transition to democracy, Nigerian officialdom weaved a great deal of elaborate and digressive rhetoric around the more gullible strata of the Nigerian populace and also the international community. In many instances, this corrupting verbiage deluded many Nigerians and derailed quite a number of genuine initiatives on the part of civil society geared towards the consolidation of the processes of democratization. It was sometimes hard to perceive the Abacha regime for precisely what it was; an inhuman authoritarian junta bent on the discredited and anachronistic quest of hanging on to power for its own sake."

http://www.hollerafrica.com/showArticle.php?catId=1&artId=161



Nigerians, the time is NOW!!! Rid your country of the corrupt! This is not the time to vote based on tribal or ethno-religious sentiments. There is only one way to vote in your coming elections: WHICH OF THE 3 CANDIDATES COULD YOU VOUCH FOR TO FIGHT CORRUPTION WITH ALL HIS MIGHT; WITHOUT FEAR OF THE CRIMINALS come POLITICIANS EXTORTING YOUR COUNTRY TODAY?

The choice is yours. Do whats right![/quote]The paragraph in bold is an arrant nonsense. I can resourcefully deduce the writer did not comprehend the meaning of words such “Education and Illiterate”.

Sometimes, I am baffled by the postulations of EzeUche on this forum. From the natural gas abundance in south west Nigeria to the Enugu and Anambra as the only crime-free states in Igbo land, the Igbo son seems to hit the balls to the left fields.

Even the link provided by one of his disciples clearly stated there is no natural gas in Ondo State. Natural gas is associated with Crude oil and SW region is completely blank on both resources especially when viewing onshore production.

The report of citing of LNG facility along Ondo/Ogun shore lines does not mean there is a cubic feet of natural gas in such vicinity. The localization process is dictated by Nigeria’s silly politics. It should be likened to the infamous citing of Crude Oil refinery in Kaduna where there is no drop of crude oil within 500 miles of the city. The alleged LNG facility will in future take the case of Lagos as being developed by the Odua Empire or at best, Awolowo.  I am not sure if Ondo State has onshore crude oil wells.

Buhari is a shameless product of groundswell socio-political nepotism.

@OP


Why Africans in general and Nigerians in particular always show acts that were manifested by ill form of education. Cell phones and cameras could be banned in polling station for good reasons not only in Nigeria but in developed countries.

These devices should be allowed in the hands of designated officials conducting the election to avoid the menace of dubious individuals who have every intention to incite chaos and propagate insidious rumors that will truncate the intended transparency.

Granted the technology is here for our usage, we must strive to use it with guarded intentions in order to produce desired results.

jason123:
You are very biased and ethnically blind to typed what you typed above. You rightly said everyone supported GEJ. Now, have you asked why did stopped It is simple because GEJ has disappointed them. The moment he started bagging Ciroma and romancing with IBB, he lost all the respect he ever had! When the North was on his neck, it was the SW that stopped them only for him to start romancing with the people that plagued this Nation, all in the name of politics. He has disappointed, not only himself but all Nigerians except the TRIBALISTs. You and all that will vote for him are voted purely based on tribal and regional affiliation not on what he can do for Nigerians. SMH at your hypocritical, tribalistic, ethnocentric and bigoted comment.[size=5pt] Shebi you like grammar [/size]

I shall not vote for GEJ based on the principles he flouted section 7-2C of the PDP constitution. I remembered when the same people who now seemed to be against GEJ supported him because he scorned zoning.

Recently, my observation shows GEJ has not changed but the only difference in the polity is the emergence of two vice presidential candidates of CPC and ACN from SW of Nigeria.

You can baptize my observation in any manner that fancies your opinion.