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SmooshCHN:
Thank you for saying nothing after claiming the doctors misdiagnosed him. I will try to take you serious. Cos you agreed with Iggy's statement twisted it and managed to land it on KD after all I wrote there about his injury and his doctors clearing him. Perhaps the pressure got KD to rupture his achilles? Or it was the so-called misdiagnosis which only you is/was seeing? Since you didn't address that part.

Explain that flip side for us.

I said these are possibilities based on the fact KD got injured after they cleared him.

Misdiagnosis of KD's injury is a possibility.

SmooshCHN:
Prove this uncle without using possibilities or probably. You could be good to go 2 weeks after a calf strain. You can never be good to go in 3 months if you fully rupture your achilles. Don't be too confident about things you don't know.

He was not misdiagnosed and would have been good to go if it was a grade 1 or grade 11 calf strain.

His doctors will not clear him and if KD wanted to still play, they'll let him know of the consequences if he was to return too soon. KD will not play if a career ending injury could arise from not healing properly from his calf strain going into free agency.

Jump off the fence and just think brother.

See you shouting he was not misdiagnosed like you or they are omniscient. The best a doctor can say is they did the best they could based on the knowledge available to them and the equipment they had.

Anything else is to play God.

Doctors can misdiagnose my friend.

SmooshCHN:
Spot on about Iggy's case. Every team does that. On KD, I'd only agree to say they rushed him because they know, especially KD's team and the Warriors team that they were taking a risk with letting KD play. The circumstances at that time wasn't helping matters. Everybody was injured. On a normal day, they wouldn't have cleared him to play but it's the finals and they cleared him after saying he has to be 100% first. Everyone here takes the blame IMO including Bob Myers as well as the media who were saying KD has to play. Would they do this again? No!! But every player would pull the Kawhi move which is good for the players. Trust has to go both ways and KD wanted to play through the injury as he said on his IG. Bad look on the medical staff if they assured everyone that there wouldn't have been any complications but I'm 100% they did inform everyone on the team of the complications. It's the most basic thing athletic trainers and medical staffs know. They calf strain takes 3-6weeks. KD took 32 days off which has been enough for many NBA players. In his case, it wasn't. Would they have known he would rupture his achilles? No!! No objective scan would tell them and they're not God. They took a risk and they paid dearly for it. If the Warriors are now suddenly classless, that's the media's problem since they want to choose when to call say KD must and must not play. Didn't Curry play through one injury in 2016 after the knee sprain vs Houston? Want he the hero after returning in the Portland game? The media cannot come and play two face here. If he sprained his ankle that game, they'll say it was connected to his knee. He was later scheduled to have surgery after that finals but it didn't matter to the media because he played well in the Portland series. Iggy was ruled out with his back issue, Bogut was out too and those guys weren't forced to play. It's a big issue because it happened to KD in the finals which Warriors ended up losing. Isaiah Thomas case with the Celtics is where the media can pull this two face.

Klay's situation was no one's fault. Almighty LeBron would go down injured if he landed with toes pointed out and knees in like Klay did. Danny Green made sure he gave him no chance to score.

Same thing I said. Same thing Iggy said. And yes, it's not limited to the Warriors. There is pressure on players to tough it out and play no matter what. The flip side of such pressures and risks is what happend to KD.

When you go the Kawhi route and damn that expectation and pressure to protect yourself as a player, you risk everything.

SIRcumalot:
What sort of pressure would make KD's own personal doctor act against his employer own interest ?
Durant own doctor cleared him to play that pretty much mean he was good to go.

If KD is determined to play(again because of the pressures he feels) then that is a possibility.

But we know now he wasn't good to go.

Eruditor:
Sadly, you are still looking for different ways to make the same wrong statement.

Nobody management or medical team put any pressure on Iggy and by extension KD. So your metaphor can safely be thrown out. As far as similarities go, the medical team did not misinform or misdiagnose anybody to deliver any deliverables. The only thing Iggy said was, they lied to the media which in turn generated pressures that neither the Warriors or the medical team cowered to in Iggy's case so how you made that leap to extrapolate it into KDs is voodoo.

There was no pressure to deliver KD. If the player himself and warriors felt any pressure, what pressure will his own doctors feel to risk their client who could potentially lose his career and have no money to keep them on his payroll?

Like I said, the hoopla was simply because people wanted to claim Iggy was exposing the Warriors but that has been thrown out by the player himself. You are now trying and failing to make Iggy say what he himself said he was not saying.

LOL

If KD really wants to play and his personal doctor, whom he pays, knows he is not ready, that same doctor is under the same kind of subtle pressure and can cave in to that pressure. Wise men have said for years that he who pays the piper dictates the tunes.

Like I said, the same kind of pressures and expectations are not limited to the Warriors. It's a NBA-wide problem and the stars are at the receiving end.

Stop personalizing it.

There was pressure, perhaps not direct, to put KD into play too early and it backfired.



Also note:

1. Doctors can be professionally wrong. It is why patients are advised to go for 2nd and 3rd opinions. At the very least, we now know that the Warrior's doctors and KD's doctors were wrong in their diagnosis.

2. Doctors are humans and have emotions and can be influenced by emotions and pressures. If Iggy says there is pressure to deliver a certain expectation, it means that team doctors might be affected by such pressures too, not just players. The Warrior's doctors could have caved in to such subtle pressures and rushed him out too early. It's a possibility.

Eruditor:
Your opinion is wonderfully wrong. No debate.

He said " it was put OUT THERE" as a bone bruise. Put out there to who? That is your answer. Iggy himself praised the team because not only did they not mislead him. They still treated him the way a fracture should be treated without ever asking him to play. The only thing they did was misinform journalists to keep the opposition guessing. It is not rocket science.

Of course, when the media keep carrying a news repeatedly that a player has a bone bruise, people here and there will ask questions. How is the leg? Can you play? Is the pain still there? I mean, Steph was being asked these questions when he hurt his fingers. At no point did he say the Medical team misled HIM which is the lame argument you are trying to defend.

Same goes for KD who (by the way got cleared by his own doctors) and then INSISTED on playing. Whatever pressures he felt is not in anyway related to the hot takes or about NBA teams misinforming the media. The warriors for e.g if KDs initial injury was an Achilles could have still lied it was a calf strain but they would have never played him (as he would not have been able to even play..LOL).

And no amount of pressure can make a player who is unable to play, play. The pressure came from the media who kept claiming the player was out of GSW so to prove to them he was not out, he played.

Dude, I didn't say the Management lied or the doctors didn't give him a go-ahead. I've never made those claims.

What I said is up there. Don't put words into my mouth.

Listen to Iggy again and read my post in between the lines.

Indirect, subtle pressures and expectations from management mean that the players, team doctors and even the players personal doctors are under some kind of pressure to deliver a certain deliverable or result or expectation no matter what. So, do not be fooled into believing that every diagnosis or statement a doctor puts out there is fact. Other considerations other than being professional might be goading him.

Only very brave and self-contained players and some brave doctors can consistently be immune to and resist such indirect pressures and expectations.

Sadly, it seems KD, and regrettably his doctors, fell to such subtle pressures and rushed back too early.

Eruditor:
Ok no vex.

You don't need to be the only one to still be unashamedly wrong by the way.

He said when he fractured his leg last time against Rockets, the medical team of the warriors told THE NBA that it was a bone bruise even though they knew it was a fracture. Every team does that BTW. You want to unsettle the opposition and make them overcalculate their tactics. If Iggy was ruled out completely the Rockets would have been emboldened. Rockets did same about CP3 and kept lying that he could play game 6 or 7 even when they knew he was out. That was the summary of what he said.

Warriors did not play him, did they? The medical staff did not misdiagnose him (in fact he praised them). They only misled the NBA, journalists and the rockets (or at least they tried to).

I am not even saying anything new. If you do some digging, you will see that at the time last playoffs, I said categorically that Iggy's bone bruise injury claim was BS. Teams do that.

I would have gone to say exactly what he said about KDs injury but I am sure that is not what people care about. The hottake nonsense was to act like Warriors had misled Iggy about his injury but that is not what he was saying. Thing is, when you have made up your mind to hang your dog, any thread will be good enough. Which explains why people deliberately misunderstood the player.

My take.

He mentioned the indirect and subtle pressure on him(Iggy) to play from family, management, team mates, fans, when he was injured( a fracture) the season before as a metaphor for what happened to KD.

He said the same kinds of indirect and subtle pressures was on KD. The expectation that players are supposed to play through injury no matter what and that if KD is not playing, that's money down the drain and title slipping away and the big dreaded label, "he's not tough".

Guy, my inference is valid considering the whole context of KD's injury and what Iggy, his team mate, said here.

It's a league wide problem though, not just the Warriors - this pressure on star players.

So yes, it's an indictment, in my opinion.

Eruditor:
LOL.



Kneel where you are and ask God for the spirit of understanding.

Make your argument without sounding disrespectful, dude. That's what I deduced from what he said. Glad I'm not the only one.

Eruditor:
This one too will say he has a brain. LOL. Opting out of what?

I am waiting for the usually reasonable birdman to respond. I have already accepted that a lot of people on here are not as intelligent as they think they are. The firsttake mugus no different. You are on your own pedestal when it comes to mumulity sha. Carry go.

Watched it and I believe it's an indictment of the Warriors' hierarchy and also the NBA.

Pointguardusa:
Thanks bro . I'll also add the clutch factor .

Yep. Same, same.

steady986:
I think this is flat out robbery. You can't have that kind of season and not win MVP. I mean, 36 ppg? Nah men. Plus him being 2nd in steals and deflected passes, it just doesn't make sense.

Remember, Giannis made those numbers playing hard both ends of the floor. His defensive stats and ability are crazy too.

steady986:
They should have thought about that when they made Westbrook MVP.

True that. The inconsistency in the criteria . Happens a lot in football ballon d'or too. Is it the best player for the season or the best player whose team won the title or the player that scored the most crucial goals on their way to winning? The inconsistency of it all is pretty confusing. They keep switching.

Anyway, glad someone with a Nigerian blood won it though. I believe he deserves it.

Pointguardusa:
What does it mean to have ice in your veins ?

Not affected by pressure/stress/issues/challenges/feelings like other humans. To be calm in the face of pressure. To show no mercy/to have a killer instinct.

Congrats Giannis, the Greek god!

Big message to Harden, it's not about the numbers alone. Winning matters.

What happened to KarnThornheart? Why did he deactivate?

BrutalyHandsom:
Mercy over judgement? God is not sentimental

Judgement must always prevail

All man shall give account of his actions and even his body parts will testify against him

No come dey preach fake for us

You know nothing about grace and the finished work of Christ. "In Christ we have redemption through the blood, the forgiveness of sins" - Ephesians 1:7.

No matter what you've done, there is a protocol for redemption in Christianity.

You can obtain mercy and be redeemed. It's your choice.

CanadaOrBust:
Amen!
Once again I never said juju (or anything else) does not exist. I’m only asking legitimate reasoned questions about specific things.
As u said, the universe runs by principles/laws which God had set in motion from the beginning of time. That’s why it should be incumbent upon u to be sceptical when anything seems to contradict those laws - not attack people asking very legitimate questions about those things.
Beliefs, faith, meditation are NOT juju. Juju is someone saying some words over some female panties and thereby make u bulletproof.
Quantum physics does not apply in our everyday life and world. It only applies in the world of sub-sub-sub atomic particles.

You know it all my friend, why bother with the questions? Bye.

CuteRedd:
They bashed KD but see nothing wrong with Lebron bringing in AD and possibly another All star. Lebron hasn’t won any chip without 3 all stars!!! Pathetic double standards!

CuteRedd, there is a reason why the whole basketball world was shocked by that KD's move to the Warriors. Analysts call it the most shocking move in basketball history.

A 73-9 record breaking team and the second best player in the NBA joining them. An almost unplayerable team already. Haba! Think am nah!

There is no precedence to such in NBA history. Period.

CanadaOrBust:
BUT I AM THE ONE WITH THE OPEN MIND. I am the one asking questions AND I am the one who has said many times that ANYTHING is possible in this universe. U are the one saying obvious questions should not be asked.
There being shades of many colors does not answer the question why juju countries don’t win all sports events.

That’s logical reasoning. Refute it with equally logical reasoning not some ad hominem stuff

The universe runs by principles/laws which God had set in motion from the beginning of time.

There are laws of the universe, like the Law of cause and effect. Read about them. Those laws are forces just like spiritual forces. So someone not using juju but doing something by faith or belief is exercising an equally powerful force on the universe.

Beliefs and faith are forces in the spirit realm.

Principles are forces in the universe. Someone obeying the laws of success/peak performance for example will be richer/better than someone using juju alone or prayer alone, all things being equal.

A skill is a force. Wisdom and understanding are forces too...

The spiritual realm is a realm where men access to gain some form of advantage or additional forces over others or over a challenge. So prayer, juju, meditation, confessions are forces too and are attempts or means by which men gain such advantage or exercise such forces.

Read about quantum physics. I call it the science of the spirit realm. It will help you understand the spiritual side of life. If you are a Christian, it may help you understand the bible better.

Read Leke Alder's Illuminaire for a deeper understanding of Christian spirituality if you are a Christian. It can answer some of your questions too if you are an atheist.

To engage you in this topic is a long thing and I don't have that time. It's why I am writing you in little bytes.

May God lead you aright.

CanadaOrBust:
My sense is that those powers have very limited effect on our world otherwise presidents and such can’t survive. Also things like banking, sports, lottery will not be possible

You have a simplistic view to life. It's not either black or white. There are shades of many colours in between.

Logic, philosophy, psychology, science, technology, man, quantum physics, spirituality, the spiritual side all have their place in this life. Your question should be how does all these interplay? What is the nature of the cosmos?

There are things you don't know nor understand.

Ask God for wisdom and understanding and be open and humble enough to learn.

RiyaGoddess:
My dear, there is Juju. Confirm Juju Coming from a home where idol is being worshipped and adore yet we are Muslims. I'm not supposed to say this here but some things I read online especially on this forum makes me shake my head and sometimes pushes me to talk.
I once asked my dad why they aren't using their juju to heal the nation or even remove kill whoever they don't want on the throne but the answer I got shocked me. Just pray not be a victim of one. See let me not derail before some people will come for my head.

True. There are diabolic powers. There is also the power of God.

The spiritual is a realm. Anybody can access this realm to gain some form of advantage in life.

Problem is the diabolic path has grave repercussions and consequences.

Just curious as to your dad's response to your question

Neddstark:
EnthronedbyGod na pastor o. From his quote from Dr. Olukoya, i knew he was going to speak from a very christian angle. As a Christian, i understand what he says are very deep. I wish he would dig more on the issue of blood oaths taken during initiations, etc. But lets face it there is a spiritual side to things. Early this year a prophetess i follow on Facebook gave a prophecy and insisted we pray for young minds that the spirit of suicide has settled among the youths in the country. This year haven't we been seeing youths taking their lives for even baseless reasons? The number of suicidal deaths is more than 60 i have read on news, which may actually be in hundreds.
Anyways, i wont doubt him too much. Good his thread is in the religious section. Will be a strong guide there. But for those fully in the flesh, wey won belong or form hardman, the stance remains "Say no to Cultism"

There is actually a spiritual side with attendant consequences to cultism but EnthronedbyGod is all over the place in that thread and has, as a result, nuked every believability of the intended message. Have stopped reading.

Sad. Was hoping he will do justice to the topic. Naa! We'll await another saviour. He's not the one.

Modified:

Finally finished EnthronedbyGod thread after my anger at the way he started it made me stop earlier.

I still maintain that his calling out some men of God and some denominations was unnecessary, ill-advised and counter productive.

Having finally read it, here's my report:

There are many golden gems in his thread for anyone interested in the negative side, spiritual side and spiritual effects of cultism. He has enriched and deepened this expose on cultism.

I now amend my earlier criticism of that thread.

Best wishes everyone.

@naptu2

On Flo Jo

Flamboyant? Yes. Ticks all the box.

Favourite? Why? Juiced up, steroid-induced records, overnight speedstar over hitherto faster contemporaries like Evelyn Ashford, Gail Devers and co, sudden drastic muscular and physique build, quits the game at her prime when questions were being asked of her and the vultures were circling, dies suddenly some years after of undisclosed illness. The story of Florence Griffith Joyner.

You wonder why her record will never be broken?

Guy, all those records na scam.

Abeg choose another favourite

iamJ:
Kyrie amuses me

After all he said about being in LBJ shadow


Let me wait till it's confirmed B4 I say my mind

Shephen A and lies are like 1 and 2

Some people know themselves and learn only by experience. He has realized he is a number 2 now and hopefully he's at peace with that.

Eruditor:
This is circumlocutory.

Lol. Okay

kelechiodo:
It was never my intention to comment on this thread even though I visit it on daily basis but some unfair comments here against the OP have eventually forced me to comment.

Op you are really doing a wonderful job in this expository. I graduated in 2005 and can relate with some of what you exposed here even though I wasn’t a cult member all throughout my stay in university.

Those that accused OP of glorifying are just unfair. OP has been consistent that no cult is stronger than the other and cannot protect anybody. Some other comments are of the opinion that what OP has said is well known to everybody. This is a big lie. Some of my friends that joined cultism in school only saw the entertainment part of it but never the ugly side as exposed by OP. One joined because he wanted to always attend parties without hindrance or molestation. Another joined in order to continue to date his girl. Another joined in order not to be alienated from his drinking peers. But all regretted ever joining.

The severity of the initiation which lasted for a whole night was made known to me by the OP for the first time in this thread.

Members at risk:
Another eye opening is the fact the every cult member is at risk during HIT. The notion has always been that it was the person the pulled the trigger in previous HIT that is always the target. A friend of mine who renounced always said so but I wonder why he leaves schools for weeks at times.

On settlement with cash:
Another interesting thing OP emphasised that I wasn’t aware of is that HIT is settled with cash. This is one of the greatest lie by cult members who always insist that the fear of reprisal attack from their group members protect them. For the first time I realised that cash is used to pay off dead ones. Who benefits from this cash, maybe the cult head or chairman and definitely not the deceased family. How much is involved? Even though OP has not stated that but it cannot be above N100,000. So this amount is what a cult member insured his life with.

On JUJU:
On this OP is not lying. Almost all cult members parade one juju or the other. These different jujus serve one purpose or the other. For their effectiveness, I don’t know. But one thing I know is that cult members are not morons or imbeciles. They are people with thinking faculty, if the charms are not known to have worked, it wouldn’t have been so rampart with them. But like all evil supernatural stuffs, they not only have their expiry date but also dos and donts, fake ones and stronger ones. One in my school then always boasts that whoever that wants to kill him must first visit india. This is an indication that whereas he believes in the efficacy of his charm, he also believe that stronger ones exist. Those that questioned the efficacy of juju and insisted that Britain wouldn’t have conquered Nigeria if it works. Well like Igbo people says “Ihe a muru amu ka ihe agwuru agwo”. Check me out in religion section if you want to go further on this.

Lastly:
OP, someone who is still a member said early in this tread, that if had read this thread before going to university that he would have joined. That is the best appreciation you can get in this thread and the greatest motivation you can get to continue with this thread.

Nice one. Correct your last paragraph. I believe you meant 'wouldn't have joined'.

dairykidd:
Yeah that's why i said he should have stopped when the story ended

Guy, you are triggered deeply by this story because of your past. Let the implication of this sink in.

Without your dirty cultism past, you will see this thread as most of us see it, a brave life saver in a hopeless world.

You talk of people knowing the implications of cultism before joining and I laugh. Dude, it's a secret cult for crying out loud and 90% of what you will eventually encounter will not be revealed to a ju man or non initiate until you are initiated.

The unveiling of the secrecy which OP is doing is like unmasking a masquerade, the whole myth and reverence and power of the masquerade over you is gone.

Will there be some who will read this and still run to join? Certainly. But those ones are the few that are hardwired to embrace evil and self destruct.

In the classic, Living in Bondage, Andy(Kenneth Okonkwo), full of regret and misery at the enormous price he's had to pay for joining a money ritual secret cult, blamed his friend
Paulo, who had convinced him to join, for not telling him, in greater detail, the gravity of the price he would have to pay. He cried, "Mana Paulo ikowataro m ife a ofuma." "Paulo, you didn't explain this thing to me very well."

This expose has done justice to revealing the gravity of the evil that cultism truly is. No one after reading this will give the excuse of not knowing the depth of the evil involved anymore.

Let he who has ear hear.

LarcPickerin:
He accepted a bench role in houston, turned a new page and was doing quite well. But the rockets made him a scape goat. I will take melo even as a spot up shooter coming off the bench, he doesnt have the influence to cause havoc or ruin chemistry. And if he doesnt work out you can always cut him. Its worth giving a chance, melo on the veteran min will be a huge steal for a cash strapped team trying to build.

I think coaches wanted their pound of flesh off of him after all those years.

On your later points, I agree; let's hope he is still fit and healthy .

LarcPickerin:
False narrative.

After what he did to Linsanity, his unwillingness to work on his defensive weaknesses under several coaches and his history of getting coaches that tried to change him fired?

LarcPickerin:
Honestly, i dont want kawhi cause that would be too bad for the league. The lakers would have stacked the deck too much and it diminishes winning a championship, especially with no worthy opponent since kd and klay are down. Kemba or butler would be ideal. I want Kawhi to sign with the clippers just to give the west a bit more grime, a bit more drama. If he stays with the raptors he'll probably never make the finals again. I want the lakers to have a good competitive team, i dont want a warrior type situation where the odds are so skewed in one teams favor theres almost no point watching and it diminishes the greatness of all players involved.

Truer words have not yet been uttered!

steady986:
It's amazing how folks can say Giannis is better than this guy. I barely see him on any top 5 list. They seem to have forgotten how good he is just because he failed to make the playoffs. We're in a league where players are judged by their ability to take their team to the playoffs. But pound for pound, KD is as good as anybody in this league. Easily in my top 5.

You meant AD?

Eruditor:
What did Warriors fans say?

Most of the e-wars on this thread were fought based on that and you still ask me?