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basilico:
Start with removing the hatred from within yourself

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Start with removing the worship of a depraved man from yourself.

You are totally convinced he is the most evil person yet you cant name a major policy lie

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Again, you sneak in another qualification with the bold. Notwithstanding there are thousands of lies in that regard.

White genocide. I wouldn't call it a genocide but there is widespread killing of white farmers. How many white farmers killed should be deemed as a white genocide. Give a rough figure ..

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This is why I dont want to bother with you. The white genocide thing was an infamous and ridiculous lie, with zero basis. There isnt even the "widespread" killing of white farmers you mentioned.

Jakumo:
Show me di law! Show me di law! Show me di law!

Chai! Mental instability manifests in so many entertaining ways. Now Mr. Show-Me-Di-Law can deliver his hate speeches to the cockroaches and huge rats that will be sharing his jail cell for the next 75 years.

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Huge, oh, huge.
And radicalized, militant and fearless rats.

basilico:
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Adjust your post, I cant quote it.

1. Are you trying to say the bible contradicts itself and that the NT verses on slavery are invalid as well? Look, you cant just blatantly ignore what is written there and claim love covers all.

2. As for the lies, the fact that you mention voodoo already makes me tired. It was a lie, and even the Republican Governor of Ohio confirmed that it was a lie. You cant just say well you know of such a practice in voodoo therefore that accusation was true. What a vague watery defense.

This kind of defense convinces me that there is no point discussing Trump's many lies with you as I already know.

Of course you will go silent on the fantastic lie on white genocide in SA as you know how indefensible that one is coupled with its racist overtone - especially in light of his immigration stance.

There is no point with you.

If the man says your parents are baboons, you will find a way to say its a harmless superlative and not racist at all.

Sirmwill:
From the west?

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Yes.

kentebemoney:
I see you avoided those other points.
Ever heard of John Newton and William Wilberforce.
As an agnostic, you can't know the scriptures more than a true believer that seeks God in truth and in spirit (the letter kills, the spirit giveth life).

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I am not avoiding anything, those are matters of history we can come to.
You asked me a specific question on verses used to defend slavery.

I provided them.

Do you now what to ignore what you yourself demanded?
If so, why bother asking for the verses only to point blank pretend they dont exist?

PS: Oh, many atheists and agnostics have actually read the bible over and over which is more than can be said for most believers. For example, if you had read the bible back to back, you would not have to ask me for the verses that support slavery.

ono:
A breath of fresh air!

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And what is this - - ?

He asked for bible verses used to defend slavery?

I provided.

You pretend not to see them?

DeepSight:
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Really? Alright.

Leviticus 25:44-46 "As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations that are around you that you may buy male and female slaves. You may also buy from among the permanent residents who live with you, and from their clans that are with you, who have borne children in your land; and they may be your property. You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, to inherit as property; you can make them perpetual slaves."

Ephesians 6:5 "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as to Christ;"

Colossians 3:22 "Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not by way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord."

And there are more.

Kukutente23:
Make Tinubu resign abeg
The hypocrite is only good with mouth action

Oh. I hope I've not committed terrorism

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These events are seriously threatening his re-election if he doesnt know.
Its likely to escalate next year.

Kukutente23:
For your 3
Calling for secession is treason by Nigerian laws
There's no self-determination clause in Nigerian law

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I explained how to go about it legally. Seek amendment of the constitution, lobby the NASS legitimately. I didnt say he did it right. I said calling for an independent state is not by itself a crime. You approach the NASS and put in proposals for plebiscites when sufficient petitions are received, etc.

Self-determination is a right in various treaties Nigeria is a party to. Its just a question of the legal and legitimate approach.
Even state creation is a form of self determination.

madridguy:
The satanic players should get a new script. Kidnapping innocent students will not bring them into the Aso Rock.

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Pay heed: it is not a script to be ignored. Agreed, it may be a regime change script: it has worked before, it may work again. Especially with foreign backing.

basilico:
I've not doubted, it's written in white and black.
As a Christian I should follow the laws summarized by Jesus. Not the Mosaic laws.

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But he said he came to fulfill the law and not abolish it and secondly two of the verses I gave you are New Testament verses.

As for Trump ,I only wanted his major lies.

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You will denounce them.
I can start from anywhere, but what would you say about the birther conspiracy he initiated against Barack. What about "they are eating the dogs they are eating the cats?" What about his campaign against the New York Five? What about his lies about the size of his inauguration crowd? What about his lies about white genocide in South Africa? What about his lies about his personal wealth?

I can literally list hundreds of his lies. I can go on and on all day, but there is no point. You will deny each and every one of them no matter how obvious.
Because you dont have an objective bone in you.

Kukutente23:
For your 2, has any IPOB member been convicted who confessed that they were following Kanu's instructions? I believe to tie him to some actions it has to be established that they were carried out by the members of his group like the Lagos burning. That's actually the crux of my curiosity about hanging the burning of Lagos and the murder of Gulak on him

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Fair point.

basilico:
Jesus summarized the old testament into two verses.
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments".

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"So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets" (Matthew 7:12).

I guarantee you those verses don't justify slavery.

Lol.

Its written there in black and white.

You cant unwrite it.

This is why I dont have the energy to start listing Trump's lies when you will ignore the obvious.

Look at those plain verses and look at how you are denying them.

How will you not do the same thing with Trump's lies.

ABEG.

Good morning.

basilico:
No specific lie from Trump you can think of that affected the population is my conclusion.

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Why are you introducing the bold qualification. There are by the way, many.
Its not as though you will agree anyway, no matter how obvious.

Just today , you resorted to generalization of the 12 disciples of Jesus manner,place and reasons cruel deaths were netted into them.

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Did you even cite any source for your claims about how each apostle died?
I told you many of those are unsubstantiated, and thats a fact. Dont take my word for it, research.

cococandy:
The pedeyfile and his magic ear

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Babanla magic ear with astonishing healing powers.

kentebemoney:
Btw, kindly help us with the Bible verse used to defend slavery!!!!!

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Really? Alright.

Leviticus 25:44-46 "As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations that are around you that you may buy male and female slaves. You may also buy from among the permanent residents who live with you, and from their clans that are with you, who have borne children in your land; and they may be your property. You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, to inherit as property; you can make them perpetual slaves."

Ephesians 6:5 "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as to Christ;"

Colossians 3:22 "Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not by way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord."

And there are more.

basilico:
Be specific. Which lie ranks the highest. Top two lies. Only.

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Among tens of thousands of lies from a man who lies at a rate of scores of lies per day, I should pick two?

You can't be serious.

Unbiased1 oooooh.
Good morning.

GloriousGbola:
Worked for the pdfile in chief

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As for the true and full story of that assassination attempt, I believe it will one day emerge as history trundles along.

basilico:
Taking points prepared for the foot soldiers.
What major lie from Trump compares to "you can keep your doctor" or that ISIS is a JV team?
How corrupt is a person who left the white house poorer than he entered? He gets paid a symbollic dollar.

Everyone cares for himself , he promotes America first because he makes more money when the economy is booming.

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It is rather you that say things that sound like a cult-follower or footsoldier.

I repeat, I can list the atrocities of the left, especially the Clintons and Obama.

Their hopeless and corrupt wars.

Their backdoor deals.

Their focus on absurdities (Obama went to Kenya and focused on lecturing a poor country on gay rights. He was correctly and publicly turned down by the President of Kenya who lectured him on the more important challenges of poor countries).

You, by contrast, watch a zillion lies (no one has told the thousands of lies Trump has), the reckless acts, the frauds, the racist words and acts of Trump, and turn a blind eye.

I don't do that even for those I support.

basilico:
He is an American first. If all leaders cared about their countries first before anything else , the world would be better.
Venezuela for instance , one of the richest countries in that part decided to go socialist. Why waste money on prisons when they can send their convicts Northwards ?
Mexico also for that matter. Everyone knows it but Trump was the first to say it loudly They are not sending their best.
Call him.a racist ,but leaders should fix their own nations instead .

Don't forget Trump is the most lied about, most scrutinized and most persecuted president in history. With an industrial scale network doing everything to take him down. Starting from the Democrats to republicans ,the forces ganged up against him have thrown everything they can to get rid of him. The media is the worst cog in that wheel
I see him from that angle.
You believe his haters more,you don't look aware that you are just a tiny dispensable foot soldier to them. I believe his haters are dastardly evil people who seek to gain and control power by all means..Trump stands in their way to control of trillions if dollars.
That's the difference between me and you

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1. You believe Trump cares about America - you do not know Trump at all. Trump has never cared about anyone or anything other than himself.

2. You believe Trump is the most lied about person. That is rich when he is easily the greatest liar in human history himself. The second is Meghan Markle.

3. You believe Trump is standing in the way of corrupt access to trillions of dollars. How funny when Trump is one of the most corrupt people of all time seeking trillions of dollars for himself and openly cutting corrupt and illegal deals and getting away with them like no one else. He is a notorious fraudster and con artist and you are here painting him as anti-corruption.

You simply dont know this man AT ALL and you have been greatly decieved.

Kukutente23:
@gidgiddy
First of all you need to know that when Kanu failed to put up a defence, he summarily accepted whatever the prosecution accused him of. Silence means approval is a legal principle as old as time.
So you can't blame the judge here. The blame should be to Kanu who chose to make himself a Martyr by forgoing his defence. That's the point I've been expecting zombies to make since yesterday on a thread where I asked what constituted am act of terrorism but they've been attacking me instead. Mvnster even said I'm ipob

Secondly and more importantly, while what you say might not be an act, it is an incitement which is almost at same level as an act except where you can show that the context of your speech is being misconstrued. In the case of Kanu, calling for an attack on agents of state such as the police and army constitutes an act of terrorism. More importantly, he failed to put up a defence to the accusations which I already explained above is an admission of guilt.
Even AU and UN charters and conventions frown on verbal attacks and dehumanisation of people based on their tribes and nationality. Kanu did this a lot without guardrails. Maybe he did not intend for it to get this far but it did and he has to bear responsibility for it.
As for calling for Biafra, I'm sure you don't need to be educated that it's simply treason as far as Nigerian laws are concerned.

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Generally fair, stubborn aburo, just just a few notes.

1. There is known to law something such as a "no-case submission." In other words one can actually say that the prosecution (or plaintiff in a civil case) has set up no case that needs to be defended. This I suspect is what he was trying to say. Highly ill-advised since there was a case to be defended.

2. What he did was not just incitement. In some cases he gave out instructions to his followers to take certain acts. That is akin to someone hiring a hitman or ordering a hit when in a position to do so. In such a case, you have as good as done the act yourself.

3. Calling for Biafra is not a crime. International Charters actually recognize that right, it is the right of all peoples to self determination. The simple thing would be to do it legally - i.e: seek an amendment to the constitution to permit a referendum on such, etc. All this can be pursued legally.

basilico:
I don't follow Trump to guide me to the next world.
I like his common sense approach to most matters and his stance on nationalism. His opponents are primarily intent on tearing down the society so that they can remake it in their own utopia.
Noone is perfect.
The liberals in my opinion are just plainly evil.

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Trump is plainly evil.
There is a lot that I dont like about liberal stances - particularly things like transgenderism especially when it is taken to absurd heights such as saying that children can choose to change their sex, saying that there are over a hundred sexes and not two, allowing men to compete in female sports, and the like. All of these are moral and ethical abominations.

But for sheer evil, sheer corruption, sheer manipulation of the worst kind, sheer racism of the most abominable kind, you have to look to someone who says "they are poisoning our blood" - a direct quote from the Nazis and something derived from the Alhambra Decree in medieval Spain.

Racism at Trump's level is a sickness, a cancer and the hypocrisy of an anti-immigration person who himself is the child of immigrants and married to immigrants is laughable.

basilico:
Matters religion that can't be proven right or wrong are better left to individual .
Anyone is free to worship a stone for instance .
Id rather have someone who is talking about the genocide of christians, Trump and Nicky Minaj than the other one who interfered in Nigerian elections and promotes every moral depravity whenever he gets a chance. -

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The bold is part of why I always say I can point out many lamentable things about Barack.
But if you imagine that Trump is for one second interested in Christian genocide in Nigeria, you know not who you follow.

cococandy:
A bunch of mentally unwell people supporting a pdf file, claiming victimhood and then crying about how anyone who doesn’t support their pdf file in chief has derangement syndrome. Totally bonkers.

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It's so queer the way these people buy into the childish nursery rhymes and mantraas of Trumpism, such as TDS.

Same way they chorus the infantile nicknames he throws about for his opponents.

basilico:
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Be specific. Which death I'd not substanted?

The early church decided on the number of books to incorporate, the existence of other books does not negate what in the gospel. I would think other writings would be more corrupted than what the disciples wrote.
Convince me what they saw and wrote about was a hoax.
You could be believing the Islamic version of crucifixion
Surah An-Nisa 4:157-158
"And because of their saying: 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger' - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. Rather, Allah raised him up to Himself. And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise". .

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Well let's not go too far, this is after all an American Politics thread.

But:

1. I think it is you who need to prove the manner of death of each apostle.

2. I have told you no one knows who wrote the gospels. They were attributed to the apostles. Don't take my word for it, research.

3. Much written in the Quoran is nothing but plagiarism and twisting from Hebrew scripts with their own preferred bent and narrative.

4. The only connection I can see with this thread is that it appears that like many, your support for the right and Trump is rooted in your Christianity?

basilico:
You are not a Satanist, they are a secretive society who believe in a spiritual being.

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Yes, I am not a Satanist. Yes, many Satanists believe in an actual Satan, but many do not. Many simply believe in the principles enunciated.

basilico:
So far so good .
How fo you explain the cruel deaths of the disciples of Jesus. Distances relative from Jerusalem.

Peter was crucified upside down in Rome, approximately 1,400 miles from Jerusalem.
Andrew was crucified on an X-shaped cross in Patras, Greece, approximately 950 miles from Jerusalem.
James, son of Zebedee was beheaded by sword in Jerusalem, within 1 mile of the city center.
John died of old age in Ephesus (modern-day Turkey), after surviving being boiled in oil in Rome, approximately 750 miles from Jerusalem to Ephesus.
Philip was crucified in Hierapolis (modern-day Turkey), approximately 700 miles from Jerusalem.
Bartholomew was flayed alive and beheaded in Armenia or India, roughly 1,000 to 2,500+ miles from Jerusalem depending on the tradition.
Matthew was killed by a sword wound in Ethiopia, approximately 2,200 miles from Jerusalem.
Thomas was stabbed with a spear in Mylapore, India, approximately 3,000 miles from Jerusalem.
James, son of Alphaeus was stoned and clubbed to death in Jerusalem, within 1 mile of the city center.
Jude Thaddeus was killed with an axe or arrows in Persia (modern-day Iran), approximately 1,100 miles from Jerusalem.
Simon the Zealot was killed alongside Jude in Persia (modern-day Iran), approximately 1,100 miles from Jerusalem.
Judas Iscariot died by suicide (hanging) near Jerusalem, within a few miles of the city.
Matthias (Judas' replacement) was stoned and beheaded in Jerusalem or Ethiopia, depending on the tradition.


They all refused to renounce what they witnessed with their own eyes. They wrote a good part of the New Testament with no contradiction whatsoever about the life, death and resurrection of Jesus.
You can see how far away from. Jerusalem the mission to spread the teachings of Jesus took them.

1. I hope you know that the legends about the deaths of the apostles are mostly unsubstantiated.

2. Many people use their conviction as evidence of the truth of the resurrection. I cannot do the same. We have seen even in the last half century adherents of cults who have been willing to die and even committed mass suicide for their belief in their cult masters.

3. The writers of the gospels are actually unknown - the gospels are merely ascribed to those apostles.

4. There are actually scores of gospels in existence. The canonical four were merely those selected by the Church for inclusion. There are many wild contradictions in the others, such as in those of Thomas, Judas, Mary and many many others.

ono:
Or the Puritans of the time of Thomas Cromwell.

Anyways, let me share a passage of the scriptures that I read today. I will wait for your vitriol on this one, so I can laugh at you with glee.

Numbers 31:1-24

They fought against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every man. Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba—the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho. Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp.

Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.“Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man".

Anyone who has killed someone or touched someone who was killed must stay outside the camp seven days. On the third and seventh days you must purify yourselves and your captives.

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It is absurd to credit the Puritans with civilization or industrialization. Indeed they were a very backward thinking people who subscribed to many myths and lived by absurd restrictions and regulations.

basilico:
The left is on a mission to control the society. It's totalitarian and brooks no criticism at all.
Their war on Christianity is waged from every possible attack angle. A country that's majority christian has no time for things like lbgtq promotion , they tolerate them though unlike the Muslims who hoist them up on cranes or throw them out of tall buildings.
Such countries don't allow trans men to compete as women. The left haa to overturn what was once considered normal .
Strangely and I've asked here with no answer. Why is it that Devil worshippera believe in Satan but not in God, both being spiritual beings?

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Satanists believe in the existence of God but prefer the Satanic principle which is founded on the idea that knowledge liberates (ref: Garden of Eden - "God knows that in the day that you eat the fruit, you shall become as God, knowing good and evil", and also the idea that one should be absolutely free to do as one wishes in pursuit of pleasure, wealth power, lust and anything one desires.

basilico:
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Without questioning whether you worship s stone or a cow, do you believe a certain Jew by the name Jesus existed and was crucified?
Just that. Did Jesus exist

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I honestly don't know if a man called Jesus of Nazareth existed. The historicity of Jesus is a complex academic matter. However let me say a few brief things.

1. The non-scriptural references to him are painfully few - one or two references in Josephus stand out, and even there, it is argued that such were deliberate insertions by the Church/ establishment at a later point in order to establish the historical Jesus. There are references to Christ by Tacitus, Pliny the Younger and Suetonius - that of Tacitus stands out as well, but those of the other two do nothing to establish a historical Jesus but refer mainly to the existence of the early church and their worship of Christ.

2. There were several people during that same period who claimed to be the messiah and went about with some following and appeared to be said to do some wonders of some kind.

3. I would wager that a man called Jesus of Nazareth did exist, but that the legend and myth about him have been compounded as an agglomeration of several true and false stories and stories about the lives of a group of men rather than one man, and all of these have been bundled into the legend of one Jesus Christ. I also wager that there was significant Roman influence in molding what was said to be his teaching, such that it would suit Roman purposes.

4. To the extent that the fundamental teaching of the resultant Jesus is said to be love, brotherhood and forgiveness, I see it as a high and noble teaching.

5. However I do not believe in myths such as the virgin birth (a widespread myth which was applied to many gods and demi gods of the old world from Greece to Rome to Egypt to India), and neither do I believe that Jesus was God, the special son of God, or that his death on any cross was a propitiatory sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins - something which would be barbaric and amount to endorsement of ritual human sacrifice.

ono:
Was it not under this God that Britain and the West prospered and became the industrial and financial hub of the world ?

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Huh? Worshipping the Christian God did that for them? The same Christian God they used to justify slavery? Please look for other reasons for that prosperity such as guns and diseases, or even the renaissance and the enlightenment.

ono:
I get that. Okay let me rephrase my question. Which one is a suitable god - if one exists in your “reality” based on what you unloaded earlier?

You’re free to say there’s none and thus remove all doubt that you’re an atheist.

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The truth is that God is unknowable, as IT completely transcends our reality. We can no more know or understand God than an amoeba in a water puddle in the Amazon Forest can hope to know of, or understand the existence of multiverses.

In our attempts to give meaning to our existence we have created ideas of gods - many of them absolute abominations and monstrosities, such as Yahweh and Allah.

If God exists, IT may very well be a neutral impersonal existential force at the root of all reality.

I am agnostic, not atheistic.