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Image123:
Read what i initially said.

Good night.

Kukutente23:
There's nothing in the constitution that says you can't be a member of two political parties

It would be in the constitutions of the political parties.

DARLYNBOI:
Don't mind Abure.. Him eyes go clear now... Obi was the party starboy and also doubled as the party spokesperson as the opposition voice in the party...

Who else within the party is able to speak against the current maladministration in Abuja except Obi from labour Party...

Both Abure and that Apc babalawo called apapa wan to dey reap without effort.. Ozuor people

HA! So I am not the only one who knows Apapa is a babalawo!

jmoore:
National relevance!!

National relevance!!

National relevance!!

No wonder some countries ask you guys to write IELTS before getting visa.


What was the highest vote that labor party got in any presidential election before Obi came?

In fact what was the highest vote that ANY third party got before Obi jined LP?

Bentacur007:
How did Obi used and dump them
What’s the role of apapa and Abure
You are talking out of point

Lamidi Apapa the great African Magician who defeated Aladdin, his genie and the Grand Vizier of Agrabah. The original grey bia bia juju man with black magic and the ability to tarnsform into different human beings. Lamidi the great, the one and only, the more you look the less you see.

Image123:
Nope, i don't owe you any proof. It was an aside or also, not the main. It's you that accused Chagoury of convictions and being high Consul of St Lucia as reason for the President's visit that needs to show proof AND how it connects. As much as i recall, Dangote and i think Sanwo Olu had been in the Caribbeans earlier regarding this partnership the FG is making. It's you and your likes that insist it's a lie that should provide evidence. Not asking me to provide your evidence. If it's so important and connecting to you, find it. Search harder or let's even see what you got asides WhatsApp status gist.
As for 10 year limit for conviction, check the constitution and learn.
Section 137(1)(e)
Section 182(1)(e)
Section 66(1)(d)
Section 107(1)(d)

You may also read the case of Action Congress v. INEC (2007) if interested. Hopefully there's no further rigmarole.

Those sections have to do with qualification to run for office. They do not invalidate a conviction.
Good night.

Kukutente23:
I believe he's smart enough to know that LP is a dead end
Abure just gave Obi 48hrs to resign his membership
That's tantamount to an expulsion

So what do you think will happen if Obi is now not picked within ADC?

Although the tone of Obi's message connoted a willingness to make the sacrifice and be VP.

Kukutente23:
He sounds very cerebral but there's a tinge of frustration at the prospect of being a backbencher in his tone

But he is right. When push comes to shove, will the coalition participants be ready to bend the knee for one another to reach the promised land
A very simple solution is to have a written agreement among themselves on how to go about the sharing of the expected booty. Atiku should display elderly wisdom. Get a written letter to the NEC and BOT of the party signed by you to do only one term after which a southern candidate should emerge. If he can develop the ability to convince everyone of his sincerity to abide by that terms, he'll be home and dry.
The 2023 stats show that even with a Kwankwaso Vice, Tinubu stands to be defeated by an Atiku/Obi combo especially with the massive discontent in the NW/NE against him presently.

On point.

One can tell he is pining for the VP slot he would naturally have if he and Obi stuck to LP.

LordReed:
Igtheists think the concept of god(s) is incoherent and thus meaningless.

So you are an Igtheist?

If so, you should not even discuss the subject at all.

As far as I understand, it would be like discussing the existence of a square circle.

dederocs:
A brother won't call a brother out like this, childish and mischievous. If I was tuface I will be careful about Charles. It's not your business to take the personal life of your brother so personal, to this point.

Certainly not publicly.

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Kukutente23:
Naah
There's no difference of interpretation

The difference to my mind is this -

1. To subsidise - would mean paying the difference on each exchange: thus, if the real rate is N1000, to $1, and we are getting it for N400 to $1, then it means the govt is paying the extra N600 on each exchange. Its obvious that at no time was this ever the case.

2. To defend - would simply mean regular injections of USD into the system in such a way as to maintain a stable exchange rate by ensuring that there isnt too much naira chasing too few dollars thereby increasing the value of the dollar to the nara.

The reason I said I give it to you is that for Onanuga to begin by saying "Like oil" simply means he was suggesting No. 1.

Kukutente23:
Naah
There's no difference of interpretation
What you're seeing is crass agbadoism which entails living in denial or an alternate universe
Dude is here to defend Tinubu's idea of floating the naira. He has already insisted to the Op that there is no such thing like subsidizing forex. So it is a shock to him to see that the presidency he is beholden to actually made such spurious claim.
I'm sure he'll be alright las las

The chap replied simply saying that he is blocking me. What did I write that merits such a response if he is confident?

LordReed:
Of course it is problematic because it is at best speculation. You have no evidence outside of the universe itself. So where do you get the basis for thinking there is a nonphysical source of the universe?

From logic. A mutable thing, a finite thing, a thing that has a beginning, logically cannot be the source of itself. Therefore, the universe being all of these, cannot possibly the source of itself. Ergo, if matter is finite and has a beginning, then its source cannot be matter - thus it must be immaterial.

That simplicity leads me to call it nothing other than the universe. I have no reason to call it a god becuase I have simplified it.

Above explained is the reason why the universe cannot be the source of all that exists.

Look sir: the source of all that exists necessaily must be self existent. A self-existent thing must also necessarily and logically be immutable. The universe is mutable, ergo, it cannot be self-existent and thus it cannot be the source of all that exists.

Please do not be tempted to simply say as you often say that these are just word gymnastics - reflect closely on the though development and the logic of what I am giving you.

No i don't consider them beings since they have no minds or wills.

Hive minds only exist in scifi. Bees and other eusocial animals have "organised" cooperation.

It doesn't matter what makes up the individual as long as those 3 attributes can be demonstrated.

The point I am trying to put to you is that whatever GOD is, you cannot look at it they way you look at individuals in the human sense. IT far exceeds not just us, but the entire universe, and so be careful with applying anthropormorphic considerations.

Image123:
Alleluia, that's more like the DeepS i knew in the religion section. Thanks to God for the admission and forced humility. Now, come with facts or keep quiet like you threatened instead of shifting goal posts and rigmarole.

No, it is you to come with facts. We all know he was convicted. Show the evidence that it was expunged. (PS - I searched online and found none - only his lawyer claims so).

And so you mean you do not see the point that your argument that he is Ambassador only helps my case further? If you truly dont, that is the 8th wonder of the world.

Thirdly, why dont you admit you lied (or were ignorant) concerning your claimed ten year limit on the validity of convictions in Nigeria? Even if this is not central to the dicussion, its a false claim you made in your desperation.

PS: I only granted you the distinction between High Consul and Ambassador to show you how meaningless your making a distinction was - and show you that it even argues for my case. In truth, there is no distinction in the particular circumstance.

kabillion:
Coalition that won't last till December. Tinubu and APC have everything covered

This picture you posted is exactly what PO will be doing if he decides to run alone outside the coalition. He will simplybe letting BAT ride on his shoulders back to Aso Rock. BAT will profit from his sweat.

RealLordZeus:
This coalition of a thing really touch APC, they did not expect it

Now they will start working on masses friendly policies and not their idi amin style...

I tell you. From this moment on, we will all witness a vast reduction in draconian policies. They will finally start to chill out of fear.

Kukutente23:
Don't mind the clown. He asked me for evidence that it was the presidency that first claimed the existence of subsidised dollars. I gave him. He asked me to quote the portion of the link for him where Bayo Onanuga said so. I did. Next thing he's saying I have to provide evidence that Bayo said "subsidised dollars".

Abeg check this quote and tell me if Bayo is not saying that Buhari govt subsidised dollars:



The guy think say na only him get craze
Him no know say na where him own end some people start

I think the problem arises because of the possible differing interpretations of the words in red bold and the words in blue bold in this statement -

"Like oil, the exchange rate was also being subsidized by the government, with an estimated $1.5 billion spent monthly by the CBN to ‘defend’ the currency."

However, I would give it to you on account of the the green bold which suggests the sense in which the entire statement is made.

Aribisala0,

You have a right of appeal.

Image123:
i told you he's not a high Consul or convicted, i asked you to establish evidence to the contrary, you refused because you goofed. Then i showed you the facts which you were unable to refute but cherry pick.
There are different diplomats and diplomatic roles, educate yourself please. For example, Nigeria's high Consul to the US is different from Nigeria's ambassador to the US. i was the one that told you with evidence that Chagoury was an ambassador so don't sidestep to diplomat.
Diplomat roles include Ambassador, High Commissioner, Consul General / Consul, Deputy Chief of Mission, attaché, permanent representative, chargé d’Affaires, honorary Consul and so on.

Let's make this simple. I goofed. He is not High Consul. He is Ambassador.
Now please be so kind as to tell me how that helps your case.
Be so kind as to tell me how it detracts one jot from my point.
Thank you.

(PS: It beats me if you cannot see that if you say he is Ambassador, and Ambassador is a higher rank than High Consul - you have even promoted my case higher. You have gone further to argue my point more emphatically. Its like me claiming that someone is Deputy MD in a conflicted position and you argue against that and say no, he is MD. That makes it worse. But you are way too slow to see the point!)

are undeniable facts, come with facts or keep quiet like you threatened instead of shifting goal posts and rigmarole.
Chagoury is not convicted in the US.
Chagoury is not convicted in Switzerland.
Chagoury is not convicted in the Vatican.
Chagoury is not convicted in St. Lucia.
Chagoury is not convicted in Nigeria.
Chagoury is only convicted in DeepS's heart and on random links.
Stick with facts, not emotions.

How can you claim he isnt convicted in Switzerland? You yourself admitted it. Show evidence that it is "expunged" as you claim.

I see you cherry pick. I have been honest and frank with you - even humble when you least expected it - but for you, you have run away from even admitting that there is nothing like a ten year limit for validity of convictions in Nigeria. But that is beside the point. The point remains that no serious government will award such a contract to a person convicted of being involved in a process of theft from it. And no worthwhile citizen will ever defend such. Simple.

And to the topic of the thread - it is abundantly obvious what BAT is doing spending 10 days in St. Lucia. Everyone knows - even you. Stop ying to yourself.

Image123:
An High Consul IS NOT an ambassador, they are two different things, learn. It's not much of a point though but a fact that Chagoury is not High Consul of St Lucia like you ignorantly claimed.

Please tell me what a High Consul is.
In doing so, I hope you know once you acede that it is a diplomatic role such as may be said of a Consular-General, there will be no point insisting further. Because the point that he represents St. Lucia at the Vatican is what counts.

Besides, tell me, lets say, I said, whoops, sorry, I meant Ambassador - tell me how that helps your case? Does that not still argue my case? How does the point change?

At all events, High Consul simply means Amabssador in the given context.

Secondly, he was never convicted in the US like you claimed. i see your many dishonest cherry picks but i will let it slide.

Very well, this I grant (I am not the proud dishonest fellow you imagine me to be) - but you see, when you pay a fine in millions of dollars over such a criminal matter, it is quite as bad as a conviction as it has the same effect in terms of your crimnal history and reputation. The truth is many criminals enter into all sorts of plea deals and agreements and arrangements and no nuanced person will disregard the payment of a fine in such circumstances.

Fact is that Chagoury avoided prosecution in Switzerland, the conviction was expunged after two years, and Swiss authorities did not pursue additional charges. i believe you know the meaning of expunge.

Only his lawyer claims that the conviction was expunged. There is no evidence of that.

Also, no Nigerian court has convicted him. In fact, alleged senior thieves like all the previous Nigerian presidents are celebrated. The Nigerian constitution doesn't take a conviction over 10 years old seriously. You can even legally and legitimately be president. This is law, not emotions.

This is NOT the law in Nigeria. There will have to be a pardon or a formal setting aside by a higher court.

Overall I must emhasize that all of this remains beside the point. No responsible government will award such a contract as the Coastal High Way to a person convicted of being involved in the theft of monies from the same government. Such should be anathema. If you justify and defend that, it is only because you have chosen probably tribalism above the patriotic and ethical interest of your country and that is truly sad.

immaculatesense:
Should I tell you what was and is still going on in his mind? Batists, should we inform him? Okay. This is it:

What if the PDP field a Southerner from the South East with a North Easterner as running mate and ADC field a Northerner from the North East and a South Easterner as running mate, and APC field a Southerner from the South West and a North Westerner as running mate? What will be the outcome?
This is the Mathematics running in the camp of the APC since they hold big sway on the PDP currently. They may be planning to field a South Easterner with a North Easterner as running mate to checkmate Atiku/Obi ticket and split their Block Votes from the Two regions.
Let me give you a DEMO calculation:
PDP = Peter Mba/Bala Muhammed
ADC = Atiku/Obi
APC = TINUBU/Kwankwaso

I am not going to let all the cats out yet, because the Mantra from PDP will be that power should remain in the South and that South East deserves it and that narrative will sell in both South East and South South. Make I no too talk. Just pray that Wike do not influence the next Convention that will produce the next working committee. If he does, the PDP will zone their ticket to the South East and VP to North East. That is the master plan for TINUBU: "Wike, leave the ADC alone, just take over the heart of PDP, we will use PDP as proxy to win the war."

DO YOUR ANALYSIS FOR US MAKE WE SEE.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Very interesting analysis.

Kukutente23:
You can keep repeating the same line
It doesn't make any difference with me
Substantiate your claim of defending the naira
That's what matters
All these rigmarole and jargons won't cut it

aribisala0:
will not work with me not interested

Where is the evidence to back up your claim that the FG said anything about subsidized dollar

You can use that tactic as a default way of admitting defeat
It is clear you have lost the argument

Both of you summarize your essential point in one paragraph not exceeding three sentences and allow me to deliberate.

Image123:
Chagoury is not High Consul of St. Lucia to the Vatican. You are wrong and only emotional again.
https://www.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/speeches/2005/december/documents/hf_ben_xvi_spe_20051201_ambassador-santa-lucia.html

Your very own link confirms this. It is a pity that you are so poorly schooled that you dont know that "High Consul" simply means Ambassador, just as "High Commissioner" means the same thing for Commonwealth Countries.

i hoped you'd be humble enough to show or st least see that you were wrong to call Chagoury and international criminal. There's no proof of this. Knowing you, you probably know this but shamefully want to run.

Why are you denying what you yourself already admitted? Didnt you yourself write about his conviction in Switzerland for money Laundering? Was that not an international crime done twixt Nigeria and Switzerland?

Chagoury first rose to notoriety in the 1990s as a close associate of General Sani Abacha, who ruled Nigeria with an iron fist from 1993 until his sudden death in 1998. Abacha looted an estimated $2–5 billion from the Nigerian treasury, much of it siphoned out of the country with the help of trusted intermediaries, Chagoury among them.

In 2000, Swiss prosecutors convicted Chagoury in connection with laundering funds tied to Abacha’s looting. He agreed to forfeit $66 million to the Nigerian government, a settlement that let him avoid prison. At the time, Swiss authorities described him as a key handler of illicit state funds.

From Vatican to West Africa: A Diplomatic Shield in St. Lucia

To protect his international standing, Chagoury cultivated deep relationships in Saint Lucia, a small Caribbean island nation. He currently serves as Saint Lucia’s Ambassador to the Holy See and Permanent Delegate to UNESCO.

These posts afford him diplomatic immunity in key jurisdictions and access to elite international forums.

https://westafricaweekly.com/gilbert-chagoury-the-convicted-money-launderer-behind-tinubus-global-image-and-domestic-ambitions/

Now let me school you further, the law is not emotion driven but facts and evidence based

You can never school me in law.

Secondly, no Nigerian court has convicted him.

So what? The conviction he suffered was on account of laundering Nigerian money and is recognized in Nigeria as funds were repatriated to Nigeria thereby. This is at all events a whimsical excuse. No serious government would award such a contract as the Coastal road to a person convicted of money laundering of funds owned by same government.

I did say I dont have your time. I have only responded to set the record straight for any others who may be deceived by you.

Thunderfayamods:
I don't care about where you from, you people should leave Lagos. Is Largos the only state in Nigeria? Lagos Lagos Lagos....haba!

Oh, so you dont know where I am from and yet you say "you people should leave Lagos" - not for one second considering whether I am in fact from Lagos.

Can you see how you people reason and make ridiculous assumptions about strangers?

Originalsly:
Did you think of dig deep before writing and posting this article? CARICOM has a population of about 15 million. The OECS ... headquartered in St Lucia has a total population of 500 000. We're talking LGA. Imagine Brazil President coming to an LGA to build trade and cultural and financial ties and this will move the needle in Brazil. Will you swallow this? What will these OECS countries be selling?...when their main source of revenue is tourism? ... tourists off of cruise liners? Nigeria using the already established trade platform with the US ... they mainly export spices ..."the Spice Islands"... what will be coming from Nigeria to get to the US via the OECS? ...yams? ...cassava? ...from halfway around the earth? ...forget the condition it will meet ...what price will it meet at? ...then duties ... competing with the same goods but duty free to other Caribbean countries. What can Nigeria be possibly trading that is not available from CARICOM member states? Let's not even talk about getting into the US. Would CARICOM countries be foolish to jeopardize their trade status with the US by allowing Nigerian goods to be smuggled under their name? Five corners coming out of the OECS destined for th US will raise red flags . Cultural bridges .... like? ...Davido or Wizkid crossing the Atlantic to go play for 5 000 people? ... in St Lucia maybe 500? Acrobats?... already been there and even in South America wayyy before this visit . Nollywood? .... been there ....dead and buried nearly two decades ago .... cannot be resurrected. So if none of the abov makes sense ...what does?

Afriimbank .... I can see their role ... money laundering. These tiny islands have their own banks set up to launder and hide money. Does Tinubu have money to launder and stash? Trade ...thee island have nothing to offer Nigeria in terms of goods except spices. Combine this with the reality that lots of drugs... these small islands are used as transit points for drugs ...cocaine from South America...and local weed . Maybe somebody is setting up the trading of goods as a front to smuggle cocaine to Africa and then to Europe. Whatever Tinubu is up to .....it is no good.

Sensible and well written. I advise you not to waste your energy with Image123.

The kind of despicable things some Nigerians desperately defend shows us exactly why we deserve our situation as a nation.

Image123:
Chagoury is not High Consul of St Lucia, please stop lying. Also provide proof that he's a felony and international criminal. Thanks.

He is High Consul of St. Lucia to the Vatican.

And no, I don't need to provide any evidence that he is an international felon. You already found some yourself didn't you?

As I said, one of the curses developing nations suffer from is having citizens like you. I will not waste my time further on you.

Skyfornia:
To run hotel business is now risky...I think it's time they make it mandatory for CCTV cameras to be placed even inside hotel rooms. Fvck privacy!!

Hallways and reception are enough. The man would be spotted with that.

If you put it in rooms the potential for blackmail is too great.

Mindlog:
Nigerians should be proud of Gilbert Chagoury?Delusion Promax.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

You can just imagine what our compatriots have descended to in their desperation to support BAT either on account of tribalism or I have no idea what delusion.

Image123:
This is politics, i don't walk by mere allegations and gist, i walk by evidence. i learned very long time ago that all politicians have baggage, they are not my spiritual models. We are not discussing saints or heaven here.

I have seen all of the disgraceful and shameful epistles you wrote. You should be ashamed of yourself. You are here arguing for gangsterism in government.

At the end of the day what kind of a country do you want? This Chagouri is a felon, an international criminal and his cooperation with BAT has been both extensive and criminal. The latest scam - the illegally granted Lagos Calabar Coastal Road bears testament - a scandalous contract awarded to an international felon without appropriation and without recourse to the BPP regulations. Without any competitive tender whatsoever. Simply given illegally to the President's best friend who happens to be an international convict.

In what normal country will the government award that kind of contract automatically to a convicted fraudster? And you celebrate this?

Is that the kind of country you want?
When you list all the projects he has done, is it not on account of the same criminal friendship? What do you see that as, if not evidence of corruption? How can the number one partner of your president be an international felon and you see nothing wrong with that. Rather you find it convenient to sweep aside your false Christianity to suddenly become practical in your considerations?

And to the topic, after all this, it just happens by accident that when the president decides to spend ten days in an irrelevant Carribbean country, it is one in which the same international felon is High Consul.

Must everything be written out for you before you see it? Must a mafia steal your country blind before you wake up? What kind of country do you want, I repeat.

You mention that Chagouri is friends with people like Bill Clinton. So what? Do you know the amount of criminals that are friends with powerful presidents and ex presidents? Do you know a lady called Elizabeth Holmes of the Theranos infamy? She went to jail after a huge scam which she successfully roped Bill Clinton and even the late Henry Kissinger into investing in. Someone like that, you will say, oh, look, Clinton is her friend, Kissinger is her friend. And yet she was jailed as a criminal, just as surely as your Chagouri is a big time international rogue.

You say that BAT operates with the NASS seamlessly. You are truly lost forever. You can't even recognize it when a president has captured the legislature such that they can no longer check him. You can't recognize when all arms of government have been intimidated and enslaved. You can't recognize an emergent dictatorship.

One of the greatest curses that can befall any developing country struggling to find itself is to have citizens like you.

Do you know what Stockholm Syndrome is?

Thunderfayamods:
If I am exploited that is my business okay? Majority of governors do the same they pick who will be loyal to them. Meanwhile make una leave Lagos alone e no kocern una.

Why should I leave Lagos?

Do you know where I am from?