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9japride:
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That person you quoted was right. They just want a dummy.
Why can't they support Peter Obi who has shown willingness to work?
Maybe they have forgotten how the country protested especially in the northern region against GEJ government.
It seems there are some forces that want the country to remain in an archaic system?
Tinubu has shown that he's no push over and himself is a matter of the 9ja kind of politics.
They should wait till he Finishes he's duration of government.
During GEJ time though things were better, but at the same time there were a lot of wastages and leakages in the country's resources.
We can do better by electing the right person.
Religion and tribalism will keep affecting the decision making of people in electing the right ones.
My best advice is for every region to manage themselves. Let those who like Godfatherism and archaic ways of life should be left to do their things, while others can do what's best for them.
Why is the UK not one country? You think the whites don't know what's best for them?
Due to nobody has the real zeal to make things work because it's nobody's property, it will be difficult for things to work effectively.
Greed and wickedness won't make people think properly.

Bro, I can't quarrel with what you say. Na so.

WorldRichest:
Of course, they want a dummy that they can push around. Tinubu has shown them pepper.

This is good news for we the BATists. So the small votes that Bitter Hero Beer Obituary got the other time will be shared with Goatluck Jonathan in 2031. Definitely, it is the god of Politics Emilokan JAGABAN that is sponsoring this move.

Come, can I ask you a question. Are you buying things cheaper than you bought them at the beginning of last year?

casualobserver:
Says someone whose father is his mothers brother!

The owners of Nairaland did the intelligent amongst us a disservice by not including an ignore button for the teeming army of Down syndrome sufferers and spastics just disturbing people to get attention.

Yawn.

CyrusVI:




Mega-Super Loss dey wait all of una

GEJ no even get the strength to dey drag this kin thing again. He is mentally tired to do this. Same North that betrayed him after Yaradua's death, now they wanna use him like a disposable tool again. He should be smarter than this



As for this sectional North, Its all wild imaginations till they get beaten in their own game again

A stamp from Sultan and Emir Sanusi would sway the whole almajiri vote behind APC again.

In a delicate period like this, we need a strong man and not some weakling that was manipulated all through by Stella Oduah,NOI and Diezani

I strong, I strong, I destroy the economy in one day.
Is that what we need?

casualobserver:
I blame your father for not using a condom and your mother for not having the sense to close her legs to a man who obviously could not afford to educate his children properly.

Such situations only produce du11ards who became a burden on society

What a filthy low life. Shoooo.

casualobserver:
What exactly is your point? Have I not told you to stop making a bigger fooool of yourself than you already have or to stop mentioning me if you have nothing smart to say?


You get insulted because you post like a r3tard.

I have already made my views on the jet known clearly and unequivocally. So why are you mentioning me? Is it that you cannot read, do not understand English or you just have a low IQ? Which is your disability?




What the hell is wrong with you?

Yawn. You are far dafter than I thought. So you cannot see the issues which arise in the OP in terms of your previous idiocy?

Casualobserver.

Cough, cough.

Oh sigh. The insults that will follow ehn. God dey.

blowjohn:
Ok I get u.

But then look at the outcome

What was the outcome oga?
Is it not death and destruction and should the creator not be held responsible for that?

blowjohn:
Understand the context.
He cannot wrestle against God.

He wanted to be like God.


12 “How lyou are fallen from heaven,

O 4Lucifer, son of the morning!

How you are cut down to the ground,

You who weakened the nations!

13 For you have said in your heart:

m‘I will ascend into heaven,

nI will exalt my throne above the stars of God;

I will also sit on the omount of the congregation

pOn the farthest sides of the north;

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,

qI will be like the Most High.’

15 Yet you rshall be brought down to Sheol,

To the 5lowest depths of the Pit.

We are saying the same thing oga, wanting to be like God and contesting against God, what is the difference?

blowjohn:
Did u not read how Lucifer was thrown down from heaven?

Nowhere is it mentioned that Lucifer contested against God.

What do you mean by this? Why was he thrown down from heaven if he didnt contest against God?

blowjohn:
The logic escapes u because even ur most brilliant self cannot fathom even the tiniest understanding of him.

That is why HE IS GOD.

If he is GOD, why does his own creation such as Lucifer become a battle for him?
An omnipotent GOD cannot be contested with, much less tempted, much less become jealous of things he allegedly created.

correctguy101:
This una god and his competitiveness with everyone and everything sef...

We thought you people claims he created everything in the universe? Why the competition everytime, o the extent he's plagued with jealousy ? E dey jealous his own creatures again? Or you'd rather admit the other gods are independent of him?

The logic escapes me...

Wetin even concern me with the wahala.... SMH

Thank you sir.

And what you have said tells why the whole idea of Lucifer in Christianity is so silly.

What creature can be the opponent of its creator?

AntiMarxist:
NNPC is a bottomless money pit that needs to be liquidated asap.

What we need are for local investors to take over their assets so that they can compete against Dangote's mega refinery.

Trying to get NNPC with its institutionalised corruption to function as a profit making company and at the same time as a govt service corporation is the height of madness.

Sell it off and dissolve it's management board and give everyone working there sack letters.

Atiku said it, and everyone shouted on him. Now he has been proven right.

lexy2014:
oga, what is the difference? does it not still boil down to indiscipline?

do you think married men who sleep around started sleeping around when they got married or they had a life of indiscipline before getting married?

if it happens all the time, does it negate the fact that it is all about indiscipline?

am not sure you even read my previous post....You can't blame sexual urge for rape and infidelity. Sexual urges are meant to be controlled. If we can't control it, how are we better than animals?

Are you Deeper Life?
Dont you know people have recreational sex?

lexy2014:
The more reason you need discipline so you don't do ridiculous things.

Indiscipline is the reason people rape and the reason married folks spend their income on small girls instead of sitting at home with their wives

You can't blame sexual urge for rape and infidelity. Sexual urges are meant to be controlled. If we can't control it, how are we better than animals?

Bro, I am not even talking of rape or infidelity. I just mean the normal way a man will see one small skirt and spend his salary on it out of konji. Single man oh. It happens all the time.

lexy2014:
not konji. indiscipline

My dear brother, I agree, indiscipline. But let us also admit that sexual urges are natural and sometimes push people to do ridiculous things.

Axis313:
She no even fine sef.
I wonder which goat find this baby chimpanzee attractive.
But then,konji na real bastard.

As in, dont joke with konji.

emkz:
Well, dear Nairaland Moderators, certain people are allergic to the sight of snakes. The sight can make people's skin crawl.

We need to pay attention please.

I am still at a loss why snake threads are relevant here.

Because there was once a Prophet of Serpents who governed this board and verily, his name was lalastic. . . .

diamond68:
to be honest with you the two standouts on that list are awo and obasanjo and I have to grudgingly give the title of the greatest Yoruba man that was ever created on this planet to obasanjo. This man’s life has been unparalleled in the history of this country, fought in a civil war, took a few bullets like fifty cent and lived, has been jailed, and has ruled the country for a grand total of 12 years and is now a CIA secret agent 🕵️‍♂️ Lmaooooo and over 80 and still alive and kicking playing football every weekend. That is the greatest man born of woman that has ever existed on that soil called Nigeria . OBASANJO THE GOAT

deepsight

You said democracy is nothing so there is no basis to discuss.

Mind you, you miss the contradiction in celebrating OBJ's presidency when democracy is nothing and when the bull that was slaughtered to bring in OBJ died for nothing according to you.

thesicilian:
Leave them.
They don't know that the more they ridicule their president online the more their own reputations nosedive in the eyes of outsiders the world over.

Au contraire, acceptance and praise of such a president is bound to make us appear as the wretched fools that we really are.

Standing up against such an abhorrent, insidious criminal as a leader would have the opposite effect: it would shew us as a people of principle and worthy standards before the world.

diamond68:
that yua name, we go change am from deepsight to shallowsight 🤣😄

No wahala. I gree. Have a good day.

Wainey:
it wouldn't have, Tinubu is not the real problem of Nigeria, our real problem is those that benefits from the corruption.
They will do anything to fight the policies that will be for the greater good of everyone.

You can't flush those people out of the system no matter how many times we change govt.
If we want to fight them, we need to have a complete restructuring, we need to totally change the entire system. Obi, Atiku, Tinubu and the rest will have to give way

Reality is reality and grammar is grammar. In reality, we all know our lives became far harder and far worse the very day Tinubu resumed. You can speak grammar from now till eternity to argue otherwise. Reality is reality.

diamond68:
democracy of looters and thieves and cut throats ? Is that one democracy ? So basically he died for nothing because the country is worse off . Just like that his legacy is the introduction of looters and thieves masquerading as democrazy men. All came to nought. His legacy that is. But pa Awo ? We still Dey chop hin legacy. I myself attended OAU. The best times of my life. Wonderful institution.

Good afternoon.

diamond68:
come on bro learn to argue logically. When people say the greatest Yoruba men ever, what are yorubas known for ? For being very serious and very principled and elder statesmen and great achievements and dignity and service to the people. These are the criteria but here you are naming a man who is the opposite of all these qualities. Your argument is so watery that your only criteria is that he drives around mushin and surulere distributing 10 Naira each to poor people. Very watery and weak argument

My central argument has been his sacrifice for our democracy. But you said democracy is nothing. So if you can say that, then I give up. Because with that view, there is no plank for us to have any meaningful conversation.

You actually ignored that and started mocking with Mushin and ten naira. How can I take you seriously.

I have better things to do ojaare.

Max24:
I appreciate your response and value it. I like people who argue issues intellectually not abuse because we all learn from it . The bottom line is making Nigeria better. Now ther is an important aspect of subsidy that nobody has addressed here. Part of the reason subsidy has to go is that in effect we are not just subsidizing ourselves. We are subsidizing all our West African neighbors or more. Are we Father Christmas? Can we sustain that? All those other countries are our fuel cheaply and developing over us since they are smaller and more manageable. We can't be penny wise and pounds foolish. As I speak to you, tell me any African country selling fuel at lower price than us - Ghana, SA, Egypt, Kenya, Coteviire. The effect is that we are attracting ants to ourselves for their own purpose while we think they love us. We will cry the day the fuel dries up and we have not developed alternatives. We need to be more businesslike in the way we manage our main resource. We should not waste it simply because we produce it. Like I said if we do, we will cry the day it finishes. Let our oil be like gold, let's not use it to play with anybody including our neighboring brothers

Fair enough, but my issue with this argument is that it amounts to the government punishing the people for its incapacity in terms of containing smuggling. Just the way it punished the people for its inability to deal with the corruption within the subsidy system. The actual subsidy was not unbearable but it got ridiculously inflated by corruption. Rather than deal with that corruption they chose to punish the people.

diamond68:
lol bro you keep talking about this democracy like it’s a great thing. So he died so a bunch of looters can take over. This country was way better under military rule which reminds me I need to put TUNDE IDIAGBON under the list of great men. Bro we are talking about morally upright principled elder statesmen who command respect here like jakande and awo etc and you are here naming rich party animals with 50 wives and 300 children as the greatest Yoruba men. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 make we add Shona Rambo join as a great Yoruba man then 😄🤣

It's obvious you are not being serious. It's like I have wasted my time.

diamond68:
Ok am sorry

Thank you.

Now here are my points. Rememeber I said that sometimes even through our flawed nature we are chosen for certain inimitable deeds. True, MKO was highly flawed, greedy, corrupt, a "friend" of the military, and kept a ridiculously large harem of women with an unwieldy home. He was also inordinately ambitious. But you see, when great things must be done, the gods will seldom send a saint to do them. Winston Churchill who the Brits venerate for his role in WW2 was no saint for example. Not only was he personally depraved and hedonistic, he was also one of the greatest racists of all time. My point is that you seem to be expecting a saint as a saviour at the critical moment in history. It scarcely happens like that. Rather a mere mortal - warts and all - with a thousand flaws will show up and save the day.

Such was it with MKO. The truth remains that without his personal struggle, we will not have the democracy we have today. Please point me to one individual who paid a greater price or had a bigger role in the delivery of the 4th republic if you can, and you will see my point.

So beloved was MKO at the hieght of his popularity (and this was on account of his great philanthropy) that he won even in Kano, the homestead of his opponent. That great philanthrophy is what you are failing to recognize by watering it down as "any rich man." No - Is Dangote so beloved? Is Otedola so beloved? Is Adenuga so beloved? Jim Ovia? Tony Elumelu? Name any one. Not one single one of them is as beloved as MKO was on account of his great philanthrophy and famed generosity of spirit. This is a man who would drive by churches and mosques and poor people and stop to give out money all the time. This trait endeared him to the masses like no one else. And when the critical time came, we gave him our mandate and he stood with it till he was murdered as a sacrificial lamb for our freedom. That, my friend, is enough to immortalize a man, no matter how flawed he was otherwise.

Therefore I think you are being disrespectful and ungrateful to someone who practically laid down his life for your freedom. Whether you believe it was out of ambition is neither here nor there - because without his death, you will not have your democracy today. And the fact remains that he could have walked away and lived.

Conversely you keep repeating OAU as though it is the only university in the world. How many universities are there in Nigeria for heavens sake, is OAU the only one? How many people have established universities? Many. Look, at the end of the day it was a governement project, not a personal one. It is as absurd as crediting Tafawa Balewa for the establishment of UNILAG in 1962, since he was the Prime Minister.

And on a personal note, I noticed you completely ignored what I said about Awo being a war criminal. Is it that you think it does not matter? Or do you doubt that he admitted being the brain behind the starvation which was deployed as a weapon of war during the civil war? Do you not realize that that was a war crime and taints his legacy? Aside from this, tell me why he was never able to win a national election. Do you not realize that this shows that he was strictly a Western Regional champion and never a true nationalist?

I like Obasnajo very much, but I repeat, there would be no Obasanjo without the slaughtering of the bull that was MKO. Furthermore, OBJ also has his warts. We all know that he is one of the most fantastic hypocrites you can ever think of, although he was still one of our best presidents ever if not the best.

You can laugh at my love for Fela and denigrate him as "that man who wears pant and smokes igbo".. . . . but life is deeper than that. The world will be nothing without certain crazy people and some kinds of greatness are only found in crazy people. If you dont understand this, I cant help you.

diamond68:
lol bro don’t chicken out from the argument after you have seen the folly of your arguments 😃

I have chickened out, thank you, I dont like unnecessary insults especially in a serious discussion. If you wish to continue, I demand an apology, because no where did I insult you.

Lookmun:
f you say that the allocations to state governments is higher and you don’t even have a concrete plan on how to use the funds to alleviate the direct problems that the subsidy removal will cause, you need to think circumspectly.

Even this point about allocations to states being higher is lost on me. Why? Because what is the point increasing my salary by 100 per cent when the cost of living has increased by 300 per cent? One cancels out the other, simple. The 100 naira of last year is worth only 30 naira of last year now. Therefore in real terms the so called increase in allocations is useless.

It is very much like the increase in minimum wage which has brought an amount that cannot buy what the former minimum wage could buy last year.

In every direction, the government has defeated itself.

diamond68:
so being a generous person is a criteria for being one of the greatest Nigerians that ever lived ? You are smoking something. MKO who in death his family fell apart and went broke because he was only about his own pleasures of partying and marrying many wives and fathering millions of children. An irresponsible man who wanted to be president so as to loot money to feed his many children after he had already looted ITT. This is your definition of someone greater than AWO who today in death his legacy lives on because his university churns out graduates every year and is one of the top rated universities in the world. Have you seen the architecture of OAU ?

You crazy bro but then again what do you expect from someone who chooses a man who walks about in pant and smokes Igbo as the greatest Yoruba man ever 🤣🤣

I have not insulted you, but as with those who lack a serious logical argument, you have already resorted to insults. If that is the way you want to go, I will leave the matter for you.

Macphenson:
I never knew as calamitious and incompetent as Buhari was, he will be better than any other president not to talk of the self acclaimed Jagaban and city boy.

That anyone could turn out worse than Buhari - and Tinubu of all people - is one of the greatest mysteries of the universe.

Max24:
Was there no inflation in US during the time of trump? Even UK removed subsidy on different items at different times in their best interest. But nobody has answered my question. What did we achieve with the fuel subsidy we benefited from since independence?

My dear, look let me not waste time going through the philosophy of the matter - which I can see we will disagree on based on your posts with other people up there. I will only say that the IMF/ Bretton Woods prescriptions have been around for decades and have never worked in a single third world country. They have rather consistently destroyed lives and economies everywhere they have been implemented - so much so that it is obvious that the destruction of lives and the pauperization of populations is actually what those policies were deliberately designed for and history proves this.

As I said, let me not waste your time with arguing the philosophy of it - let me just go to the practicality. Let us assume you needed to remove subsidies, fine. No where in the world would you remove them in one fell swoop the way it was done in this country last year. That is unheard of. The spike in PMS price was over 200 per cent - and believe you me, I have researched this matter - there had never been such an increase in the price of PMS in a single day in any country in the world. Other countries which removed subsidies did so gradually over time in order to reduce the shock to the system. One does not have to be an economist to know that the ripple effects on the prices of other commodities will lead to hyper-inflation which is what has obviously happened. And there is no way that is good for the economy. If it must have been done, it should have been done in phases. Carefully managed phases.

Now as if that was not bad enough, you then proceeded to float the naira immediately at the same time. This was the biggest disaster of all. You have to understand a number of things. First is that an import dependent economy cannot afford to float or devalue its currency, That is a prescription for suicide. Because if you import everything you use, as we do, then you are spending USD all the time and if you devalue your currency then you will require more and more of your currency to procure less and less USD and that will finish you off in a vicious cycle - because the more USD you chase the more your currency will fall.

But it was not just this obvious principle that made it a disaster - what made it the greatest disaster is the fact that you are importing the said PMS you have removed subsidies from. You are paying USD for the PMS, and thus it stands to reason that once your currency falls, you will pay even more USD for that PMS and this is why the landing cost of PMS has become so high, that it is now obvious that the government is in fact still paying some subsidy to retain the price at circa N600 - because based on the exchange rate it should be over N1, 000.

Therefore by flloating the naira at the same time as removing subsidy, the FG actually defeated the purpose of subsidy removal.

The net result has been the death, destruction and unspeakable hardship which has followed. The truth is that these policies are ill thought out and they have never succeded in any third world country where they have been prescribed, and they frankly were not intended to.

Now, to adderss your question "what have we acheived through fuel subsidy since indpendence" - the answer is very simple and it is staring you in the face. Sometimes you dont know what you have until you lose it. The safety net that the economy had from this kind of devastation and hardship is what we acheived. Just compare the ecomony of a mere one and a half years ago to what obtains today and you will see the difference. That is what it is.

No economy can grow when you deflate it and take away the purchsing power of the people. Everywhere economies have grown, there has been an injection, and not a deflation. The devaluation of the naira accompanied with hyper inflation has made every Nigerian vastly poorer. And there is nothing positive about a pauperized population - let no one deceive you - there is no long term gain in such. It will only ever deliver death and hardship.

Finally please stop comparing the removal of subsidies in places like the UK with what has happened here. Not only are the subsidies not the same and the products being subsidized not the same, the entire picture is different. This is aside from the fact that no one was insane enough to remove 100 percent of a critical subsidy in a single day. Anyone who does that to his country is bent on destroying it.

cc nairalanda1 / kukutenla / kukutente23.