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Maynman:
The trinity was created by Tertulian during the Nicene council and has nothing do with etymology or you mean the etymology of the latin word “trinity”?

No I mean the fact that people can use the same words and yet have different concepts of the attributes of the deity they refer to with the same word.

Etymology means ORIGIN of the word, people in their MIND can create opinions of that word but the fact and origin of that word remains unchanged.

Islam, which is what I was referring to, does not teach that Allah has children. However you have clarified that you are not referring to Islam.

Maynman:
They are semitic languages and they mean same thing except in hebrew bible and quran.

Okay then, fair enough: I think the point is settled here since you say "except in (the) hebrew bible and quran."

Maynman:
Did you get my point that you don’t know the etymology of Allah?

I have since invited you to school me on it. I am happy to learn.

I have also pointed out severally that notwithstanding the etymology, various people can and in fact do have different attributes in mind.
This occurs even among the denominations of Christianity where you have Trinitarians and Non-Trinitarians.

Maynman:
I said in the hebrew bible that’s TANAKH, elohim is a single deity.
Allah is also gotten from hebrew language. But you said in quran he is a single deity.
Why are you cherry-picking when to use etymology?

This is exactly why I said that same name or derived name does not mean same attributes.

Maynman:
Listen to your advice, you don’t even know the etymology of allah

Did you get my point that same name (or derived name) may not mean same attributes?

Maynman:
In Hebrew bible, elohim is also a single deity.
Cherry Picking when to use etymology? Lol

I doubt this very much and I believe there has been much mistranslation involved. Interestingly, just yesterday I listened to a Professor of the Hebrew Language (who advised the Vatican for years on Hebrew Translations) on this very point - Elohim. He absolutely demonstrated that it does not refer to a single person.

Maynman:
Listen to your advice, you don’t even know the etymology of allah

I will be glad to be educated on it.
PS: The extract you attached said nothing useful (unless I missed it and you may draw my attention to what therein specifically spoke to your point).

Maynman:
And allah refers to a single deity?

In Islam, yes.

Maynman:
Understand the context i was trying to make.
In Abramaic religion, both allah/elohim, yahweh, baal etc are sons to EL

I doubt this but perhaps I should drop it since it begins to appear you are referring to something possibly even pre-Abrahamic.
PS: Elohim, I do not think ever referred to a single entity.

Maynman:
First look up the origin of the word allah!

I have to drop this since you are not speaking about Islam.
The way your post was, somehow I thought you were referring to Islam.

Nonetheless let me just say that I still believe you need to be careful with the etymology of names you are drawing up, especially if you understand that even where some people may deploy a particular name (Allah in this case), they yet have a completely different understanding of the attributes of the entity they have in mind.

Maynman:
The greek god is called zeus!

I think you need to be careful with the Zeus thing though, because Zeus being king of the Olympian gods is not said to be the origin of all other existence in the way that the Abrahamic god is presented or in the way that we understand the word "God" as the source of all existence. Indeed, in Greek mythology, Zeus had a father, who he killed and overthrew, thereby releasing his siblings from the fathers stomach. Zeus is also presented as a being full of mischief himself, and never tired of sexual adventures. There was also an entire set of beings which preceded the gods of Olympus, of which Zeus is just one.

Maynman:
Allah existed before islam was created. And if you look in the Quran, it’s stated that allah has children

Kindly refer me to the Sura and verse, I have a Quoran right here, let me look it up

Maynman:
Allah existed before islam was created.
Have you forgotten Christianity and Islam are worshipping Abrahamaic gods?

Well that is not the Islamic conception of God.

PastorAIO:
I believe that she refers to the Satanic verses.

Well that's controversial and certainly not mainstream in terms of the Islamic notions of the attributes of God.
He/ She laid it down as something undisputed.

PastorAIO:
Yahweh means 'I am who I am'. Unless you are not who you are you too can call yourself Yahweh Abi?

I have always read that line as "I AM that I AM" - and considered it a reference to self-existence. In philosophical terms, a necessary as opposed to contingent being.

PS: This takes nothing away from my view of Yahweh as a tribal, vengeful, genocidal and blood-thirsty deity of the Jews.

Maynman:
The god in islam is called Allah, and he has children.

I doubt this. Where do you get this from? This is one of the things Islam shouts most about against Christian ideas of "God the Son."

Maynman:
And also esu is not the same as Devil/satan!

Certainly not.
I have always thought he is more akin to Loki though

Esu is very unique in my (admittedly limited) understanding

Jashub:
It's funny but this shouldn't be displayed in public. Anyway, this is Nigeria and lawlessness is always the theme of everyday

Parachoko:
You will even see people who will rejoice over this.

If Boko Haram and Armed Bandits comes out and speak against Tinubu, people will rejoice over it and call them freedom fighters.

That's how low people can go

What is wrong with it such that it should not be displayed in public? ? ? ? ? ?

Tinububalls:
Please you guys should give him his toy(Nigeria).

E gbe kini e wa!

VladimirPutiin:
3) Or she gets a simp who will tolerate all her whoring lifestyle. These kind of ladies get married to simps at the end.

Why do you guys always assume a "simp" - know ye not the varied tastes in the world? It may just be a man who actually has a taste for that sort of wild woman. And he neednt be a "simp."

zimdante:
Ok first thing first, are you a Muslim,Christian or just a freethinker?

I don't subscribe to any religion whatsoever: nonetheless I believe that there is a spiritual dimension to our being and to our reality.

zimdante:
Yes i Love Dogs too , they are wonderful but they have soul not spirit, a soul is just body and mind but the spirit is different
Although you can nuture and feed the spirit through the mind.

For you to understand these things you need to come as child, forget what you think you know, start to learn and believe.

How do you know this?

PS: It really irritates me when people assume an air of superior knowledge over esoteric and spiritual existential matters because the truth is that we are generally ignorant in the vast scheme of things. So for example when someone like Goldensword comes along and says that the Earth is the lowest plane in existence, I cannot but shake my head and wonder what gives him such certainty. For even in our minds darker realms are conceivable than what the Earth can offer. But what really riles is when he then says something like he cant be bothered to teach others, and that others should "ask around." That is not just shallow and flippant but outrightly stuupid.

As for you, what makes you think I am coming as an adult? What makes you think I have any thing I think I know?

Goldensword:
The lowest plane in existence is earth, asked around it's not my duty to educate you on spirituality stuff and journey of soul's.

Such pompous arrogance. Such egoistic presumption. Very spiritual indeed.
"Ask around." How helpful, how deep, how insightful.

Offpoint1:
I understand you bro...

The unfortunate thing is religious people would rather attack and call one names instead of attempting an answer to the questions.
The grail narrative is still another lies, given the numbers of angels who bought lucifer idea... And God's omnipresent title.

The original books had gone through a lot of modifications from different centuries/civilization.
In fact the whole truth has been conceded, I doubt those books were anything God inspiration.
They are nothing but man creative thinking, literatures and tool of mind control by the early earth rulers.

Gbam.

Offpoint1:
Angels don't have freewill? Then what happened to "Lucifer"? A being without freewill wasn't supposed to act a script not included his /her program... Where was the rebellious script recorded from?

That's a question that begs for answers

My sentiments exactly. Kindly note my words where i wrote: "please take note that I do not express it as my personal belief or creed."

There are some traditions - such as the Grail Movement - who try to cover this problem by saying that Lucifer only rebelled when he was at a "great distance" from th light pressure of the presence of God. I do not buy this either.

Offpoint1:
Still trying to understand the voodoo or hypnotizing powers employed to enslaved the minds of humans into believing they will burn or go to heaven after death.

The first punishment God biblically gave was "DEATH" no human was going to hell or heaven in the entire old book ( if I'm wrong correct me)... what happened?

Did God lie about telling Adam the consequences of the fruit? (spiritual death people hold your peace)

If God needed humans in heaven he would have created in heaven just like He did the Angels. What's the point of going through earth before heaven?

What did God want humans in heaven for? For praises? There are more Angels in heaven than the entire human past, present and future populations. What services are you going to render in heaven that those angels couldn't?
If God needed in heaven he'd created you there or even state it as his ORIGINAL plan.

I just can't wait for the judgement day if there will be any...

The idea I believe is that "angels" in "heaven" do not have free-will and have not experienced reality in a holistic way, given that they inhabit only goodness and light. And that human spirits are different as they experience both good and evil, light and darkness, and thus when they arise from the material world and return to their source they inevitably possess certain qualities which no other beings would possess.

The foregoing is my understanding of why certain religionists believe humans are special in the spiritual scheme of things in relation to "heaven" - please take note that I do not express it as my personal belief or creed.

wirinet:
It's a known fact that the universe is expanding or inflating. Evidences are abound. Now the end of the universe depends on the quantity of mass/matter it contains. If its beyond a critical value, then the inflation would slow down, stop and then reverse. Eventually it will collapse together once again into a big crunch.

1. You don't know that this universe is all that exists.

2. And even if it were, you can't tell if its existence is cyclical. Such that from a big crunch it expands again.

Goldensword:
The concept of a hellfire is wrong, because fire can't burn a soul, the only hellfire we have is this our earth, when a person die he either advance upward to other planes of existence, that's if the soul has gained the needed experiences to advance upward, or the soul will be send back to earth to start another round of learning.

If you have ever experienced either heartbreak or grief from bereavement, you will know that fire can indeed burn a soul.

Also if a soul can proceed upward to higher planes I wonder why you think it cannot proceed downward to lower planes.

zimdante:
Do you really believe that? the early men perished because they didn't know, it will be a shame to end here on earth like dogs and other animals without using the potential that you possess as a man to attain immortality.
Don't be a vanity.

Dogs are precious beings and they have souls.

wirinet:
Immortality is a ruse, a meaningless term. Everything including the universe itself will eventually come to an end.

You and I will end here on earth like any other animal.

You don't know this. In fact, you can't know this. It is completely beyond the possible knowledge of any human being.

LordReed:
I don't know what you mean by "find this to their taste", do you think someone getting hurt by a machine is something we would find tasteful?

Oh come on, old pal, I simply mean you guys might find in it some substantiation of your position that it is not inconceivable for AI to be or become self-conscious.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/24/chess-robot-grabs-and-breaks-finger-of-seven-year-old-opponent-moscow

Lordreed, Diridiri & Co might find this to their taste.