₦airaland Forum

MaxInDHouse:
God created man in His own image {Genesis 1:26} and because they have the nature of the God who can be blamed if He err man must blame himself for not living up to expectation as the one and only earthly creature made in the likeness of God! Romans 3:23

This is upside-down reasoning. It is exactly because man is said to be created in the image of God that the matter is so damning for God - because the nature of man then effectively discloses the nature of God.

justcool:
Human beings are supposed to be portals or dispensers of Love.

I would rather say that mankind are portals and dispensers of every potential tendency in existence and not just love.

After incarnating on earth mankind could have made this earth a reflection of paradise over time. Had they kept to the laws of creation, overtime, they would have evolved their physical bodies to the point where it doesn’t require meat eating anymore; by now mankind should have become vegetarians. However, mankind failed in evolving to this stage. Hence our present earth bodies still require meat eating.
Also, had mankind not failed in unfolding their spiritual gifts, animals would also have been driven to further along in their development. Love, emanating from the human sprits would have permeated everything, even the animals, making them milder and less aggressive.

One thing I find disconcerting among many theists is the tendency to blame mankind for every evil in the universe. An Adherent friend of mine once argued on this same subject that if man were well behaved, no such creatures as mosquitoes, flies, maggots and other such would even come into existence at all. And that they exist because of the evil of man. I had to shake my head at the fact that he ignored the ancient role all these play in the ecosystem. Long before the time of man on Earth.

I am generally of the view that a creator cannot blame a created thing for its faulty nature. There is a thread where I discussed this. No matter how you slice it dice it, a fundamental responsibility as to the nature of a created thing rests with its creator. I dont understand why man is in such a hurry to excuse his creator from the problem of evil, heaping it exclusively on himself, when it is evident that evil well transcends infinitesimal mankind.

justcool:
Oga deepsight

A broken or failed electric bulb sits sadly in darkness wondering why the house builder did not provide a device that would illuminate or light up the house.

Long time great brother.
I hear you. But I think we are saying different things.
You are talking about something broken or failed.
I am saying that the fundamental construct itself, where working fine, is cruel.

So for example, the very dictate that living things must consume other living things to live. This is fundamental. It did not arise by reason of man's failure. Its fundamental to Earthlife. And this inescapably provides for certain strife in nature - which, even if arguably healthy for the system, does not dispose of animal suffering therein.

wirinet:
Human had always been hunting themselves from the very beginning. Even with all the conflicts and wars going on today, this period still remains the most peaceful when compared with the past.

Not if you include the past century.

Jakumo:
Dead men may not be able to lift a finger, but peer-reviewed scientific data has confirmed that their manhood in fact lives on.

Sir 'Kumo! Always touche!

yemmit90:
This GEJ lacks integrity and shameless.

No matter the kind of futune attach to a gift like this, I can never accept it.

Besides, how do they think that a sane Nigerian will vote for Jonathan again.

How did sane Nigerians vote for Buhari twice?

AMGBoss:
Corruption 2.0. Nigerians don't learn.

Can you beat your chest and say that Buhari has undertaken any visible fight against corruption in this country?
Who raised up Ganduje's hand for a second term after the dollar stuffing video?

Slurity:
Your knowledge on a Nigeria constitution is little in the area of constitution, may be someone need to remind you how Sanusi left that position. Emefiele has no right to even contest for any political positions as a sitting CBN president in the first place.

Thank you for the bold.
And I will be shocked if Mynd44 does not know the red.

Mynd44:
He ordered them to resign meaning if they don’t, they will be sacked.

But the president cannot sack Emefiele which means the order has na effect on Emefiele

Validated:
President CANNOT sack nor order CBN governor to resign. This circular is another goof from Buhari. Watch as they will issue an amended version tomorrow.

Don't deceive yourself. People argued this point with me over SLS and GEJ. I think we all saw what happened.

ifyken:
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It's definitely racism,hippotamuses do not sit on boat and fish.

Jakumo:
Hahaha a football match was indeed won when the Diabolical Dwarf Sanni "The Pipe" Abacha hung pipe to an Indian hooker one last time that wonderous day in 1998. The score was Nigeria 1: Tyranny Zero.

Only a people that have languished under arbitrary state terror can fully comprehend why the deaths of some rulers are cause for wild jubilation with every bar in town sold out of beer. Mad Vlad Putin is one such feared and loathed Maximum Leader, who after 22 years corruptly in power, now stares mortality in the face while the unwarranted war he ordered wipes a civilization from Europe's map, cities, towns, factories, humans, and all.

My family screamed hurray, we ran out into the streets and everywhere there was shouting of joy. We all felt the lifting of a dark yoke palpably and personally.

ChildOfDoom:
Deepsight danidani adonis86 ntipro you can drop your advice on this abandoned thread. My mails not working

Hi. Please reach me by fire by force. U will NOT be a child of doom.
Mail me on sightdeep@gmail.com

PastorMIsBack:
Perhaps this is what is putting most people off (I'm only thinking aloud before anybody slays me).

You have to go into a forest etc.

With Christianity, you simply believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and you shall be saved.
Simple.

And does it not occur to you that there is something manifestly ritualistic about the idea that one must -

1. Call a fellow human being Almighty God
2. Believe that he was born of a Virgin
3. Believe that he was tortured and slaughtered as a sacrifice for the propitiation of sins (effectively believing in ritual human sacrifice)
4. Hold on to the idea of this ritual human sacrifice as the source of one's redemption.

How is it that we Africans are so clear eyed when it comes to seeing the "paganism" and "barbaric ritualism" in our own traditions, but are so blind to seeing same even when manifestly obvious in other traditions. Is this a chronic self hatred, inferiority complex or what? ? ?

PastorAIO:
You go into Igbodu (the forest of Odu) and get initiated, that is the process called Itefa. They open the calabash of Odu and you look inside.




Odu is talked about a lot in Ofun Meji, that is an Ifa odu (small letter odu).

Ogbaragada li o dia fun Odu
Ogbaragada made the divination for Odu
when Odu was going to create all the character in the world (Iwa gbogbo)
He was told to make sacrifice.
Four poles and one big calabash with a lid and a chain.
He heard and made the sacrifice
No one would ever question his authority he was told.
He should plant the 4 posts and place the calabash on them
and use the Chain to attach the poles to his hands.
He did as he was told.
The day Odu created all the characters and forms in the world is called Oodua ( Odu ti o da Iwa).
He created all that exists within the calabash
We and all creation are all living inside that calabash.



A deep study of Ofun Meji will reveal that those 4 posts are nothing other than the 4 Elements that Hermetic traditions tells us that the world is made out of. White, Red, Yellow, and Black.

Ose ore.

PastorAIO:
Itefa is the Ifa initiation.

Odu is the sacred wife of Orunmila, the womb of the world, a sacred container, a deep mystery.

Can you expatiate on this please? And how do men

PastorAIO:
I've found out that Women can witness Odu but only post menopausal women. Any fertile woman that sees Odu will have her womb ruined. Perhaps being charged naturally with Odu already it will cause an imbalance in femininity.

How do men witness Odu please.

ChildOfDoom:
hmm. I also have lots of debts piled up (both online and physical creditors). It will take something extraordinary to clear them. This has created a bad name for me anywhere I stayed. It will always put me in hiding and my children might end up inheriting these debts or curses from those I tricked

Don't give up. Chart a new course and start with a single step: the world and history are full of unbelievable turn-arounds.
Marriage and having children are not the most important things in life: indeed they are not for everyone.

The world is a school for conscious beings and what you have been through is nothing but the school of life. What is key in life is having deep aspiration towards worthy personal goals, and striving with determination towards them. Gird your loins, find a quiet time, look deep within your spirit, and you will find the strength you need for a new life.

Believe. There can be a new you, and a new day.

ChoCho54:
What's wrong with you guys?

That question was very valid until you people started quoting the Op out of context and he fell for the prank.

Having served gods for that long, do you think that guy is still a mere mortal?

His subsequent comments give a lie to your interpretation: its quite clear he meant it in a denigrating sense.

lexy20I4:
This is my picture and everyone know me here as Kriss216,that's my main account.
Post yours let's see.

You look like a poverty stricken low class riff raff bro, no offense. Just truth.

wirinet:
That my fear and surprise, that 41.8% of the French population voted for a far right extremist. It shows that far right ideals and ideas are growing in France and in Europe. In the near future they will take over governments in Europe.

They have to do something about the growth of Islam. Otherwise the future of Europe is Islamic. If you don't want to see a Sharia Europe in future, right wing governments may be necessary.

plaetton:
There is nothing new about foreign intelligence agencies meddling in the affairs of nations. Nothing new about that at all.

One consistent trait about conspiracy theory Nutheads is the delusion that they are privy to important secrets that everyone else does not know.

The man may be a nut job, but he has walked the corridors of power and has frolicked with people of power virtually all his life, so its not inconceivable that he may indeed know a thing or two which remain unknown to the generality of the public.

I recall his TedX speech a long time ago on the alleged beheading of Gideon Akaluka by Sanusi Lamido, which was quite insightful.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLFLfVXGUFs

plaetton:
Useless conspiracy theory Nutcase is off his meds again.

He forgot to mention that he is part of the rapacious Nigerian political elite that steal everything they can whenever there is an opportunity.
FFK is as much an opportunist and a liability to our commonwealth as his political friends.

Some things in there are undeniably true: such as the involvement of foreign intelligence services in some critical events in our political history: particularly certain deaths of key actors.

NairalandSARS:
Yes, of course. I see life as unnecessary.

You know, in spite of my self and my pessimistic take as expressed above in this thread already, I have to say that there is a paradox inherent in this statement. Because if there were no life, there would be no one capable of arriving at the assessment that life is unnecessary in the first place. Therefore it is difficult to properly situate the meaning of this necessity which is talked about here. What would, by contrast, be "necessary" in a world without life, and what would it be necessary for? ? ? You see the problem?

Jakumo:
We are patiently awaiting our amiable Chairman Slawomir to render his learned opinion about this weed party.

How was the drink called "dead man's fingers" prepared, and who is now going to drink the seized exhibit?

Oya Chairman, please do the needful. This topic calls for your attention.

Finally, can we repose confidence that the Royal Order of Cannabis Connoisseurs ( Abuja Chapter) will rise to the occasion and pay bail so that their members can be allowed to go home pending a trial date?

Slawomiir

MaxInDHouse:
And who told you he's the one who defined my faith?

Oh please.

If truthfully the purpose is for SELF DEFENSE and the ruler of the invaders has given me the ultimatum to evacuate the premises he's eyeing, the best form of defense i can think of is taking my families away from that place safely instead of picking up weapons against the invaders!
So it's your opinion against mine, you don't tell me i'm wrong for choosing another option to save the lives of my love ones!

And where will forty million cowards run to?
Now lets imagine it's Nigeria that's attacked, where would 200 million cowards run to ? ?
Now lets imagine it's India or China that's attacked, where would one billion cowards run to? ? ?

You are a joker.

aribisala0:
Well it is dangerous to see genuine inquiry as racist. How could accepting or denying his Igboness be "racist" I do not get that, Why??

Indeed I agree that it is dangerous to see genuine inquiry as racist, save that this particular friend was my best friend for twenty years and I know him very well. He believes in superior master races and the like, believes in Caucasian superiority, believes also particularly that the ibo have no history of note. I thus knew all too well where his disputation regarding Olaudah's origins arose from.

I find it strange that he remembers he is Eboe or Igbo but does not remember his own name or the name of any significant person from his family or clan
or any Igbo words, Not one?
It raises questions about "false memory" or confabulation but like I said I am only guessing

Also I know that many Igbo groups as we know them today did not identify as Igbo" even as recently as 1914 or later e.g . Ngwas
so I would be surprised that a small child from 200 years ago remembers he is "igbo" I would have expected a more local Identity based on clan

It could be as you say, it could also be that there are fragments in his mind which helped him identify his roots even if such identification was helped by later information acquired as he grew. Something which is nested within a human mind as young as his at the time it was said to have been uprooted is way too subjective an experience to be interrogated in certain ways. Nonetheless, so long as you are open minded on the subject, which I see you are, its no matter.

aribisala0:
Yes it is possible
My point is ultimately I do not know and it is unknowable

I just wonder is it possible to forget his names . He did not provide any "Eboe names" for himself
Also the talk of "EBOE part of Benin Kingdom" is not quite right is it?

I really wouldn't know.... I can only say with reference to the Ibo name issue that heaven knows what that kind of trauma can inflict on the mind of a child. With respect to the issue of an Ibo part of the Benin kingdom, who knows.... Benin was certainly expansive and I don't think it's inconceivable that they had expanded into land occupied by Ibos.

I am not Igbo but it really irritated me that my once upon a time friend insisted Olaudah could not be Igbo especially because I knew his stance came from a belief that the Igbo race has no history of note.

I despise all racist, ethnic and tribalist chauvinism.

Your stance seems reasonable to me.

aribisala0:
The story was challenged at the time of the writing by his contemporaries long before Nigeria was created. That is a fact so You insisting on one version over another has to have some basis.

My point is you are entitled to believe what you like but be honest about it . You DO NOT KNOW. You choose to believe .

There are many stories written in the bible , Quran and other places? All stories are questionable
His story was questionable for many reasons. There is no Eboe region of the Benin kingdom he remembered he was Eboe but could not name his village or clan or even his OWN EBOE name? There is research suggesting he was actually born in South Carolina. So choosing one version as true and the other as false has to have some basis

Even in this Nigeria stores that happen in our lifetime are debated and debatable. People argue about what caused Biafra war or what happened under Goodluck Jonathan not to talk of what happened hundreds of years ago and WAS QUESTIONED even then

So long as you leave open the possibility, I have no issue with what you are saying. My former friend who I mentioned tried to shut out the possibility altogether. Also, the fact that his memory was poor doesn't necessarily invalidate his account - for according to him, he was a little kid at the time he was taken.

MaxInDHouse:
Who defined it for you?

My friend, use your own brains instead of waiting for the white man to come setting the standard for how you should think!

You had a father, you only knew his dad but never saw his grandpa so if your dad is doing something that you've observed your grandpa also does during his lifetime and he (your dad) now told you how it all started with his own grandpa will you debunk it since you never met the man alive?

The definition white men gave atheism doesn't really matter Sir, it's the opinion that they won't obey orders from an invisible being that's all.

I don't think Charles Taze Russell was a black man.

You have confirmed it by saying you will carry weapons in support of a visible ruler with sugarcoated mouth to fight and die for his glory instead of peacefully evacuating the premises the guy is trying to retain for his own glory!

Will you stop this foul mendacity at once. You know very well I have spoken about self defense and not involvement in any aggressive war of invasion or expansion for anyone's vanity.

MaxInDHouse:
It's the same thing my friend!
As long as you can't TRUST (BELIEVE) in any being as supreme what you're saying is "i trust my own understanding" so whether you brandish it by giving it another name it doesn't change the fact that you won't obey any word from any invisible being that you can't see in order to TRUST completely. So you're an atheist!

That is not the definition of atheism.

aribisala0:
How do you know ? You read it somewhere and chose to believe. You really do not know this for a fact. No one does

The man wrote his own life story and said he was taken from an Igbo village. I don't know why so many people are determined to insist that he couldn't be Igbo. I used to have a friend who was rabidly anti-Igbo. He was ready to die on this matter, insisting that Olaudah could not be Igbo. Why?

BloomingDale:
Equiano, the name of a famous slave boy during the trans Atlantic slave trade? What is wrong with google? What kind of demeaning name is that? And Africans are celebrating? African men, Tuehhh? See as the white man dey take una play Kalo kalo. No wonder they are flogging you guys with horse whip at their border. Wish I had a horse whip to flog you guys too. Lolz.

Your stupidity is benumbing.

MaxInDHouse:
Your problem is atheism!

I am not an atheist.
My position is that God, which I define as the source of all existence, is incomprehensible and unknowable.

You don't believe (trust) in God

I believe IT exists, but as I also believe IT is too transcendental to be comprehended or known, I cannot trust it either. I cannot trust an element I cannot understand or know.

so you just feel like doing things the same way people around you does. The greatest betrayal is you putting your family at risk by going on a journey that you're not certain of coming back to take good care of your family: WAR!

So a belligerent invader attacks your country and your solution is to leave the country for them right? Where will you carry 40 million people to, in the case of Ukraine. You wish to render your people stateless, homeless refugees on account of your appalling cowardice?