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udemzyudex:
You definitely have comprehension problem.
What do you mean by Obi can not follow simple instructions are you that slow? He is the organiser of the event and how do you believe this fake story?
So you mean anybody can decide to organise an event, put out everything in the public but fail to notify the management of the school the people who will give them the go ahead to organise it?

Use your brain.

And the fact that the cancellation was on the day of the event ends the matter.

socialmediaman:
Here Are The Facts:

1. International Society for Civil Liberties and Rule of Law 2023 report:

InterSociety Report

Summary: 52,250 deaths since 2009

2023 Was the bloodiest. 9,222 religious killings (Christians murdered by Jihadists in targeted killings).

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2. Observatory for Religious Freedom in Africa (ORFA) 2022 Report:

ORFA Report

Summary: Jihadist-related actors (especially in Northern Nigeria) are targeting Christians, with protection from security forces. Between October 2019 - September 2021, 14,354 religious killings were recorded. (Christians murdered by Jihadists in targeted killings)

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3. Open Doors International (Present in at least 26 countries) documents these killings:

Open Doors Report

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4. Genocide Watch also referenced these reports:

Genocide Watch Report

Summary: 52,000 Christians killed, 18,500 abducted, and 20,000 churches and christian schools attacked.

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5. Human Rights Watch (HRW) has documented evidence with stories, faces of victims, churches, properties and so on

HRW Report

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Armnesty International, Council on Foreign Relations, United Nations and so on have similar reports and findings.

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If you disagree with these facts, let's see your own documented counter facts. No long talk, present your own counter facts if you disagree.

Well done. I salute your detailed response. However don't expect that that fellow will agree that the sun is a star or that the Earth is a planet on this matter.

Interesting how he has disappeared since this post.

QuinQ:
What are you talking about? Trump has done many, many wrong things and infact IMO is not a very nice person - like, say, Obama or Biden. But u don't have to be very nice to be great!

Sorry he ain't great. He is a lout only worshipped by idiots.

QuinQ:
And how will you make a person who virulently hates Trump miss him?
Question: What would convince you that an assassination attempt on Trump was real?
Answer: nothing in heaven or earth except death of the president

What would convince you that Trump has ever done any wrong? Answer: Nothing in heaven or hell.

Kobojunkie:
1. History in the 20th century teaches us that those whose religion does not include the threat of hellfire, and exists without a standard of morality set beforehand are not necessarily more moral. 🤔
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.... Humans cannot be trusted to make this sheet up as they go. It only leads to catastrophe.

2. We know, and therein lies the problem. An ever-shifting moral compass or source is akin to no morality at all. 🤔

1. Humans cannot be trusted but religion is trusted? Who made religion if not humans?

2. Wars, mass torture and mass murder driven by religion are prolific all through history so what are you on about.

uchennamani:
You quoted millions of people that died in China. I just dey laugh you. Many more have died in senseless religious wars. And you know why this is funny? Atheists are the most religious tolerant people on earth. If you say Christ is the author and finisher of your life, I saw okay. If you say Allah is the only one true god, I say okay.

If you carve an idol out of a wood and say it is your god, I say fine. So, practice your religion in peace. All you should keep in mind is that if your religion is the basis of your morality, omo you no be good person at all

To concur, there is a saying that "with or without religion, good people do good and evil people do evil. But to get a good person to do evil, that takes religion."

LordReed:
There is a better way that doesn't require discrimination.

Of course but can you see what I am trying to drive at. That the metric of wellbeing of humanity can deliver unpleasant conclusions as well. It's just one example out if many possible.

LordReed:
Those kinds of ideology seek to harm others to pave way for another group, that is not a path that fully embraces human wellbeing.

It can be argued for example that eugenics would be in the interest of the long term well being of humanity by eliminating genetic diseases.

LordReed:
The universe is our cold hearted mother, birthed us and doesn't give a damn about what we do or if we survive.

It does seem so. Nonetheless the veil pulled across our reality is so thick that we just don't know our place in the universe. Perhaps the mystery is intended, perhaps we will grow and evolve to know, I have no clue. All options remain open including us and our universe being a cell in the body of a larger being.

I like to choose as a linchpin for morality the idea of human wellbeing. If that sadism is going to impact human wellbeing negatively then I consider it bad.

What then would you say about certain ideas which are said will impact the wellbeing of humanity positively but are cruel. Eugenics for example. And other population reduction strategies of various kinds.

Metrofox:
Yes , with pride

Why?

- Because you prefer Tinubu?

- Because you believe in the rotation principle?

- Because it must be Obi?

LordReed:
Everytime anybody tries to have a discussion with you they come away with the impression of your unreasonableness. LoLz.

Without being nasty, I would say there is a distinct lack of capacity to reason also.

Metrofox:
If the old man doesn't realize it's the turn off the south and he's too old to be running then we'll be happy to dash Tinubu another 4years with third term being the next debate in his rubber stamp national assembly .

Are you one of those who say if Atiku wins the Ticket you would rather vote Tinubu?

Kobojunkie:
1. First of all, I disagree with your claim that morality is necessarily rooted in empathy and rational standards. Rather, morality is instead, as decided upon by the majority or those who wield the most power. Case and point Afgahistan or any of the other Islamic countries out there, where it is lawful for an Islamic to kill a non-believer, while an Islamist who kills a fellow Islamist can face a fine, or be forced to manumit a slave as punishment.🤔

In jurisprudence, we distinguish between law and morals, something you are failing to do here.

LordReed:
That is the unfortunate limitation of the nature of morality, it will always be by individuals attempting to persuade others of the validity of their position even when such positions are harmful to others.

This is helpful; and provides clarity on where you stand.

I would have asked if then it is okay in your view for someone with say a sadistic mindset to attempt to persuade others into his moral views which involve sadism, but I sense that would be a stupid question in light of your obviously decent nature and standards for yourself. But the itch to ask this kind of question is from a wonder as to whether looking at everything coldly and dispassionately, we may say that the universe is unbothered what particular moral values anyone takes.

Who will properly advise this man to run for the House of Reps, Senate or even Governor instead?

seunmsg:
The humanity in me defines my morality and not anything written in some books published over 6000 years ago. If your morality is defined by religion and the usual threat of hell fire, then you have no morality at all. You should do good because it's the right thing for you to do as a human being and not because of any religious code.

Amazing you can be this sensible. Validates my view that we cannot consider a person stupid because we disagree on one subject.

LordReed:
Bro your extract makes it clear it is a matter that resides only in the mind of the individuals involved. There isn't an external source.

But that's exactly what I am saying. And i am further saying that if morality is subjective by that definition, then there is nothing like morality beyond opinion. In short every take is as valid as another, Hitler's take on mass murder as valid as yours.

Patiks:
When I said God, I meant God, the Only One God in the Bible. I don't know of any other because if they are more than one, then they have lost the criteria for being a God. What many attribute godship to are demons.

I'm not confused about God's attributes or capabilities or sovereignty. His attributes and principles in the Bible clearly show that they made to bring world unity and peace.
"Love your neighbour as yourself."
"Do unto others what you want to be done to you "

Anytime, the Biblical God went to war, it was to put wicked nations in their places after several warnings.

Either you have never read the Old Testament or you read a perfumed copy with tinted glasses.

LLMG:
Unfortunately the world hates truth.

Is Trump the Truth, the Way and the Light?

QuinQ:
People like my men below can't think.
Why would a gay person with long term anti-Trump derangement allow himself to be used to stage anything??


Just saw this below online

Persons can be manipulated, deceived and misguided, especially those with mental issues like they say this one has.
Have you ever heard of the term "Manchurian Candidate?"

tishbite41:
He has no organic followership like Obi and Kwankwaso
He'll simply waste the ticket
The South will never support a Fulani irredent who doesn't respect power rotation
Atiku will destroy this coalition
He should have gone to APC!

Interesting. He will not step down though. No one will. I just hope no one leaves because they dont get the ticket. They should only all leave together if the Supreme Court does what it is expected to do to them as the agent and slave of Aso Rock.

Why are all the comments missing the symbolism.

The umbrella represents shelter. The bag represents sustainance (income/ food). Note there are full bags and empty bags and different kinds of bags. Who is holding what and how it is held tells the dynamics in the relationship. Analyze accordingly.

Kingsland24:
Life isn’t about waiting for the storm to pass; it’s about how we walk through the rain together.

I’m currently putting together an article on the 'Reality of Life and Relationships' using this image as a case study. Looking at these four couples, they all face the same rain and carry the same bags, but their dynamics are totally different.

To you, which couple represents true happiness? And more importantly, WHY? Your perspectives will help shape my upcoming piece. Let’s discuss in the comments! 👇

tishbite41:
Tell Atiku to step down
Stop beating about the bush

Why should he be the one to step down?

LabStores:
If Obi and Atiku can't work together, and one giving up his ambition for the other, I don't see how Tinubu won't win again...

The minute they go separately it would mean they are both immature and lack strategy and also failed to learn from the last outing what was blatantly obvious. Namely that they need to unite to win.

If they are silly enough to run separately then neither of them deserve it and in that event no one should blame the frog in the rock. Let us all just settle down to four more years of torture and pain.

adeniyi65:
If I don't want someone to make me feel bad, why should I make others feel bad. It's just rational thinking.

It's the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and it predates Christianity.

LordReed:
Subjective doesn't mean individual that is the problem. Subjective means mind dependent, that is it.

Relative to an individual. Not the way you are using it. You are using it as though one can be referring to mind in an abstract sense away from the individual. The word means mind dependent and that mind is the mind of an individual.

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In logic and philosophy, the term subjective refers to any claim or perception whose truth-value depends on the internal state, perspective, or "subject" of the person making it.

​When you say your symptoms are "meaning subjective," you are highlighting that they exist within your own consciousness rather than as an external, verifiable object.

​1. Subjective vs. Objective in Logic

​Subjective: Dependent on the mind. (e.g., "The food tastes metallic." ) This is a statement about your internal experience.

​Objective: Independent of the mind. (e.g., "The pill is 20mg." ) This remains true regardless of who observes it. . .

raumdeuter:
His? So when he dies they will bury the ballroom with him?

You just keep ridiculing yourself

He was clear. He said up till death. That Trump intends to remain in office till death.

OLAADEGBU:
Good question: https://www.nairaland.com/2988047/donald-trump-like-cyrus-bible#43745409

I did not ask if he is being used by God. I asked if he is a Christian.

GloriousGbola:
Fagin from oliver twist.
the man shaped the morality of all the lost kids under his wing
we have the same thing going on in nigeria today where yahoo schools are teaching children that it is fine to steal from he old, the weak, other children. a human standard where it is acceptable to destroy peoples lives in being set

the same standard was set with boko haram who have now transitioned to amoral bandits who have no qualms about casual acts of evil

In my view these people have stepped out of the natural human standard which resonates in the faculty of conscience.

GloriousGbola:
human beings evolve for better and worse

some societies consider corporal punishment moral, others think it is barbarity
some societies frown on adultery, others are polyamorous
is it immoral for a completely broke and starving person to steal food from a supermarket to feed himself?
is it immoral fro me to deny my employees their salary because of a clause in their contract?

I subscribe more to what I call relative and / or situational morality, and that addresses the scenario of the bold.

Beyond this, I think nature and conscience have a rhythm that set a certain human standard in our collective minds which gives us to know that certain things are objectively evil, such as raping a two year old or murdering your neighbor or punishing an innocent person for a crime they did not commit. If morality were subjective, it would mean that any of these things are perfectly fine so long as the person doing them believes they are fine. That is pure subjectivity. They are fine for him.

And if another person disagrees then the person with superior might will have his way, and that simply amounts to might is right.

GloriousGbola:
a more interesting question is so if the government kills and wipes your family under military law, thee should be no consequences because we are now in a democracy and whatever the govt has done has passed away?

as an example - no pardon or compensation for saro wiwa is necessary?

somoene should have told the germans that when the jews were persecuted under nazi germany not democratic germany

GBAM!!!!

LordReed:
As a matter of value calls yes they can. Which is why moral positions should continually be scrutinised.

Scrutinized with what standards? This betrays the idea that morality is subjective. It concedes that there are standards outside the subjective mind which morality should be scrutinized against.